Nine year investigation of Ireland’s Catholic reform schools reveals Hell on Earth.

It’s taken nine years and the final 2,600 page report goes into detail on the systematic abuse and rape of children living in reform schools run by the Catholic church in Ireland:

Catholic Church shamed by Irish abuse report – Yahoo! News

Wednesday’s five-volume report on the probe — which was resisted by Catholic religious orders — concluded that church officials shielded their orders’ pedophiles from arrest amid a culture of self-serving secrecy.

“A climate of fear, created by pervasive, excessive and arbitrary punishment, permeated most of the institutions and all those run for boys. Children lived with the daily terror of not knowing where the next beating was coming from,” Ireland’s Commission to Inquire Into Child Abuse concluded.

Victims of the abuse, who are now in their 50s to 80s, lobbied long and hard for an official investigation. They say that for all its incredible detail, the report doesn’t nail down what really matters — the names of their abusers.

“I do genuinely believe that it would have been a further step towards our healing if our abusers had been named and shamed,” said Christine Buckley, 62, who spent the first 18 years of her life in a Dublin orphanage where children were forced to manufacture rosaries — and were humiliated, beaten and raped whether they achieved their quota or not.

The Catholic religious orders that ran more than 50 workhouse-style reform schools from the late 19th century until the mid-1990s offered public words of apology, shame and regret Wednesday. But when questioned, their leaders indicated they would continue to protect the identities of clergy accused of abuse — men and women who were never reported to police, and were instead permitted to change jobs and keep harming children.

The Christian Brothers, which ran several boys’ institutions deemed to have harbored serial child molesters and sadists on their staff, insisted it had cooperated fully with the probe. The order successfully sued the commission in 2004 to keep the identities of all of its members, dead or alive, unnamed in the report. No real names, whether of victims or perpetrators, appear in the final document.

It’s outrageous enough that the abuse took place for multiple decades in an institution that likes to claim itself as a moral authority, that the Vatican itself knew of the problem, and that the church as a whole covered up the crimes without ever removing the people involved in them from their positions, but to then publicly admit that you’re going to continue to protect the guilty from being revealed?!

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: How anyone can continue to be a Catholic after these revelations is just beyond my understanding. At the very least you should be at the Vatican with pitchforks and torches demanding to know how this was allowed to happen for so long and who’s going to be held accountable for their actions. There’s a lot to account for such as:

The report found that molestation and rape were “endemic” in boys’ facilities, chiefly run by the Christian Brothers order, and supervisors pursued policies that increased the danger. Girls supervised by orders of nuns, chiefly the Sisters of Mercy, suffered much less sexual abuse but frequent assaults and humiliation designed to make them feel worthless.

“In some schools a high level of ritualized beating was routine. … Girls were struck with implements designed to maximize pain and were struck on all parts of the body,” the report said. “Personal and family denigration was widespread.”

I haven’t even tried to read the report itself because the news summaries are already pretty upsetting. It gets worse, though, there’s a second report due at the end of June:

A second damning report, due to be published by the end of June, will detail the abuse of hundreds of children in the Dublin archdiocese from 1940 onwards. More than 100 priests are facing allegations and 400 people have been identified as victims.

For the moment it doesn’t appear that anyone involved in the abuse over the years will so much as be named, let alone prosecuted, and the Irish government has now called upon the Vatican to continue the investigation further. How likely do you think that is? I’m not holding my breath in anticipation.

52 thoughts on “Nine year investigation of Ireland’s Catholic reform schools reveals Hell on Earth.

  1. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: How anyone can continue to be a Catholic after these revelations is just beyond my understanding.

    Me too!  Yet millions do.  And they are mostly good people.  The power of brainwashing?  Where is the outrage?

  2. Well, first the outrage is kind of pointless in a totalitarian dictatorship.  Nobody votes for the Pope.  The only outrage is from us secular forces.  We vile atheists without good moral direction and guidance.

    How about the similar atrocities where aboriginal populations live?  Where any “half-breed” child was simply yanked from family to a Catholic indoctrination factory/school to be returned totally changed, beaten and brainwashed.

    Excuse me while I go pound my head against the pavement.

  3. This type of thing is typical of anyone trying to wrest control of something.  It was imperative that they let these children go through these atrocities so they could keep them feeling worthless and therefore more apt to turn to God for their salvation or help and therefore keeping them in the faith. 

    It is a common tactic used by abusive spouses to keep their wives in line as well…making them feel they have no choice but to believe what he says which is why so many women end up staying with there abusers.

    It is a form of torture for control.  Also, if the Church took action against the abusers then the church becomes fallible and unbelievable…and we all know that “can’t happen”. 

    After all, the Bible does say suffer the little children.

  4. I forgot to mention as well that they were probably told over and over that suffering was good for the soul…

  5. It would be interesting for this to be made a big enough deal over here in the states to deport Irish priests who’ve relocated, or to open investigations on their conduct over here. I can’t believe there are none.

  6. Perhaps outrage should be expressed in random killing of Catholic Priests until the guilty are named? I mean really, if they are hiding the identities of the guilty, then they are just as guilty as if they have done it themselves. Or perhaps they are hiding it because they all are guilty in the first place?

  7. I’m a big believer in the idea that two wrongs don’t make a right (though three rights do make a left). As upsetting as this is I don’t see how killing random priests helps in any way. Let’s not let our emotions get the better of us.

  8. No emotion here, just cold harsh logic.

    I am a believer that the social contract we call “rights” only protect those to live up to and abide to the contract. As soon as someone willfully violates the rights of another they place themselves outside of civilization and into the wild and the laws of the jungle and deserve no protection under the contract. And like any other wild beast we come across that attack humans, we should put them down as a measure of self defense.

    Rights either mean something, or they don’t. And they don’t mean squat if we are not allowed to defend our rights.

    To approach the social contract of rights any other way leaves us in the world as it exists today, where people in positions of authority can do whatever they want to innocent people and get away with it.

    Removing predators from our communities is not a wrong, it is a right. Killing in self-defense is not the same as murder.

    Now, perhaps killing random priests is going too far (most likely), perhaps we just need to convince the victims to step forward and start naming their abusers. (Even though it’s probably most likely the ones in this report are probably dead by now if the victims are in their 60’s).

    There is also a good body of evidence that most abusers are in fact survivors of abuse themselves. Which is why it’s even more important to find and prosecute these predators whenever we can, to help stop the cycle of abuse.

  9. From another post, our “reward” in heaven is to become SERVANTS of “God.” Forever and ever, amen. Looks to me like they are just preparing us for the hereafter.  tongue wink cheese
    Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. No surprise.

  10. I’m not sure I understand.

      These acts were/are crimes; nasty ones at that.

    How is it that these people are not tried in court?

      On what legal principle are they protected?

    How does it matter that they are the clergy?

    Is the church a seperate legal entity with a nation-state sovereigneity, where this would be like like trying to convict someone living in a foreign country with no extradition agreement?  No, I dont think so.
    “Regular”child molesters are branded for life and you can look them up on the internet to see where they live, since they must register.

    How is it possible that they can get away with this, simply because they are christians??

  11. legacy: Read the report. The excuse given is that not all of the perpetrators have been “proven” guilty. Yet no “proof” is given that their God exists nor that the “clergy” privilege has any basis in reason or facts. Go figure!  angry

  12. They need to start finding the bodies of priests all over Ireland. That would be JUSTICE!

  13. Ireland might still have blanket immunity from compulsion to provide evidence for clergy. All they have to do is hide behind the notion that it was all revealed in confession and they’re legally covering for each other.

    And no, killing random people, even priests, is never just or practical in a civilized society. That’s the sort of nonsense that leads to militants rising up and blowing up buses full of schoolchildren in retaliation. It would make just as much sense to execute Ireland as to selectively execute random Irish priests.

  14. And no, killing random people, even priests, is never just or practical in a civilized society.

    Party Pooper!  tongue wink

  15. MisterMook:

    And no, killing random people, even priests, is never just or practical in a civilized society.

    No no no no…see you are totally missing the point, no one was talking about killing random people. (And by “people” I mean folk who actual adhere to the doctrine of rights and respect the social contract they entail.)

    See, I think you are confused because they look like “people”, but they are not, they are monsters, and need to be dispatched as the monsters they are. Now perhaps not all priests engage in the monstrous acts of child abuse and molestation, but those who stand by and allow those who do get away with their behavior are guilty of being just as monstrous.

    I think another part of the problem is the bleeding heart liberalism that equates self-defense with violence just because they may both result in damage or death. These monsters do not have the right (even though they have the might) to violate these children. Civilized Society has every right to defend those children from such monsters. And if the legal system is so entrenched in the church’s pockets and allows them to continue their violence against the children, then civilized people have the right to take matters into their own hands, which is where the power and the right originates from in the first place.

    So:
    1) Stop equating monsters who do not abide by the social contract of rights with people who do.
    2) Stop equating self-defense with violence.
    and finally
    3) There are too many humans on this planet anyway, mainly due to the churches “go forth and multiply because every sperm is sacred” mentality. so removing them will also help preserve the planet for more rational future people.

    ;o)

  16. No no no no…see you are totally missing the point, no one was talking about killing random people.

    Whatever.

    Effectively what you’re advocating is terrorism. I don’t care how you rationalize it, but you say that sort of shit and you’re no better than a monster yourself.

  17. Multiple choice response time:
    ___A) Quote someone, you don’t know who said it and don’t really care enough to research the matter: “One man’s terrorist, is another man’s hero.”

    ___B) Own up to it: Yes I advocate terrorism against monsters, no ifs ands or buts about it. And if that makes me a monster, well I am but a product of the environment they created. (Boy, I’m feeling a bit like “V” tonight. “Remember, remember, the fifth of November…”)

    ___C) Protest and whine about how I go through all this effort to present an argument only to have it dismissed by no counter-argument and name-calling. I am so hurt—Not!

    _√_D) All of the Above.

  18. I’m not advocating killing random people….. I’m advocating killing random Katholic REPTILIAN, insectivorous Priests, who now have no fear at all of retribution, becuase they can hide behind the shirts of the POOP! who continues to shuffle them around to escape prosecution by the law! And, to put the fear of ‘Ghourd’ into them! Also, to let them know that their dispicable behavior will no longer be tolerated!  Or they may end up DEAD!

  19. “One man’s terrorist, is another man’s hero.”

    Maybe it was Osama Bin Laden after his students heroically killed thousands of Americans for the crime of protecting Israel.

    You just keep on rationalizing that killing innocent people within an organization is an effective means of transforming the politics of that organization. You’re nothing more a few short steps away from being the exact sort of garbage you claim to be opposed to. You’re a symptom, not the cure.

  20. Again, I don’t think to wrongs make a right. The random approach is not a just approach and not every crime is deserving of death. What I’d like to see is the Irish government grow a pair of balls and start naming names and prosecuting the hell out of everyone involved and those who covered it up.

    Vigilante justice of the sort being advocated here, and I’m aware some of you have your tongue planted in your cheek, only works in comic books and cheesy movies.

  21. Again, no one was talking about killing innocent people.

    And still you resorts to childish name calling instead of offering up a counter-argument to persuade me or anyone else that another course of action would be better or more effective?

    You quote Option A, conclude Option B, and ignored Option C.

    Oh, and I think that rule when someone brings up Hitler or Nazi in an argument means they lose probably applies to bringing up Osama Bin Laden as well.

    Bored now.

  22. Les:

    What I’d like to see is the Irish government grow a pair of balls and start naming names and prosecuting the hell out of everyone involved and those who covered it up.

    That would be the ideal response, but what happens when such a response continues to never happen? At some point the issue will either come to a boil and the people will rise up or be totally beaten down into submission.

    Vigilante justice of the sort being advocated here, and I’m aware some of you have your tongue planted in your cheek, only works in comic books and cheesy movies.

    *touches finger to nose* At least someone sees the humor. :o)

  23. To Logan Quinn:………… You’re Dreaming! RIGHT? In Ireland the Government is a BRANCH of the FUCKING Church! THE CHURCH CONTROLS THE COUNTRY! It’s up to the people, those raped & abused, male & female, their families, and everyone else affected by this HUGE TRAVESTRY against children, who, the fucking church was given the job, by that same gov’t to serve and protect, and raise those very same children. To trust the Government to carry out their duty to prosecute these PEDOPHILES, is like giving the fox the keys to the Hen House, and then not expecting the Fox to have a feast! The people need to take up the punishment of these, endemic & institutional KATHOLICKASS Pedophiles…. , or should I call them REPTILES & child abusers. Who “IN THE END” no ‘bunn’ intended, will be protected by their FUCKING NAZI ‘Poop’, even if he has to move them to an Island, somewhere away from all other people. to try to avoid the punishment they so Richly deserve! The people need to deal out the penalties, whether they be imprisonment, Castration, or DEATH by hanging, or bludgeoning, before the church has a chance to make escuses, or protect the guilty,  or it’ll never happen!

  24. The church must be made to become fearful of its’ flock to replace centuries of the fear that the flock has always had for its’ church!

  25. To Logan Quinn again…. There are no innocnet priests and nuns…! If they weren’t participants in the abuse, then they were complicit in the hiding all of it, all the way up to whoever were the Poops during all those years! They deserve DEATH!  ALL OF THEM!

  26. Nietzsche, I disagree. Even if you assume they’re guilty through complicity, not everyone deserves death. I’m not even prepared to argue that the directly guilty deserve death.

    Though a lengthy prison sentence would be appropriate.

  27. Nietzsche: Are you confusing me with MisterMook? I’m pretty sure I’m the one who started the whole “random acts of violence” thread here. I’m still waiting for a counter-argument based on reason and not feelings and doesn’t stoop to name calling. After all I’m apparently a monster for expressing an opinion, yet some appear bent on maintaining the status quo and defending those responsible. ;o)

    Les: I think prison sentences are too kind to these people, if not death, then let the punishment fit the crime 10x, for every time they raped a child, then let them be raped by someone with a large stick with no lube. For every time they whipped a child, let them have the hell beat out of them. They should suffer the same abuse they dished out ten fold. Being provided food, shelter, clothing with no responsibilities is not really much different than how most of these priests live their lives already.

  28. I’m not sure how stooping to their level is in any way a good thing. It won’t erase the scars from the victims and it won’t teach the guilty any lessons. Being deprived of ones freedom for a few decades, if not for life, is not the walk in the park you’d suggest it to be.

  29. And the state’s responsibility is to protect others who are innocent from the depredations of those who have committed atrocities. Death to the perpetrators is but one form of protecting society. Long terms or life terms without parole is another way, and in this current society, a much less expensive way. It may not offer the satisfaction that gallows does, but it does not make society suffer by holding the rope. And I assure you that those responsible for abuse outside prison will become abused in prison – justice in not only blind, she also wears inmate numbers.  cheese  tongue wink

  30. I have one thing to say to you all…….. REVENGE IS SWEET! I’D BE HAPPY TO PLAY EXECUTIONER! UNTIL SOMEONE ELSE GROWS THE BALLS TO DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

  31. …And I’d be happy to send you to prison along with Logan, N. You two could argue whether or not you were joking by making death threats while sharing cells with any Catholic priests we rounded up through due process and, you know, civilized behavior.

  32. No one has made any threats of any kind, merely expressed an opinion on a course of action.

    And the only person here making personal attacks and insults is you MisterMook.

  33. It’s strange that GERMANY, the muderers of 50 MILLION during WW11 would come out with the theory that revenge isn’t a good thing! I’ve always been disappointed that we didn’t have a few more NUKES to use at the end of the war… I never thought that Germany suffered enough for what they did!

  34. I have to admit that Nietzsche appears to be an equal-opportunity avenger.  cheese

    An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
      Mahatma Gandhi, (attributed)

  35. If I may have my two cents in, the abusers are probably already dead all over Ireland. As the victums are now in their 50’s and 80’s, few of the digenerate members of humanity that damaged them will have survived the aging process this far.

    With many of the abusers dead or senile, naming and shaming them will have no effect on the people themselves. It would probably cause much misery for their relatives and decendants, which probably would be entirley undeserving of such smearing. Also this would be alowing the perpetraitors of the abuse to have the ultimate victory, to have the anger that should rightfully be directed at them offloaded onto someone else. Its very difficult to hate someone whos dead.

    With a none physical atempt at retribution doing more harm than good, and a physical retribution unpractical, anyone wanting to strike at the core of the problem ( in my mind ) would probably have to set their sights on the two governing systems that failed the victums of the abuse in the first place. The church and the Irish government.

    The church ( I use this term in ignorance of what branch of the Vatican was responsible for recruiting preists/nuns excetera ) should be ridiculed to the very limit on not checking up on the activities of its members, and probably a host of other negligences besides, if it is willing to sheild its defective members from justice then it itself must take the full brunt of that justice. The government in Ireland should be made to reform the way it moniters these intitutions ( if it has not already done ). As these institutions worked with children their standards and the living conditions they suplied should have been under the watch of social services in the very leist.

    It is probably futile to talk of such things as in the end little justice will be done. I supose the best that can be hoped for is that this report will shake off some of the Vaticans purported power in Irleand and put that organisation in bad repute with the people.

    Apologies for the rant.

  36. Thanks, Gelta. This helps to put things into proper prospective.

    this report will shake off some of the Vaticans purported power in Irleand and put that organisation in bad repute with the people.

    Let’s hope it does SOME good!  angry

  37. Sooooooooooooo, The dispicable church gets away cleanly again! Well, no skin off my nose. Keep rationalizing people, that’s what you do best anyway. I have just one question:  When will someone in that good-damn church be made to pay the penalties that are so richly deserved? Natural death is NOT BEING PENALIZED! The church needs to be treated as the CRIMMINAL Organization that it is. THEY’RE THEIR OWN MAFIA!

  38. Historically, how often has the Mafia been penalized?  wink
    We, the people, seem to love rascals.

  39. I expect now you’ll propose that you and Logan go murder random Italians until the Mafia and Catholicism decide to change their evil ways, Nietzsche?

    Righteousness sucks. You guys slap a religion on that hate and you’ll both fit right in.

  40. I expect now you’ll propose that you and Logan go murder random Italians until the Mafia and Catholicism decide to change their evil ways, Nietzsche?

    Oh, so now, besides being a name caller, you’re a racist. I can’t speak for Nietzsche, but I would never think someone was in the Mafia just because they happen to be Italian. But apparently you do. Sad.

    Righteousness sucks. You guys slap a religion on that hate and you’ll both fit right in.

    Dude, you’re the only one expressing hate on this thread. At most we are expressing anger at the situation. But then again you seem to be having difficulty grasping the distinction between words and their meanings.

    So, tell me, how is your behavior on this thread considered “civilized”?

    We have merely been discussing ideas, and even though some find these ideas distasteful, they are in the end, just ideas. If you have a problem with the ideas, address the ideas like a civilized gentleman and stop attacking people just because they happen to express them.

  41. outrage should be expressed in random killing of Catholic Priests until the guilty are named

    if they are hiding the identities of the guilty, then they are just as guilty as if they have done it themselves

    Right, keep playing the martyr card. Again, your play book is right out of the pages of the Catholics themselves. Advocate some hate, retreat into “I can’t believe people thought I was being serious! Help! I’m a victim!”

  42. Right, sure thing, lets omit keys word when quoting someone to support your position.

    What I said was:

    “Perhaps outrage should be expressed in random killing of Catholic Priests until the guilty are named? I mean really, if they are hiding the identities of the guilty, then they are just as guilty as if they have done it themselves. Or perhaps they are hiding it because they all are guilty in the first place?”

    Why did you omit the first word and the question mark of the first sentence? And omitting the “I mean really,” part of the second sentence? What’s up with that? And totally ignoring the third sentence? I mean, really? I included the entire comment I posted above, it’s not that long. You purposefully omit word to further your point of view.

    This is called intellectual dishonesty. I mean really, who are you trying to fool? Anyone who has been following this thread can go back and see exactly what I’ve said all along. I would think anyone of intelligence would understand it was rhetorical.

  43. You want to play with qualifiers? Go ahead, do so all you want. Perhaps you’re a whiny victim who can’t properly communicate outrage without advocating a murder, or maybe you really think murder is funny and can’t understand the rest of us who’ve told you it’s not. What you said was ugly and hateful, and advocated terrorist tactics.

    You can try to defend it as “freedom” fighting all you want. It’s not. It’s advocating murder.

    Who’s being intellectually dishonest? You’re the one trying to deny you said what you said and meant what you said. You wouldn’t accept Moloch’s racism as humor or hyperbole, would you? If you were going to play cute with “perhaps” then “perhaps” you should have played with it a bit more until what you were actually saying sounded more like what you claim to have intended to say.

    You can say I’m a mean bastard for pointing out to you that you’re talking about advocating terrorism too. I don’t care. I don’t feel it’s impolite to disavow and denounce terrorism.

    It’s pretty obvious from your furious backpedaling you wouldn’t have the constitution to back up your terrorist ITG routine, so I accept your apology. So anyways, snowflake, get over it. You made a mistake. Don’t do it again, but don’t try to spray something pretty over your turds and sell me roses.

  44. I deny nothing in anything I wrote.

    I do deny your interpretations of what I wrote.

    The only thing I’m sorry for is that you are so wrapped up your self-righteous taboo filter that you are incapable of getting over your distaste on the subject to discuss it like a rational human being. I’ve given you more than one opportunity to raise yourself out of the gutter and rise above the trash talking, but you continue to be mired in it.

    You (and others, “Hi Les! :o)”) believe killing people for their criminal behavior (Or perhaps only “government” has that authority? Oh wait, where does government get that authority? Oh, that’s right, from the people. Or at least, that is the theory.) is just wrong. It appears that you don’t really know what your philosophical basis for your belief is, all you know is that it is wrong! wrong! wrong! And anyone who might suggest otherwise must be evil! evil! evil! And so you resort to attacking the person(s) who would dare discuss the matter, instead of offering up some reasoning as to why such an approach is wrong, or evil, or just downright ineffective.

    So yes, I’m sorry I stepped on your little taboo. I hope some day you will grow up and do some soul searching and learn why you believe what you believe, instead of just knee-jerk reacting to people who offer up a different world view to yours and demonizing them for it.

    The only reason I’m on the internet is to bounce ideas out there and see if any better, more useful ones get bounced back at me. More often than not, they just vanish into the ether. More often than I’d like, people like you crumple them up in a ball and throw them back at me all crunched and distorted by your own muddy paws. But every once in a while, I do learn new ways of thinking about things. Sadly this venture turned out to be a dud. Oh well.

    Heh, had to look up what ITG meant in this context. I assume you meant “Internet Tough Guy”? I think Nietzsche was actually playing that role better than I was. Although your premise is incorrect, you conclusion isn’t far off. These arms are made for hugging and loving, not death and destruction.

    And just for the record, no, I don’t believe in killing or the death penalty and do find the notion just as distasteful. And like you and Les, I appear to have no basis for this other than I am a pacifist. Unlike you, I don’t find the subject taboo and off limits from exploring the ramifications of a line of thinking. Unfortunately Nietzsche was the only one willing to ride this train of thought, and I think he got off awhile ago and found something else to amuse himself with.

    Oh well, back to pursuing my happiness. ta ta cool smile

  45. Logan writes…

    And just for the record, no, I don’t believe in killing or the death penalty and do find the notion just as distasteful. And like you and Les, I appear to have no basis for this other than I am a pacifist.

    I have a very simple basis for my dislike of the death penalty: Once done it cannot be undone so if mistakes are made they can’t be corrected.

    There are some cases where I would have no problem with a death penalty. Osama bin Laden comes to mind. I would happily volunteer to pull the switch on him with no reservations at all.

    Not all cases are so clean cut, however, and there’s a big difference between executing someone we’ve got pretty substantial evidence that he has done some horrific things (and who as admitted as much) and the random vigilante deaths of people who belong to a group of which some members have done horrific things.

  46. There are some cases where I would have no problem with a death penalty. Osama bin Laden comes to mind. I would happily volunteer to pull the switch on him with no reservations at all.

    I am highly skeptical of the whole Osama bin Laden/911 story the Bush administration and his media propaganda machine have been shoving down our throats since 911.

    After all, who is Osama bin Laden? Did you know of him before 911? And the word “terrorist” has been drilled into our collective consciousness that it’s the new “boogey-man” catch phrase like “communist” back in the day.

    I’m watching Obama, and he doesn’t appear to be in a hurry to put down the sword and shield anytime soon. Only this time around, instead of Iraq and Afghanistan, its Iran and North Korea. So much for “change.” Nothing will ever change as long as the US government continues to think its in charge of policing the world. Although if our economy totally tanks that might put an end to it.

    I dunno, just not feeling a lot of hope these days of a brighter future.

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