Something to think about

6 thoughts on “Something to think about

  1. I’m not incredibly surprised that Bush would say that.  I am surprised that atheists are considered “least american” below muslims, which would actually tend to refute the idea that terrorism is our biggest threat.  After all… how many atheists are there among the terrorists?

    On the other hand, I’m convinced that the most influential terrorist leaders aren’t, in fact, religious.

    I’d also like to know… if 75% of the prison population is christian and .02% of the prison population is atheist, athiests are underrepresented…which demographic is overrepresented?

    It’s also possible that atheists are so underrepresented in prison because they don’t get caught as much.  I can’t see an atheist trusting God to get them out of trouble.  They’re much more likely to take that responsibility on themselves.  On the other hand, they don’t usually use the excuse “God told me to kill those people” either…  On the third hand, did the study consider people who used that excuse “christians”?

    I guess I have more questions now than before…  Where’s part 2? smile

  2. The video was a parade and things are more complicated than that, nethertheless

    Swordsbane: I’d also like to know… if 75% of the prison population is christian and .02% of the prison population is atheist, athiests are underrepresented…which demographic is overrepresented?

    I’d also like to know, but could it be in part that there’s an increased chance of commiting serious crime if people believe it’s god’s work (esp thinking about terror suspects)? Scizophrenics too might believe in something from what they see that might not be the xian way. Some prisoners may think god abandoned them and so might not exist, some may think god’s punnishing them or giving them a chance to change/ a fresh start when released, some may be clinging onto him for hope.

    Video (Carl Sagen): It’s far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring

    Really? If illusion is more pleasing what could be good about abandoning it? Especially if it is to make our one existence as happy as possible. Sometimes people are better off in the dark, though sometimes it can be impossible to stay there or go back to it

    I think all people summon some level of illusion without knowing to help them cope with the world, hence different perspectives. They don’t need to actually like their perspective, just not be broken by it.

  3. I’d also like to know, but could it be in part that there’s an increased chance of commiting serious crime if people believe it’s god’s work (esp thinking about terror suspects)? Scizophrenics too might believe in something from what they see that might not be the xian way. Some prisoners may think god abandoned them and so might not exist, some may think god’s punnishing them or giving them a chance to change/ a fresh start when released, some may be clinging onto him for hope

    That relates to my other question: What do they consider a “Christian”?  Is it anyone who practices the religion?  Anyone who says they believe in God (Jesus) or some other criteria.  If they don’t believe the nut cases fall under the classification of “Christian” then what category DO they fall under?  Is there a “miscellaneous relgion” category or do they get placed somewhere else, or are they just ignored for the purpose of this study?

    I think all people summon some level of illusion without knowing to help them cope with the world, hence different perspectives. They don’t need to actually like their perspective, just not be broken by it.

    “Knurdiness strips away all illusion, all the comforting pink fog in which people normally spend their lives, and lets them see and think clearly for the first time ever.  Then, after they’ve screamed a bit, they make sure they never get knurd again.”
    – Sourcery: Terry Pratchett

  4. What do they consider a “Christian”?

    Good point on how statistics can be manipulated by drawing the line, and I wonder why people categorize themselves at all, I think a lot of xians think self catgorization and acctepting the xian belief package is a prerequisite to heaven, but the flaw is that thinking it’s a prerequisite is part of that xian package.

    I also wonder is being smart really such a good thing or really that important, especially if we do only have one life without consequence after? Who cares who someone was or what they did, once they’re dead they’re gone and it doesn’t make any difference anymore. If illusion is more pleasant I wonder why people go out of their way to dispel it, and yet they do and are eager to spread the dispel, I myself am guilty of this too, but maybe it’s just a subtle need that competes

  5. Just for kicks, since I haven’t posted much lately, I found it interesting that all the atheists “worthy” to be considered fools were white.  Something to think about.

  6. Just for kicks, since I haven’t posted much lately, I found it interesting that all the atheists “worthy” to be considered fools were white.  Something to think about.

    Well, I’m sorry to say it, but many rabid fundies do tend to be a bit racist, and showing unobscure popular figures such as these would have a greater impact on such people.  That having been said, I think the author just grabbed names he was sure people would recognize.  In any case, as a fellow white atheist, I am delighted to be considered a “fool” in their company…. never mind whatever nit the author may or may not have had to pick.

    That is if you think that a Mongolian/Polish/Yugoslavian/Irish South Carolinian (with not quite enough Cherokee blood to be official) who grew up in California and lives in Wisconsin “white”

    And

    If you consider someone who doesn’t care if God exists or not an “Atheist”

    I’m sure a fundie can’t tell the difference.

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