How I can still vote for Obama.

“C” left a comment in another thread the other night asking how I can still vote for Obama after, among other things, his recent FISA vote. My short reply at the time was that he was still better than the alternatives. C went on to send me an email asking:

i understand the whole voting for the lesser of two evils thing, but he voted against the constitution! he will make laws against separation of church and state. he says he’ll pull us out of iraq but he’s done nothing to show us that (in fact, he continues to fund the war effort with billions of dollars).

it isn’t voting for the leeser of two evils, it’s voting for one evil that happens to give better speeches than another evil.

how anybody can vote for a person that makes unconstitutional laws…i just don’t understand it.

Obama didn’t vote against the Constitution, though the FISA bill may very well be unconstitutional. We should find out fairly quickly as the ACLU has already filed suit to try and stop the law. Still that doesn’t change the fact that I was very disappointed by Obama voting for it, but it’s not like I’ve not disagreed with Presidents I’ve voted for in the past. Bill Clinton signed a couple of laws, such as the Defense of Marriage Act, which I completely disagreed with and felt were a violation of Church and State, but he was still a decent enough President in my mind that I’d have voted for a third term had it been possible to do so. The number of issues I find myself in agreement with Obama on more than makes up for the ones I disagree with him on.

As for pulling us out of Iraq, Obama recently wrote an op-ed piece for the New York Times in which he lays out his plan for ending the war in Iraq:

As I’ve said many times, we must be as careful getting out of Iraq as we were careless getting in. We can safely redeploy our combat brigades at a pace that would remove them in 16 months. That would be the summer of 2010 — two years from now, and more than seven years after the war began. After this redeployment, a residual force in Iraq would perform limited missions: going after any remnants of Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia, protecting American service members and, so long as the Iraqis make political progress, training Iraqi security forces. That would not be a precipitous withdrawal.

In carrying out this strategy, we would inevitably need to make tactical adjustments. As I have often said, I would consult with commanders on the ground and the Iraqi government to ensure that our troops were redeployed safely, and our interests protected. We would move them from secure areas first and volatile areas later. We would pursue a diplomatic offensive with every nation in the region on behalf of Iraq’s stability, and commit $2 billion to a new international effort to support Iraq’s refugees.

Ending the war is essential to meeting our broader strategic goals, starting in Afghanistan and Pakistan, where the Taliban is resurgent and Al Qaeda has a safe haven. Iraq is not the central front in the war on terrorism, and it never has been. As Adm. Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, recently pointed out, we won’t have sufficient resources to finish the job in Afghanistan until we reduce our commitment to Iraq.

As president, I would pursue a new strategy, and begin by providing at least two additional combat brigades to support our effort in Afghanistan. We need more troops, more helicopters, better intelligence-gathering and more nonmilitary assistance to accomplish the mission there. I would not hold our military, our resources and our foreign policy hostage to a misguided desire to maintain permanent bases in Iraq.

I don’t know about the rest of you, but that sounds pretty good to me. We’ve left Afghanistan as unfinished business while we were dicking around looking for non-existent WoMDs in Iraq and we’re starting to pay the price for it.

Your second paragraph implies that there’s no real difference between the two candidates in which case I can only assume you haven’t been paying attention. Go to their websites and read up on what their stances on issues and plans for the future are. You’ll see there’s quite a bit of difference. It can be hard to distinguish how McCain would be anything other than a continuation of the Bush Administration which has done such a fine job of screwing this country up so far. That is assuming that McCain isn’t just paying lip service to the Far Right and plans to go back to being the maverick he used to be once he lands the White House. That would be an improvement over how he’s presenting himself now, but not only is that a risky assumption to count on it’s also still not as good as the change in direction that Obama appears to be offering. By the same token it’s always possible Obama is selling us a bill of goods as well, but I think it’s less likely in his case.

How I can vote someone who “makes unconstitutional laws” isn’t hard to understand. People, including Presidential candidates, are human and they make mistakes. You have to look at more than just the one issue and consider the package as a whole. That’s part of why I’m not much for Ron Paul. He had some appealing aspects in his policy stances and then he has some that were way the fuck out in left field. The number of attractive stances he held were outweighed by the crazy he brought with him. When I look at McCain and Obama and the complete packages they bring with them I find that I’m still leaning very heavily towards Obama even if I’m not happy with every single choice he makes.

17 thoughts on “How I can still vote for Obama.

  1. Let me know when you find an electable politician who will do everything the way you want. The only way to achieve this is to be the candidate yourself….  In the meantime I suggest compromise.

    Senator Obama looks like a positive way forward to me even though I disagree with a number of his views. McCain not only does not look like a positive way forward…  he looks suspiciouly like 2 steps back.. even though I like some of his views. 

    Nothing is Black and White, unless you are Jesse Jackson.

  2. I see you choose to waste your time on earth with petty nonsense. You should just end it now and stop dragging the rest of us down.

  3. how is voting for a law going against our 4th amendment rights not voting against the constitution?

    of course there has to be compromise when voting for a president, but again, voting for a presdent who voted for an unconstitutional law like fisa is a compromise i am not willing to make – it goes against our fundamental framework for goodness sake!

    don’t get me wrong, i’m not a mccain supporter either – his latest snafu was taking over 60 million in private funding after saying he wouldn’t (while taking the public funding, too) and all this after blasting obama for changing his mind about the public/private funding thing.

  4. Obama himself said that the law needs more clarification regarding corporate immunity and justification for overseas wiretapping. So he voted in favor of instead of shooting it down completely. You can’t expect any politician is going to vote to limit his powers in the position he has a very good chance of getting.

    And yup, that nigger is still getting my vote, Moloch. Try not to nick your brain next time you etch that swastica in your forehead.

  5. C:

    I understand your concern, but really.  There are many unknowns concerning Obama, as with any candidate.  But voting out of fear has never done our country any good, and only profits those who trade in fear and death.  If we concentrate on what is known, it is clear that McCain will be just another Bush, as would any other popular Republican at this time.  There has been no substantial disagreement within the republican party-they are the party of endless warfare, corporate control of government, and they have nothing but contempt for the individual American.  There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that McCain will do anything about changing destructive policies. 

    Over the last thirty years, and especially in the last eight, the republicans have given us many reasons to distrust them.  No Child Left Behind- a system designed to strip funding from public schools and make the bad ones worse.  Endless warfare at taxpayer expense for the profit of oil monopolies and arms manufacturers.  Open contempt for free speech,
    individual liberties, and the constitution.  Increasing our foreign debt, with the simultaneous
    attempts to push social security further into debt so it can be dismantled. 
    If you are seriously equating a few bad votes with the intentional deceptions of the republican party, which McCain is all but guaranteed to continue, you have been living under a rock, in a cave, wearing a blindfold with your fingers in your ears.
    I’m no democrat loyalist.  I disagree with several policies, and view them as republican-lite.  I would love nothing more than to see both parties lose a lot of power to independents and other parties.  I would rather be dealing with honest libertarians, socialists, and everything in between.  This country needs party unity and blind loyalty like it needs an ebola outbreak.  But if we don’t send the message that current republican policies are a sham, we are just asking to be raped some more.

    The only thing that will keep me from voting for Obama…well, I can’t think of anything that would
    outweigh the current extreme corporatist policies, hatred of peace, freedom and education, and contempt for dissent that I have seen from republicans.  If he turns out to be a terrorist and nukes D.C. he still wouldn’t be doing any more damage than has already been done.

    Aside from all that, I would love to see a black man become president, just to make the ignorant and hateful squeal a bit more.  While I think McCain has a decent chance, the ugliness will only grow in the coming months, and I’m looking forward to the backlash.  It’s time for some of the war-loving, freedom-hating, jingoistic, piece of shit republican base to realize that many of us do not share their redneck sensibilities.  It’s time to start growing up.

  6. As far as I’m concerned, voting at all is always voting for the lesser of two (or more) evils.  And not voting at all is tacit support for apathy- no one cares or changes their minds because you didn’t vote.  I disagree with Obama about many things, but he is a lot better than the alternative, so he gets my vote.

  7. A vote for Obama is a vote for pure evil

    Don’t concern yourself over who is going to bomb who when the Lord Jesus Christ starts showing his power and brings his wrath down on America for voting for the devil himself (in men like Obama who murders babies by voting for late term abortion) first comes war—-then famine.

    Read Lamentatins in the O.T. on people dying from famine and wishing they had died by the sword.

    Obama has no power, nor do any of the enimies of God, all we get to do with God is obey him

    If you don’t want the famine which will surely follow if you vote for Obama, then don’t vote for Obama

  8. Does this mean that the Lord Jesus Christ supports McCain?

    Which part of the bible should we read? The part where your loving God willingly murdered the first born child of every family in Egypt? The part where he drowned every living creature on earth except a few on a boat?



  9. But jeanie, I want the famine to happen, so that everyone else will die and leave me all their toys.  I’m voting for Obama.

  10. The war and the famine (at least a food crisis) are already widespread. One might argue that, with the crisis already hitting US food prices and supply, and the wars come from the US, that the problem was related to Bush’s election, not Obama’s.

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