Paolo hasn’t given up quite yet.

Seems Paolo couldn’t resist responding one last time to my last email where I pointed out to him that he was afraid to take the discussion public. Here’s his email with my reply:

    Paolo wrote:

    Oh I am so scared… I tremble all over at the idea of going public…C´mon don´t be ridiculous.

    Then let’s take it public. Prove me wrong. Go to the thread and reply.

    As far as “pasting” and “plagio” I don´t see the problem in taking a line from a web site as long as those thoughts make sense to you. Don´t tell me that you came up with some new theory and wrote them to me to impress me with your insight.

    Of course I didn’t come up with my own theory. I’m a Systems Administrator, not a Biologist. I didn’t just cut and paste text from another website, however, I took the time to actually know what I’m talking about and wrote it out for you. Again, if you’re just going to cut and paste someone else’s work then there’s absolutely no point in speaking to you when I can go to the source if I’m really interested. It’s one thing to cite outside sources, it’s another to substitute their work for your own effort.

    Your 5 points (which by the way I read with interest), don´t stand a chance to prove the evolutionary theory, you are still on the theory field.

    You’re once again demonstrating that you don’t have a clue what ‘science’ or a ‘theory’ actually is. You are scientifically illiterate. That’s not an insult, that’s a statement of fact and the evidence in support of it is the ridiculous claim you made above.

    Here’s a big honkin’ clue for you: NOTHING IN SCIENCE IS PROVEN. NOTHING! The Theory of Evolution along with the Theory of Gravity and Germ Theory and so on will NEVER BE PROVEN. All of science is subject to revision as new data is discovered. Nothing is sacred. Nothing is beyond possibly being replaced if a new and better model is developed. NOTHING. The best science offers is that there is enough overwhelming evidence in support of a theory that it would be ridiculous to assume it to be false and that’s EXACTLY the case with the Theory of Evolution.

    Those weren’t five “points” I listed, those were five FACTS. Facts that provide heavy support to the Theory of Evolution. You didn’t ask me to prove anything, you asked me to provide ONE fact. I gave you FIVE and then you did exactly as I expected you to do and tried to dismiss them out of hand.

    Science can never reproduce the event of evolution ,because it cannot be observed (contrary to what you think)or repeated. Scientific method by definition requires observation and repetion of the object under scrutiny. Science cannot decide whether these events which are in principle unrepeatable and unique ever do occur.

    You’re just reaffirming your ignorance. Evolution is observed all the time. Insects that develop resistances to pesticides or antibacterial resistant bacteria are both examples of Evolution in action and are observed in a laboratory every day. There’s a whole field of science (Evolutionary Biology) that would be impossible if the Theory of Evolution was false. A good number of the medications we have today are the result of our understanding of Evolution. Without it we’d have no way of understanding why some insects and bacteria seem to resist the compounds that we’ve used for decades to kill them. Without Evolution our answer to: Why didn’t that pesticide work is “I don’t know.”

    You also make the mistake of assuming that “observation” means we have to see it happen right in front of our eyes and that’s just not true. Observation also consists of looking at what predictions a theory makes and then seeing if there’s any evidence that backs it up. If Evolution is true we would expect to find representative fossils that match the predictions it makes and there is an overwhelming amount of evidence that backs it up out there in thousands of research papers if you’re willing to take the time to read them.

    Les it´s ok to disagree we are free individual and we have different opinion, I am not a scholar of any kind but, by way of reason I cannot be convinced of the veracity of evolution. It goes beyond any conceivable imagination and it stays there in the imagination realm.

    It’s obvious you’re not a scholar. Here’s a suggestion: Try being one for a change. You don’t have to take my word for it as there are literally THOUSANDS of books out there written on the subject of Evolution many of which are written with the layman in mind. Just because you’re ignorant now doesn’t mean you have to stay that way if you seriously want to know the truth.

    The fact that you are unable to comprehend how Evolution could be true says more about you than it does the theory. But hey, you’re certainly free to continue to hold your uninformed opinion if you really want to. Ignorance is a choice that many people find easier than being educated.

    You can´t prove it…that´s the issue .

    I can’t prove the Theory of Gravity either so try jumping off a house while believing it doesn’t exist and see how well that works out for you.

    The issue is not whether you believe in the unbelievable or not the issue is that you insist on trying to prove what can´t be proven and has never being proved just read what some of the leading biologist and evolutionist themselve have to say about it. One evolutionist said that some time he feels like going into a field with more intellectual honesty:The used car business.

    Who are these “leading biologists and evolutionists” that you’re claiming to speak for here?  Cite your sources. I’ve read a LOT of leading biologists and evolutionists and I don’t know of ANY of them that have made such claims. You’re pushing bullshit here and I’m calling you on it.

    All right if you want to keep this up It´s fine with me just drop your toilet type of language

    Fuck you. You wrote to ME so if you don’t like the type of language I use then you’ve only got your own dumbfuck self to blame for it.

    it´s kind of depressing, use arguments instead ,I might not agree with them ,but at least I might learn something, after all that´s your goal isn´t ?

    You’re immune to arguments. I tested you with one and you failed. You didn’t even bother to try and rebut it with counter evidence, but just ignored it and moved on to the next cut and paste from your favorite Creationist website. I’m probably more familiar with the possible criticisms of the statements I made than you are. You glory in your own ignorance. There are people out there who wonder why the hell I bother wasting my time on people like yourself who seem to be so determined to cling to their idiocy as though it were a life preserver.

I then told him that I was going to post this to my blog and that any further comments from him should be directed here as I won’t be responding to his emails again. Any bets on whether he runs away from the challenge?

27 thoughts on “Paolo hasn’t given up quite yet.

  1. Paolo, study this scripture for a while.
    That should keep you out of trouble! -Allan

    **-And lo, the man came forth and cried out in pain, for he had seen the fast food restaurant and he knew that therein was his burger.
    McDonalds 12:23-25

    shock

  2. P.S. If the theory of gravity has not been proven I invite your to step out of a tenth floor window.
    No wait, let me re-phrase that; “Please step out of a tenth floor window!”

  3. He will not technically “run away from the challenge”…he just will not be able to muster enough brain power to figure out how to register.

  4. What does this Paolo desire by mindlessly sending you taunting emails?  I’ve seen forms of stupidity through video game discussion, but this takes the cake.

  5. Did anyone catch this?  Check out the two posts from Paolo:

    Science can never reproduce the event of evolution ,because it cannot be observed (contrary to what you think)or repeated. Scientific method by definition requires observation and repetion of the object under scrutiny. Science cannot decide whether these events which are in principle unrepeatable and unique ever do occur.

    Amazingly well formulated and thought out argument in response to Les.

    Les it´s ok to disagree we are free individual and we have different opinion, I am not a scholar of any kind but, by way of reason I cannot be convinced of the veracity of evolution. It goes beyond any conceivable imagination and it stays there in the imagination realm.

    WTF, not only is this a pretty crappy statement that does nothing to further his point, but the sentence is ill-structured and there are obvious grammatical mistakes.  I call copy and paste on this guy again and that is the reason we won’t see him here.  He knows he would get his ass handed to him.

  6. What does this Paolo desire by mindlessly sending you taunting emails?

    Because people (like him) desire to have the last word. Even if its just re-iterating their previous positions in more or less the same words.

    Saying the mantras also helps prevent any doubts that might have (against all odds) crept in from associating with the evil evolutionists.

  7. Science and religion are two different languages.  How can you argue in two different languages?

    Have a beer and get satisfaction in death answering all of this, thereby guaranteeing the answer for all of us.  Dare your opponent to find the answer before you and challenge him to report back.  If he reports back he is not dead and does not have the answer.

    I will toil with finding the truth until death delivers it.  My goal in the mean time is to enjoy as much beer as I can before the truth levels me.

    Craig

  8. Science and religion are two different languages.  How can you argue in two different languages?

    Loudly. And usually not very creatively.

    I bet $10 he does not have the balls to post here.

    Who would take that bet?

  9. My mental picture mind-ray says that Paolo is likely in his midteens to early twenties, read or watched some basic rebuttal on television or in a pamphlet at the summer camp he was molested at, and isn’t being taught basic science mostly because no one expects much of the kids that ride the short bus much anyways. But he could probably kick my ass at Quake, and flips a mean hamburger. Way to go Paolo!

    Here’s a hint: If your vocalized debates with other people go this poorly for you, then maybe you should capitalize on shutting the fuck up and listening more rather than running your mouth.

  10. My mental picture…  …shutting the fuck up and listening more rather than running your mouth.

    If he answers after this, and other comments, his first post will be very aggrieved…

  11. But he could probably kick my ass at Quake

    I’ll bet $10 that Paolo couldn’t kick my ass at Quake: my screen name alone would get his panties all bunched up, and by the time he straightened them out, it’d be all over…  tongue wink

  12. I’ll bet $10 that Paolo couldn’t kick my ass at Quake

    Is this geekspeak for my muscles are bigger than yours?

  13. Here’s a typical T.V. detective movie in Paolos’ world.

    Detective- We found your fingerprints all over the murder weapon.

    Criminal- Did you actually see me use it?

    Detective- No….but the prints are undeniable.

    Criminal- You have NO PROOF. You saw nothing.

    Detective- Look fella…your semen is all over the place. We’ve matched your DNA.

    Criminal- If you didn’t actually observe the semen leaving my body….what you’re spewing is just a theory. YOU HAVE NO PROOF!

    Detective- What about these footprints which perfectly match your highly rare shoe type?

    Criminal- Did you see me step there?

    Detective- Not exactly.

    Criminal- You’ve got no proof then. You’re just guessing…..badly.

    Detective- You have blood which matches the victim all over you. How do you explain that?

    Criminal- Did you see this blood get on me?

    Detective- No. The spray pattern and condition of the blood all point to the fact that you must have been in the path of the bleeding artery at the time and place where the victim was killed though.

    Criminal- More guessing. Is there anything else you’re any good at? You may want to consider a new line of work.

    Detective- I guess you can go now. Sorry to have bothered you. Roll credits.
    ________________________________________________

  14. Actually direct evolution has been observed and its processes have been used in the analysis of bacterial cultures.  Wish he would actually come on to this board so I can rip him to shreds.  I’m a biology major and this guy is obviously in need of a good “talk”.  People like him who say that evolution is wrong without even suggesting the hint of a counter theory are just spouting dogma.

  15. People like him who say that evolution is wrong without even suggesting the hint of a counter theory are just spouting dogma.—Psychromorbidus

    You already know his ilk’s boilerplate answer!

    Sing it along with me: “God did it. The end.”

  16. Does anyone know a good forum where a vast majority of people like Paolo congregate?  I suddenly have a horrid urge to flame fuzzy logic and drown fundies with technical information that they won’t bother reading anyway.

    Paolo reminded me that my quota has been down for the last month.  Wish I had hate mail sometimes like Les.  Does anyone else drag religious solicitors into lengthy debates over why are you wasting my time?  It’s great fun when they start squirming in their shoes!

  17. Psychro, you remind me of the masochist who asked the sadist to hurt him and the sadist said: No! smile

  18. Psychro, you remind me of the masochist who asked the sadist to hurt him and the sadist said: No!

    LOL LOL LOL  After a three hour graduate class that was just what I needed.

  19. LuckyJohn: Psychro, you remind me of the masochist who asked the sadist to hurt him and the sadist said: No!

    I have a T-shirt depicting that joke. It frequently receives double-takes when I wear it in public.  LOL

  20. Does anyone else drag religious solicitors into lengthy debates over why are you wasting my time?  It’s great fun when they start squirming in their shoes!

    I’ve found it very difficult to get fundies to squirm in their shoes, Psychro, because when the going gets tough, they just defenestrate reason and reply as Dirk said above: “God did it. The end.”

  21. Psychro: Does anyone know a good forum where a vast majority of people like Paolo congregate?

    You could try Fundies Say The Damndest Things – there are plenty of links to the sort of sites you’re seeking.
    It’s always a good site to brighten one’s day … if a day needs brightening.
    Just a word of warning though – do not drink from a cup or glass over the keyboard or whilst facing the screen.  LOL

  22. It’s easy to dismiss the rants of a guy like this but what totaly amazes me is how an occasional scientist (a real one) can also believe this shit. Although I have to admit that any “scientist” that does express doubt about evolution is in a different field than biology, anthropology, etc. (I think)

  23. Well, moses, the poster boy of the ID movement, Dr. Michael Behe, is a biochemist.  Of course, Behe’s poster boy status is a bit tarnished among some by his sorry performance on the witness stand in Dover last year.  Yes, there are a few biologists who do believe in this shit, and even some (unlike Behe) who don’t earn money doing so.  However, they are greatly outnumbered by the number of scientists named Steve who don’t believe in it.

    Intelligent Design is Creationism in a cheap tuxedo.

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