NLM interviews Tea Party Protesters at the final healthcare reform protest.

The guys from New Left Media are at it again exposing the Tea Party Protesters for the ignorant, clueless dolts they really are:

It never ceases to amaze me how many people can be so willing to work against their own self-interests because FOX “News” told them to. These people have nothing but Republican talking-points to spew out in response to the questions being asked. None of them has put any thought into it beyond what they’ve been told by Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh. None of them has made the effort to find out what the bill really has in it on their own. They freely admit that they watch FOX because it reinforces what they believe already. They’re protesting something they have only misinformation about.

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32 thoughts on “NLM interviews Tea Party Protesters at the final healthcare reform protest.

  1. Wait, wait. Did something happen? I thought Obama’s health care bill was stupid anyways. Is there a new, better one?

    I am clearly missing something.

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  3. I find videos like this quite difficult to watch. The *reality* of it is too painful.

  4. LegacyABQ: I agree. I turned it off right away.

    But then, about six years ago this June, I went to see Farenheit 911 as part of a vacation and birthday visit. I must have been the only person in the theater who never laughed once.

    I suppose one could accuse me of being entirely too serious about this sort of thing. Frankly, I find it all very disturbing.

  5. It is really amazing to me that people work so hard against their own interests. I just can’t understand. My only explanation is the one Bill Maher gives (yes a Bill Maher quote, but when it comes to politics he is usually on the money), “Americans are stupid.”

  6. I watch this and all I can think of is that old Farside cartoon, the classroom full of apemen and the teacher saying, “…not all you will be evolving to the next grade…” Seriously, man, what the fuck is wrong with these people?

  7. People don’t act in their best interests. In point of fact, most people never even stop to evaluate what their best interests are. Most of the underpinnings of Smith/Laisse-Faire capitalism are just plain wrong. Not that the conservatives will ever believe that.

  8. ..Smith was actually fairly mild compared to the modern iterations of laissez-faire as espoused by the Milton Friedmans and the Reagans of the world..

    There is no doubt Smith made important observations, particularly in regards to opportunity-costs; but capitalists treat it as a religious text, infallible and divinely-inspired!

    LOL

  9. I have trouble with Left-leaning media making fun of Tea Partiers for a couple of reasons: #1) BOTH sides have idiots because MOST Americans are unintelligent and uninformed. I’ve also seen a video of a dude who went around asking black people what they felt about Obama’s policies, but the policies he was mentioning were actually the Republicans’ policies, and these people would wholeheartedly agree with the policies the interviewer mentioned simply because he mentioned they were Obama’s. #2) The Tea Party movement was hijacked by the Republicans and Fox News – Tea Partiers are Constitutionalists, but the Republicans and Fox are mainly neo-cons who could give 2 pieces of crap about the constitution. Also, once Fox got involved that brought out all of the TV-hypnotized whack jobs that watch and worship them.

    We would all be better served if we stopped believing in the left-right paradigm. This construct of the mind only serves to divide us while the leaders of both the left and right of many countries rip-up our constitutions and bills of right, leaving its citizens with less and less freedom. We also would all be better served if we stopped watching television. We should be seeking information for ourselves and which truly interests us rather than eating up whatever crap is being spoon-fed to us through the television.

  10. You are so right. The conservatives are completely wrong and they are all retarded. They have no valid points and all liberal points are completely valid, there for this country should be a one party country where other views are stamped out for being stupid. Congratulations, you’ve solved all of our problems.

  11. I don’t think it is right to judge all of these people based on the words of less than a dozen individuals. The group conducting the interviews is called “New Left Media” and apparently they are attempting to prove that these protesters are “ignorant, clueless dolts.” I would not be surprised if they had just taken the absolute worst replies they had gotten and made the video out of that. This is an unfair representation.

  12. I love how you guys think that only the right acts like this. Let’s not forget how many libs signed the petition to bad dihydrogen monoxide.

    I’m also sure you’re the first to complain and call things “anecdotal” if a right leaning person were to do this very thing.

    Nah, you wouldn’t do that.

  13. Commentator writes…

    I have trouble with Left-leaning media making fun of Tea Partiers for a couple of reasons:

    New Left Media wasn’t making fun of the Tea Baggers. There is no mocking being done in the video clip above. No one uses a sarcastic tone and the questions are all perfectly reasonable ones to ask. If you’re going to go to the trouble to protest something with a rally it’s not at all unreasonable to expect that you know what it is you’re protesting against.

    #1) BOTH sides have idiots because MOST Americans are unintelligent and uninformed.

    No one here has ever claimed that it was otherwise. You’re not telling us anything we don’t already know.

    #2) The Tea Party movement was hijacked by the Republicans and Fox News – Tea Partiers are Constitutionalists,

    Just out of curiosity, can you define for me what exactly a “Constitutionalist” is?

    but the Republicans and Fox are mainly neo-cons who could give 2 pieces of crap about the constitution. Also, once Fox got involved that brought out all of the TV-hypnotized whack jobs that watch and worship them.

    It my experience the Tea Baggers and the TV-hypnotized FOX News fans are one and the same.

    We would all be better served if we stopped believing in the left-right paradigm. This construct of the mind only serves to divide us while the leaders of both the left and right of many countries rip-up our constitutions and bills of right, leaving its citizens with less and less freedom.

    What do you propose as an alternative to the Left-Right paradigm? I hold beliefs that are clearly different than the average Conservative’s. If we abandon the whole left-right concept then how do you differentiate my beliefs from theirs? If you substitute some other label for Left-Right then what have you really changed?

    Jason writes…

    You are so right. The conservatives are completely wrong and they are all retarded. They have no valid points and all liberal points are completely valid, there for this country should be a one party country where other views are stamped out for being stupid. Congratulations, you’ve solved all of our problems.

    Yes, that’s exactly what I said. Except that I’ve never made any such claims. If you’ve got nothing constructive to add to the conversation then may I humbly suggest you shut the fuck up. Trolling isn’t going to convince us you’re witty.

    Evil Todd writes…

    I love how you guys think that only the right acts like this. Let’s not forget how many libs signed the petition to bad dihydrogen monoxide.

    I’d love for you to point out to me where I’ve ever claimed that only the Right acts like this. I’d be the last to say that the Right has a lock on ignorance and I wrote about the Penn and Teller stunt you mention some three years ago.

    I’m also sure you’re the first to complain and call things “anecdotal” if a right leaning person were to do this very thing.

    Nah, you wouldn’t do that.

    Except that I don’t do that, which you’d know if you’d taken the time to read more than just this entry. But why take the time to actually learn something about the issue, or the person, you’re addressing when making quick assumptions is so much easier?

  14. Why, Pacific, have you put “ignorant, clueless dolts” in qoutes? NLM didn’t say that, Les did..

    An interview is an interview. The answers are candid, and on film.. What you see here is raw data; the horse’s mouth as it were..

    Don’t like it? Well, better stay a moderate eh?

  15. I don’t really see what the big debate is surrounding the “Tea” Party, they’re essentially libertarian. Other than the fact that most of these people involved in these movements are not very well informed, extremes are needed in our political system, and that’s what we’ve been missing.

  16. I think the main reason why I don’t like these Tea Baggers is because… well… they are unfathomable hypocrites. Where was this passion when Bush was wrecking the country? They did not care about debt or government spending then. They did not care about bailouts then. They did not care about big government or abuse of the Constitution then either. Only now, when Obama is trying to fix our bad economy, do they notice these things.
    This movement did apparently exist when Bush was president, but they were far, far smaller and had much less exposure. I guess the racists and the Republican lobbyists really help fill out the ranks. We already know that Fox News can make something out of nothing faster than anyone else.
    The other thing that I do not like about them is… their name. The actual Boston Tea Party, of course, was about a few things. For one, it was about taxation without representation. Taxation? Taxes have gone down for almost all Americans, except for the rich. Representation? Obama won by more than eight million votes. The other thing that it was about was protest to tax exemptions for East India Company tea. Modern Tea Baggers, led by their Republican overlords, want tax exemptions and deregulation for corporations; let those corporations do what they want. Screw the little guy.
    They abuse the imagery of the American Revolution, so I do not like them. These supposedly patriotic Americans would have been complete shills for the British, and would have been personally selling British tea. They love being exploited. Health care reform that prevents insurance companies from turning people down for pre-existing conditions? Screw that too.

  17. When you edit together this stuff, you can make anyone look stupid. The part of the story I like, is that the CBO just came out and said 21 million people will still be uninsured, 4 million will pay the fine vs. getting insurance, and that they will wait to get insurance until they are sick (because of the provisions that state pre-existing conditions must still be covered). What was the actual stated objective of this “health care/health insurance/ whatever you want to call it” in the first place? Reduce costs? insure everyone? both will not happen.

    What was the unstated objective? In my opinion, it was to inch our way to single payer health care. (ie socialized medicine). Obama said so himself on the campaign trail.

    And for everyone who asks “where was all this passion the last 8 years when bush blah blah blah” – it was always here…anyone notice the last election when the republicans were tossed out? There was plenty of opposition on both sides to the patriot act. there were many people who hated that bush was pushing religion harder than others…the passion was there…

  18. “What was the unstated objective? In my opinion, it was to inch our way to single payer health care. (ie socialized medicine).” Sounds good to me.
    Of course the bill is flawed. They had to water it down to try to appease Republicans and conservative Democrats who do not want any reform at all.
    And yes, I noticed the last election. Unfortunate that it took eight years for some (by no means all) Republicans to realize how much their party had damaged the nation. Of course, far from repudiating Bush, you also had Republicans who did not vote because they thought McCain too moderate, somehow, and I am guessing that many of those people are in the Pee Party movement as well. At any rate, it is amusing to see some on the right repudiate Bush now that he is gone. Yet they elected and re-elected him. The “passion” to get rid of Bush sure wasn’t there when he was scaring these idiots with the terrorism and gay marriage boogie men. The passion was only there after Bush had already wrecked the country. Great, thanks for finally waking up, now that it is too late.
    I do not know or care about your own personal history in this regard, but this is surely true of the majority of these Tea Bagger clowns.
    As for “socialized medicine,” I sure hope that you have never attended a public school or visited a public library or a public post office or called a fire or police department. “Get your government hands of my medicare, Commie.”

  19. to be honest, I did go to a public school and have been to a public library. But I have also gone to a private college and Barnes and Noble.

    Who is to say that the best option is the public school/library?

    Get your government out of most everything, get out of the medicare/medicaid business, get out of social security, and get out of peoples personal lives in general (telling me what foods I am allowed to eat? Telling me who I can marry).

    The Boston Tea party was against taxation without representation…you are correct. The current tea party is about the same. These people are NOT being represented. The left wants to tax you for social justice, and the right wants to tax you for “illegal bush war blah blah blah” and corporate welfare, etc. Both sides spend the shit out of my money. neither side is as fiscally responsible as they should be. Yes most of the people lean republican, but that is a product of Reagan (true fiscal conservative) who was a replublican. Those Republicans left a long time ago.

  20. Jason

    Well, private schools / healthcare / whatever you like are fine if everyone in the population is rich and lucky. In the libertarian wet dream of a laissez-faire society the poor get tramped on to a much greater degree than now by the rich.

    As for healthcare, well, economically it simply makes sense. The UK spends 8% of GDP on healthcare, the US 16%, yet overall the UK system’s outputs are higher – the average life expectancy is longer, the childhood mortality rates are lower. So, for half the money you can get the same or better, if you don’t have share-holders profits to consider. Socialised medicine, in the best of all possible worlds, is medically treating people because it is the right thing to do, rather than based on economic viability.

    I agree that the government shouldn’t tell you who you can marry, but I disagree that the government should be policing food, for the simple reason that if they don’t, people die.

    Libertarianism is just stupid stupid stupid on so many levels.

  21. Reagan was a true fiscal conservative? You realize that taxes were higher during Reagan’s presidency than Obama’s right? Reagan dropped the taxes on the wealthy by nearly 50% and increased socialist policies like Medicare and Social Security. Unemployment wasn’t much better than it is now. Oh, and Reagan era deregulation? Hey, that’s a big part of why we’re where we’re at right now.

    Where were the armed gangs of protesters rallying against Reaganomics?

    I don’t think Reagan was some sort of villain, but neither was he some sort of saint. The Right has put the old man up on a pedestal of selective memory for so long that they’ve forgotten important bits about the man’s presidency. Functional governments ignore libertarians and true communists for the same reasons, both are fundamentally retarded by being concepts that won’t function in the real world.

  22. So you went to public school and have visited a public library. Why are you not then a massive hypocrite?
    Government is not always the best alternative, true, but if you are living in poverty it might be yor only alternative.
    Overlord and Mook beat me to a lot of things here, full credit to them, but let me just further illustrate their point. Reagan tripled the national debt. He raised taxes several times. Unemployment was very high in his first couple of years, as it has been for Obama. Reagan bailed out social security. Reagan also gave amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants; I cannot imagine what the Republican/Conservative/Crack Party response would be if Obama did such a thing. Conservatives have extreme tunnel vision about Reagan. Don’t believe the hype.
    And I will have to reiterate my point about taxation with representation. Obama has every right to raise your taxes; he won. If the nation decides that his policies are not acceptable, then they can remove him from office in 2012. But, fear not, your taxes are already down. So drop it, and stop listening to Fox News.

  23. Positive is right. These people had the right to vote, and thus were represented. The fact that their ideas lost does not mean that they did not have the right to express those ideas. Representation does not mean that we do everything you want.

  24. Jason, I hope I read you right. If I did, then yes Les, you are an idiot. If I read it wrong, both of you are idiots. It seemed to me that Jason was mocking the video and you, Les. Anybody who thinks that an entire party is made up of idiots, is himself an idiot. What is a Constitutionalist you ask? Well it would seem to me that is fairly self-explanatory. I am troubled you have to ask that question. Also you are an idiot if you think that the people interviewed in the video are the only people the guy interviewed. This was a piece that had its message before they filmed anything.

    I myself think that this health care idea is a bad one. And when I say health care I don’t necessarily mean the bill, there are some good things in there. What I mean is the idea that people are entitled to health care so instead of making it more affordable, we’ll just give it to everybody. Either make it cheaper or better educate the people so that they can get better jobs. And better education does not mean send more people to college. Half of the degrees in college do nothing for you unless you pursue a career in academia. What we need is more people in trade schools.

    Now, the reason I can’t get behind this bill, well, it’s over a thousand pages long, I don’t have the time to read that, and the people who’s job is to read it don’t. Its like the terms of service, nobody reads it because they are told something good will happen if they approve it.

    That whole thing about quick assumptions, yeah read that again then re-respond to Commentator’s um, comment.

    What I have trouble understanding is the crusade against corporations and big SUCCESSFUL businesses. Oil companies making lots of profit, sounds like success to me. Maybe that’s the point of owning a business. iPad starts at $499, parts cost $260, nearly 50%, why is that not a problem?

    And, some fun facts speaking to the ignorance of Americans: Boston Tea Party was more of response from a build up of tension, the Tea Act that “broke the dam” actually made tea cheaper, by making tea from the British East India Company cheaper…you can draw a few parallels there. Also, Lincoln was racist.

    And congratulations to Obama, won by a landslide with 2.6% more than the next guy, its too bad everybody thinks he’s so awesome. Next to Congress, the president has very little power, especially when congress dominated by the president’s party.

  25. Some more fun facts for the ignorant; Obama beat the “next guy” by 7.2%. The margin of the popular vote is irrelevant and in fact a candidate can lose the popular vote and still win the presidency, as you might have learned ten years ago. The margin is not quite the point, though the 2008 election was technically the largest landslide in the popular vote since 1984, Obama winning by almost ten (not eight, correct my above post) million votes; no one has won by more than 10 million since Reagan. Obama’s victory was noted in order to highlight why it is that the Tea Baggers should not be whining about representation- they have it-and for most of them their taxes are indeed down. I already addressed the Tea Act and the East India Company.

    As for the claim that the President of the United States, the most powerful man in the world, has very little power, well, reading it as is, it is too much of a doozie to bother fact checking; perhaps your point is that the President should not be so powerful, that he is not granted wide powers by the Constitution, but the small government people lost that battle long ago. If conservatives do want to fight that battle of limiting presidential power, they can start by calling for Bush’s prosecution.

    People do not die because they could not afford an IPad, and do not need an IPad to get to work every day. The oil companies are doing quite well, if there is a Crusade against them it has done about as well as the Second Crusade. But they are in no need of tax cuts. On a related note, since conservatives seem to believe that any hint of regulation is a sign of an evil Crusade; the off-shore drilling people might also need a bit of regulating, considering the recent disaster that may surpass the Exxon-Valdez. We could, of course, move away from oil which would be beneficial to our nation and to the environment, but we don’t have time for long term solutions. Bring on that global warming.

    The rest of your post is fair, I suppose, except for calling Les an idiot, which is an idiotic statement.

  26. I only call Les an idiot because of the stated comments, although hypocrite may have been the better descriptor, I was already kind of pissed off last night from the video. As for the 7.2% thing, that’s in people who actually voted, my figure came from the total population of the country. I guess in my haste of annoyance I didn’t really think that through (according to the best numbers I could find, 25% of Americans aren’t old enough to vote, and best means most precise not lowest, so he won by 10% of the voting population), for the prior reason. But my point is that 8 million people is not a huge number, just like 30 million is not huge, not next to the total population (another reason I don’t like the current health care bill).

    The reason I bring up the Apple thing is more of a point of argument than anything else. I do not think that anything should be done there. As for oil, 2.07 out of a 3.00 gallon of gas goes to the companies (that’s gross). That, to me, is not a ridiculously huge amount, especially considering it is before costs. I just do not understand this push against big successful business. People who hate insurance companies for not giving insurance to people with pre-existing conditions, think about that one for a minute. Why did the insurance people start/get into an insurance company? It sure as hell wasn’t to get into helping people get health insurance easier. They go into it to make money. Turning people away who are going to cost a lot to cover, well that just makes business sense. These people are who the bill should cover, not the people who are too lazy to get a good job to pay for it. And before people start getting mad at me for that, I am not claiming that 20 out of the 30 are these people. It’s probably closer to 20,000 of the 30 mil, but come on, you all went to high school, and if you went to a public school, you would probably agree with me.

    The problem with moving away from oil, btw, is that there is still nothing that could really replace it in the next 10-20 years. Sure, solar, wind, H, yeah those are all great but far from implementation. And I hate to hear the term global warming or climate change, not because I deny them, but because the same arguments and the same responses are thrown out every time it is mentioned. That is the definition of stupidity.

    Anyway, I just have a natural distrust for national media types. My dad watches Fox more than I’d like (and contrary to popular opinion, is not a drooling, idiotic Fox drone most on the liberal side would make you believe). My dad, unlike most national news-watchers, crosschecks almost everything that he sees. I wish more people were like that, on both sides. People hang on Obama’s every word just like they hang on Jobs’. You have to be a bit distrusting of everyone, especially those you agree with. Almost every word spoken in the political sphere is calculated. That’s just what politics is.

  27. A6M4, you’re right that the video alone isn’t enough to generalize about the intelligence level of the Tea Baggers. Your mistake is in assuming that’s all I used to generalize with. There are a number of polls out there that show the majority of Tea Baggers are, in fact, clueless dipshits who take their marching orders from Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity, among other nutcases. Your contribution to this conversation just cinches the conclusion even further.

    For example, you’re making a lot of hay out of how much Obama won the election by as though it has some bearing on whether or not he should enact various legislation. All the while conveniently forgetting that George W. Bush lost his first election and still got to be President and yet he went on to enact all sorts of legislation that his opponents didn’t care for. That’s the great thing about becoming the President. You get to enact laws the opposition doesn’t like.

    I’m recovering from knee surgery at the moment so don’t let it bruise your ego too much that I’m just going to ignore the rest of your comments as the nonsense they appear to be for now. Perhaps later if I get bored I’ll give them another look, but I’ve got better things to do at the moment.

  28. Just a quick note, Les. Are you insinuating that I am 1) a Tea Bagger and 2) watch Beck or Hannity? Like I said in my previous post, I do not watch those guys, I don’t watch any “guys”. The only bit of these guys I get is between innings or during tv time outs while watching a game with my dad. They all annoy the hell out of me.

    Also, I didn’t bring up the election, I noted that winning by 8 million votes is not by any means a large victory. Whoever brought it up was trying to make a connection between Tea Baggers and the Boston Tea Party. Also, losing the popular vote is not losing the election, losing the election is losing in electoral votes. You know the very reason for the electoral college is because most people are idiots. Bush lost the popular vote by 500k, a whopping 2.6% of NY state in 2000. Not a significantly large number. But no, I am not defending him, I really didn’t like what he did in his 8, but he also beat Kerry by a good margin, electorally in ’04. I still can’t seem to figure out why people keep saying Bush lost in ’00. He won, not by a large margin, but he had more electorals than Gore, which is one of those requisites to winning a presidential election.

    But here’s a final thought, why so confrontational? I will agree I was a bit so in my first, but I hoped you would have noted my reasons for being so (which runs into my reason for not watching national “news” channels). It would seem to me, having noticed stuff like this quite a bit lately, that there are two kinds of people, people that identify with issues and people that identify with parties. I myself look at issues, what people say rather who says it. If I hear something stupid, like the problem in Arizona lately (why is that an issue by the way), I say, “Oh my, is that stupid.”

    Oh yeah, hope your knee gets better so that you can actually rebut a few of my arguments rather than accuse me of things I have already denied! (^_~)

  29. Now, I might seem a bit childish saying this because it’s simple and concise. . .but, I thought higher taxes were a good thing. In a government like our higher taxes usually mean we have the money to be able to pay higher taxes. If I remember correctly, I may be wrong, but the lowest taxes have ever been were during the depression periods. When we could barely make ends meat let alone support our government. We call for lower taxes, yet in truth, it should be the opposite of what we want right?

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