This is a question I’ve pondered more than once…

Maybe one of the Christians who drops by and throws out quotes before fading back into the night will be kind enough to explain their thinking on this.

Borrowed from God and Son.

9 thoughts on “This is a question I’ve pondered more than once…

  1. Things are not true or untrue in themselves, but because some trusted authority has said they are. They are quoting ultimate authority – the thinking doesn’t go much farther than that.

    I am making this observation as a former Christian, but would love to hear one of the Christian commenters explain.

  2. I think that is pretty much the mentality of many Christians — the Bible is true because it’s the word of God because the Bible says it is. And the Bible couldn’t be lying, because there were all those miracles in the Bible and that proved that it was true, especially since so many other people believe the same thing, and you know your Aunt Mabel or Martin Luther King weren’t _lying_ about it, so it must be true.

    It is, as George says, appeal to authority.

    (Written as a Christian who doesn’t take Scripture as ultimate authority.)

  3. Hi Les,

    As you know, I am what you refer to as a Christian. Though, I do not like the word Christian. As Christian now days refers to any number of fanatics, crooks, scams, etc., who choose to carry a Bible. Also tagged onto the businesses which care to hang a dead fish outside the door to symbolize their faith. All of which prey upon the gullible and weak of our society. Which use the misplaced faith of many to reach their own means.

    Instead of Christian, I prefer to be labeled as ‘one who follows the Word of God’. I carry a Bible much of the time. I am a Minister of the Gospel. I have seen great and wonderful things happen. I have preached to thousands. I simply carry the Word of God and share it with any who choose to hear. I will sit and answer questions to any one who ask. I will not throw out a quote or two and run away. I do not have all the answers.

    When I read the attitudes of many who leave messages on your site, I do not throw Holy water on the computer and run off screaming blasphemy. You and your contributors are to have their own opinions and the freedom to speak them. In fact I do enjoy your site and the response to ideas and problems quoted therein.

    As for your cartoon picture.

    Long before I chose The Word of God, I looked deeply into many of the major and minor beliefs. I made my choice.

    Your cartoon should be in hanging on the pulpit of all churches of all faiths. So the very many who think they are, or want to be Christians. Should look upon it and ponder very deeply in their souls before making any decision. The cartoon is not insulting except to the weak of faith and heart. It is however very thought provoking to anyone of any religion who is faith driven.

    Thanks for the cartoon.

    You made me stop and think about it.

    James

  4. Well, the cartoon could just as well criticize Muslims for that absolutist mentality. Most religious groups believe that their scriptures are manifestly true; Christians are not alone in that regard.
    St. Augustine claimed that he opened up the Bible and pulled out a verse at random, and that it converted him. I suppose Christians hope that if they recite enough out of context verses to non-believers that one might stick. And that probably is the best method; reading the Bible in context is a path towards disbelief.

  5. Instead of Christian, I prefer to be labeled as ‘one who follows the Word of God’. I carry a Bible much of the time.

    James,

    I had been a church goer and had read parts of the Bible until back almost 50 years ago when, while studying biology and delving into evolution I decided that I should read Darwin’s Origin of Species, and wound up in the nonbeliever camp. A reading of Julian Huxley’s Religion without Revelation, with its message that one was better off spending Sunday’s reading a good book than going to church, was sort of the final nail in the coffin. In February of this year, however, I purchased a copy of the KJV Bible for my Kindle and finally have started slogging through it. In the middle of Leviticus, isolated among all the bleakness, I found the words I had often heard in church: “The Lord bless thee and keep thee: The Lord make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee: The Lord lift up his countenance upon the, and give thee peace.” This seems in stark contrast to much of what God had, to that point, said to Moses, much of which was not just unsavory; it was downright evil. Would the followers of those evil words be “one who follows the Word of God?”

  6. Just reading your blog for the first time. A freind shared a comparison of Jesus and Horus, and your blog helped me refute it. Thanks! As a Christian, believing that the bible is completely true and from the one and only God, perhaps we hope that when someone else hears a scripture, they may grasp that truth. Either there is a God or there isnt’. Either Jesus is also God, or he isn’t. Only one of each of those views can be true. God created the world because He is and has love and wants to share it. He needed to allow us each to have a free will to choose to accept Him-if we had no choice we would be worse than robots. It is because all people have free will that there is pain and suffering in the world. Though God often seems harsh in the old testament, he knew the hearts of those people, and knew if they would eventually turn to him or not. If you think about it, allowing places like sodom and gomorra to continue unchecked, how much more murder and corruption would probably have taken place concerning all the people living since then. Perhaps no one should have fought against Hitler and his army either.
    I’ve looked at the afterlife beliefs of many religions. Aside from the idea of no heaven, it seems that in most others we all get to “heaven”. Only in Christianity does each person need to choose to accept the free gift from God, regardless of how good or bad we behave. For if we die, and there is no God, what we believe now won’t really matter. If we die, and there is a God who asks if we’ve accepted his son Jesus as our savior and lord, then what? for Jesus died to offer salvation for every single person. It’s up to us to receive it.

  7. it really isn’t much of a choice is it? believe or burn? and these matterless beliefs have had very real negative consequences for many many people.

    My Father fought the Nazis. His atheism was partly due to his guarding German people before he was to gut them. He discovered many attended Catholic Church regularly just like him, or were just as devout Lutherans. All worshiping the same all powerful, all knowing all loving God.

    Gott mit uns.

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