Muslims outraged over insensitive picture of… a dog.

See this cute little puppy here?

Apparently it’s the latest source of Muslim outrage. No, I’m not joking:

A postcard featuring a cute puppy sitting in a policeman’s hat advertising a Scottish police force’s new telephone number has sparked outrage from Muslims. 

Tayside Police’s new non-emergency phone number has prompted complaints from members of the Islamic community.

The choice of image on the Tayside Police cards – a black dog sitting in a police officer’s hat – has now been raised with Chief Constable John Vine.

If you’re anything like me I’m sure your first thought is: What the fuck? You might think that there’s got to be a rational and sensible explanation for this. You’d be wrong:

The advert has upset Muslims because dogs are considered ritually unclean and has sparked such anger that some shopkeepers in Dundee have refused to display the advert.

Dundee councillor Mohammed Asif said: ‘My concern was that it’s not welcomed by all communities, with the dog on the cards.

So far there’s been no reports of rioting over the advert, but I imagine it’s only a matter of time as word spreads of this horrible offense. The police have handled the situation better than I would have, I would’ve laughed the first time they told me they were offended by the dog, saying:

‘Trainee police dog Rebel has proved extremely popular with children and adults since being introduced to the public, aged six weeks old, as Tayside Police’s newest canine recruit.

‘His incredible world-wide popularity – he has attracted record visitor numbers to our website – led us to believe Rebel could play a starring role in the promotion of our non-emergency number.

‘We did not seek advice from the force’s diversity adviser prior to publishing and distributing the postcards. That was an oversight and we apologise for any offence caused.’

Give me a fucking break. Just more proof that many Muslims are just as irrational and delusional, if not more so, as many Christians.

Update: As requested, DOF graces us with the following:

Awww! He’s so cute!

41 thoughts on “Muslims outraged over insensitive picture of… a dog.

  1. Yes I would. My Jewish friends that keep Kosher don’t have anything particular against pigs or pictures of pigs, they just don’t eat them and never have shunned me because I do.

  2. We’ll keep this in mind the next time they get bent out of shape by a cartoon of their prophet.

    Look, guys! It’s a cartoon of the prophet!!!  angry

  3. Can somebody please photoshop the photo and put a turban and a bomb on the puppy?

    And what Les said. As far as I’m concerned, these holier-than-thou “community leaders” should be sent back to where they came from—or to Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia.

    The acid test is would you feel the same way if it was a pig and the Jewish community complaining?

    As soon as the Jewish community threatens to get violent if their ridiculous demands aren’t met.

  4. I think its silly as well.  However it may be a combination of a few people looking to take offence, and well known right wing paper Daily Mail looking to blow it out of proportion.  I doubt if there are crowds of upset Muslims in Tayside, or none of them would be watching TV incase adverts for Churchill insurance came on.

    Its up there with Falwell hates atheists, ergo ***Dave hates atheists.

    (How did the vicar get on with the asterisks at the baptism, we wonder)

  5. (How did the vicar get on with the asterisks at the baptism, we wonder)

    I think “Ekke Ekke Ekke F’tang F’tang Olé Biscuitbarrel” got shortened to ***Dave.

  6. THF, the article you linked to doesn’t say the story is untrue, but that it might be overblown. The Courier story says that:

    Dundee councillor Mohammed Asif claimed the postcard, advertising Tayside Police’s new non-emergency telephone number, could offend some Muslims because it features a black German shepherd dog sitting in a police officer’s hat.

    So there was actually someone complaining about it who claimed to represent the Muslim community. The article you linked to suggests that may not be correct:

    But Mr Asif’s comments have won little support among the public or Dundee’s Islamic community.

    Last night Mahmud Sarwar, trustee of the Scottish Islamic and Cultural Centre and the Dura Street mosque, appealed for calm.

    He said he had no problems with the postcard and called on homeowners and local businesses to display them as it is in the public interest.

    “I’ve not heard anything about that from members of the community,” Mr Sarwar said.

    […] Mr Sarwar also queried whether the concerns raised by Councillor Asif belonged to him or his constituents.

    “Maybe that is his own thinking—everyone has the right to say things regarding their own wishes,” he said.

    It does appear to me that the issue has been overblown.

  7. IBM used to have (probably still does) a group that vets program icons.  Among their rules were “no body parts” and “no animals”, for exactly these sorts of cultural reasons.  So, for instance, a “thumbs up” icon, or an icon of a string tied around an index finger (for a “reminder” application) would have been rejected.

    You can say it’s silly, and I can agree with you, but there it is….

  8. Man DOF is in trouble now.  He’s gonna have the PETA fanatics after him for using a dog as a suicide bomber.

  9. I believe “Thumbs up” doesn’t have the same connotations everywhere as it does in the west. Hand gestures are so varied across the world that I don’t blame IBM- the last letter they want is “Sir, I return the software package, as to run the program I have to click on a icon suggesting I am a cuckold.”

    Oh and DoF- is his middle name ‘Ni!’?

  10. Well, personally, I find the inclusion of the turban and bomb to be extremely offensive. I also think it’s exactly the sort of response the bigots at the Daily Mail would want.

    I didn’t think that the good folk here would immediately stoop to the type of racial sterotyping and lazy thinking that it represents to me. Two things to remember: not all muslims wear turbans (in fact, a vanishingly small number do) and not all muslims are reactionary fundamentalists (just like all christians do not belong to the Westboro Baptist Church).

    As for the quotes about muslims getting angry when there is a cartoon of their prophet, well, that’s their right, just as it is the right of Americans to get completely outraged when someone burns their flag – to the point of passing laws against it. It is their right, even if it seems incredibly pompous and faintly ridiculous to the rest of us.

    It is fairly obvious that the story has been inflated by the press in their constant search to raise religious disharmony in the UK.

  11. The whole point of that turban-and-bomb cartoon as I understood it, was not to make fun of muslims, but rather to make fun of people who take these things too seriously. Of course I can’t speak for DOF, so take what I said as simply my opinon.

    Also I think that America has laws that protect flag-burning as freedom of expression.

  12. I find the inclusion of the turban and bomb to be extremely offensive.

    And your point is?

    Rather than answering in detail, on this topic Pat Condell speaks for me. And as I’ve said elsewhere, if you call me an Islamophobe with regards to my take on Muslims in Europe, I’ll consider it a badge of honor.

  13. The whole point of that turban-and-bomb cartoon as I understood it, was not to make fun of muslims, but rather to make fun of people who take these things too seriously.

    Exactly!  Like when my son and I exchange the Fox News “Hezbollah fist-jab”.  We’re not making fun of Palestinians – far from it – we’re making fun of Fox News.

  14. I think Last_Hussar is right, it’s probably a small issue blown out of proportion by a bigoted right-wing newspaper. But the fact is that the police make use of dogs (e.g. sniffer dogs) and so displaying of a dog on a police advert shouldn’t be an issue.

  15. I don’t know. I don’t see how taking an image that is offensive to a tiny minority of idiotic fundamentalists and turning it into an image which would be offensive to a whole lot of moderate muslims is making fun of either the aforementioned fundies or the reactionary press who tried to brew up a storm in a teacup.

    I also don’t see any way in which it helps the integration of moderate muslims into our society – and for all the press’ claims, the truth is that a large number of second-generation muslims in this country tend to embrace the apathetic attitude towards religion that this nation is quite rightly famous for. I’m all for ridiculing the fundamentalists in any religion – I just don’t believe we do ourselves any good by simultaneously alienating the others, regardless of their misguided acceptance of their particular brand of superstition.

  16. Well you’re on a central problem of living in pluralistic society; the distinction between intention and expression.  Unless we want to wear a straightjacket and always speak in the most carefully literal terms we have to accept the risk that any expression which connects more than two conceptual dots might offend someone.  Also it gets tiresome to attach the disclaimer to everything; “this satire is aimed at group X” or “this satire applies only to extremists”.

    Will Rogers used to say; “The world is divided into two groups – the ones who divide the world into two groups and the ones who don’t.”  The operative division here is between literalists and satarists.

  17. Being that the reference is to cartoons depicting Mohamed with a bomb turban that a lot of Muslims freaked out over it wouldn’t make any sense as satire if it didn’t feature a bomb turban.

    And, for the record, I’m just as vocal about people who freak out about flag burning.

  18. Give me a fucking break. Just more proof that many Muslims are just as irrational and delusional, if not more so, as many Christians.

      So a story printed depicting a members of a different cultural group reacting with disgust — a highly negative visceral repulsion to the unclean, unwholesome and unhealthy — to something which our own culture deeply values. You take it as proof that muslims are irrational and delusional.
      Even if the story was overblown or even false, I think it’s a safe bet to say that (considering the source) it was intended to provoke exactly that reaction.

      Now, consider for a moment that you’re fortunate enough to find yourself living in a prosperous community of liberal non-religious western intellectuals. What if a Korean family opened up a restaurant in your neighborhood and had dog on the menu? What if dog was their specialty?
      Furthermore, what if they held a huge grand opening and sent out flyers sporting high-quality four color photos of their signature dish? What if they set up a grill on the street corner and gave out free samples?

      What would the reaction be among that community of enlightened western non-religious intellectuals?
      My feeling is that it would be the same sort of culturally engendered visceral disgust that led you to dismiss the muslim community as irrational and delusional.

    I’m gonna go hug my doggy now.

  19. RiB, you seem to be missing something.

    The real story is not that a subset of Muslims takes their religious delusions to new heights or that there’s concern that these overly pious fundies exist. It’s not a biased publication was aiming to a provoke a certain response, either.

    The real story is how the British (and Europeans in general) are taking it up the ass in order to avoid “giving offense”.

    I’ve never eaten dog. I might just pay your hypothetical Korean restaurant a visit.

  20. The real story is how the British (and Europeans in general) are taking it up the ass in order to avoid “giving offense”.

    Oh, fuckit. I don’t feel like constructing an argumentative response just to advance a dialectic about the limits of western neo-liberal ideals of cultural diversity.

    I’ve never eaten dog. I might just pay your hypothetical Korean restaurant a visit.

    I neglected to mention that the restaurant has a lobster tank-type setup.

  21. The real story is how the British (and Europeans in general) are taking it up the ass in order to avoid “giving offense”.

    That’s bullshit. The real story is that the vast majority of the British (whether muslim, christian, jewish, wiccan, jedi or atheist) are just getting on with their lives pretty much like before. However, the press like a bit of controversy and have no qualms about stirring whatever pot they can reach.

    For all the current furore, we in Britain have suffered a lot less ‘terrorist outrages’ from islamic fundamentalists than we did from the christian terrorists such as the IRA – who, of course, were notably co-funded by groups as diverse as NORAID and Muammar al-Gaddafi (interesting bedfellows, methinks).

    As for this earlier statement:

    As soon as the Jewish community threatens to get violent if their ridiculous demands aren’t met.

    Are you, then, unaware of the history of Jewish groups such as Irgun, Haganah and Lehi and the numerous acts of terrorism they embraced in trying to have their demands met?

    What, too, of the christian Phalangists, and the various massacres such as that at Shabra and Shatila?

    The acts of a few crazed fundamentalists, it seems, are only enough to condemn the whole of a faith if they happen to be muslim.

  22. The acts of a few crazed fundamentalists, it seems, are only enough to condemn the whole of a faith if they happen to be Muslim.

    How easy (and how tedious) it is to accuse someone of bigotry.

    Speaking for no one else, I disagree with the whole of Islam for the same reason I disagree with the whole of Christianity: they both fail to provide convincing evidence for their extraordinary claims.  As condemnations go, that’s pretty mild. 

    I reserve much stronger condemnation for the subset of both those faiths which seem to demand everyone else live by their (often violent) rules.

  23. RB writes…

    Now, consider for a moment that you’re fortunate enough to find yourself living in a prosperous community of liberal non-religious western intellectuals. What if a Korean family opened up a restaurant in your neighborhood and had dog on the menu? What if dog was their specialty?
    Furthermore, what if they held a huge grand opening and sent out flyers sporting high-quality four color photos of their signature dish? What if they set up a grill on the street corner and gave out free samples?

    What would the reaction be among that community of enlightened western non-religious intellectuals?
    My feeling is that it would be the same sort of culturally engendered visceral disgust that led you to dismiss the muslim community as irrational and delusional.

    I’ve had dog before at an ethnic pavilion back in my teens. Didn’t know it was dog at the time. I thought it wasn’t bad. And, yes, it was a free sample.

    Your mistake here is thinking that my reaction is centered on the dog part of the issue and that’s not it at all. I’d have said the same thing if it had been a basketball or a moose. Though, for the record, I’ve never accidentally eaten either of those objects.

    It’s not the object they were freaking out about that made me say what I said, it was the fact they were freaking out about it.

  24. I’ve had dog before at an ethnic pavilion back in my teens. Didn’t know it was dog at the time. I thought it wasn’t bad. And, yes, it was a free sample.

    Well then I hope you learned your lesson about trying new things.

    Your mistake here is thinking that my reaction is centered on the dog part of the issue and that’s not it at all. I’d have said the same thing if it had been a basketball or a moose. Though, for the record, I’ve never accidentally eaten either of those objects.

    That’s not what I thought, though I might have been more clear. My use of dogs in my example didn’t have any bearing on the point I was trying to make.

      I don’t think anyone would disagree that eating dogs is considered wrong in our culture. We even make laws about it. And I assume that if a restaurant with dog on the menu were to open in most neighborhoods, in this country, the result would be outrage and revulsion. Someone might even break in after hours and free the dogs from their lobster tanks, damaging the restaurant in the process.  This needn’t be done by PETA, it could have been carried out by average citizens (atheists, even) who happened to love dogs. So in this case, this has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with cultural acclimation.
      Just speaking for myself, my first reaction would not be “those irrational, delusional western dog lovers are at it again.”

  25. RiB writes…

    Well then I hope you learned your lesson about trying new things.

    I suppose that depends on what lesson you think ought to be learned from it. As I said, the dog didn’t taste half bad and it’s convinced me to try many other foods that I might not have previously.

    I don’t think anyone would disagree that eating dogs is considered wrong in our culture. We even make laws about it. And I assume that if a restaurant with dog on the menu were to open in most neighborhoods, in this country, the result would be outrage and revulsion. Someone might even break in after hours and free the dogs from their lobster tanks, damaging the restaurant in the process.  This needn’t be done by PETA, it could have been carried out by average citizens (atheists, even) who happened to love dogs. So in this case, this has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with cultural acclimation.
    Just speaking for myself, my first reaction would not be “those irrational, delusional western dog lovers are at it again.”

    Why not? My first reaction to people breaking in to free lobsters is that it’s those irrational PETA folks again.

  26. First off, the trying new things comment was a joke.

    Secondly, we’re talking about people breaking in to a business to rescue dogs from being slaughtered and eaten, not lobsters. The dogs being on display in a lobster tank was also a joke.

    Also, you keep using the word “irrational” as a pejorative. Should no one ever take any action without first coming up with a rational justification for it?

    Wouldn’t that pretty much by definition preclude any unselfish act of charity or kindness”

  27. It can be hard to tell when you’re joking in a text only environment. When in doubt I assume you’re serious.

    I never said all actions have to be rational, but it does help. And, no, there’s nothing necessarily irrational about unselfish act of charity or kindness. There’s plenty of good reasons for both of those actions.

  28. I’ve had dog before at an ethnic pavilion back in my teens.

    Any chance they’re still in business?  The dogs on my street are undisciplined and stupid to boot.  Such a pity that cooking their equally undisciplined white trash humans would be illegal…  wink

  29. Mr Mook writes:

    Dog is good, much, much better than cat.

    I’m reminded of Joan Rivers request to Johnny Carson, “You want to pet my pussy?”, referring to the cat in her lap. Johnny’s reply, “Yes, if you’ll get rid of that damn cat.”  LOL
    And, why does religion require such emotional responses to non-emotional subjects?

  30. (How did the vicar get on with the asterisks at the baptism, we wonder)

    I think “Ekke Ekke Ekke F’tang F’tang Olé
    Biscuitbarrel” got shortened to ***Dave.

    It actually all came about through a typo in the local paper reviewing baptisms (it was a small town with a 5,000 watt radio station).  Mine was a modest affair with a reasonable but not elaborate production values, and the sermon stretched on a bit, so it only got a score of three out of five.  The newpaper inadvertently dropped a line from the review, and conjoined the name and review score.  The rest is tag-line history.

    Cute dog, btw.

  31. I like that idea- wonder if the Bucks Herald will do it.


    Deaths
    John Smith, who died at the age of 92, was buried today in a small family affair ****, (Wake ***)

    Births
    To Jack and Jill Updehill, a daughter, **.

  32. seriously getting back to the point of this thread if the dog is offensive to the muslims or any other creed they can fuck off back to their own country whenever they like we do not make them stay here,im sick of being english and being the laughing stock of the world we are the bitch of europe like we get fucked like a bitch,we used to be the biggest power in the world they used to say the sun never sets on the british empire because we owned so much of the world,now because of all the do gooders and the black and asian politicains that has wiggled into our governments we are dictated to like a herd of sheep,we cannot even fly out flag in our country without being told its offensive to some ethnic,i tell you what try going to islamabad and telling them they cannot fly their flag in their counrty they would cut your fucking head off like a bunch of wild animals..i used to be proud of being british or english even but now i feel let down by whoever opened the flood gates to the imigrants who have ruined our culture,no we are the ethnic minority in our own country .if you dont like what i have to say you are either an imigrant and can therefore fuck off back where you came from or you need to grow a pair.i never used to be a racist but you have made me like this.i am neither a nazi but it has to be said this country wouldnt be in the mess its in now if my grandad had not killed the germans who invaded us its a disgrace to him if not anyone.

  33. Wow!! You throw a stick in the air and “The Muslims” become outraged.

    When you have a moment, go to google and search   muslims outraged, the result you will get should not surprise anyone, as you will find a news story for every day of the calendar year.

    Really, I’m not kidding. Try it out yourself.

    It is really creepy how full of hate and non tolerance for anything but their own way of life, and how they want to oppress, change and dictate every where they immigrate to expecting everyone to change for them.

    Weird.

  34. The idea of the jewish community kicking off if a pig had been used instead is funny, and wouldnt happen.. but funnier still is the idea that the police might use any pig related imagery! 🙂

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