Rolling Stone asks “Was the 2004 Election Stolen?”

There’s a very well researched and deeply troubling article available on Rolling Stone’s website titled Was the 2004 Election Stolen? that is worth a read.

Like many Americans, I spent the evening of the 2004 election watching the returns on television and wondering how the exit polls, which predicted an overwhelming victory for John Kerry, had gotten it so wrong. By midnight, the official tallies showed a decisive lead for George Bush—and the next day, lacking enough legal evidence to contest the results, Kerry conceded. Republicans derided anyone who expressed doubts about Bush’s victory as nut cases in ‘‘tinfoil hats,’’ while the national media, with few exceptions, did little to question the validity of the election. The Washington Post immediately dismissed allegations of fraud as ‘‘conspiracy theories,’’ and The New York Times declared that ‘‘there is no evidence of vote theft or errors on a large scale.’‘

But despite the media blackout, indications continued to emerge that something deeply troubling had taken place in 2004. Nearly half of the 6 million American voters living abroad never received their ballots—or received them too late to vote—after the Pentagon unaccountably shut down a state-of-the-art Web site used to file overseas registrations. A consulting firm called Sproul & Associates, which was hired by the Republican National Committee to register voters in six battleground states, was discovered shredding Democratic registrations. In New Mexico, which was decided by 5,988 votes, malfunctioning machines mysteriously failed to properly register a presidential vote on more than 20,000 ballots. Nationwide, according to the federal commission charged with implementing election reforms, as many as 1 million ballots were spoiled by faulty voting equipment—roughly one for every 100 cast.

The reports were especially disturbing in Ohio, the critical battleground state that clinched Bush’s victory in the electoral college. Officials there purged tens of thousands of eligible voters from the rolls, neglected to process registration cards generated by Democratic voter drives, shortchanged Democratic precincts when they allocated voting machines and illegally derailed a recount that could have given Kerry the presidency. A precinct in an evangelical church in Miami County recorded an impossibly high turnout of ninety-eight percent, while a polling place in inner-city Cleveland recorded an equally impossible turnout of only seven percent. In Warren County, GOP election officials even invented a nonexistent terrorist threat to bar the media from monitoring the official vote count.

I admit that I dismissed some of the early claims that the election was rigged by the GOP, but this article makes it hard to come to any other conclusion. We already know that Al Gore should have been President back in 2000, but that incident pales in comparison to what it appears the GOP got away with in 2004. If there were that many people out there willing to undermine the electoral process to get their man into the White House at any cost then what hope do we have that any future elections can be considered legitimate and fair? For that matter, if the MSM is just going to ignore what seems to be obvious evidence of fraud then how will we ever hold the people who perpetrate this bullshit accountable?

25 thoughts on “Rolling Stone asks “Was the 2004 Election Stolen?”

  1. My default position is that all politicians, Republican, Democratic, or other, are more or less corrupt, or they wouldn’t be in office.  However, given the new records in sliminess set by the current Republican Administration, I find this report all too believable.

  2. Even loony-left Salon Magazine says this story is a steaming pile of manure.  Or is Salon part of the vast right-wing conspiracy now too?

    zilch: My default position is that all politicians, Republican, Democratic, or other, are more or less corrupt, or they wouldn’t be in office.

    Well, here’s something we can agree on.  We need to elect staunch conservatives who are committed to reducing the size of government.

    Here’s something I don’t understand about lefties: If you tell them that personal ownership of firearms is an important check on the excesses of government, most will accuse you of being a paranoid nut-job, and tell you that the “well regulated militia” of the Second Ammendment means the National Guard.

    Yet these are the same folks who think the last two elections were stolen???

    If they really, deep-down, believe that the elections were stolen—why aren’t they joining the NRA and trying to get private ownership of machine guns legalized*?  Why aren’t they calling Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton and demanding that they back off the gun control rhetoric?

    *NOTE: Private ownership of machine guns is, in fact, legal.  You need a $200 license from the Treasury Dept.  About 103,000 fully automatic weapons are in private hands today.  Over the past 50 years, no civilian has ever used a legally owned machine gun in a violent crime.

  3. If you tell them that personal ownership of firearms is an important check on the excesses of government, most will accuse you of being a paranoid nut-job, and tell you that the “well regulated militia

  4. Say, Last Hussar, I notice you’re from the United Kingdom.

    As it happens, your country and my country have already performed this experiment—quite a while ago in fact.  The most powerful, organized, and professional army of its day versus a ragtag group of civilians armed mostly with their own weapons.

    Care to guess who won?

  5. Daryl: If they really, deep-down, believe that the elections were stolen—why aren’t they joining the NRA and trying to get private ownership of machine guns legalized*?

    What makes you think that many have not? I’m not one of them (then again, I don’t truly believe that the 2004 election was stolen per se, although I was supremely disappointed with its outcome), but I’ve known my share of liberals who are staunch supporters of the NRA and the like’s interpretation of the second amendment.

  6. your country and my country have already performed this experiment

    No they haven’t.  I suggest you actually read some history.  The circumstances were entirely different.

    ragtag group of civilians armed mostly with their own weapons.

    That’s a very inaccurate description of the 18th century French army.

  7. Damn that’s the problem with an all powerful being- doesn’t matter what security you put on, if you leave your terminal for a couple of minutes he can use it. The bugger left his name on my ‘Remember my personal information’.  And I think he has ‘borrowed’ the last of the bacon. (apparently when you’re God, Leviticus doesn’t count)

  8. James Mason: That’s a very inaccurate description of the 18th century French army.

    Indeed. It is questionable whether we could have pulled it off without the aid of the French. They did that for us and gave us Lady Liberty, and how do we thank them? Two words: “freedom fries.”  oh oh

  9. It has been said of the AWI ‘The British won every battle except the last one’- factually inaccurate, but you need to look at the sentiment.  Interestingly enough a big part of the loss at Yorktown is because the Royal Navy was much better than the French navy. Both navies were sailing to help their forces. The RN overtook the French they were chasing (due to better ships and better dicipline), but as it happened at night did not relise, and arrived first, but still expecting a chase. They couldn’t find the enemy- who should have been in front of them, and ended up out of position, allowing the French navy to help their troops.

    Afterwards Cornwallis borrowed money from his French counterpart to throw him a banquet to honour him, where the recent enemies dined together.  The Colonists refused to attend- they did not understand for these two professional soldiers the battle had not been personal.

    The rebellion copuld have been crushed in the early months, but British generals refused to bring the full firepower on those who were still ‘British’ no matter how ‘misguided’.

  10. Les’ stuff: A precinct in an evangelical church in Miami County recorded an impossibly high turnout of ninety-eight percent, while a polling place in inner-city Cleveland recorded an equally impossible turnout of only seven percent.

    Daryl? This is either a fact or a lie.
    Doesn’t this stimulate you to question any of this … even just a leeeetle bit?
    Or, have you been so nicely programmed to retort with the obvious ‘lefty, tree-hugging, paranoid sour-grapes-ers’.
    I don’t know of another country that uses ‘lefty’ as a synonym for gay-lesbian-communist-socialist and anything else opposed to outright Soulless Corporate Capitalism.
    Are you so frightened of the other side of politics that you’ll turn a blind eye to anything God’s Own Party does?
    One day, if you live long enough, all this is gonna come round and bite you on the arse and you’ll wonder why.
    But getting back to the main point, you have to wonder how complicit the fourth estate was in all this. confused
    I just went back for a peruse to see if anything else hit me between the peepers and saw this:

    We need to elect staunch conservatives

    Ah, Conservatives.
    How the world has progressed due to the action of conservatives … NOT.
    The USA would not have existed if it’d been left to conservatives.
    Radicals, those thinking outside the square, those unhappy with the status quo, are the only ones who have EVER pushed for change and shaped change.
    Name any change that’s occurred in the world, from the ‘founder of xianity’ to Bill Gates, your founding fathers, slavery abolitionists – I can’t be bothered thinking of more examples – ALL the changers were Radicals.
    And you DC, expect us to bow before Conservatives.
    Not fuckin likely, mate.
    Ah. Feel better now. LOL

  11. I don’t know of another country that uses ‘lefty’ as a synonym for gay-lesbian-communist-socialist and anything else opposed to outright Soulless Corporate Capitalism.

    Right wing British press

  12. I don’t know of another country that uses ‘lefty’ as a synonym for gay-lesbian-communist-socialist and anything else opposed to outright Soulless Corporate Capitalism.

    Right wing British press

    Yeah, I know. Ours too.
    I think I fucked up a bit there whilst having my minor tantrum. LOL
    I could have worded that so much better.
    I could simply have said that Right-wingers usually &/or often use the word ‘lefty’ to mean such and such. wink

  13. Daryl: We need to elect staunch conservatives.

    Okay, this cracked me up. Daryl seems to think that this is the solution to a large, out-of-control, corrupt, intrusive government. But wait! Aren’t all three branches of government currently led by “staunch conservatives?” Aren’t the people pushing for a nationwide definition of marriage “staunch conservatives?” Aren’t those responsible for instigating illegal wiretaps and other intrusive policy “staunch conservatives?”

  14. This thread and the IP address/phone record thread are converging so I might just post this in both threads.

    Last_Hussar:
    Good idea- NRA rebel and try and overthrow any government they don’t like.

    If the only way you can keep a check on government is armed rebellion, then this is surely the definition of a failing state.

    There can be no rebellion if there is no government. wink Nearly all of our currently elected politicians tend more towards some brand of authoritarianism than libertarianism.  There is no hope so long as this is true.  If they ask for our phone records and internet logs then what is going to stop them from discriminating beyond the realm of voter registration and voting places.  Why won’t they come straight at the opposition parties and groups?

    The government has power because we grant them the power by our obedience to follow their mandates.  If the government abuses its power it is only because we allowed them to.  Society needs to stop relying on other things to make their decisions for them whether it be elected officials or technology.  This existence is ours to live and live we should.  No more deferment.  We must take responsibility for how we allow the world to work.  Global warming and peak oil are looming fast and what will any government do about it if they are in the pockets of profit seeking gluttonous corporations?

    If we want our freedom we have only to act upon it.  We are free and nothing can stop us from acting in any way that we choose.  If we want our world to last longer than two generations it is up to us to live in less wasteful ways than we currently do.  All the environmental legislation can only do so little.  Westerners demand lives of luxury and the world is paying the price for our gluttony.

    An anarchist revolution is the only hope of a world that can reverse or significantly dampen the current state of our self-destruction.  When the multinational corporations and fascist governments can’t seek their own pleasure then it will be up to the people to create a better world.  Individual responsibility is where a better world begins.  A revolution of the compassionate and incomplacent peoples must destroy the hindrances to mankind; those structures of our own creation to bring us to “comfortable living.”  One persons comfort means anothers sacrifice.  How many people from third world nations have we indirectly enslaved to manufacture our comfort for us?  How many people starve so we can have the luxury of five meals a day?

    I tell you: one must still have chaos in one, to give birth to a dancing star. I tell you: ye have still chaos in you.

    Alas! There cometh the time when man will no longer give birth to any star. Alas! There cometh the time of the most despicable man, who can no longer despise himself.

    Lo! I show you the last man.

    ~Friedrich Nietzsche in Thus Spoke Zarathustra

  15. Unfortunately this is one of those sentiments that doesn’t work.  Anarchism relies on self control- there is no need for the government because everyone has been educated to do what is instinctively correct.  Trouble is sooner or later someone spots ‘If I’m a bastard, I can coerce everyone else to do what I say’.

  16. Last_Hussar:
    Trouble is sooner or later someone spots ‘If I’m a bastard, I can coerce everyone else to do what I say’.

    And everyone else’s fascism alert will go off and the bastard will be treated to a molotov cocktail.

  17. And everyone else’s fascism alert will go off and the bastard will be treated to a molotov cocktail.

    Actually the bloke with the biggest sword is the way we end up with kings.  Look at the number of Dictatorships around the world.  Saddam was only deposed due to the US.  However for years no one really cared. If he hadn’t taken Kuwait, or at least only taken the oil fields that were slant drilling Iraqi oil, Rumsfeld would still be shaking his hand. 

    Power comes from the barrel of a gun

    Mao Tse Tung

  18. And if everyone has guns, either everyone is dead or there are no leaders that can sustain their leadership.

  19. Theo- you are still overlooking the fact that democracy is relatively rare.  The world is full of dictators who use the army to suppress the population, including Bush’s ally Saudi Arabia.

  20. I have to agree with Hussar here. The works of Leo Strauss are prevalent philosophies even amongst those in power in democracies for precisely that reason – the most efficient course of action usually means someone else is doing something for you. Everyone wants the most efficient course of action. End result: very few people want democracy, very few people want to be leaders. They want to be lead, to have more done for them, and they will gladly take the discomfort of having a governmental dick stuck in em while they’re bent over backwards – as long as it’s convenient. Just like phones, credit and debit cards, and internet monitoring. Very little of what you do is private anymore.

    In that we only give more governments more power to abuse. The same can be said for WalMart. Sure, lots of people don’t like them. But who outprices them? Why do they keep growing? Convenience. Letting some slave child die in a foreign land can be easily ignored, and is an inconsequential price to pay for an ordinary American versus saving a couple bucks. Many Americans I’ve spoken with personally have said they have little objection to the War in Iraq because “[gas] is fuckin expensive right now”.

    Nietzsche himself identified essential leaders and followers, through a master/slave relationship, in his own philosophies. That’s not going to change. However, I don’t think that a person who is not capable of despising himself will be the last man on the planet. As long as those are in competition and as long as they value themselves, some will succumb to being the slaves of other men. After all, when you can avoid mortal conflict, why wouldn’t you?

    In short, take some strange shit before people lead lives of self-responsibility. I don’t see it, or any ideal democracy, ever happening.

  21. Are we supposed to give up on any hope of the world being a fairer or better place?  I know there needs to be businesses which includes managers and workers, but that hardly needs to equate to slavery.  Those who give up on making the world a better place, the dead idealist, is no better than those who are currently pursuing their own detruction.  The future of the world belongs to the idealists.

    But as soon as he was laid in bed, all seemed well.  He covered himself up and even drew the blanket higher than usual over his shoulders.  He looked up at Georg with a not unfriendly expression.

    “You’re beginning to remember my friend, aren’t you?” asked Georg, giving him an encouraging nod.

    “Am I well covered up now?” asked his father, as if he couldn’t see whether his feet were properly tucked in or not.

    “So you like it in bed, don’t you?” said Georg, and tucked the blanket more closely around him.

    “Am I well covered up?” the father asked once more, seeming to be peculiarly intent upon the answer.

    “Don’t worry, you’re well covered up.”

    “No!” cried his father, so that the answer collided with the question, and flinging the blanket back so violently that for a moment it hovered unfolded in the air, he stood upright in bed.  With one hand he lightly touched the ceiling to steady himself.  “You wanted to cover me up, I know, my little puppy, but I’m far from being covered up yet.  And even if this is the last bit of strength I have, it’s enough for you, more than enough.

    ~Franz Kafka in The Judgment

    The world is bent on complacent living and will go to an early grave for it.  Those who really care about the world will explode out from under the sheets and force the hands of the rest to choose suicide or life (not complacently).  The world is forgetting if it has not already forgotten how to live.  We don’t know compassion and nothing troubles us longer than a day or two before we move on.  We are weak willed and it is time for the strong willed to stand up and force reactions from the world.  The world needs more chaos.  Complacency has structured society in a way that it does not care about justice.  No true humanist can accept this world as is, too many are suffering and it is up to the humanist and anarchist to bring us back to chaos and true justice.

  22. Are we supposed to give up on any hope of the world being a fairer or better place?  I know there needs to be businesses which includes managers and workers, but that hardly needs to equate to slavery.

    It is sad that so many think so for personal convenience or profit.  Western Jobs are moved to the Third world purely for profit.  You will hear ‘But it improves their lives’ It often doesnt. National governments are black mailed- loosen these workers rights or we move on.  You will be told that Western workers have priced themselves out the market.  A Graduate in India is HAPPY to accept US$2500 to work in a call centre.

    Try convincing people to shop not at walmart, but at the local store. Try to get them to buy not the cheap food, but the more expensive fair trade food. 

    People depress me.

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