SEB Mailbag: Creation in the 21st century?

I received the following terse email just mere moments ago:

From: Don McClure <don.mcclure@insightbb.com>
To: Les Jenkins
Subject: Creation in the 21st century?

It’s proven that carbon 14 dating is a farse and if you want to believe you came from primates, be my guest. but i on the other hand believe that I was created by a HIGHER BEING or INTITY.( GOD )

THEY SHALL KNOW THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET THEM FREE! IF YOU KEEP READING AND STUDYING YOU WILL EVENTUALLY COME TO THE TRUTH.

Well that certainly wasn’t very convincing, but at least it wasn’t very time consuming either. Just enough to give me a quick chuckle as I dashed off a reply that asked for the proof of his claims.

Update: Don actually replied:

THAT’S WHAT THOMAS SAID TO MARY “SHOW ME THE PROOF”. THEN WHEN JESUS WAS THERE BEFORE HIM (THOMAS) & HIS EYES BEHELD THE SAVIOUR AND THOMAS PUT HIS HAND IN THE SPEAR WOUND ON JESUS’S SIDE, THEN “DOUBTING THOMAS” TOO BELIEVED. JESUS TOLD THE DESCIPLES “Y’ALL ARE BLESSED ‘CAUSE YOU BELIEVED BY “FAITH” BUT GOOD OLE THOMAS HERE HAD TO SEE ME FIRST WITH HIS OWN EYES!(paraphrased into Kentuckian lingo) Either your eyes will be opened to the fact that there is a God or maybe you are one of them the Bible refers to as the group of people that are predestined to be “blinded”. I pray you are not. Can you honestly SPIRITUALLY afford to NOT believe that there is a GOD? What exactly DO you believe?

When I asked for proof I was actually referring to his claim that carbon 14 dating had been proven, as he put it, to be a “farse.” I replied back explaining this, but told him that it would be pretty cool if he could arrange to have Jesus show up and let me put my hand in his spear wound.

Update 2: He’s back for more….

I personally cannot arrange for JESUS to drop in on you. Only YOU can arrange that, if you really want HIM. YOU CAN “CHAT” WITH HIM ANY TIME YOU WANT TO. YES GOD IS SMART ENOUGH TO TELL THE DIFFERENCES IN FAITH. FAITH COMES FROM THE HEART & GOD KNOWS OUR HEARTS. I NOTICED EVERYTIME YOU REFERRED TO GOD YOU TYPED A CAPITAL “G” WHICH MEANS “REVERENCE”. OR ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT YOU ARE AN ATHIEST. IF YOU CLAIM TO BE AN ATHIEST, LET ME TELL YOU THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN ATHIEST BECAUSE TO STATE THAT ONE DOES NOT BELIEVE IN “GOD” IN ITSELF ADMITS THERE IS A “GOD ” NOT TO BELIEVE IN.

It’s getting a bit pathetic now. Too much like shooting fish in a barrel. He’s reciting from the kid’s edition of the Big Book of Converting the Heathens at this point.

37 thoughts on “SEB Mailbag: Creation in the 21st century?

  1. …if you want to believe you came from primates, be my guest.

    Don, they say you learn something new every day, and so here’s your tidbit for 3/21/07: humans are primates.

  2. For that matter, carbon dating is only useful in a specific sample range. There are several types of radio(isometric) dating, each with a different age specialty – C14 is only one of them.

    Sorry, you can’t just wish away half-life.

  3. Patness: There are several types of radio(isometric) dating, each with a different age specialty – C14 is only one of them.

    And what’s more, Carbon-14 has a fairly short half-life (a little under 6000 years). There are many other isotopes with much, much longer half-lives (i.e. Rubidium-87).

  4. IF YOU CLAIM TO BE AN ATHIEST, LET ME TELL YOU THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN ATHIEST BECAUSE TO STATE THAT ONE DOES NOT BELIEVE IN “GOD” IN ITSELF ADMITS THERE IS A “GOD “ NOT TO BELIEVE IN.

    I seem to recall from a while back an old SEB regular (don’t ask me who it was) lamenting the fact that American public schools no longer require classes in basic logic. I’d like to second that notion.

  5. I’m up to five replies from the guy now. He just did the “I’m praying for you so it’s only a matter of time” power of prayer bit in the last one.

    What’s particularly amusing is that his PC’s clock is off by a day so everything is showing up with yesterday’s date on it.

  6. Alas, being a Believer doesn’t seem to help with spelling …

    And, for the record (directed at the writer, not to you, Les), there are plenty of us who don’t have any problem with believing we’re descended from primates *and* by a Higher Intity … er, Entity.

  7. As a Kentuckian I *would* ask that you (Les) refrain from baiting the fundies. I *would*, but it’s just too much fun watching the veins pop out on their necks!  LOL  At least he hasn’t offered to burn you at the stake.

  8. I doubt this funny little intity is going to perform many more tricks but, just in case it does, I’m subscribing.  wink

  9. Wow, the more I read the “fundies” here the more embarrassed I am to admit being a believer (small ‘b’ with no trademark).

    If something like “Carbon 14 dating” puts a wrinkle in your theology you might want to seriously rethink it.

  10. Mick, I’m willing to overlook misspelling the word atheist if only because I screw it up all the time myself, but “INTITY” and “DESCIPLES” should be embarrassing for someone who supposedly knows his Bible.

    FD, the fact that you disassociate yourself from the True Believers™ puts you in a good light with me.

  11. Religion and Science can peacefully exist

    and from a Christian perspective if you judge someone for there beliefs thats just as bad as committing the act yourself

    Matthew 7
    1″Do not judge, or you too will be judged.

    i dont understand why “Christians” send out harrassive emails and/or bomb clinics and/or hold up God hates Fags signs
    yeah im damn sure Jesus would have held up a God hates ***** sign of any sort

  12. Fanu, you sound like a xian I could like.
    Those other xians to whom you refer are the type of xian who condemns atheists to rot in hell for eternity if they fail to convert immediately.
    Yes, I know it sounds silly but, as they say in the classics: “that’s motor racing” or in this case, “that’s xianity”.

  13. THEY SHALL KNOW THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET THEM FREE!

    ‘Tis true – I discovered the truth and the truth was that there is no god, and it set me free from tithes, guilt, and other xtian control issues.

    IF YOU CLAIM TO BE AN ATHIEST, LET ME TELL YOU THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN ATHIEST BECAUSE TO STATE THAT ONE DOES NOT BELIEVE IN “GOD” IN ITSELF ADMITS THERE IS A “GOD “ NOT TO BELIEVE IN.

    No, just because I can propose an idea that I can conceptualize, doesn’t mean that it in fact exists. Borrowing from mathematics, I can conceptualize that the square root of 2 is a rational number (it seems reasonable at first glance), but then when I test my hypothesis, I find it is false and must be discarded – square root of 2 is not rational but irrational (like many xtians).

    Similarly, we can conceptualize of an omniscient, omnipotent, totally just, all-merciful, all-benevolent being (seems all warm and fuzzy – a human comfort zone), yet when we test our theory, it falls apart: an omniscient being is not omnipotent (knowing exactly what is going to happen prevents him/her/it from changing anything), justice and mercy are incompatable (mercy is an exception to justice and vice versa), and benevolence falls on its face because of the problem of evil.

  14. I used to enjoy baiting Christians (at least the in-your-face-ones) but I’m starting to feel like I’m beating a puppy with a stick.  They are (for the most part) well meaning.  They’re not smart enough to use arguments that at I have to think about before replying, so they have no chance of either affecting my beliefs or changing my mind, and it’s just so darn easy to take apart what they say, but I, in turn have no chance of changing their minds either.  So I just keep hitting them with the stick and they can’t even dodge, but they come back just the same.  It’s almost like I feel embarrassed for them, because they don’t have the sense to be embarrassed themselves.  If that’s what faith is, no thank you.  No really… no thank you.

  15. ok the fact that you criticize someone one there beliefs proves that A. you have no life. B. the creator of the site looks like he has been homeless for the past 20 year of that gay bread. C. everyone that has posted on this board is probably in their 30’s and still plays video games. D. ok i know this one is true YOU ARE ALL SINGLE, cause i don’t know any woman that would want to date any of you.

  16. Luke shows up and proves that the criticisms I have of many so-called Christians are right on target:

    ok the fact that you criticize someone one there beliefs proves that A. you have no life

    That depends on how you define the words “have a life.” If you mean that I go out and do things such as sky dive or climb mountains then it’s true that I don’t have a life. If you mean I only sit around blogging about idiots like yourself then I do have a life as I do much more than just blog about morons who make a lot of assumptions on very little evidence.

    B. the creator of the site looks like he has been homeless for the past 20 year of that gay bread.

    You claim I don’t have a life because I criticize someone else’s beliefs and yet you take the time to criticize my beard? Could you be a bigger hypocrite if you tried?

    C. everyone that has posted on this board is probably in their 30’s and still plays video games.

    I’m assuming that’s supposed to be an insult of some sort, but I’m not sure how being in your 30’s and/or playing video games in some way makes my criticism any less valid. For the record, I’m 40 and I play video games. So what does that prove other than you’re an idiot who makes a lot of half-correct assumptions?

    D. ok i know this one is true YOU ARE ALL SINGLE, cause i don’t know any woman that would want to date any of you.

    OK, make that mostly incorrect assumptions. I’ve been married for coming up on 7 years (as of April 21st). Wanna try any more guesses, Mr. Wizard, or are you done making an ass out of yourself?

  17. I thought Luke was just hoping that you had a gay beard, Les – you know, because it’s so cold outside and he wants a completely heterosexual platonic naked Christian man-on-man cuddle or something.

    Basic self-hate, balanced on the fact that he’s probably 17-23 and a virgin.

  18. Luke would be your average drive-by wanker if it weren’t for his pointing out gay bread. Even as as avid baker I’ve yet to hear of such a thing and wonder if anybody can help me find a recipe.

  19. ok u think all that mr.mountaineer. and you still dont have a life
    mistermook i am not a christian nor am i looking for a gay cuddle. infact i did cuddle with your wife last night. she was amazing

  20. Wow. What’s next, yo’ momma cracks?  LOL Geeze Les, how do you keep from hunting these guys down and forcing some proper English lessons on them?

  21. Actually I’m glad Les doesn’t have a life, because if he hadn’t replied I’d still be wondering what gay bread was.

    did cuddle with your wife last night.

    You can try that with my wife if you like, it would be just like the Colusseum- y’know- a Christian getting ripped limb from limb.

    average drive-by wanker

    Eurgh- messy.

  22. You’ll all note that he didn’t refute the teenage virgin thing, which I guess is clear enough from the follow-up anyways.

  23. luke:

    ok the fact that you criticize someone one there beliefs proves that A. you have no life. B. the creator of the site looks like he has been homeless for the past 20 year of that gay bread. C. everyone that has posted on this board is probably in their 30’s and still plays video games. D. ok i know this one is true YOU ARE ALL SINGLE, cause i don’t know any woman that would want to date any of you.

    Why do the fun people post when I’m at work??  Ah well… better late than never… unless you’re talking about contraceptives.

    A. What does one who criticizes one who has no life because he criticizes one have?  Hmm…  Wait.. that makes me one who criticizes one who criticizes one who criticizes… Dear Lord when will the circle of irony end??

    B.

    looks like he has been homeless for the past 20 year of that gay bread.

    That question should be taken out and shot.  It’s obviously suffering.

    C. I’m 40 and there are no such things as “video games” anymore.  Sheesh… ignorance is no excuse for lack of knowledge.

    D.  Does getting laid a lot often count as “single” in this case?  I bring it up because it is slightly obscure.  How about sex with my ex-wife?  Is that really being “single”?  How about her sister?.. oh.. ah.. I probably went too far on that one…  Never mind.. you’re right.. I’m very much “Single”

    How do you like your mothers basement?

  24. Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods.
    Albert Einstein

    One of my favorite Einsteins.

  25. One of my favorite Einsteins

    I like Old Al, but with regard to religion, few compare to Twain:

    I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man’s reasoning powers are not above the monkey’s.
    – Mark Twain

  26. “I do not believe in immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it.”

    and

    “It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.”

    both attributed to Albert Einstein, 1954, from Albert Einstein: The Human Side

  27. Anyone want to mail me a lot of useful information posted here? I’d like to learn, but alas no time to dig the net, if you could email me references, book names, and your opinions and how you reached those opinions it would be nice. People shouldn’t shoot off their mouth unless they state solid 100% evidence, which any of us at the most part do not know 100% about everything in the universe, so I figured I’d gather my information and start to learn the other 99% of stuff I supposedly don’t know.

    To be straight and honest, unless you know 100% of everything in the universe, including peoples thoughts, actions, behaviors, animal thoughts for every second of the day, please don’t shoot off your mouth like you know it all. People like this sicken me.

    My opinion is that both sides, if you were to base your information off this site, lack evidence at the moment of this post for me to evaluate in order to determine which side would win the debate.

    As asked above, I want information emailed to me on the subjects, your views, and why you came to that conclusion.

    As a side note to the person posting about getting rich off disclaiming people’s beliefs, there are far too many ways for a person to get rich, as defined as having 100k$ usd to invest at any moment in time. Our thoughts are the only thing that hold us back from achieving what our dreams are, another form of thoughts collected and put together over the years.

    I deeply express my apologies for the idiots of the internet that do not first educate themselves on the subject, it’s not their fault they are too lazy to research a subject.

  28. Exhinit A:

    As asked above, I want information emailed to me on the subjects, your views, and why you came to that conclusion.

    Exhibit B:

    I deeply express my apologies for the idiots of the internet that do not first educate themselves on the subject, it’s not their fault they are too lazy to research a subject.

  29. Elwed: I thought I was the only one who noticed that. I, however, didn’t want to point out the obvious, since it may be taken in a negative manner. You may point out to him that a search of this blog should bring him up to par in knowledge about the subject, though it may not convince him. Hey, sometimes I can’t even convince my wife. So, who am I?  LOL

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