God tells woman to toss her three kids off a pier. She complies…

… and for some weird reason everyone thinks she’s crazy:

Lashaun Harris, 23, was arrested last October, shortly after authorities said she dropped her children, one by one, over a rail and into the bay.

Taronta Greeley Jr., 2, was buried. The bodies of Treyshun Harris, 6, and Joshoa Greeley, 16 months, were never recovered.

Harris, who faces three counts of murder, has pleaded not guilty. She was diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic with delusional thought disorder, Caffese said, and was hospitalized once because she said God was telling her to jump out a window.

Again I have to ask the True Believers out there: How can you possibly be sure she’s not telling the truth given passages in the Bible such as Genesis 22?  Maybe God was testing her to see if she’d really do it? Maybe he’s sitting up in Heaven right now laughing his ass off while screaming at Gabriel, “Holy shit! The crazy bitch actually did it!”

At least there’s a silver lining to this tragic story. According to Looking4Truth those kids are all up in Heaven now thanks to their Mom. Score 3 souls for God! Yay team!

92 thoughts on “God tells woman to toss her three kids off a pier. She complies…

  1. Kierkegaard’s Teleological Suspension of the Ethical(TSE) happened only twice in the Bible and only needed to happen twice.  No more TSEs are needed or allowed.  Of course the Catholics don’t interpret Abraham and Isaac like Kierkegaard does (most protestants don’t know and likely don’t care).  But the Catholics have yet to come up with a better explanation.

  2. But the Catholics have yet to come up with a better explanation.

    I agree one hundred percent with you there, theo.  We’re on a run!  tongue wink

  3. she said God was telling her to jump out a window.

    Why didn’t obey that order? confused

    At least there’s a silver lining to this tragic story. According to Looking4Truth those kids are all up in Heaven now thanks to their Mom.

    There’s that at least. downer

  4. Alright, you want a believer’s word?  I’ll give you some.  Need I remind you that the example of Genesis 22 is moot because God later told Abraham to NOT kill Isacc through his angel!  BTW, you have faied to mention that the woman in question was also a classified loon.  Anything else you would like to try and throw?

  5. Gunny writes…

    Alright, you want a believer’s word?  I’ll give you some.  Need I remind you that the example of Genesis 22 is moot because God later told Abraham to NOT kill Isacc through his angel! BTW, you have faied to mention that the woman in question was also a classified loon.  Anything else you would like to try and throw?

    You’ve completely missed my point. How do you know she’s a “classified loon” if you accept the account given in Genesis 22 as being truthful? How can you say for certain that God wasn’t speaking to her and instructing her to kill her kids? Perhaps God had good reason to tell this woman to kill her kids. Do you somehow magically have the ability to know God’s will?

    The fact that you accept Genesis 22 as true completely undermines any argument you might make as to this woman’s mental state.

  6. What Les said and …

    Gunny: … through his angel!

    I’m so glad Abe was sane enough to hear an angel and not believe it was the devil playing tricks.
    It should be quite obvious to everyone the woman in the story may have thought the devil was telling her not to do it.
    If only the Christian God of Love and Goodness had used his Omnimax powers, and saved them. smile

    … you have failed to mention that the woman in question was also a classified loon.

    If she was a classified loon, then who in their right mind left her in charge of the kids?
    Shouldn’t they be charged as accessories?
    Why wasn’t she a guest of the government in one of their lock-ups?
    Shouldn’t some gov’t lackey be charged with ‘aiding and abetting’?
    Where did she get the ideas from, about how god could even suggest such a thing as killing a kid?
    Shouldn’t the babble be held up as a fragment of some fool’s imagination and cut to shreds?

    Anything else you would like to try and throw?

    I know they’re silly questions but have a go at one of them.
    Not the last one of course. Using the babbleofcontradictions to justify and quote from, any xian can get out of any situation. smile

  7. I know why she didnt, cause the catholic church has a hard time swallowing the fact that women are worthwhile people, and because she was so “in touch with god”, she couldnt soil catholic heaven with her female presence!

    Wow im sick…

  8. In Genisis 22 the Lord was testing Abraham to see if he would obey him in all things and put the Lord first in his life.  Never was it the intentions of the Lord nor his desire that Abraham actually killed his son.  The sacrifice in Genisis of Abraham’s son is a symbol of the Great Sacrifice God was willing to make on behave of all mankind, the sacrifice of his son Jesus Christ.  The story was ment to be a lesson and a prophecy of that great day of the redemption of man.  The key part of the story was the fact the God in the end did not require Abraham’s son’s life because He is merciful and because the actual act of killing his son would be contrary to God’s principles and teachings.  A human sacrifice was only required once, and it was offered freely by God himself, he would never require any other because no other was qualified to save mankind from sin.  It was enough that Abraham was willing, and that is all the Lord wanted.  As christians believe, God puts us all through what has come to be known as our Abrahamic test in life, to test each of us to see if we are willing to obey all his comandments.  But in so testing us, he will never require blood of the innocent from any of us.  Therefore this woman who said God told her to kill her children we know is a loon.  As he did with Abraham, he would have stopped her first.  I believe the story of Genisis 22 and therefore I cannot believe God told this lady to kill her children unless he also prevented her from carrying out the act.  I believe God does nothing except it be for the bennifit of us all, Abraham’s experience was a symbol, a prophecy and a fortelling of the coming and mission of Christ.  It taught us of the Love God has for us, the story in Genisis is supposed to horrify us, that someone would be willing to do such a thing.  But when we think that Jesus Christ died for us we realize how much he loved us.  But what purpose does the death of three innocent children have for mankind?  What would God want to teach us with the murder of his children?  Absolutley nothing, and therefore we can easily say that this woman was not told by God to kill her children and that she is a loon.

  9. “Me” writes…

    In Genisis 22 the Lord was testing Abraham to see if he would obey him in all things and put the Lord first in his life.  Never was it the intentions of the Lord nor his desire that Abraham actually killed his son.

    Abraham had no way of knowing what God’s intentions really were and as such asking Abraham to sacrifice his own son only to pull back at the last minute is just plain old fashioned cruelty. Hardly the hallmark of a loving and compassionate God. One more good reason to write the Bible off as nonsense.

    The key part of the story was the fact the God in the end did not require Abraham’s son’s life because He is merciful and because the actual act of killing his son would be contrary to God’s principles and teachings.

    And yet Abraham was perfectly willing to do it anyway. That’s one sick fuck.

    It was enough that Abraham was willing, and that is all the Lord wanted.  As christians believe, God puts us all through what has come to be known as our Abrahamic test in life, to test each of us to see if we are willing to obey all his comandments.

    Because the greatest test God can give you, apparently, is one that completely contradicts everything he’s ever taught you about how to live a good life. What utter bullshit.

    But in so testing us, he will never require blood of the innocent from any of us. 

    If you already know that then how is it a test? That makes absolutely no sense at all.

    Therefore this woman who said God told her to kill her children we know is a loon.  As he did with Abraham, he would have stopped her first.

    No more loony than you for buying into this claptrap.

  10. Too bad Andrea Yates and her children were ” Put on Hold, or disconnected altogether during their Test”. Maybe God was busy on the other line with something else. I can’t really blame him though, I am guilty of the same thing when I do the laundry, I forget about the clothes in the washer, Usually I am watching some HOTTIE on TV.

    And Les this person makes perfectly good sense. Why must you constantly find fault with everything? All the Carnivals are in Florida for the winter, we have a shortage of entertainment, and now your trying to pull the plug on the clowns.

  11. Maybe she thought her kids were Amalekites (I Samuel 15):

    2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.

    3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

    Speaking of which, I just got around to checking out Kierkegaard’s “Teleological Suspension of the Ethical”.  Seems that Kierkegaard was troubled by a few cases of unpleasant behavior by God, specifically in telling Abraham to sacrifice Isaac, and in sending Jesus to his death on the cross.

    Now, Kierkegaard was certainly not alone in noting certain dissonances in the Bible.  The cognitive dissonances caused by faulty science, and the empathetic dissonances caused by God’s tetchiness, have led many to conclude that the Bible is not what it claims to be.  If tossing the Bible is not an option, though, for whatever reason, then you have to either rationalize these dissonances or just toss logic and empathy.

    Kierkegaard rationalizes the “just kidding” demand to sacrifice Isaac and the for-real sacrifice of Jesus by invoking God’s Higher Ends: testing Abraham’s faithfulness on the one hand, and redeeming our sins with the life of His Son on the other.

    Which leaves me with a few questions.  One- don’t the butchered Amalekite sucklings demand a TSE?  Killing innocent babies is a no-no for most people too.  Two- if God is Good, why does Kierkegaard have to invent excuses for anything God does, since Everything He does must be good by definition?  Who are we to judge God?  If He wants to waste sucklings, it must be good, somehow.  Three- why do there have to be two and only two TSE’s?  That sounds like a TSL to me: a Theocratical Suspension of the Logical.

  12. Well put zilch.  Very well put.

    After all, why use logic when you can rub out anyone you want and say it was God’s will?  But how much more quickly and deadly would such action be when you replace swords with Colt .45s, bows with M16’s, and cavalry with drive-by attacks and M1 Abrams’s?

  13. BTW, you have faied to mention that the woman in question was also a classified loon.

    a) No, he mentioned it. Paranoid schizophrenic, etc.

    b) She was only classified as a loon because she was trying to obey God’s will. So really, she’s just being persecuted, right?

    If she was a classified loon, then who in their right mind left her in charge of the kids?

    Paranoid schizophrenics are not usually dangerous. She was hospitalized when she tried to kill herself, and probably released 3 days later with a bunch of drugs. Locking all of them up permanently would be excessive. It could be argued that locking them all up permanently would be a good idea, but that’s not how the government does it. They dope them up, and provide special homes, government programs, and hospitals when their disease gets really bad. Paranoid schizophrenics usually make better parents than the foster system.

    The key part of the story was the fact the God in the end did not require Abraham’s son’s life

    No. This woman did the exact same thing Abraham did. The key difference is that in the Bible, an angel prevented Abraham from actually doing it. Why didn’t an angel fly by and pluck the kids out of the ocean?

    -Bob

  14. Why didn’t an angel fly by and pluck the kids out of the ocean?

    For the same reason that God doesn’t heal amputees.

  15. Deft, Zilch; deft.
    It’s a pity ‘me’ was a fly by but, I enjoyed the progression.  smile

  16. You all are prolly the stupidist people ever… ONE you obviously have no life if you have this much time to waste posting,  i cant believe i even read this entire blog, i happened to stumble across it as i was doing some research- and i found it intriguing that so many people could be viewing this.  let me just say, from a mathmeticians view, look at the age of her oldest kid, 6… look how many different parents there are.. 2 different fathers… she was only 23… a six year old… she was a whore who didnt know how to use a condom!  you think a 16yr old is in gods will doing that?!? doesnt sound like she really tried very hard to discern if god was telling her to really kill her kids does it? read the story of abraham, how many times did he pray if this was gods will? he was also sorrowful… i would be very surprised if this was the case with the 23 yr old whore. it says in the bible, that god will give people over to a strong delusion, and satan will have all but full control of them. again. 2.) god gave us a free will, if he were to always sweep in and protect people, catch babies out of the ocean, would there be any free will? why wouldnt we just be robotically ALL good? incapable of sin?  he created us with the purpose of glorifying him by SHOOSING to serve/honor him. obviously there is a choice. and he gives everyone that same choice. you have the option to- Admit- Admit your sin- a sin-nature u inherited from adam, has been passed down to you casueing you to sin. you have sinned just like e eryone else in the owrld,  sinned enough to send you to hell. sin seperates us from god, becasue he can not have un paid for sin in his perfect heaven. its just like if i had the man who murdered your mother.  he raped her and murdered her by cutting her to little pieces til she bled to death. if a judge let him go, adn said just dont do it again you would think thats bullshit… and rightly so. your sin lands you as guilty b4 god. and he CANNOT be just. and love the rest of the world if he makes exceptions. would you tihnk the judge was loving if he let the murderer go? no you would think he was unjust.  god cannot overlook your sin. so you have a punishment or a sentence to pay. it says the wages of sin, is seperation from god forever. so we have all had the sentence of being seperated from god in a place fo punishment called hell.  that’s all we deserve, nothing more-  NOTHING LESS!

    Believe- Fortunately we do have a LOVING just God.  who instead of sending us to hell for our sin nature gives us a choice. a choice to believe that he sent his son to die on a cross to shed his bled to take OUR punishment.  so we deserve teh punishment but it says god the father put the sin of the whole world, on god the son’s shoulders.  so we deserve teh punishment, but he took our place. all we have to do is believe he did that for us, and

    Choose-  Choose to put your trust ONLY in that.  not in what you can do to outwiegh your bad, (casue i knwo most everyone wont make that happen smile  it is only a faith in a substitue that allows you to be pronounced innocent and be allowed into heaven.   

    one final note. i do beleive god told abraham to offer his son as a sacrifice. i do beleive that abraham never would have thought of that on his own. and i do believe that god would have had abraham tried to continue to kill his son that god would have interfeered(sp?) and stopped him. i do NOT believe that this woman was comanded by god to kil her kids. i beleive that was her own idea, or the devils, and for god to interfear would be hindering free will. and i am not saying i understand everything about why there is war, adn why god allows murders to live, but i do know, that i have a faith in him, and i know that has cahnged MY life, and i do know that when I die, and stand before my CREATOR and savior, i will know why i should be let into heaven, and it isnt becasue i went toshurch for 10 years, it isnt casue i gave money, it is beace his son took MY punishment, and i cling to nothing but that.

    have fun picking this apart you guys, but it worked for me and changed my life,  what do you have to say abotu taht?    oh yeah and if you wanna make fun of the spelling you can too smile

  17. have fun picking this apart you guys, but it worked for me and changed my life, what do you have to say abotu taht?

    What I have to say about that is: if Christianity worked for you and changed your life, nottellingyoubasturds, more power to you.  Just keep your beliefs out of public schools, and live and let live, and we won’t have any problems.  Cheers, zilch

  18. why the hell would god ask someone to kill their child anyway(in the bible), even if he did not mean for it to really be done. god would have to be an insecure sick bastard, and even if there was a god that asked me to kill my child, i would tell him to fuck off.
    this story is another example of how damaging and dangerous religion is.

  19. Nottellingyoubasturds…Did you ever think that your life and purpose on earth, was just to serve as a warning to others not to eat lead based paint chips as a snack. And yeah your writing skills are pathetic. Congratulations on putting the least amount of effort possible into something that is apparently a very serious subject to you. I’m impressed. Now shut the fuck up and go away.

  20. ntyb; she was a whore who didn’t know how to use a condom!

    Hmmm, That’s interesting; a christian who is not only being judgmental, but doesn’t realize that it is the christian right who have lead a fight to keep condom education out of schools.

  21. now this is cool… like 5 responses in about an hour…  i gotta make this short cause basketball practice beckons… but let me point some stuff out… zilch,  you propose that i keep my beliefs out of public schools? why dont you keep YOUR aithiesitic(sp?) beliefs out of them? it is the same thin if I think my kids(that i dont have) should be able to carry a bible and not get it taken away as you thinking that school oficials shouldnt shove a bible in the hands of your kids.  both are stupid. if a kid has religeon, i think more power to them, and if you have a leader telling them to have another religeon(atheism) how is that productive. thats a school forcing religeon on a kid!    i will say i agree that there should be way less influencing kids in public schools.
    j0ry-  you say why would he ask someone to kill thier child- first if you are going to make statements lets use correct words shall we? the correct term would be sacrifice, if you dont know what that means, look it up…  in the old testament they had to pay for sin, through a blood sacrifice, a lamb, doves, some “shedding of blood” to have thier sins forgiven, iasic was to be that sacrifice which god required to atone for sins.  it was not in the mindless shedding of blood, it was in the obediance to gods commands that had the atonement.  so he wasnt insecure, he was testing the faith to see if abraham could tackle great jobs.  just like your boss, if you have a job) has definetaly asked you to do more challenging things to see how capable you are.  you say this is another one, give me some others   right if “god” told you that nowadays,  that would be foolish,  but the whole thing is at that time, there was a need for blood to be shed to fulfill gods demands. now god the father gave hios sone to shed that blood so we wouldnt have to offer sacrifices…

    paul-  no i havent… no more than i thought my life would involve ever talking to yall- but paintchips and oil based paint REALLY arent all that bad for.. hiccup… you…          um actually yes my god is VERY important to me,  but yall arent.. no offense.. but i dont know any of yall.. adn couldnt care less of what yall think of my typing… 

    it dont matter….  yeah.. i am not saying that everything every christain does is great… i think elementry age school kids should get a talk from their parents about sex, but unfortunately, most parents wont, so schools have to,  i am disspointed in parents… but not totally against school sex-ed…    sry fundamentalists! i am getting struck by lightning i think…  oh.. and yeah i did realize that… do you realize it is athiests who lead in the ideology of killing babies to make room for the wildlife?  do you think thats good? i dont! and i also dont think that just casue you dont believe i nmy god, that you are heathen. adn that you are wicked… but when yall wanna talk about my god the way you are, you bet your ass i will defend it. 

    even if you dont believe in god, dont attribute everything bad that happens to him, that is why we have a president smile  no… just choose not to believe in him, and work to make the worl a better place, by not messing and trash talking those who do. what diff does it make you ?  k   gotta run

    God Bless

  22. ntyb, Don’t worry, the chances of getting struck by lightning are exceedingly small unless one is outdoors in an open area (such as golf courses).  What do you mean by:

    do you realize it is atheists who lead in the ideology of killing babies to make room for the wildlife?

    Are you speaking of abortion?  If so, abortion is the killing of zygotes or embryos, not babies.  If you are speaking of abortions, what does that have to do with wildlife?

    I am a heathen but I am not wicked.  My previous post said nothing bad about your god and I really don’t give a flying fuck about your imaginary friends.  The point is that you have no business calling me wicked because I don’t believe in gods.  I suppose that you would also have a problem with the fact that I fuck other guys up the ass—without a reach around.  You really need to get a clue.

  23. ntyb, why not find something better to do with your time as a good honorable christian, like look down on people who act on their own volition or rape their wives or extort their bloodlines into poverty somewhere else, where people are dumb enough to glorify you for it?

    Ok, enough of that, on to substance.  nytb, realize that you are defending a religion which is mired in bigotry, murder, oppression, conspiracy, factual obfuscation, lack of substance and whos misanthropic actions will land their leaders and defenders on the first train to the place you dub hell. 

    Realize that your organization’s schools, which I have personally attended, are nothing short of high-end camps for religious treatment whos instructors bombard their students with garbage about the union of faith and reason.  The mere mention of such an idea is absurd with the christian track record over it’s existance, and they would sooner confess to every killing and evil they have done that allow such a filthy thing as “science” to shut them down. 

    Realize that little, if any, of your religion is not stolen from other religions that were in close geographical proximity.  The birth of your savior was shifted to coincide with a pagan feast to celebrate the end of their year.  The over-commercialized holiday dubbed halloween, or Samhain orginally, was a feast for the time when they believed they natural and the supernatural worlds were at their closest, and with the rise of investigations into the supernatural occuring, more will be found. 

    Realize that while you yourself may, though doubtful, have good intentions with your faith, there are ten to match that one who will gladly kill, rape, burn, loot, and die for the christian religion. 

    Realize that the organizations that lovingly promote this kind of action exist and are getting more strength day by day as their political reach grows stronger, and their victims are portrayed as the “freaks” and the “failures” of high-end society.

    Realize that the people, like myself and the millions across the world who adamantly abhor this type of action, will not let the vibrance of life be quenched from existance.  We will not let the human race be douped and led by robed men who lust for power, wealth and flesh and masquerade as the voice of god on earth.  We will not let you damn us all.

    Your religion’s victory will be over my dead body.

  24. After detailed analysis worthy of a Dan Brown novel, I think zilch’s quote from Samuel says it best:

    3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

    I do believe that the lords intentions were not to destroy the Amalekites – but rather to bugger their sheep.  See – if you don’t know His true will – you get into all sorts of trouble when you do what he tells you.

  25. nottellingyoubastards-i realize this is called sacrifice, and sacrifice is asking someone to kill someone, as for proving or testing faith, that shows me that god is insecure, he is saying, prove you believe in me, and love me, as an insecure sick individual would do. and jesus died for our sins, thats the one that dumps guilt and shame on people just for being born.this is not the same as doing something more challenging to see how capable you are, this is insecurity and madness.

  26. and we do pay for our sins, but no god has to punish us, and no jesus needs to save us, we punish ourselves, and we save ourselves, unless or course, you have no consious, or remorse.

  27. just choose not to believe in him, and work to make the worl a better place, by not messing and trash talking those who do.

    Can’t argue with that, ntyb.  I have the greatest respect for those who work to make the world a better place, regardless of their beliefs, as long as “a better place” means something everyone can agree on: food, water, and shelter for the needy, and a healthy environment for all.

    When I said “keep your beliefs out of public schools” I didn’t mean that we should take Bibles away from kids (I’ve never heard anyone advocating that), but that no religion should be taught as the truth, in place of science.  “Atheism” is not a religion, but rather a lack of religion.  And science is “atheistic”, not because it proves that there is no God, but because it doesn’t rely on any supernatural explanations.  Every Christian, and every Moslem and atheist for that matter, depends on “atheistic” science and engineering every time they board a plane.

    Cheers from Vienna, zilch.  Let me know if you’re ever in town, ntyb, and I’ll treat you to a beer (or another drink of your choice).

  28. k… one final note, to all you gracious responders…

    itdontmatter —  poor choice of words,  since you athiest have no belief in a higher being, then all animals (humans included) should be treated teh same,  if there is a snake and a child i nthe road, and you have to hit one,  why the snake?  that obviously isnt every “athiest’s” view,  but athiest do leat a lot of the tree hugging groups who have that mindset.    first,  i dont carre waht tehy are killing, killing a embryo… it is teh killing part that i dont like. if you can find another way to put it besides killing, i might be happy. (might)  and second,  at what point does teh embryo become a baby? partial birth has gotta suck, like if it is a feet first baby, he is thinking YES im gonna live.. i havent been killed yet.. oh crap dang-it   so what point doe an embryo become a baby?    um   right…. i never called you wicked till now, you are wicked, you practice sodomy, adn taht is one of the main reasons god destroyed SODOM and gomorah… also, you remind me of a verse in proverbs, which states teh wicked shall GLORY in thier wickedness.. or something like that… so there you have it,  i did just call you wicked smile  but i know i am no better,  it also says in the bible, that anyone who looks at another woman to lust after her has already commited adultery wtih her in her heart,  so i am pretty screwed up at heart as well,  another verse,  “if you comit one sin,  you are guilty of all-  yup so you are wicked, but all of humanity is i nthe same boat…

    whiteblood… um i dont know where that comes from,  but i dont think that looking down on people gets you very far,  no more than yall looking down on people who believe in god does… its really teh same thing, they look down on you, casue they dont sin the SAMe sins (even though they (i) do stuff just as bad, since all sine are on the same level.  and you look down on them casue you view them as wasting thier life not sinning the fun sins.. and casue you think they are hypocrites…  so i dont think that you or I have any room to talk abotu who is looking down on who.  k point one,  select few,  being viewed as a whole.  such a pity
    point 2 ooh… ill catch the sience part later,  but i dont know what organization i am wtih… let me know on that? k?  you again try t ocharacterize falsely everytime you get a chance, deep roots of bitterness i suspect.

    piont 3   i think i already mentioned your faulty information,  if this were a true debate you would be required to show your research proving you HORRIBLE outlandish statements. bt its not, pity..

    point 4.. lost me there… sry..

    point 5… vibrance of life, i guess to you means that you dont want to have an rules in your life.  for centuries, man has tried t oget around a higher authority, evolution, and myths were created to explain stars and how we got here, man wants to escape authority at all costs,  its our nature.  but someday, you WILL stand b an authority, adn you wil be accountable for you cchoices… your victory, will be over Christ’s dead boy.

    MichealPeacock… lol… i find that amusing although inaccurate… thx for the laugh.. nah his TRUE wil was to go destroy ALL teh amalekites, the reasons was casue teh AMelk..people hadreapeatedly disobeyed god.  isreal was only the punishment god sent on them

    jory,  actually i think webster defines sacrifice just a LITTLE differently…    he was testing faithfulness. you ever had a dog? you should be able to sympathize here!
    jory   um yeah… he just helps there some times too…

    zilch-  thank the lord someone here does! 
    well that has been on the adgenda,  that and no praying for lunch(at lunch)(i dont think the kids have to ask god for cafeteria food, i think that comes from another place)  also taking under god out from the pledge of alegiance… all things i dont advocate.  on that note of sience. here it comes. there is no more faith needed to believe creation, than to believe evolution. evolotuion has no percetage chance fo working, it is logically impossible.  so is creation.  mutations on animals decrease thier functionalty 95% of the time. evolution needs that fact to be flipped flooped in thier favor.    there are no common day examples, and no missing links found.  2 of the four missing links documented have now been found to be 1, a doctored human skull, and the other teh skull of a female chimpanze..  the other 2 are human, but out of two bones, we cant draw too much… and definately not a whole man. the system of dating had to be changed, becasue other wise these bones would only be about 3 thousand years old.  so no evidence for creation,  no evidence for evolution.    now i WOULd be happy, if they tought only creation,  i believe it so of course i think that. but i of course realize that would be pointless.  and in another way, i dont think it should be taught exclusivly becaseu that would eliminate all possiblitites… but i dont see why we cant teach two THEORIES… one Evolution… and 2 Inteligent Design… bothare possible.  but instead of teaching our kids atheism. lets show them a possiblity… casue saying there is no god, is like saing “there is no gold in china”  i havent searched all of china,  and noone has searched everywhere god COULD be.  well, sience, stil cant explain the proton,  why does it all stick together… they are still wroking on that.  where do protons come from?  (and, dont think I think I know…  casue i sure cant answer that!

    hey thx for teh offer,  but take me to a place wehere they dont ID you… casue that could be hard to explain…  thx for all you time reading this.  i hope noone thinks i am an ass… well at least no a horrible big one.. a little one is ok…

    to most of yall who replied,  dont think i am at all impressed by those of you who threw the word “fuck” around… none impressive  
    second for those of you who wonder at all why on earth i am here,  PLEASE read this passage.

    Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto them, When I bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land take a man of their coasts, and set him for their watchman:

      3If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people;

      4Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head.

      5He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul.

      6But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman’s hand.

      7So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me.

      8When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

      9Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul. 

    i now must say, based on what i say, if you die, adn when you stand b4 my GOd,  you will have to answer to him,  and you will have to say i HEARD, adn did not believe.  your blood is on thy head.

    and to clsoe on a happy note…

    A man went to the doctor and said, “Doctor, I’ve got a problem, but if you’re going to treat it, first you’ve got to promise not to laugh.”

    “Of course I won’t laugh,” the doctor said. “I’m a professional. In over twenty years I’ve never laughed at a patient.”

    “OK then,” the man said, and proceeded to drop his trousers, revealing the tiniest penis the doctor has ever seen.

    Unable to control himself, the doctor fell laughing to the floor. Ten minutes later he was able to struggle to his feet and regain his composure.

    “I’m so sorry,” he said. “I don’t know what came over me. On my honor as a doctor and a gentleman, I promise it won’t happen again.”

    “OK,” the man says.

    “Now,” the doctor says, getting down to business. “What seems to be the problem?”

    “Well,” the guy says, “it’s swollen….” 

    and a nice clean one…

    Little Lisa was in the garden filling up a big hole in the dirt when her neighbor peered over the fence. Interested in what the cheeky-faced youngster was up to, he politely asked, “What are you doing there, Lisa?”

    “My goldfish died,” replied Lisa tearfully without looking up, “and I’ve just buried him.”

    The neighbor was very concerned.

    “That’s an awfully big hole for a goldfish, isn’t it?” he asked.

    Lisa patted down the last heap of dirt then replied, “That’s because he’s inside your cat.”

     

     

     

     

    k home yall have a great night! 

    Sincerely
    ___________

  29. Wow. So many (improperly spelled) words to say so very little. I bet you had to take a nap after all of that nonsense.

  30. Whatever: even if you don’t believe in god, don’t attribute everything bad that happens to him

    We don’t and, we don’t even attribute the good stuff to him … COS HE DOESN’T EXIST!!
    Sheesh – can nothing penetrate that firewall? Information? Doubt? Reason?
    Most of us believe in one less god than you do. One day you may wake up from the scam slumber and believe the same – until that time …
    Remember when you believed in Santa, the Bunny and the Fairy? Well the god stuff you believe in is absolutely like that. It was invented to keep control of the masses; to keep them as slaves – you are being controlled by perceived outside forces … but, we aren’t so therefore we are free, non-slaves, and the feeling is extremely liberating.
    You mentioned up there somewhere that Sodom was wiped out cos of the actions of a coupla gays.
    I wonder if you’d feel as casual if god said that he wiped out the Twin Towers cos a coupla gays were there … as well as your straight parents (I’m assuming). Don’t you think it’d be a bit extreme?
    C’mon, you’re allowed to judge god – he doesn’t exist no matter what those parasites you call priests and pastors say.

    but I don’t see why we cant teach two THEORIES… one Evolution… and 2 Intelligent Design… both are possible.

    One reason is the separation of church and state stuff you may be familiar with.
    Another is that one is science and the other is only religion no matter how you dress it up – a rose by any other name is still a rose.
    Another reason is that ID/Creationism comes from a babbling book that is so archaic, simple and not science you wouldn’t have a gun, car or plane let alone computer or phone if that’s what the inventors relied on.
    Science is what allows you to do what you’re doing here, NOT god.
    Wake up, mate – study and read and search out information – it’ll set you free.

    I dunno why I’m wasting my time … your love, subordination and enslavement to the concept of this invisible man in the sky is immune to any logic.

    Peace

  31. les… nah… i didnt

    lunkyjohn…  right… read a little towards teh top… itll help you immensly…      actually all of the above… information…  doubt.. “can he stil not see waht im saying?”  reason… “of course he can,  he just doesnt want to, casue answering to a creator for his actions, would hinder his lifestyle. and promote guilt.. that would be uncomfortable.  ” yup all three…

    you can prove there is no santa,  you can prove there is no tooth fairy (at least not one that does everything it claims, but you canont prove there is no god, 

    u mactually both sodom and amelek were wiped out becasue the entire nation had turned fro mgod, adn went there own way. entire isnt obviously refering to 100 but majority,  so you analogy, while moving is inaccurate,  lets put it in a better light, to be blunt, Mine. if the twin towers were wiped out, becuase it was the gay heaquarters of america, and my straight parents weree one of the 10 straight people in there, i would have to wonder why they were working in a place where they should be working. it is just like lot, who ALMOST died with sodom, except for gods grace, who gave him a way of escape.  but he had no buisness being in sodom. yet he was tehre and ALMOST died there.   
    parasties… there is that bitterness again!

    OH GOOD! i was HOPING somone would throw that in!  would you mind telling me wehre that phrase is from? and make sure you check it out b4 you tell me… yup… and furthermore, the intention of that was that the STATE would not chose a government defined religeon. as was teh case under teh rule of the king.  infact, te men who wrote the laws for ourcountry were on the majority VERY religeous. and that is evidenced in our constitution, adn or pledge of alegiance. youd like to take that out,  but it just hasnt seemed to work yet- has it?  so where does evolution come from, a man who later stated he didnt even believe what he wrote. you cant prove evolution   and to the contrary,  god gave us teh brains to invent, and the curiosity to want more. we were inteligently designed.  furthermore,  if you love your sience is so great, what holds protons together? explain that,  what started the bigbang,  where did life originally come from? has the earth always been here? wehre did whats always been here come from?  all those questions sience wont answer… i want more.

    you want me to wake up,  you want me t obe set free,  that is only cause you see me hindered by the chains of my faith,  that is not the case. you think you are free t odo as you please casue you believe i nnothing,  i say if you are truly free, leave your sin. you think you are free but you are bound by the tightest chains imagineable.  i am not trying to soud judgemental,  but i as well, have little power over sin, but as a christain,  i have the power of god the son, jesus,  helping me to defeat my sin nature. a power you have never known.  so you say i should be set free,  believe me the TRUTH, is what WILL set you free, and it is the freedom to conquer sin that you lack.

    i dunno why i am wasting my time,  your love of you sin, subordination and enslavement to a dead, fairytale writer(darwin), is imune to all logic

    peace~ 

    elwedriddsche~~

    Its just one guy who cant type, and yes i would be VERY happy if you saw the gravity of your situation, and i have something that helped me i feel compelled to share, and whenever yall are ready for me to leave, quiit responding and i will know its time to go,  and also if you want me out casue i dont see things the way you do,  i understand that too!  anyhow, nice use of big words   big long name person

    take care yall

    solio de gloria

    ttyl

  32. You can prove there is no santa, you can prove there is no tooth fairy (at least not one that does everything it claims, but you canont prove there is no god,

    You also can’t disprove the existance of leprachans and fairies, yet we don’t create religions worshipping them and we don’t beat people over the head with our false religion’s Book of Lies whenever we can’t counter their arguments.

    u [sic] mactually [sic] both sodom [sic] and amelek [sic] were wiped out becasue [sic] the entire nation had turned fro [sic] mgod [sic], adn [sic] went there [sic] own way. entire [sic] isnt [sic] obviously refering to 100 but majority [sic], so you analogy,  while moving is inaccurate, lets put it in a better light, to be blunt, Mine [sic]. if [sic] the twin towers were wiped out, becuase [sic] it was the gay heaquarters [sic] of america [sic], and my straight parents weree [sic] one of the 10 [sic] straight people in there, i [sic] would have to wonder why they were working in a place where they should be working. it [sic] is just like lot [sic], who ALMOST died with sodom [sic], except for gods [sic] grace, who gave him a way of escape.  but [sic] he had no buisness [sic] being in sodom [sic]. yet he was tehre [sic] and ALMOST died there.

    I quoted the above passage because, quite frankly, your spelling and grammar is terrible.  Did you say you are a mathmatician?  Perhaps you should have taken a few classes in English.  I find it ironic that you criticize someone for not understanding the meaning of the word suicide, yet you yourself fail to string together a simple sentence without errors.

  33. Some Random Comment Troll: You can prove there is no santa, you can prove there is no tooth fairy (at least not one that does everything it claims, but you canont prove there is no god,

    Your ignorance is pretty stunning. Are you aware that it is impossible to prove a negative? No, I can’t prove that there is no god any more than I can prove that there is no Santa. However, I think that the likelihood of either existing is about the same (i.e. not very high). I certainly don’t believe that your conception of god exists. If he did, you can be damn sure that I wouldn’t worship him.

  34. ntyb- if you’re sixteen or older, you can legally drink beer in Austria.
    What holds protons together?  According to Jack Chick, Jesus does: “by Him are all things held together” (Collossians 1:17).  According to science, the strong nuclear force, which is not completely understood, but is quite accurately measurable and predictable, does.  Which sounds more likely to you? 

    And while there is no ultimate explanation (so far) uniting the weak and strong nuclear forces and electromagnetic force with gravity, the incomplete models we have now are stunningly accurate.  As Richard Feynman pointed out, “If you were to measure the distance from Los Angeles to New York to this accuracy, it would be exact to the thickness of a human hair.”

    Scientific models of the world, while necessarily imperfect and incomplete, conform immeasurably better to observations than the Bible does, and are able to make predictions that can be confirmed, unlike the Bible.  Not surprising, given that the Bible was written by prescientific nomads millenia ago.  Why should we regard the Bible as anything other than a quaint relict of our past?

    And speaking of the Bible- I notice you mentioned the Amalekites.  Could you explain to me in your own words why God told the Israelites to kill all the Amalek babies?

  35. Sadie: Your ignorance is pretty stunning.

    Girl, you’re just too smart to be so delectable (I sent my 30 yo nephew a link to another thing in SEB – he emailed back “old sexy sadie’s is not bad, and smart” … I haven’t acknowledged yet – what should I tell him? This is not a trick question.). LOL

    Zilch – the poor kid’s fucked and too far from home (I think it’s a saying but I’m too pissed to care about this child’s future).
    GOD – YOU CAN HAVE HIM!! … why wasn’t there a sign? … Next …

    I’m going to the club …
    Have a great … … what day is it again?

  36. you can prove there is no santa, you can prove there is no tooth fairy (at least not one that does everything it claims, but you canont prove there is no god

    If you were to put a condition that in one night santa would have to travel to x numbers of houses,
    with an average distance between equal to y, total distance xy would require santa to travel at a speed xy/24hours not counting the time spent in each house, the friction caused by air resistance from travelling at such speed would generate enough heat to vapourise santa as a physical being extremely quickly, as such it wouldn’t be possible for one lone santa to deliver all presents as theorised
    source of info:
    http://attrition.org/misc/humor/xmas-proof.html

    as a side note i always find it a wierd idea a possible god would create people only to worship him, but i can’t make judgements about stuff i have no way of knowing

  37. I’m not sure whether to be amused or appalled by his responses. There’s a little of both to be found in them.

  38. Zilch: if you’re sixteen or older, you can legally drink beer in Austria.

    And if you’re eighteen or older you can legally make ANY decision, including to drink or not to drink, in Australia.
    Obviously North Americans are immature.
    Ya know what amused me? When I was in Vietnam in 69 North American kids were old enough to go to war – kill men, women and kids BUT were not old enough to drink – there was strangeness in the air … the government obviously knew their slaves’ limitations … wink

    the thickness of a human hair

    Mmm … love that stuff …

    prescientific nomads

    Aaahh – love that also, TOO.  LOL

    I think we have to give up on this child – remember the old Jesuit saying: give me child till he’s seven and he’s mine for life … the kid’s gone troppo … he’s owned.
    Fare thee well kid – come back if you want some REALITY – otherwise keep your sermons for brown-skinned people who can so much more easily be sucked into your insanity … you know … the type of people your WASPs like making war upon.
    The only white-skinned people y’all ever made war upon were Germans but that’s only cos they wanted to rule the world and hell .. that’s your job.  LOL
    Fuck, I amuse me – musta had not enough to drink – I can still see the keys.  wink
    It’s 1am – I’m going to bed. smile

  39. nottellingyoubasturds wrote:

    where do protons come from

    By the way each proton consists of 3 quarks held together by gluons. There are 3 types of quark, quarks have mass and (i think) account for the positive charge of the proton. A different combination of 3 quarks gives the neutron with neutral, and so implies not all quarks have the same charge, or at least they don’t all add charge. Though there are forces that hold a nucleus together i don’t know why the hell there should be considering protons are all positive, could be to do with spin, since different isotopes have different numbers of neutrons and different overall spins of the nucleus and different nucleur stability. Certainly neutrons are involved in the attraction.
    I couldn’t tell you why gluons hold quarks together, but you may find it interesting that a high energy electron is essentially no different than an antiquark, note energy and mass are interconvertable with relativity so its ok to say it becomes an antiparticle with negative mass, and you could account for it having a whole charge (and not 1/3 as you may expect when i said 3 quarks make a proton) by saying each quark of a certain type has a whole charge and one type has no charge, you can combine (add or subtract) different combinations of 1 for electron or 3 for proton and neutron to account for charges.
    There remains the question why there are more quarks than electrons if electrons were the way of disposing of antiquarks after the big bang in a way that won’t eliminate matter, i couldn’t tell you, but you may find interesting that antimatter would behave the same as matter if time, spin, mass and charge were inverted but as time cannot be inverted they behave differently which may account for why it was the antiquarks that changed into electrons and why the number of quarks outnumbers
    a possible theory is that most antimatter (and some matter) was projected back in time at the point of the big bang to allow something to be created from nothing, some antimatter was projected forwards to allow electrons but most might not have been. still i couldn’t tell you why the hell the big bang happened when it did, the scale it did, or why it hasn’t happened again since
    a problem for big bang theory is that at the start matter would have been so dense that gravity would have been many times that of a black hole, and so no expansion should have happened, possibly presence of some antimatter had a negative gravity that pushed the universe outwards and possibly accounts for the apparant accelaration we see in expasion today
    gravity would appear to be a time related force, though i couldn’t tell you why time goes forward at the rate it does. people say everything has it’s own sense of time, though i can only understand it by comparing relative time to absolute time, in otherwords you need two types of time to define rate of time in terms of time
    i couldn’t tell you why any forces should apply in the universe, why spin affects energy, why charges attract/repel, why gravity should apply, etc

  40. LJ: The only white-skinned people y’all ever made war upon were Germans but that’s only cos they wanted to rule the world and hell .. that’s your job.

    Ah, Carlin…

    That man is about as close as I come to having a personal deity. Seen him live three times, own all the cd’s, books and HBO specials and I’ve watched/read/listened to them all at least 100 times.

  41. LuckyJohn: the kid’s gone troppo … he’s owned.

    I suspect that this guy really is ruined for life. It’s too bad that his utter asininity makes him unworthy of sympathy.

    And speaking of “going troppo,” I can’t believe it’s been five years since ol’George left us. downer

  42. KPG: Do you have Carlin’s first album, the one covered with photo vending machine pictures, in which he has no facial hair and short hair?  I found a copy in a cut-out bin at a Woolco store when I was a kid, over 30 years ago.  I had no idea who he was when I bought the album, it was like a dime or so, and I liked the album cover.

    Woolco was Woolworth’s answer to K-Mart.  A friend of mine got busted at the Woolco store for suspicion of shoplifting, and Woolco called the cops.  The cop lifted my friends shirt, and found what he supposedly had shoplifted tucked in the waistband of of his pants—it was his own wallet.  Woolco blamed the whole incident on my friend!  Needless to say, word got around at school and all of a sudden there were a bunch of kids carrying their wallet under their shirts when they shopped at Woolco.

  43. Distant Claws – great explanation although a little too deep for children and other simple people like me.
    I doubt the child was expecting anything quite so elaborate when he posed the throw-away question.
    ‘Dr Dino’ would have given a much simpler explanation.

    KPG: Ah, Carlin…

    Yeah, Carlin; the clever bastardLOL

    Sadie: the one and only

    He was my favourite too – is a bloke allowed to say that about another bloke? Do I care?  LOL

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