Southern Baptists want an ‘Exit Strategy’ from public schools.

Apparently upset that Public Schools have this bad habit of educating their kids, delegates to the Southern Baptist Convention are asking the group to come up with an exit strategy for yanking their kids out of school:

Delegates at last year’s annual meeting passed a resolution urging parents and churches to “to exercise their rights to investigate diligently the curricula, textbooks, and programs in our community schools.”

“We are commanded biblically to train our children in the nurture of the Lord,” said Roger Moran of Troy, Mo., who sits on the executive committee and offered the proposal with Texas author Bruce Shortt. “The public schools are no longer allowed … to even acknowledge the God of the Bible.”

Moran, who owns a company that makes construction supplies, is a father of nine children, ages 18 months to 18 years. All have been home-schooled or attended Christian schools, he said.

“Everything that I believe as a Bible-believing Christian is not allowed to be taught in the public schools,” he said.

Because we all know that Belief trumps Fact any day of the week. Their slogan should be: We’re Southern Baptists and we’re working hard to keep our kids stupid by any means possible!

111 thoughts on “Southern Baptists want an ‘Exit Strategy’ from public schools.

  1. He should be worried about his family—this being so close to 06/06/06, and he has children aged 18 months (6+6+6 months!) to 18 years (6+6+6 years!)

    I mean, if you’re going to be this big a Moron, why not go all out, Moran?

  2. The bible also says, among other things, “If thine eye offends thee, pluck it out…” Is Roger Moron going to do that too?

  3. My cousin, who’s an extreme born-again, home-schooled her 5 kids until they reached High School age.  The 2nd child recently reached High School age.  Both kids are in honors classes with straight A’s.  All are fairly well adjusted.  Except I fear for their reality and sanity sometimes, since I distinctly remember my cousin telling the first born when he was 4 or so, when he asked for a piece of candy, “No you cannot have a piece of candy.  Candy is bad.  Jesus doesn’t want you to have the bad candy.  Do you want to burn in hell for having the bad candy?  You will burn in hell forever!  Do you want to burn in hell?  DO YOU?!?!”  Which her son responded with bawling in fear of burning forever in hell for wanting to have a piece of candy.  *sigh*

  4. A Trebuchet would be far more entertaining and get a better range.

    Some years ago, there was an article in Scientific American about trebuchets (that’s a “Trebok” to you, elwed LOL ).  The authors covered the history, and described how they built their own.  It was not nearly as big as the giant ones the Arabs built in the Middle Ages (when Islam was still supportive of science), but still powerful enough for a memorable SA cover: a compact car flying serenely over the English countryside…

  5. Does anybody know whatever happened to the push from certain fundy groups to get South Carolina mainly populated by their ilk?  I think their ultimate goal was to secede from the union and form a “christian” nation? 

    Personally, I would support this as long as we take away all the federally funded things that have been placed there like roads, communication lines and military bases.  I find it amusing that people like Moran here want to seperate themselves and their families from the big bad world, but they never seem to actually go all in on the idea. 

    I would think that since there are so many of them that think the rest of society is so terrible, they really would all band together and live seperate from the rest of us.  Maybe they’re not actually interested in being seperated, just hearing themselves speak? 

    If it did happen, the only down side I could see is that the state of South Carolina would no longer be any good for tourism (I hear it’s pretty nice there.)  Oh yeah, and all the children who would be brainwashed without much hope of ever seeing any alternative to their parents’ beliefs, that would be worse than a hit to tourism.

  6. Yea, close-mindedness is certainly a downside to religion.  My brother met a girl in college that grew up in Kansas, a state that is apparently very religious, and she had a lot of preconceived notions about the world.  One of them being that God makes people poor for a reason, and the usual anti-science beliefs.  He said it was a huge wake up call for her.  She argued teachers in class, and finally did some research and found many interesting things.  One of them being that she thinks he religion is all bunk.  She was almost ex-communicated from the family over the whole ordeal, and was very stressed out.  All due to a belief structure.

  7. Moran, who owns a company that makes construction supplies, is a father of nine children, ages 18 months to 18 years. All have been home-schooled or attended Christian schools, he said.

    “Everything that I believe as a Bible-believing Christian is not allowed to be taught in the public schools,

  8. Personally, I’ve decided that since “Christian” is such a blanket term, covering everything from snake-handling Primitive Baptists to Roman Catholics to Unitarians to Ethiopian Coptic Christians, that I am just going to call the extremists who want to force their beliefs down your throat UltraChristians.

    Perhaps someday we can have UltraChristian ghettos, places where they are safe amongst their own kind, free to be just as ignorant and hateful as they want.  Now, I’d rather they didn’t take South Carolina, as I like to drive from Georgia to North Carolina once in a while and I-85 is awfully convenient for that.  But I’d rather contain them there than have these wingnuts get their way.

  9. I am just going to call the extremists who want to force their beliefs down your throat UltraChristians.

    I call them Christianists, similar to Islamists.

  10. My four sisters in law went to public school for the first part of their childhood. Because of horrible experiences they all began to attend a private christian school. Their grades shot up through the roof, their self esteem went up and now they are all in college earning no less than 3.8 gpa’s. Many public schools are a joke. There is no discipline, no structure. You people are funny. You don’t realize that all those “facts” that you learb in school arent worth crap if you dont believe in God. As of right now you will all be going to hell but hey at least youll know your algebra.

  11. Meggi: … but hey at least youll (sic) know your algebra.

    Oh, Meggi darling – I heard Hovind say that. Try to get away from the parrot stuff – you’re giving evolution a bad name. It was ultra-dumb and stupid when he said it too. Anyway, I can’t remember any algebra.
    I have two nephews in the state system here in Oz. They get pissed off if they don’t top the classes they attend with 90%+ in everything. Admittedly they don’t carry a religious cross round with them like your SILs did (which is probably why they were treated like shit).

    Many public schools are a joke.

    I’d have to agree with you that they probably are in America, especially since seeing this:



    During the video there was much talk about the dumbing down of America – IDesign and Godidit isn’t going to help matters.
    Just think, you’ll have to import millions of Chinese to do your science research.
    Should make you feel warm all over.

    As of right now you will all be going to hell

    Can’t wait. The weather may be nicer in heaven but in hell, you meet a better class of people … *sigh* if only it was real instead of made up shit to keep you down, conservative and obedient. LOL

  12. Megiddo, Megiddo, Megiddo.  Don’t you get it?  We’re not buying it.  We’re not going to Hell, because there is no Hell.  The Invisible Pink Unicorn has promised me this.  Why should I believe in this humorless Jesus, or in His really twisted Father, when Her Holy Pinkness is so much nicer, and just as believable?

  13. But Zilch! Meg told me that I’m going to meet John in hell, so that’s something to look forward to, right? Party all the time, blaspheme all we want, wine, dine, sex, sex, sex! And Satan’s a pretty hedonistic guy, so I’ll take his company over God’s any time of day. Ol’ Beelzebub is rumored to be bacchanalian in the extreme—my kind of guy. Sort of the original Jim Morrison, if you will.

    LOL

    Speaking of partying, it’s my birthday. Wheeeeeeeeeee!

  14. Well Meg if our public schools are so crappy lets send everyone to your private christian schools.  Oh wait, how will the poor afford it.  Yes, why fix a major problem in this country when we can just avoid it, FUCK PUBLIC SCHOOLS RIGHT!?

  15. We’re all going to hell?  Hell, the music’s going to be finest kind: jazz (as long as they don’t let Chet Baker in, or if they do they should wire his jaws and break his trumpet), blues and rock venues non-stop.  Mozart too: he had a pottymouth on him so he’s probably in residence.  I’ll be the one shuttling between Gerry Mulligan leading his own Quartet c. 1954, guesting with the Dave Brubeck Trio c1970 and the 24/7/eternity Mozart concertos smoking a cored out Havana stuffed with weed.  Heaven.  I mean Hell.

  16. Happy birthday, Sadie!  Maybe you could celebrate by being a guest speaker at a public school ralley and talking about diversity.  (Sound of S. Baptists’ heads exploding)

  17. Megadope said: As of right now you will all be going to hell but hey at least youll know your algebra.

    Sure, and you’ll be in Heaven, but you probably still won’t know your contractions.

    Seriously, it’s hateful Christians like you that make Hell seem so much more attractive if Heaven’s where you’re going to be.

    And the four sisters-in-law story; did they marry your quadruplet brothers or something? Shouldn’t at least one of them be out of college by now?

    You don’t realize that all those “facts

  18. You know, the more I think about it, it’s almost like someone is playing a joke on us with Mega-dodo.

    Am I just paranoid?

  19. Webs don’t say such things.  Even in jest.  My Funny Valentine.  Ig Gak.  We have the same problem in the UK: poor (but improving) state schools with a parallel religious sector whose schools achieve consistently higher average standards and grades.  Parents pretent to be Xians to get their kids into church schools.  As with many public sector jobs, teachers are underpaid and appreciated.  My grip is that in non-denominational state schools religion is still taugt but secular philosophy is not.  It should be.  University College London was founded as a place for the non-Anglican intelligent to get a University education.  The religious right are well-organized and it won’t do to let the atheist state sector drift.  We need philosophies to teach, teachers to teach them and leaders and lead the movement.  Right.  I must resume my through and forensic shoeing of the European Union Recreational Craft Directive back home on Lunartalks.  Do pop over in about half an hour to see the full ‘orreur, mes amis sans Dieu.

  20. Happy Birthday Sadie. smile

    Brock: … did they marry your quadruplet brothers or something?

    It was more than likely ‘or something’. LOL

  21. I must say, I am shocked at the many instances of intolerance exhibited in these comments. These folks are simply embracing an “alternative lifestyle,” and you are being insensitive and hateful. I thought this was a free country; maybe I was mistaken. I also thought that our founding fathers were activists; I guess I was wrong about that too. So, only CERTAIN people are allowed to unite in purpose and take a stand for something they belive in? Only CERTAIN people are allowed to take action to change circumstances they feel are injust and/or immoral? I’ve been considering the idea that a series of “trade-offs” (so to speak) would not only be amusing, but possibly beneficial to us all in some kind of twisted way. For example, maybe the Christians will give up “In God We Trust” on coinage if atheists will admit that they are, in fact, religious people. (Go ahead, get mad about that statement and then ask yourself if you think that Christians wouldn’t be equally offended.) Or how about if Christians agree to exile Benny Hinn in return for an admission that evolution is no less a fantastic story than the creationist’s version? I would like to personally be in charge of such an arrangement. Go ahead, hate me; I’m the new revolutionary in your secular humanist, dogmatic religious movement. I will use your tactics on the young to convince them to question the authorities, who happen to wear white lab coats and have followers who call their theories “fact.” I will use your rebellious spirit against you to make things right again. And please persecute us; it’s the best evangelism tool a Christian could possess. Semper Fi.

  22. Ouch Sadie. I feel persecuted and disempowered. My feelings are hurt by your insensitivity. I don’t understand why you are so intolerant of my freedom to choose my own religious beliefs, AND have everyone approve of them, too. You must be a Christophobe. I must go cry now.

  23. Dear Sadie:

      Shouldn’t you be pregnant and barefoot somewhere? Who let a WOMAN on here? Blogs are no place for a woman. Better watch out; I’ll start rallying the white, able-bodied heterosexual male ruling class to take away your right to vote again. Our biggest sin is our failure to oppress effectively. I wonder what genius said that before me?

  24. And moist?

    If worshipped properly, elwed.
    Sadie- Happy Birthday, and Many More- in Hell!

    You know, the more I think about it, it’s almost like someone is playing a joke on us with Mega-dodo.

    Brock, I wonder too, and also about this ed guy.  Are they just more godless pranksters pulling our collective leg, or has invidious fundamentalism turned them so far around that they are parodies of themselves?  This would merely be an academic question, but I’m afraid they can vote.

  25. Ed, do you know anything about science at all?

    I mean, you do know that a theory to scientists is different than a theory to the laity? I would assume you would, as I’m certain you wouldn’t talk about evolution without much in depth research.

    Oh, wait…

  26. Ed, mate, I’m not as smart as most others who play here so I’ll just score cheap KISS shots.

    Ed: … if atheists will admit that they are, in fact, religious people.

    When I hear religion I usually associate it with an Omnimax being.
    Seeing as I’m 100% sure that no such being exists I can’t see how the leap is made that I’m religious.

    Ed: … evolution is no less a fantastic story than the creationist’s version?

    As just said I don’t believe in any Omnimax so I find any theory other than Godidit much more convincing, on principle.
    Actually, I think Raël’s theory is much more credible than the invisible being theory.
    Next you’ll be telling us that you believe in virgin births.
    It’s much more credible that our ancestors were from another star system than our being the only beings in the universe.
    The babble suggests that god made us in his image – I think it’s the other way round and, you made him in your image.

    Ed: Go ahead, hate me;

    You’re not important enough to hate – I don’t waste emotion on nothing … I’m far too apathetic.

    Ed: I will use your rebellious spirit against you to make things right again.

    Ha ha. Having a bit of an ego-power trip are you? A typically elitist xian attitude.

    Ed: And please persecute us

    I don’t do persecution. It’s a xian thing. You are after all the masters of persecution game with 100s of years of practice.
    I’m into tolerance for all, no matter how silly, as long as they follow the edict of: Harm none.

    Ed: I don’t understand why you are so intolerant of my freedom to choose my own religious beliefs,

    As someone much smarter than I once said, and I will paraphrase: I don’t give a fuck that you believe in shit; just don’t throw it at me.

    I’m sorry people. I had a few beers and the baby was crying, so I fed it. LOL

  27. poor state schools

    Depends on the school.

    My grip is that in non-denominational state schools religion is still taugt but secular philosophy is not.

    Religeous assembly is a legal requirement in the UK (the whole state religeon thing).  Before lots of yanks get up in arms think- How many Fundies does the state sector produce. 0. In fact its a great recruiting ground for indifference to religeon- bored by it at school, don’t bother with it later.

    Sadie: Deal with it.

    Sadie, your usually such a sweetie.  It comments like this that breed anti-US feeling.  Obviously SEB is hardly going to cause terrorism (unless Pat Robinson find Les’ home address), but the whole ‘Tough, we’ve done it, get over it.’ seems to pervade US Foriegn Policy.

    Before any of you respond in a similar manner to this post just think how you would feel if the other 96% of us said to 9/11 “It’s happened, get over it”.  How about if ID is taught in your kids schools (ok, not you sadie smile ), the fundies say “Well we’re doing it, deal with it and shut up”?  Bush undermines US democracy- “shut up and deal with it”. 

    However, back on thread…

    Dear Fundies,
    If you don’t like the teaching of facts, this is one situation where (despite what I’ve just said) you will have to accept it.  To misquote Scotty- “I cannae change the laws of science”

  28. PS. I usually hate posts that are just insults to points people make. however

    every thing ed said

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    Sorry about that- I feel better now

  29. zilch: If worshipped properly,

    Now there’s a personal deity.

    I wonder too, and also about this ed guy.

    Possible. The timing of their appearance and L4T’s post on RuptureReady is just a bit too suggestive, though. If anybody really cares, search RR and/or google for the screen names and email addresses and see what pops up. If Les or I really cared, we might be moved to search the sundry server logs for their IPs.

    Come to think of it, correlating servers logs between the regulars here might be amusing. I have plently of unused Google Analytics profiles and it might be interesting to set up a composite profile. But whatever.

    Unless (T)ed is a regular pulling a prank, I doubt he’s up to anything other than the Megwhatever dude – to irritate liberals. While these smegmatic pollutions aren’t worth getting bothered about, there are a few spots that could use some soap.

    (T)ed: I must say, I am shocked at the many instances of intolerance exhibited in these comments. These folks are simply embracing an “alternative lifestyle,

  30. zilch wrote:

    (when Islam was still supportive of science)

    You mean unlike in the 20th century when the Egyptian Arab Muslim Geologist, Dr. Farouk el-Baz was instrumental in turning the NASA moon missions into real scientific endovors instead of a bunch of cowboys riding giant fireworks hell bent on beating the commies and nothing more!? To name just one example of modern science carried out by believing Muslims!? Islam still supports science way more than than America’s Protestants but, since it fits with the Islam is the (only) enemy of ‘freedom’ and ‘civilisation’ we just have to keep up with the stereotypes, don’t we?

  31. You mean unlike in the 20th century when the Egyptian Arab Muslim Geologist

    One Muslim scientist does not modern-day Islam a science-friendly religion make.

    since it fits with the Islam is the (only) enemy of ‘freedom’ and ‘civilisation’ we just have to keep up with the stereotypes, don’t we?

    Oh, stuff it. Islam is what Islam does and if you want to make a case that the pursuit of science in Islamic nations is free from religious interference, go right ahead.

    I don’t doubt that both Christianity and Islam can be interpreted in a way that views the gathering of scientific knowledge as an illumination of their respective deity’s glorious designs and something to be encouraged instead of stifled. In either religion, such an attitude is incompatible with a literalist interpretation of scripture. There’s also no doubt that during what we call the Dark Middle Ages, science in Islamic nations was head and shoulders above what Christian nations were reduced to by Christianity.

    It’s too bad that fundamentalists on either side want to reestablish the gaps for their deities to hide in.

  32. Ed/Ted writes…

    Go ahead, hate me;

    Hate you? I love you! You’re hilarious! I haven’t laughed so hard at a comment in a long time. Keep up the good work!

    Incidentally, Ed/Ted is one and the same. It appears he just typoed once as he used the same email address on both comments. I don’t think it was an intentional bit of puppet commenting. If it was, it was pretty sad.

    Megadoodoo is a different IP address altogether. He’s not as funny as Ted/Ed is either.

  33. LH: It comments like this that breed anti-US feeling.  Obviously SEB is hardly going to cause terrorism (unless Pat Robinson find Les’ home address), but the whole ‘Tough, we’ve done it, get over it.’ seems to pervade US Foriegn Policy.

    True, and I’m no fan whatsoever of current U.S. foreign policy. It’s just that, with recent experience with trolls such as Megadope, I’ve developed the suspicion that logic and diplomacy have little or no positive effect on these people.

  34. For adherents of religions that purportedly are religions of love, Islamists and Christianists alike seem to thrive on provoking hate – instead of gaining ground on merit.

    What does it tell you that (T)ed is so eager to martyr himself?

  35. I popped over to AiG to browse and found this
    Arguements Creationists should not use
    It appears to be a major retraction of most of the arguements the Trolls here use. Shall we not bother arguing, not even tell them to link to TalkOrigins- just to THEIR AIG site (oh the sweet sweet irony)

    Best of all the page links to thisHow Can we see distant stars in a young universe?  The closest to a Creationist ‘We’ve fucked up’ you will ever see.  It says that Light wasn’t faster back then, as many creatists claim. It argues that as Einstein showed Time/Gravity/Light are related, then the ‘Six Days’ were longer, Not because the six days were longer, but that time moved slower because of Gravity.  At first I though- Hmm don’t know enough to refute, but its has just struck me given they quote

    Time = Distance / Speed

    and if D and S havent changed T must have doesnt that mean S HAS decayed- the light moves father because T is longer.  If T=1/2, then C=600,000 kps.  It is because it is (ahem) relative….

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