“Dr.” Kent Hovind explains the dangers of Evolution.

I’ve written about “Dr.” Kent Hovind many times here at SEB to point out what a dishonest idiot he is, but sometimes there’s no better way to illustrate this than to provide you with a clear example. It seems he or one of his fans has been uploading quite a few of his seminars to Google Video and if you do a search for Kent Hovind you’ll find them easily. Below is one such example if you can stomach watching it. It’s an hour long smear campaign against the Theory of Evolution by “Dr.” Kent Hovind which you probably won’t need to watch all that much of to see what an idiot he is.

It opens with a young man with a military haircut sitting next to a small fluttering American flag talking about how some folks say that Evolution “is not a bad philosophy”—making for the first clue that these folks haven’t a friggin’ clue what they’re on about—followed immediately by the claim that it was “Hitler’s religion during the Third Reich.” It just goes downhill from there.

     
I think it’s important to see an example of the bullshit that people like “Dr.” Kent Hovind are trying to feed the True Believers™ so you have a better understanding of why our science education in this country is in such bad shape. If you’ve not seen it before then you’ll probably be stunned by it. It explains a lot of the idiocy that we sometimes get in the comments here at SEB.

86 thoughts on ““Dr.” Kent Hovind explains the dangers of Evolution.

  1. Weston- what do you consider “proof” for creation?  There’s mounds of evidence for evolution, from detailed fossil sequences in many lineages, to comparative anatomy of living creatures, to evolution visible right now.  If you’re interested, start looking here at TalkOrigins.  If that doesn’t convince you, come back here and we’ll tell you why we consider evolution a fact.

  2. I believe what he says is true. if someone could sow me some solid facts for evolution. then i would believe it but as of right now there is more proof for creation.  Some one show me some proof please.

    I would imagine his “more proof for creation” is the bible. In which case, Zilch, he’s not going to believe anything at TalkOrigins.

    Remember, stupid feeds on itself.

  3. Zilch, you misunderstand. He’s looking for Bible quotes in support of evolution, not something like factual observations, scientific theories, and how the twain meet. Or speciation being demonstrated. Or computer simulations that explore and showcase the scientific theories.

    He might settle for proof of their strawmen, though, like an airplane evolving into a watch after being hit by a thunderstorm. Or was it an eye mutating into a mousetrap? I can’t keep creationist canards straight anymore…

  4. I believe in the bible because i believe in the creation theory, not I believe in creation because of the bible.  Things like the flagellum tail on bacteria, confuse me.  how would a tail that spins at 100,000 rpm evolve.  Or the distance of the moon from earth.  Most factual evidence for evolution has been proven wrong, or is not can not be proven.

  5. I believe in the bible because i believe in the creation theory, not I believe in creation because of the bible.

    Why the Bible, Weston?  The Koran has a creation theory too; so does the Bhagavadgita. They’re all equally plausible, and all equally supported by the evidence.

    Things like the flagellum tail on bacteria, confuse me.

    Believe me, it confuses me too.  But just because things are complex and not fully understood is no proof for a Creator.  People used to think there must be gods who threw thunderbolts, too.

    Or the distance of the moon from earth.

    What of it?

    Most factual evidence for evolution has been proven wrong, or is not can not be proven.

    Do you have any idea how much factual evidence there is for evolution?  “Most” of that would be a mindbogglingly large amount of information, orders of magnitude larger than the Bible.  I suspect what you mean is that Piltdown Man was found to be a hoax, and therefore evolutionary theory is defunct.  And what exactly do you mean by “prove”?  You can’t “prove” that the Sun will rise tomorrow, but you can still be pretty confident that it will indeed rise.  Scientists overall confidence in evolution, while the details are still not understood, is of this order.

  6. I believe the bible because it suits my life style well. and makes the most since to me.  Just like you believe in evolution because it suits your life better.  The flagellum tail consfuses me because in evolutionary theory every thing evolved from something else(legs to wings, ect.) but the flagellum tail came from nothing.
        As For the moon,  It continues to move away from earth at 3.8 cm a year. at billions of years old the moon would be so close to the earth. That the tides would flood twice every day.
        The piltdown man was one of the many hoaxes. like Nebraska Man, java man, and the Neanderthals. Has there been missing links that have ben found that haven’t been proven wrong.

  7. Weston, you’re a fuck-knuckle – get a fucking life – you’re UNknowledgeable about what, how and why and totally outa your depth here (here = not a place fundies have ANY success) – there are people here who’re a bit (a mild Aussie understatement LOL  ) smarter than you … I don’t consider myself one of them but I don’t give a shit cos I know I can and, do, THINK – ever tried it?
    It’s un-slave-ing-lish-ly cool.

    I believe in the bible because i believe in the creation theory, not I believe in creation because of the bible.

    Fuckwit!
    Lesson one: don’t try and con a conman, mate.
    You believe in the shit of the bible cos you believe the bible shit – end of conversation.
    Q-E-fucking-D you dumb cunt.  LOL  LOL  LOL
    Jack Daniel’s talking here … and she’s getting mildly a-fucking-gressive.  wink

    Segue for no apparent reason …

    ZILCH: Why does Compay Segundo (he HAD to be in his 80s) remind me of you in 30 years?
    Hope you can make it with the same love moves as the old bloke with the 7 string guitar or the singer with the straw hat … WOW!  wink
    BUT, the old bloke in the straw hat has nothing on Ibrahim Ferrer … notice Omara shaking her head in love and wonderment of his voice … or him.
    Why do I love the way he dries her tears? There’s no cure for romanticism, is there?  smile
    Full circle.  wink

  8. I find it funny that you get so mad that i’m asking question that you can’t answer.  I’m trying to learn and understand what you believe and your shooting me down because I seem to make a little since.  Your not helping me believe what you believe.  I’m not saying I’m right, Or that your wrong. I’m saying I BELIEVE that i’m right and I BELIEVE that your wrong. Also I never claimed that i was smart.

  9. I’m a newbie here but If I knew how to quote a post, I’d be a quote whore. I was a believer once. I believed in the tooth fairy, santa, the zombies under my bed and that a dead spirit would solve all my problems if only I believed and prayed hard enough. Then one morning, I caught my mom sneaking Santa’s gifts under the tree, one night my dad putting a quarter under my pillow, and one day my parents got a divorce, my beautiful young niece died and a slew of other horrific things occured that no merciful loving god would have let happen. Essentially, I woke up and grew up. I laugh at the crap I used to believe in wondering how I could have been so blind-but hey I was a child-my parents forced their fears and crutch on me. I believe in the humanity in people and the good that can come of it and that I am here because my mom and dad did the nasty-not because the angels sent me from heaven. I teach my kids that they alone are responsible for their actions and that they are the only ones that can fix their mistakes, work for what they want, and to live their lives with honesty, integrity and giving. It is however interesting that this is a board for like minded Atheists and people come in denouncing us and damning us to their imaginary hell for not beLIEveing in their buybull. We didn’t invite you people here and we don’t want you here. Seriously, do any of us lurk in christian boards waiting for the perfect opportunity do disprove any of your beliefs? Sure it sounds fun but I think we’re all more adult than that.

  10. Also I never claimed that i was smart.

    Strangely enough, I imagine that no one else will either.

  11. Mostly well said Deadly Nightshade, but I disagree that we didn’t invite Christians here. There may not be a big “Welcome Christian” sign at the top of the main page but I think most of us see open discussions as a good thing. At the very least, Christians, and especially fundies, show us how differently others can think and allow us opportunities to practice our debate and reasoning skills.

    Aside from that, the link from your name is trying to sell us something so you should understand how others might want to sell us a pig in a poke instead. /off topic

    To quote, highlight what you want to put in a quotebox and then click on the “quote” button above the comment box.

    Back to my point: Certainly we’ve had some on here lately that make me ashamed to know they’re Americans but generally I want to think this is a place where people can feel free to reveal their perspectives on life and what could come after. Also though, I want to believe they came to their conclusions independent of force and fad.

    To be honest, I thought LG was a bit rough on Weston because Weston seems, to me, to be slightly smarter than most of the true believers we’ve met here lately and honestly curious. He needs to find a spell check program though and he’s gotten ahold of some bad information but maybe he can be reasoned with. After all, reason is what this site is about, to a great degree.

  12. I agree debating is a good thing (without trying to sound like Martha) but when it takes a turn and they try to force their beliefs down my throat and go so far to say that we (or I) are evil to the core and are viscious

  13. viscious sp? about doing so it offends and disgusts me. We as a family debate all the time but there comes a time when you have to bow out gracefully. As far as my husband’s link goes, it’s there if any of you are interested, if not, you dont have to go there. Much like if someone had a link from their name that would send me to an Evangeical site, I would choose not to go.

  14. Brock: I thought LJ was a bit rough on Weston because Weston seems, to me, to be slightly smarter than most of the true believers we’ve met here lately and honestly curious

    Fair enough, Brock. In that case I won’t post what I was going to post.
    What was I going to post, I hear you ask?
    Just this bit of drivel.

    Weston: I find it funny that you get so mad that i’m asking question that you can’t answer.

    I don’t get mad – I get even.
    BUT, why is it I can’t find a single ??QUESTION MARK?? in any of your shit?
    Cos you’re a fuck-knuckle … and you think you’re the first.
    Could it be you’re a time-wasting, energy-sucking troll?
    Yep, cos you’re a fuck-knuckle … and you think you’re the first.

    Weston: I’m trying to learn and understand what you believe and

    Bullshit – you’re a time-wasting, energy-sucking troll.

    Weston: your shooting me down because I seem to make a little since. 

    There’s an outside chance you meant YOU’RE and SENSE and you’re right – you don’t … because you’re a time-wasting, energy-sucking troll.

    Weston: Your not helping me believe what you believe.

    There’s the difference between you and me – I don’t give a fuck what you believe and why cos I don’t get extra points for conversions.

    Weston: I’m not saying I’m right, Or that your wrong. I’m saying I BELIEVE that i’m right and I BELIEVE that your wrong.

    Oh, you know about semantics. Good onya mate.
    Looks like you’re saved and I’m not.
    One problem – you mixing me up with someone who gives a fuck.  wink

    Weston: Also I never claimed that i was smart.

    Whoa – you’re being far too smart here – I’m starting to believe you’re super-smart … only kidding. LOL

  15. May I remind you all of the SEB Wiki? Specifically, this section that eagerly awaits content?

    One way to keep the creationist trolls at arms length and simultaneously offering an educational resource would be to answer creationist canards there. It could be as simple as a list of “stumper questions” and links to their respective debunks.

  16. Weston: your shooting me down because I seem to make a little since. 

    Newsflash, Weston: you’re not making any “since.” The reason many of us are getting irritated with you is partly because we get creationist trolls here frequently and we find ourselves having to explain ad nauseam why they are wrong, and partly due to the fact that, despite your claims to the contrary, you’re not receptive to any evidence that contradicts your beliefs.

    Your not helping me believe what you believe.

    You’ve made it clear that you have no intention of believing anything other than what you already believe. That’s unfortunate; what’s even more unfortunate is that there are countless others like you.

  17. One way to keep the creationist trolls at arms length and simultaneously offering an educational resource would be to answer creationist canards there.

    I vote the job is delegated to zilch.

  18. I don’t get mad – I get even.

    Good one.  Get even with what? My question?

    BUT, why is it I can’t find a single ??QUESTION MARK?? in any of your shit?

    Thats because i didn’t use any question marks.  I didn’t proof read it. Sorry(like it makes a difference, if you can’t tell when its a question with out a question mark, go back to school)

    it seems that this site doesn’t want to debate the different theories, they just want to bash creation and get mad when someone asks a question.

  19. LJ said:

    you’re a fuck-knuckle – get a fucking life – you’re UNknowledgeable about what, how and why and totally outa your depth here

    Fuckwit!

    Q-E-fucking-D you dumb cunt.

    I would be remiss were I not to point out to you that one should not lose sense of their manners. 

    The aged, the infirm, the insignificant, the dependent; all, in short, who are afflicted “in mind, body, or estate,” are suitable recipients of the most expressive courtesies of manners

    So, when dealing with a particularly troubling troll you might employ the following sage advice:

    The comparatively vacant mind readily admits an impression from without; hence, he “who whistles for want of thought” will whistle more cheerily for the introduction of an agreeable remembrance, into the unfurnished “chambers of imagery”

    (Both quotes from The American Gentleman’s Guide to Politeness and Fashion, 1860)

    Surely the same philosphies employed by others with you, here, merit imitation.  cheese  smile

  20. Weston: it seems that this site doesn’t want to debate the different theories, they just want to bash creation and get mad when someone asks a question.

    There is no present theory regarding speciation or variation that even comes close to competing with evolution. The theory of evolution is at the heart of all the life sciences. The evidence for it is overwhelming; anyone who is aware of this evidence and still rejects evolution is being wilfully ignorant, and that is not a character trait that deserves any respect.

    Furthermore, creationism is hardly a scientific theory. At best it is a belief that has no supporting evidence; at worst it is a silly delusion. Either way it does not merit consideration or respect.

  21. Consi: Surely the same philosphies employed by others with you, here, merit imitation.

    *nods head*  smile

  22. I have been remiss – I completely missed this thread, and here’s everyone saying nice things (and LJ saying fuck knuckle and suchlike)  to our friends, the trolls, of whom Consi’s quote regarding “the comparatively vacant mind” seems most apt.

    Consigliere: Surely the same philosphies employed by others with you, here, merit imitation.

    Hear hear!

    Weston Miller: Thats because i didn’t use any question marks.  I didn’t proof read it. Sorry(like it makes a difference, if you can’t tell when its a question with out a question mark, go back to school)

    Weston, proofreading isn’t just for breakfast anymore.  And it certainly makes a difference to me that one displays at least a modicum of interest in clearly articulating one’s ideas.  Without that, one might come across, I don’t know, as naive maybe?  If you had a question, then prove it and ask away.

    Sexy Sadie: Furthermore, creationism is hardly a scientific theory. At best it is a belief that has no supporting evidence; at worst it is a silly delusion. Either way it does not merit consideration or respect.

    I wouldn’t say “hardly”.  I would say “not”.  Creationism is not a scientific theory, but rather a philosophical position that assumes the universe was created by some sort of supreme being.  There are account of creation in just about all the texts of the various major and minor religions, though most of our trolls clearly refer to the Christian creation fable when they speak of creationism.

    While the belief may seem silly, you cannot deny that it’s something that’s held deeply as an article of faith for millions of Americans, and many millions more around the world.  Respect it or not, but when millions and millions of people get an idea into their little heads, they not going to change their minds just because someone waves a bunch of better ideas in front of them.  Nosiree.  They’ll hang on with all their might, and denounce the better ideas as dangerous and evil.  Sound familiar?

    For me, I respect their tenacity.  I feel that creationists are like dogs chasing after cars:  Sure, they can sink their teeth in, but the car doesn’t care, and all the while the neighborhood kids are watching, waiting, because they know it’s all going to end badly for the dog. 

    LJ: Fuck Knuckle.

    I love that one – it’s going in my bag of cusses, right next to fuck tard.

  23. Time for another reminder:

    The Clergy Letter Project

    That’s 10.000 clergy signatures in support of the theory of evolution:

    Within the community of Christian believers there are areas of dispute and disagreement, including the proper way to interpret Holy Scripture. While virtually all Christians take the Bible seriously and hold it to be authoritative in matters of faith and practice, the overwhelming majority do not read the Bible literally, as they would a science textbook. Many of the beloved stories found in the Bible – the Creation, Adam and Eve, Noah and the ark – convey timeless truths about God, human beings, and the proper relationship between Creator and creation expressed in the only form capable of transmitting these truths from generation to generation. Religious truth is of a different order from scientific truth. Its purpose is not to convey scientific information but to transform hearts.

    We the undersigned, Christian clergy from many different traditions, believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and the discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist. We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as “one theory among others” is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children. We believe that among God’s good gifts are human minds capable of critical thought and that the failure to fully employ this gift is a rejection of the will of our Creator. To argue that God’s loving plan of salvation for humanity precludes the full employment of the God-given faculty of reason is to attempt to limit God, an act of hubris. We urge school board members to preserve the integrity of the science curriculum by affirming the teaching of the theory of evolution as a core component of human knowledge. We ask that science remain science and that religion remain religion, two very different, but complementary, forms of truth.

    Too bad that PZ Myers wants nothing to do with these 10.000 signatories – that would be appeasement. If I understand him correctly, of course.

    Further, religious believers have not cornered the market on rejecting evolution.

  24. the native americans also believed that “god”put them here, and science tried to tell them they were wrong, but i think if christians want to believe god put them here, then they can believe what they want to. i noticed that god believers that visit this site are very obnoxious, and annoying, and i don’t know why they bother to come here, i don’t visit christian sites. anyway, i was reading the part in the bible about creationism, and it is ridiculous to., but whatever., believe what makes you happy, i guess.
    weston miller- we don’t try to get you to believe what we do, like christians do do people,
    i also find it ammusing when a religious person comes here and tells us we are going to hell. saying that to an atheist is like telling us the boogeyman will get us.

  25. Uh, jory, while I have my doubts about WM’s sincerity about his willingness to learn, his motivation for coming here, and his capability to internalize whatever he might learn, I do not recall conversion attempts or threats of hellfire. Of course, it might just go to show how much attention I pay to creationists.

  26. I like the irony from the fact that he’s challenging me (presumably) to prove I graduated high school when he’s using the typing skills of a five year old.

  27. Hey, did you guys really listen to this guy? There’s a whole lot of bad mouthing about him but i’m trying to figure out what he said wrong. Other than him not believing in the theory of evolution, was his information wrong? The guy cant be an idiot like i’ve seen a lot of people have posted, the guy has very high IQ from what i’ve looked up and is a part of MENSA. so he’s obviously not that stupid. Try to give examples before your preconcieved notions get the better of you. I’m not saying the guys right on everything, but he’s got a point if you just get past your bias and listen.

  28. Wow Les, Evolution not treating you well ey? I mean how is your baldness treating you?(Just like to point out that English is my second language, sorry I make some mistakes, but that doesn’t make me an idiot. Hey can you speak more than one language?)

    Just want to point out that not all scientists supports the evolution theory and remember that it is only a theory, nothing more. There is no solid scientific evidence for macro evolution, nor will there ever be.

    I am from South-Africa and we would like to learn from the mistakes Americans have made by getting rid of the Bible in your public schools and teaching kids they are animals.

    Surely even you can see that teaching biblical principles such as Loving others as yourself and forgiveness can only be beneficial to kids. You don’t have to teach that God is God etc, but why throw away the best book that teaches moral principles ey? Just something you should consider thinking about for more than a minute.

    There is no denying the fact that evolution is a religion because you have to believe in it for it to be true. Nothing can change the fact that it’s only a very unrealistic theory. The only reason ur letting yousrelf being indoctrinated by the 55% of “scientists” that supports a mythical fairytale is because the alternative is believing in God and you don’t want to believe in God, cause then you can’t swear as much and follow the desires of heart. You are willfully ignorant of the truth cause you don’t like the truth.

    If you can reply without becoming emotional or swearing or being sarcastic, then I’d be very impressed. All these atheist gets so emotional when you attack their religion. You know what I’m talking about?

    PS God loves you just the way you are(and also Bruno Mars)

  29. Theo,

    You are obviously ignorant of the copious amount of evidence there is for evolution. Now, you may choose to take the word ignorant as an insult, but I mean it only as a descriptor.

    DNA evidence alone confirms common descent. Ever heard of Endogenous Retroviruses?? These are viruses which got copied into the host genome, but under went a mutation which prevented them from acting as a virus. These sequences of DNA are still in our chromosomes, faithfully copied from generation to generation. Thing is, the same viruses are located in the same chromosomes in different species. The more physiologically similar two species are, the more of these ERVs they share. This can be interpreted in two ways 1) these viruses inserted once and were copied from parent to offspring, even when these offspring had diverged into different species, or 2) these ERVs were inserted by a trickster god, who wanted to fool us into thinking evolution is true. Now, you might say “what if the same ERV was inserted at exactly the same position in multiple species?” Well, whilst this is hypothetically this is possible, given the size of the genome, the number of ERVs, the specificity of the mutations, this would never conceivably happen even if the whole universe were teaming with life.

    Then we have evidence of bad design in nature. For example, watch this video about the Laryngeal nerve in giraffes. Easily explainable by evolution, impossible to explain by any creation myth.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO1a1Ek-HD0

    Or how about the human chromosome two?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi8FfMBYCkk

    Or how about the 7 or 8 species of transitional whales which have been discovered?

    Evolution is a done deal. People who reject it are either ignorant of the evidence (not a crime in itself), pathologically stupid or liars.

    As for the bible being a source of morality, it clearly isn’t. The bible not only condones slavery, it tells you who you can enslave, for how long, how much you should pay, how hard you can beat them, and how you can get around setting them free! The bible tells us you should stone your children to death for being disrespectful, Jesus himself said that if you don’t hate your parents, you can’t be his follower (which contradicts his earlier edict [as God] about honouring your parents). Elijah invokes god to kill 42 kids (by bears) who merely mock him, calling him bald. Does that seem moral? God hardens the pharoah’s heart, then kills all the first born, because this omnipotent, omniscient being, who hardened pharoah’s heart in full knowledge of the consequences didn’t get his way (or maybe he did).. How moral is that? Your god regularly wiped people out, if the Old Testament myths are to be believed. I am sorry, but my morals as an atheist are far better than those of your monster god. Of course, your omniscient god created me in full knowledge he’s have to send me to hell. Why does a loving god create people he knows he’ll have to send to hell?

    Of course, the bible doesn’t even make sense. I mean, God creates imperfect people, gets pissy when they do the wrong thing (which they couldn’t have known was the wrong thing, having no knowledge of good and evil, after all), throws them out of the garden. They multiply, he doesn’t like the bad people he created, so he drowns them all, they recover, build a tower, so he smacks them about again, then in some final act of desperation, he sends himself to earth in bodily form so that he can be sacrificed to himself so that he can break his own rules to forgive people for the sin that he created. And you think atheists are stupid!

    Finally, yes, I can speak more than one language. Japanese.

  30. Oh, as for the “not all scientists believe in evolution” schtick, well that is true. The Discovery Institute has its list of scientists who ‘Dissent from Darwin”. I believe there are some 761 signatories. However, a vanishingly small percentage of those are biologists. Off the top of my head, I can only think of Michael “ridiculed and shown to be criminally uninformed at the Dover trial” Behe. By the way, you do know that Behe’s own son rejects his father’s stuff, and has recently come out as an atheist?

    Anyhow, the NCSE in response, chose to start Project Steve, in which they wanted only biological scientists named Stephen (or a variation thereof) to sign a petition affirming evolution. The current total is 1146, dwarfing the Disco institute’s list. Now, science isn’t a popularity contest, but is determined by evidence. I think it is telling however, that even by limiting themselves to a single field of study and a single name, the NCSE could produce a list nearly twice as long as the Discovery Institute’s list, who will accept anyone, irrespective of whether they even study the subject (most of the Disco institute’s signatories were engineers, not biologists).

    So, yes, not all scientists accept evolution. All credible ones who are talking on their own subject do though.

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