SEB Mail Bag: “BEHOLD HULK HOGAN NOW ! LOOK UPON THAT MIGHTY KING OF DEBATE”

I had to read this one all the way through before I could decide which side of the issue this fellow was on or why the subject line had a reference to Hulk Hogan in it when the email itself appears to be about “Dr.” Kent Hovind. Fair warning, it’s very long so I’ll be putting some of it below the fold:

    Subject: BEHOLD HULK HOGAN NOW ! LOOK UPON THAT MIGHTY KING OF DEBATE
    From:
    Date: 6:14PM
    To:

    The Pensacola News: He tried to stress to me that he was like the pope and this was like the Vatican,” Seminole attorney David Charles Gibbs testified at Hovind’s trial before U.S. District Judge Casey Rodgers.

      Catholic church pays not one red cent of taxes but one meager servant of the Lord – a man who gave it everything he had and put everything he owned into spreading the gospel of truth today goes to jail for 288 years

      Look at Hovinds house. Hovind did not live in the lap of luxury. Every last cent , every last breathe , every drop of that mans blood went into the work of the ministry.

      Have you ever read Foxes Book of Martyrs? Heard of John Bunyan ? Pilgrims Progress ? Bunyan was a jail bird too.  Have you ever read Revelation 17 in any classic Bible commentary ? Have you heard of Charles Spurgeon, Matthew Henry, Jonathan Edwards ? Did any learn in school of the Dark ages or the glorious light of the Reformation?

    Why did you think the following was written ? 

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.”

    These words were clear and sensible.

    First Amendment clearly places the church outside the jurisdiction of civil government: Congress shall make NO LAW respecting an establishment of religion, nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof. Is was a hedge of protection against the persecution.


And it just gets weirder from there…

        This country was begun by Pilgrims- for the most part the few descendants of Protestant Huguenots that remained . Saint Bartholomew’s Day Massacre where the Roman Catholic clergy fell upon the unarmed people, and blood flowed like a river throughout the entire country. In one week, almost 100,100 perished. The rivers of France were so filled with corpses that for many months no fish were eaten.

      The massacres continued for centuries. The best and brightest people fled to Germany, Switzerland, England, Ireland and eventually America The Pope commissioned Italian artist Vasari to paint a mural of the Massacre—which still proudly hangs in the Vatican!

      The Mennonite cages still hang proudly in European Cathedrals where birds pecked out their eyes ..Albigensians, Waldensians , Wycliffians, Lollards, Quakers…Drunken with the blood of saints.

      What about more recent times –  Jasenovac? There is an excellent movie about the WWII mass conversions by beheading on Google video .

      Bill Clinton carried a Bible but was given catholic communion.

      Those Serbian orthodox may be apostate but still refuse to kiss the gold ring of a pope of Rome today. God bless them.

      History repeats again and again and people are lulled into a false security. But under pain of death some will never call any man Father.

    You may want to watch:

      See http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1961984528319702631&q=jasenovac

      http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7695778559946532278&q=Vatican+control

     
    Wondering about illegal immigrants?  What is the common denominator?

    .http://www.pccmonroe.org/Ecumenism/romanizingamerica.htm

          Churches have never been taxable.

      Gospel work was always free in this country until President Johnson.

        To be taxable a church would first need to be under the jurisdiction, and therefore under the taxing authority, of the government.

          501c3 has had a chilling effect upon the free speech rights of the church. LBJ was a shrew and cunning politician who seemed to well-appreciate how easily many of the clergy would sell out.

      Although Johnson proffered this as a “favor” to churches, that favor also came with strings attached (shackles)

      Be not desirous of his dainties: for they are deceitful meat.

      And put a knife to thy throat, if thou be a man given to appetite.

      But the church – she took and she did eat .  One need not look far to see the devastating effects 501c3 acceptance has had to the church.

    501c3 churches prohibited from addressing, in any tangible way, the vital issues of the day.

    For a 501c3 church to openly speak out, or organize in opposition to, anything that the government declares “legal,” even if it is immoral , that church will jeopardize its tax exempt status.

    So our politicians proudly march beside NAMBLA and all US hospitals are setting up to scan the Verichip implanted in the right hand there is not a word from the politically correct 501C-3 harlot pulpit.

    Not one of these ministers dares to talk about Verichip, Patriot act, Habeas corpus .. NAMBLA . His god is his belly and his glory is his shame.

    Hovind would not allow the state to Lord over his tongue but filled with a courage only the Lord can provide men he stood apart from this pack of ravenous wolves and greedy dogs that cannot get enough and warned the flock of danger .

      It is neither safe nor right to go against conscience and the clear light of scripture.

    The writ of habeas corpus is gone… under the same administration that was the first in all of US history to hang a flag at half mast for a Pope .

    A US President attends the red mass for the man that burnt William Tyndale at the stake. The handwriting is on the wall and people are still drunken with pleasure venerating their MSNBC idols and reciting verses learned from corporate owned media images . They know not is about to befall them.

      When persecution is in fashion, envy, enmity, and malice, are strangely diffused into the minds of men by contagion: and truth is looked upon as a horror that needs to be put down.

      Cain had fair warning given him . God himself had told him what would come of it, yet he persisted in his barbarous design.

      That which the scripture tells us was the reason why he slew him ; it was because his own works were evil and his brother’s righteous, so that herein he showed himself to be of that wicked one (1Jo_3:12), a child of the devil, an enemy to all righteousness.

      Yet so it remains today – bad men will continue their restless malice and defend their wicked actions though Providence itself reproves and has so often defeated their mischievous designs.

      The murder of Abel was the more inhuman because there were now so few men in the world to replenish it. The life of a man is precious at any time; but it was in a special manner precious now, and could ill be spared. Perilous times.

      Lord allows wicked to go on doing wickedly till they fill up their full measure of iniquity then suddenly they are cut off in the midst of their prosperity.

      Know that this day ye have shed the blood of an innocent man.

      Behold, thou hast spoken and done evil things as thou couldest.

      Son of man.. remember…

        Remember what thou hast done
     
        When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.

      But praise God when they were burning the saints of God the gospel burned with mighty fire!  It has been said that the day they burned William Tyndale at the stake that anyone Tyndales smoke even blew upon was saved!

      Men of bad character, little hams will exalt in their victory.

      And they were the more fierce, saying, Hovind stirreth up the lies, teaching throughout all to this place

      And they stood and vehemently accused him

      Hovind is here insulted and surrounded by his enemies, such as were of a higher rank, who for their strength and fury, are compared to bulls, strong bulls of Bashan .

      Fat and fed to the full, haughty and sour; filthy and greedy, and unwearied in running him down. There was an assembly of the wicked plotting against him. Chief police, college scribes and pharisees.

      They have carried their plot far, and seem to have gained their point, for they have beset Hovind round.

      They gaped upon him with their mouths, to show that they would swallow him up; and this with as much strength and fierceness as a roaring ravening lion leaps upon his prey.

      Hovind is deserted by his friends: Trouble and distress are near, and there is none to help, none to uphold.

      They look and stare upon him

      Delivered up Hovind to council .

      Send unto him certain of the legal sort , to catch him in his words.

      The officers saw him, they cried out, to the judge .. This man ..He..why.. he said a verse to me!  It was an assault! Battery ! It was very threatening !

      288 years ..

      They look and stare upon him . Gape with their mouths. 288 years

      Hovind looks over to offer an encouraging wink to his wife.

      Hovind silent. Hovind praying : Lord, how long wilt thou look on? rescue my soul from their destructions, my darling from the lions.

      This time it really is Hovinds wife we see , not just a picture of her. Ever wonder about that routine with the picture? Wonder why ? I always knew.. One just man traveled alone in this land of filthy adulterers . Hovind made certain all women knew that he loved his own wife. 
    Mrs. Hovind , not her picture stands to get just 240 years..

    But we hear the real Mrs. Hovind is such a wretched miser ,so precise stingy and greedy that she docked her own daughter ten dollars for talking too long.  Mrs Hovind deserves a few more years for training up her daughter me thinks . Fall foul upon the woman! Get her!

      Hovind is stripped.

      Hail hulk Hogan!
      Behold the naked creationist .
      See this King of debate.

      Shamed and disgraced.

      Kent Hovind mocked! Hovind scourged.

      Kent Hovind a name they shall spit upon.

      What was that men will say to each other.. Whatdidja do learn that from Hovind?

        And they laughed him to scorn.

        Thou hast brought him to the dust.

        Hovind poured out like water .

        288 years..

        They pierced his hands and his nailed his feet .
     
      Hovind restricted from travel cannot move about now.

      Yeah, you got him. Nailed that sucker.. 288 years ..

        Hovind crucified.

      With wicked hands, ye took him and slew him .

      They shall part Hovinds garments among them, to every soldier a part, and upon them his vesture.

      Whistle blower collects her pieces of silver.

      Almost time to cast lots, boys. Good bargains at government auction down at Dino Adventure land.

        Go ahead,  bang the drum..and sing your hosannas ye fatted kine .

        Awake, ye drunkards, and weep; and howl, all ye drinkers of wine, because of the new wine; for it is cut off from your mouth.

      Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you.

      A new Hovind will arise. ..

      Then one more.. and after that another, and yet still after that so many others.  My Father can , has and always will raise up for himself new witnesses out of stone. The rocks themselves will sing . ………………………………………………………………………………. . 

        The Lord look upon it and inquires : How long will you do so? Will you never be convinced of your error? Will your malice never have spent itself?”

      And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire

      Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:

    For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD.

It figures someone as bat shit crazy as Hovind would attract equally bat shit crazy fans. Though I have to admit that I’m looking forward to the singing rocks…

44 thoughts on “SEB Mail Bag: “BEHOLD HULK HOGAN NOW ! LOOK UPON THAT MIGHTY KING OF DEBATE”

  1. Regardless of LBJ, or not-taxing churches, or whatever…the Bible DOES say render unto Caesar. So I suppose if going with your government is the right thing biblically, then give or take church and state seperation the guy is commanded by the Bible to pay taxes because that is what the LAW says. The moral: A law is a law, God or not. Slam the joker. They’d do you or me the same way. Some folks think that religion is an excuse for everything. I”m pretty sure religion is a good excuse for suicide bombings and civil war, too, so why not? And THIS guy’s a nut and a half. Thats barely even decipherable, lol. Besides, the Great Christian President is running the government. THAT particular nut seems to want a theocracy, so really that guy’s getting jail time for not paying his tithes to the government.

  2. Wow it was just an endless stream of text.  I think I won’t be able to read anything for awhile after that.  And I am still trying to find a point within that entire diatribe…

  3. KPG: Wow, Don, Reaper and now this.

    At least Don has dispensed with belief in supernatural beings although I dare say his indoctrination over ‘stolen’ years and coming to terms with reality has left him slightly frazzled.
    I make allowances for such madness.  smile

    Aquilaac18@aol.com: a man who gave it everything he had and put everything he owned into spreading the gospel of truth today goes to jail for 288 years.

    A/ He was scamming.
    B/ He faces 288 years – he won’t serve anywhere near that many.
    I’ll be very surprised if he’s ‘asked’ to serve more than 10.

    Churches have never been taxable.

    I am constantly amazed that this archaic right is still a fact.
    Why should the primary, greedy scammers of the world be given the rights of innocent children?
    Oh, you want to push a scam about an invisible man in the sky?
    Cool, you don’t have to pay (property + which other ones?) taxes.
    This is insanity.  smile

    GS83: that guy’s getting jail time for not paying his tithes to the government.

    Well noted. LOL

  4. I wonder how much pot you have to smoke to spew out an email like that? Or maybe that’s an acid letter. It’s not a booze or heroin letter, because it would have been shorter and even less coherent. Definitely not the work of someone with the full use of their brain though.

  5. I wonder how much pot you have to smoke to spew out an email like that? Or maybe that’s an acid letter. It’s not a booze or heroin letter, because it would have been shorter and even less coherent. Definitely not the work of someone with the full use of their brain though.

    I would not *necessarily* say the guy is absolutely batshit (okay, plenty of his opinions are). What this is is a stream-of-conciousness letter – almost unedited rambling.

    Which is why I trust well-edited stuff more than such jumbles. It may be superficial, but if you don’t even have THAT much dignity of belief to put your comments into a reasonable shape, why should I care (I skipped over the last 1/3rd anyway)…

  6. That’s what I mean, it’s incoherent in a similar way to the way people write when they’re on drugs.

    There’s the kernel of an idea in there, but it bounces as if he really isn’t in control over his mind.

    Let this be a lesson to all Xtian fundies: Don’t do drugs, mmmkay?

  7. Im just sayin, the guy’s trying to use church work to get out of taxes. His own Bible says if he’s supposed to pay taxes, it’s wrong of him not to.

  8. You militant atheists pretty much all work from the same script.
    Although viewing yourselves as “free thinkers”, you all have a Party Line you follow rather closely.
    It isn’t difficult to anticipate your arguments on any
    given point.  Most intelligent religious individuals almost always can correctly predict what
    you’ll say next.Interestingly, militant atheists get much of their beliefs about “Christianity” from liberal Christians.
    They’ll pejoratively label all Christians as “Fundies”,
    then presumptively attack liberal theological concepts
    they suppose us “Fundies” subscribe to !
    Nearly all militant atheists are followers of the
    religion of Scientism.  Their priests wear white lab
    coats. Their sacramental objects are the microscope,
    the telescope, and the test tube.  Blasphemy is to
    deny the ultimate authority of science.
    But the militant atheists -the ones who have devoted
    their lives to refuting Christianity- are almost like the
    demons …who believe more firmly in God’s existence
    than do Christians !
    It can unequivocally be stated that militant atheists are some
    of the people who most solidly believe in God !
    Ain’t talking ‘practical atheists’ here …those who don’t
    even think much about atheism.  They’re the true
    atheists.
    Professional atheists who’ve dedicated themselves
    to eradicating the Lord do so because they hate Him.
    They’re the God-haters.
    To which they’ll invariably reply: ‘How can we hate
    something we don’t believe in ?’.
    Exactly !  It’s their belief in God which drives them to
    relentlessly attack Him.
    Run of the mill, everyday ‘practical atheists’ don’t
    give God a second thought.  They’re the ones
    I worry about.
    Whereas militant atheists are fighting against the
    innate knowledge of suppressed in their hearts.
    As a militant atheist I can unequivocally state that there is no time in your life that you
    totally disbelieved in God.  And -in fact- were driven to
    work against the Lord by belief in Him !
    It isn’t that militant atheists don’t believe God exists.
    Instead: That they don’t want God to exist.

  9. For someone that claims atheists make a lot of assumptions and generalizations, you sure do a heck of a lot yourself.  The Militant Atheist you claim to describe is fairly lacking from this site.  Here you’re bound to find much more intellectual atheist and rather accepting people. 

    If you wish to discuss a topic I suggest picking ONE topic and people here would be happy to discuss it with you.  Throwing around labels, name calling, and rash assumptions won’t get you far.

  10. OK, who pissed in this guy’s Wheaties?

    It can unequivocally be stated that militant atheists are some of the people who most solidly believe in God !

    PaoloJoeJingy;  Citations please.

    They’ll pejoratively label all Christians as “Fundies”, then presumptively attack liberal theological concepts they suppose us “Fundies” subscribe to !

    PaoloJoeJingy;  In my experience, atheists generally know the difference between liberal Christians (such as UCC and MCC) and “fundies” (such as Southern Baptist).  The problem is that some Christian churches don’t know if they want to be fundamentalist or not.  Some conservative evangelicals and charismatic sects have started considering themselves to be fundamentalist Christians.  Then there are the Roman Catholics, by definition they are not fundamentalists, but they certainly are not liberal Christians and in many ways have much in common with the fundamentalists.  The term “religious right” is probably a better term to use than “fundamentalist” anyway.

  11. He faces 288 years – he won’t serve anywhere near that many.

    Let’s face it, it would be difficult, unless in 200 years time there is a hard-line prison govenor shouting at his staff “I don’t care if he is just a pile of bones- he’s still got another 88 years to do”.

    you all have a Party Line you follow rather closely.

    We all believe that grass (in general) is green,hitting your thumb with a hammer hurts, and a nice beer or wine is better than cats piss.  That’s not a partyline, it’s an observational truth. When a scientist makes a statement… Oh whats the point, that dickhead won’t come back here, I’ll just be preaching to you lot.

    Apparently the mathematical proof 1+1=2 runs to quite a lot of pages.

  12. He’s not too smart. He tried replying to two of the notification emails he got from new comments being posted to the thread. He’s got the brains of a trout.

  13. PaoloJoeJingy: “…attack liberal theological concepts
    they suppose us “Fundies” subscribe to !”

    “As a militant atheist I can unequivocally state…”

    So… at the start of the post he was a fundie and by the end he was an atheist. That’s some fast conversion!

  14. I’m telling you: It’s the power of drugs.

    People don’t function with those sorts of random, blinking thoughts bouncing around their heads and hold jobs. This guy Paolo is either on something, or he’s basically no good for much more than shitting his pants and calling for his mother to fix him something to eat.

    Fundies is a fun word though. I like it, and I like it more because it’s apparent that it earns a special dump from Paolo Joe.

    Fundies! Fundies! Fundies!
    It’s triple the fun! Triple the death!

    And Paolo, it’s not that the Christian god doesn’t exist. It’s that it’s remarkably unlikely that he exists and it’s apparently irrelevant if he does exist, therefore smart people shouldn’t wet themselves in public trying to defend him. I put him right up there with other unlikely things: Santa Claus, world peace, Thor, and your ability to frame a coherent response with an actual paragraph structure and worked out so that it doesn’t make you look like a putz.

  15. He’s not too smart. He tried replying to two of the notification emails he got from new comments being posted to the thread.

    So he doesn’t quite know how blogs work?  C’mon, you know some smart people who are technologically challenged. 

    Of course, this guy doesn’t seem to be one of them.

  16. I think the point that the writer of the original Email was trying to make is that Hovind shouldn’t have to pay taxes since he claimed to be a church and thus, it’s Christian(tm) persecution(tm), and Hovind is a new martyr.

    To bad that the jury decided that Hovind wasn’t a church given that he required his employees to punch time cards, gave them sick days, and used the earned money on himself.

  17. PaoloJoeJingy: You militant atheists pretty much all work from the same script ……………….. stuff that looked familiar but didn’t really check it all ………… Instead: That they don’t want God to exist.

    I just Googled the first sentence.
    Just as I thought – plagiarism.
    I somehow doubt our fuckwit has any idea about what any of it meant.

    Les: He’s got the brains of a trout.

    I wouldn’t have put him so high up the food chain but … LOL

  18. That’s priceless.

    Oh, the irony. Accuse us of operating from a script, then being found out to have lifted your whole argument entire from somewhere else? I wonder if he’ll show up again, now that he’s got the credibility of…oh wait, he’s got no credibility anymore.

  19. BTW, I did some follow up Googling myself:
    Check out the very same letter to Les first posted

    As such, I think I’m going to pull out my crystal ball and make a preemptive response for “Paolo” for him, in the same spirit as the first two:

    Is it true there is an agenda against Dr. Hovind?

    Count the Wikipedia pages!

    John Wayne Gacy won 5 pages
    Ted Bundy won 12 pages
    Jeffrey Dahmer won 8 pages
    Pol Pot won 14 pages
    Hitler won 37 pages

    But Dr. Kent Hovind has beaten them all and TOPPED OUT AT A WHOPPING 41 PAGES!!

    Look at the thousands upon thousands of anti hovind web sites.

    Satan will not cast out Satan.

    ONLY the truth of my Blessed Lord creates this kind of emnity in the hearts of men

    Ye shall be hated of all men for my name sake.

    Father cannot tell a lie.

    Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

    Christian, let us NOT lift our tongues or even once be found in any manner to join in slander against and scourge a servant of the most high.

    That’s from the same person who posted the initial message to the Pensacola News Journal. Too bad there’s only two messages there, or I could probably continue Paolo’s “deep thinking” for a few more pages.

  20. DOF writes…

    So he doesn’t quite know how blogs work?  C’mon, you know some smart people who are technologically challenged.

    Of course, this guy doesn’t seem to be one of them.

    Indeed he isn’t. He’s still trying to reply to the notification emails even after I told him that his replies won’t end up on the thread nor will they be seen by the person he’s replying to. What’s even more amusing is his response to my email letting him know what an idiot he is:

      From: Jonathan Brandmeier

      Bit of a dim bulb are we?
      The threads I am refering to were viewed directly from the URL prior to signing up.
      [chuckles]

    He actually thinks he’s put me in my place. How friggin’ hilarious is that?

  21. He’s still trying to reply to the notification emails even after I told him…

    OK it’s one thing for a person to miss reading onscreen instructions, or not to grasp how a system works.  But after you told him…

    Golly.  tongue rolleye

  22. MM: The guy’s computer knowledge apparently covers cut and paste though.

    I know there must be a joke about mouse abuse in there somewhere … my synapses must be separating even more; I just can’t think of it. wink

  23. I know there must be a joke about mouse abuse in there somewhere … my synapses must be separating even more; I just can’t think of it.

    Just work from the script, LJ. Just work from the goddamned atheism SCRIPT!

    Yeezus, you people.

  24. mouse abuse

    Is this the thing about using them as tampons?

    I’ve lost it.

    LJ You lost it years ago. Join the club- sit down in the clubhouse and have a beer

  25. sit down in the clubhouse and have a beer

    Nah. My mate has taken his wife to the Gold Coast for a week or so; I’m going sober for a few days … maybe.
    The Melbourne Cup (the race that stops a nation) is on in a few minutes.
    And they’re off!  LOL
    I lost $5.

  26. PaoloJoeJingy/Jonathan Brandmeier has developed some sort of obsession with me. He’s been emailing me all day long and some of the emails even manage to be coherent. I’d say there’s been at least 15 or 20 emails exchanged so far and it’s been pretty easy to egg him on to new heights of idiocy with only a few carefully chosen comments. Now he’s apparently sending out emails to some of you regulars to tell you what a horrible liar I am.

    It’s almost like having my own personal Fundie Stalker.

  27. Just remember to save all the emails and print them out so that the police don’t have an excuse to seize your computers when he comes at you as an agent of the lord with an ax to smite the unbeliever, and to call them up the moment he says something directly threatening.

    Stalkers are scary. I mean, it’s all cute when they’re just ranting and raving in emails, but eventually the sometimes get your address and home phone number and start wanting to talk about your kids. And yeah, I’m not coming from nowhere here.

  28. I answered Jonathan’s mail to me quite politely, requesting more particulars, and he graced me with a reply of sorts (I feel so lucky!):

    Dear Dummy,
    You’re following a liar.
    It’s your forum now deal with it.

    I think we liars should stick together. LOL

  29. I’m beginning to think he can’t be much older than 13 or so with some of the replies he manages to come up with.

  30. I know what you mean MisterMook – I have a close friend who plays on a RP-PVP server in World of Warcraft. She had a guy with what sound like serious emotional problems start falling for her – next thing she knows he’s got her address and phone number and won’t leave her alone. Things are kind of on the level now – she talked the guy down once and severed all contact.

    But then, it’s your life. Even when bad goes worse, you should always be prepared to protect yourself.

  31. So he doesn’t quite know how blogs work?  C’mon, you know some smart people who are technologically challenged.

    Sure do and they are called University Professors!

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