I wonder if she believes in psychotherapy now?

Scientologists, as so ably demonstrated by actor Tom Cruise, don’t believe in psychotherapy so it’s with no small amount of irony that I present the following news item:

“She had a history of being diagnosed with a psychotic illness in late 2006 at Bankstown Hospital, but follow-up from the mental health team was apparently declined by her parents because of their alleged Scientology beliefs,” Cross said.

The woman is accused of fatally stabbing her 53-year-old father and 15-year-old sister and wounding her 52-year-old mother, who raised the alarm as she collapsed in a neighbour’s garden.

The mother remains in a serious but stable condition after undergoing surgery for multiple stab wounds.

I wonder if that’s enough to change her mother’s mind on the value of psychiatrists, but I’d bet it isn’t. True faith is stubborn like that.

22 thoughts on “I wonder if she believes in psychotherapy now?

  1. While I dont want to agree even the slightest with the Church of Scientology (duh, it’s a Church), I do think that psychiatrists tend to be just a little too ready with the drugs. And I base this opinion on no evidence whatsoever, just my personal beliefs.

    Not that its relevant in this case however.

  2. In my Psych 9 class we found the only research, done,I believe, by Harvard, to compare psychotherapy to a control group without, showed no statistical difference. Ergo, the same number got better with or without. It’s possible that some may have benefited, but there is little evidence of it. There is something to be said, however, for the benefits to society of keeping psychos under lock and key for “observation and treatment” so the general public doesn’t have to deal with them. Who cares if they get “better”?  grin

  3. As somebody who once took medication against panic attacks for half a year, I can attest that it helped where “talking it over” had failed consistently. Or maybe it was just a placebo effect? I think not. Not solely, in any case.

    As for the Scientologists: Can’t have somebody operating (on your) thetan. Hey – that sounds nasty, doesn’t it?

  4. Still trying to get the website to accept my new avatar. Isn’t happening…

  5. To play Devil’s advocate…

    If she had refused a visit from the Chakra Re-alignment team, would you be asking if she regretted that too?

  6. I think that some doctors seem quick to prescribe a pill, especially the new ones, and parents are quick to accept something that may make their problems go away.  My perspective comes from the ADD drugs.  There are other ways to treat ADD and I think too many people opted for the quick fix.  All the drugs did for me was to turn me into an impotent, uncreative, uncalculating, zombie.  I couldn’t think straight or do many normal activities while on them.  And I was diagnosed with ADHD.

    The thing that helped me the most was a healthier diet with more whole foods, fruits, and vegetables, followed with more exercise.  I think many of our problems we seek to find an answer for in pill form can be solved with a healthier organic diet and exercise.

    With that I do understand there is a need for the pills, but I think doctors, when they can, should try to prescribe a healthier lifestyle for their patients first.

  7. In my Psych 9 class we found the only research, done,I believe, by Harvard, to compare psychotherapy to a control group without, showed no statistical difference. Ergo, the same number got better with or without.

    Psychotherapy is Freudian talk therapy – it is not the same as giving antipsychotic meds to someone suffering from schizophrenia.  A person with that (organic) disorder won’t be helped at all by talk therapy.

    The field of talk therapy has advanced since Freud’s time, however.  Sometimes reframing a problem in a new way helps a lot. 

    There are many kinds of ADD/ADHD, by the way.  And there are different kinds of drugs, plus the biochemical individuality of each person.  So drugs are bound to get a bad rep as a lot of doctors say; “Oh, you have ADHD, and the drug company rep said to prescribe Strattera™ for that.  Or was it Focusyn™?”

    Mayo Clinic overview of different kinds of talk therapy/Psychotherapy – the Freudian kind is listed as “Psychoanalysis”

  8. LH, nope and that’s entirely due to the fact that psychiatry has quite a bit more evidence in support of it than Chakra realignment does.

  9. Since kirlian photos are an electric effect I hypothesise that shoving a paperclip into a power socket should re-align your chackras nicely – the pain of electric shock therapy allowed people to atone and long term they literally forget their transgressions, along with their identity and everything else

  10. “Don’t ever do anything as though you were an amateur.

    “Anything you do, do it as a Professional to Professional standards.

    “If you have the idea about anything you do that you just dabble in it, you will wind up with a dabble life. There’ll be no satisfaction in it because there will be no real production you can be proud of.

    “Develop the frame of mind that whatever you do, you are doing it as a professional and move up to professional standards in it.

    “Never let it be said of you that you lived an amateur life.

    “Professionals see situations and they handle what they see. They are not amateur dabblers.

    “So learn this as a first lesson about life. The only successful beings in any field, including living itself, are those who have a professional viewpoint and make themselves and are professionals” — L. Ron Hubbard
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    I have read most of the works of L. Ron Hubbard, and it would be fair for me to say that I do not relate Scientology with him. I see a group of people that are now feeding off of it’s dead founder. Ron Hubbard made a lot of sense about a lot of issues. No… He’s not perfect, but he had a lot of good ideas about everyday life, and I place emphasis on his ideology about the raising of children.. Scientologist today are a scary lot. 

    We as a Society cannot build prisons fast enough to contain the need. Many of those people are not criminals, they are mentally ill. If Psychology in general were a working performance module, I would think we would live in a better world than the dangerous lethal society that we have.

    The book ” New Slant on Life ” is a good book to start with by L. Ron Hubbard. And here is a quote from it about children.

    ===============================
    The main problem with children is how to live with them. The adult is the problem in child raising, not the child. A good, stable adult with love and tolerance in his heart is about the best therapy a child can have.

    The main consideration in raising children is the problem of training them without breaking them. You want to raise your child in such a way that you don’t have to control him, so that he will be in full possession of himself at all times. Upon that depends his good behavior, his health, his sanity.

    Children are not dogs. They can’t be trained like dogs are trained. They are not controllable items. They are, and let’s not overlook the point, men and women. A child is not a special species of animal distinct from man. A child is a man or a woman who has not attained full growth.

    Any law which applies to the behavior of men and women applies to children. L. Ron Hubbard

  11. We as a Society cannot build prisons fast enough to contain the need. Many of those people are not criminals, they are mentally ill. If Psychology in general were a working performance module, I would think we would live in a better world than the dangerous lethal society that we have.

    I can tell you for a fact that very few of those people in question see psychologists on any sort of regular basis (or at all), it’d simply cost us too much money, as most of them can’t afford it.

    It’s a lot cheaper to have a psychiatrist prescribe some psychotropic drugs, which often times people decide to stop taking, and that’s when you start having problems with them.

  12. Hey Les, I was trying to get to your site while I was on the Norwalk Hospital network (my husband had surgery on his clotty calf artery today). But you’re officially blocked! Think it might have something to do with your site name? Big scary looking notice …

  13. I’d guess name and content…

    Nice to see filters are still as useless. At work, Wikipedia (and Google Image search) was blocked because of ‘Rule: prevent pornography’.

    Thankfully, we are a small company, and I could a) tell the IT guy to knock it off, and b) simply disable the proxy server. Lol.

  14. Children are not dogs

    You’re right they are not dogs they are however animals none the less. Until about the age of 12 (on average, you have to take each kid one at a time) humans are severely lacking in cognitive reasoning skills. As a rule the young human mind understands punishment and reward, and not the nuances of social order.

  15. Neurotwitch, it depends on which filter software they’re using. I know we’re banned in a couple of them. I’d expect it’s the site name, but it could be they didn’t want to make their patients any more ill than they already were.

  16. Timmeh: You’re right they are not dogs they are however animals none the less. Until about the age of 12

    I’ve noticed a lot of parents are good at either one side of 12 or the other, you get some who are very understanding but provide neither fun or dicipline, and the complete reverse who put a lot of effort into childcare but continue to treat them as children beyond that because they think they’ll stay the same. Some adults view ‘growing up’ as taking on pointless responsibilities in a military-like robotic manner, and when children disagree they never grow up in the eyes of that parent, regular society always sees the parent as right – it’s one of those things where their mind is already made up, because parents are more influential, and to the child it feels like they’d have to take a backwards step, one that won’t preserve their sanity

  17. DOF…In this case you are both right to a degree. When reading Ron Hubbards works. A person has to take away what they feel is useful and correct thinking.

    I am not trying to kiss your ass or anything. But I hang on, and strongly consider your opinions. You are actually one of the smartest people that I have ever heard. I feel the same way about Ron Hubbard. You both have a unique way of expressing your thoughts that causes a person ( If Willing ) to attain a higher thought pattern.

    I think I am trying to get around to saying.

    I appreciate you in so many ways. You are one of the main reasons I show up here. Have a nice day:)

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