Fundies Say the [Scariest] Things!

Hey, wanna see something really scary? Then go read Fundies Say the Darndest Things! But be warned that exposure to large amounts of Fundamentalist bullshit in a short period of time can cause your brain to seize up from repeatedly saying “what the hell?!?” Here’s a few samples of the drool inducing idiocy you’ll find there:

    ”[How to know God is real]

    First leave the skepticism at the door because it is just going to get in the way. ”

    Guerrillasaint, Atheists Anonymous

    “But all the knowledge we attain on earth is meaningless unless there is a use for it in heaven.

    God does not care how much we know unless it is used to advance the kingdom of God.

    The bible says that he will meet all our needs.

    All the “knowledge” we attain will be done away with in heaven, so we only need to find out what heaven is all about and teach that.”

    Soulja †, Myspace

    “[If everything needs a cause, why not turn that logic around and ask what caused God?]

    This logic would only aplly to the ones that need such logic, since we do not need such logic to understand god, we don’t need to worry about that, but since you need that kinda logic to not believe in god, you are the target audience for such a debate, not us.”

    BigChrisFilm, Christian Forums

    “Science is a weak little kid on the block, that is hearing impaired, and 94% blind. The bible is like the hubble telescope, and a master computer, and a time machine rolled into one. It goes to the past, and the distant future in a cosmic rolls royce. But those who are not concerned with the bible, and just science must accept their huge limitations.”

    dad, 123 Christian Forums

    “In reality, God used slavery to deliver Africans from ignorance of the One True God. Again, suffering is used to bring people to God. It is a common theme.”

    Lisa0315, Christian Forums

Don’t say I didn’t warn you.

238 thoughts on “Fundies Say the [Scariest] Things!

  1. Well, my mind is officially blown.

    “”[How eating pork leads to wife swapping]

    The pig is the most shameless animal on the face of the earth. It is the only animal that invites its friends to have sex with its mate. In America, most people consume pork. Many times after dance parties, they have swapping of wives; i.e. many say “you sleep with my wife and I will sleep with your wife.” If you eat pigs then you behave like pigs.”

  2. See, I can look at the slavery-was-God’s-purpose thing and just get angry (“Here, let’s hope that God gifts you with some equally profound growth experiences”), but the pork-chops-wife-swapping thing just … leaves me … speechless …

  3. Looking at the quote in context, the comment is by a Muslim on a Christian forum asking why Christians eat pork when it is forbidden in the Old Testament (as it is in Islamic law). 

    Just to be sure we’re keeping our Fundamentalists straight.  God knows there are Fundie quacks of all flavors.

  4. I’ve enjoyed fstdt.com for a while now. You have to be in the right frame of mind to enjoy it, however, and not let the asinine “darnedest things” get to you. Otherwise you just might feel suicidal.

  5. Isn’t it a scary world? I read most of those and all I could do was worry about the state of education in the US. It’s sad, but true, to be religious you must be ignorant. It’s too bad we can’t just say, “Yep, you’re right, the world is really 4,000 years old. Give me you nuclear power plants, oil, VCRs, DVDs, Internet, blogers, etc. back. Too bad the technology behind them depends on science that says the universe is 14 billion years old and the Earth only 4.5.”

  6. “Science is a weak little kid on the block, that is hearing impaired, and 94% blind. The bible is like the hubble telescope, and a master computer, and a time machine rolled into one. It goes to the past, and the distant future in a cosmic rolls royce. But those who are not concerned with the bible, and just science must accept their huge limitations.

  7. Some Random Fundie: It goes to the past, and the distant future in a cosmic rolls royce.

    I can’t believe that this idiot has referenced the best damned car ever made* in an attempt to make his (bizarre) point.

    *I allude to the best damned car ever made outside of the Volkswagon van, of course.

  8. In America, most people consume pork. Many times after dance parties, they have swapping of wives; i.e. many say “you sleep with my wife and I will sleep with your wife.

  9. In America, most people consume pork. Many times after dance parties, they have swapping of wives; i.e. many say “you sleep with my wife and I will sleep with your wife.

  10. Damn.  Should have said “farting stranger…

    Why do I hate preview so?

  11. In America, most people consume pork. Many times after dance parties, they have swapping of wives; i.e. many say “you sleep with my wife and I will sleep with your wife.

  12. I think we’re having roast pork at the wedding, and many of our relatives are elderly…

    But are they female? LOL

  13. Well, too bad you won’t be answering to “foolish fundies” when you die. If we’re right, you’ll be answering to the One that was smart enough to create every fiber of your being.
      Praying you’ll reconsider now, before you face that unfathomable intelligence – He whose smarts are only equalled by His willingness to die for the very ones who mock Him.
    Love to you and your readers.
    From, a former mocker who decided to really look in to this Jesus character. Read the Bible for yourself, and see if Jesus was foolish.

  14. Read the Bible for yourself, and see if Jesus was foolish.

    Done it, and the way he was portrayed he wasn’t foolish so much as a spoiled son-of-a-bitch. Not that he actually existed.

    Love to you and your readers.

    Make love all day longmake love singing songs

  15. See, now this just pisses me off…

    From, a former mocker who decided to really look in to this Jesus character. Read the Bible for yourself, and see if Jesus was foolish.

    Another arrogant asshole Christian who thinks he knows enough about me to offer advice. Had Mr/Mrs “Praying 4u” taken the time to read through some of the archives perhaps they’d be aware of the fact that I was a former devout Christian who did take it upon themselves to read the Bible. That it was, in fact, said readings that led me away from the church. But no, Mr. Holier-Than-Thou-Fucking-Know-It-all assumes that I’ve not bothered and that a mere reading will be enough to brain wash me into th Christian fold. .

    Go back to praying and stop offering advice to strangers unless you’re willing to take the time to know the truth beforehand, dipshit.

  16. Another arrogant asshole Christian who thinks he knows enough about me to offer advice. Had Mr/Mrs “Praying 4u

  17. Done it, and the way he was portrayed he wasn’t foolish so much as a spoiled son-of-a-bitch. Not that he actually existed.

    Spoiled? How so? Materially? Socially? I’m not getting you?

  18. Done it, and the way he was portrayed he wasn’t foolish so much as a spoiled son-of-a-bitch. Not that he actually existed.

    raspberry

    Spoiled? How so? Materially? Socially? I’m not getting you?

    I’m looking forward to this stoush. LOL

  19. I work with a fundie.  He’s a nice guy and will respectfully disagree with me when we argue (I’m an atheist although I portray myself as a lapsed catholic).  The other day, though, he said something that just blew my mind.
    We were talking about working when sick. 

    I said: “Man, I’d have to hit you with a brick to get you to stay home when you’re sick”.
    He said “Well, that’s just the way I was raised: you work hard no matter what”
    Me:“Yeah, but when you come to work sick, you’re not helping anyone.  We get your cold and you delay your recovery by working instead of resting.”
    Him:“It’s up to god whether you get sick or not.  I pray you won’t get sick.”
    Me (after a pause to collect my thoughts, which have been scattered by this theological h-bomb):
    “Well I pray not to get in an accident, but I wear my seatbelt”

    That then turned into an argument about the effectiveness of seatbelts.

    As I said, he’s a nice guy, but that kind of ignorance is dangerous.

  20. [Jesus] Spoiled? How so?

    Well, what about the little temper tantrum he threw when the fig tree had no fruit, even though it was out of season?  Sounds spoiled to me…

  21. “Praying” writes…

    Hmmm, I wonder if you’ve ever posted a comment on someone’s blog (a public forum) before reading as much of their history as possible?

    Only when I wasn’t offering advice or criticism about an aspect of their personal history.

    It’s one thing to show up and toss your two cents in on the utility of, say, Nike shoes without knowing much of the back story of the blog owner, but it’s another thing to show up and start criticizing their religious viewpoint and how they got to it without at least taking the time to ensure you have a clue about what you’re commenting on.

    You showed up and made a piss-poor attempt at converting us to Christianity with your comment of praying you’ll reconsider now, before you face that unfathomable intelligence and I don’t recall asking you to do so. I’m all for discussion of religious subjects here, in fact I initiate quite a few of them, but if all you’ve got in mind is spewing out your concerns that we’re going to be sorry one day when we meet your invisible Sky Daddy then you can save us both a lot of aggravation and keep it to yourself. Especially if you’re not going to take the time to find out whether we’ve been down that path before.

    Anyhow, point taken. I will, in fact, read some of your archives. I’d be fascinated to learn what parts of scripture turned you off.

    Pretty much all of it turned me off once I was took the time to read the whole thing and see the big picture. The God described in the Bible is not worthy of worship even if he did exist.

    As for me being holier-than-thou (or anyone, for that matter). that’s laughable. Unfortunately, my behavior is often as deplorable as many Christians. It’s embarrasing, until we learn that our faith in Christ doesn’t instantly make us perfect. I’m working on me day by day (and asking God to work on me), but as you know, the Bible doesn’t claim we believers will be perfected this side of heaven.

    I’m not asking you to be perfect, I’m asking you to be considerate and not presume to know us without taking the time to learn from us first. You were so eager to get your message across that you even had to make it part of your pseudonym as though it would somehow make us realize the deep seated concern for our spiritual well being you supposedly have.

    Despite our differences in faith, I like your blog. Some funny stuff. I plan to read more, and post more here. G’day to you.

    You’re more than welcome to participate, but I suggest choosing a better handle to address your comments by.

  22. Well, I admit I hardly got off to a good start if the rule of the day is a civil discussion. I’ll try to be more respectful, and I have done some archive reading (including the atheism FAQ you linked to).
      I think I caved in to the temptation of being as blunt as some of the atheistic messages posted here (eg. “off to kill, gut, and cook one of my weaker neighbors”). In hindsight (ain’t it grand?), I can see how such an approach can fetch nothing but defensiveness.
     

    You were so eager to get your message across that you even had to make it part of your pseudonym as though it would somehow make us realize the deep seated concern for our spiritual well being you supposedly have.

      I do have a deep seated concern for your spiritual well-being. I have no interest in pushing my opinion on others just because I want to be right. However, my faith in Christ would be rather useless if I didn’t believe salvation itself was at stake.
      That said, I don’t believe the message of the gospel can be proven by rational analysis alone. If that were the case, where would faith enter the picture? I also don’t think the gospel should be forced, legislated, or whacked in to someone. Then again, some tend to respond to Christ’s love, others more to buy spiritual “fire insurance.”
      My choice of name (praying4u) shouldn’t bother anybody if they really don’t believe in God. If that’s the case, my name should be equivalent (in that person’s view) to “wastingtime”. However, solely because you have a cool beard, I’ll humor you and swith to something else. I’ll go with “looking4truth,” because I suspect we’re both engaged in that pursuit, regardless of our conclusions about said truth so far. S’alright?
    The dipshit…

  23. However, solely because you have a cool beard, I’ll humor you and swith to something else. I’ll go with “looking4truth,

  24. Again my beef wasn’t with you being blunt, but rather in being presumptuous. Do you have any idea how many Christians show up here on a semi-regular basis and start lecturing us on how we should try reading the Bible without checking to see if any of us have? I apologize for biting your head off, but after years of that sort of thing it tends to become a bit of a sore spot.

    I do have a deep seated concern for your spiritual well-being. I have no interest in pushing my opinion on others just because I want to be right. However, my faith in Christ would be rather useless if I didn’t believe salvation itself was at stake.

    Is it really concern for my well-being or your belief that Jesus said you should be trying to convert others that motivates you?

    That said, I don’t believe the message of the gospel can be proven by rational analysis alone. If that were the case, where would faith enter the picture?

    I agree it can’t be proven by rational analysis alone in part because good chunks of it defy rationality, but that doesn’t mean you can’t have a rational reason for accepting it as true.

    In my experience, however, accepting something purely on faith often leads to unfortunate results. I have faith in a great many things, but that faith has a rational basis.

    Then again, some tend to respond to Christ’s love, others more to buy spiritual “fire insurance.

  25. Double dipping ‘cause Zilch snuck one in on me…

    Les, we have a civil dipshit here… Didn’t Heinlein have something good to say about civility?

    Indeed, and I’ve apologized for being so cranky. Honestly though it was another drive-by troll and was just highly annoyed about it.

  26. Looking4truth, formerly known as Praying4u: Spoiled? How so? Materially? Socially? I’m not getting you?

    Based on my reading of the Bible, Christ had a fairly massive ego. The basis for this interpretation came mostly from these Matthew quotes:

    Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn
        ” ‘a man against his father,
        a daughter against her mother,
        a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—

      36 your enemies will be the members of your own household.’ [d]

      37 “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves a son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39 Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it.

    Can we say self-absorbed? Granted, if I were told that I were the offspring of “god,” I might be a little uppity myself. But to cast people into hell simply for the stroking of one’s ego is hardly exemplary behavior, even for the purported son of god.

    By the way, welcome aboard, Looking4truth. We throw great parties.  cheese

  27. I apologize for biting your head off, but after years of that sort of thing it tends to become a bit of a sore spot.

      Yeah, well, I’m sorry for sounding all righteous. Wasn’t it Ghandi who said something like:
      “Your Christ I like – it’s his followers I can’t stand.” Lord, help me to not come across like a freak.

    Is it really concern for my well-being or your belief that Jesus said you should be trying to convert others that motivates you?

      Now there’s a million dollar question. In all honesty, it’s a mixture of both. Yes, I want to comply with the great commission, but since I do believe in a literal heaven and hell, the underlying motivation is less to “please the boss,” than having to deal with the thought of someone experiencing that hell/being denied heaven. Why would I bring this message here to this board? I mean, I surely don’t know y’all well enough to have developed any personal concern. However, you gotta admit that the title of your site alone is going to provoke curiousity. (I should probably ask what lead to that name, lest I assume something and stick foot in mouth again). I’m not sure what makes me want to linger here, and provide food for thought. I’ll admit up front that I’d love for every reader here to come to faith in Christ, but I also believe that that’s ultimately God’s job. All I can do is share my own observations from the Christian perspective, and let you (and the other readers) sort it out.
    Do I have anything beyond the tired old advert for the faith? We’ll see.
      Love your description of the Mummy scene. My response to your question of why God would grant someone salvation who was simply covering their butt is twofold:
    A) God granting salvation to a person says everything about Him, and very little (if anything) about us. Therefore, even if the person had a “cheap” reason for coming to Christ, God still gets the glory in that person’s salvation. That, to me, is what makes the Christian God so attractive. I don’t have to attain salvation through my own efforts. Not that I shouldn’t strive for holiness, but fooling myself into thinking I can get there on my own? Well, there’s lots of other religions that will offer you that exhausting/impossible route.
    B) The Bible doesn’t gaurantee that those merely buying the “fire insurance” are true believers. Too me, one of the most frightening lines of scripture is Matthew 7:21:
    “Not everyone who says to me,‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven; but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.”
      It’s a quandary. On one hand, all who believe in the Son are saved, on the other hand, how exactly is that “believe” word defined?
      I’ll probably sneak in a few prayers (on my own, in a closet) for you and your readers, but it’s not meant as a threat.
      Oh, and BTW, I initially got to your site when I did a google search on the New Jersey Devils team name. You had an entry on that last year. I live in Carolina, and would love nothing more than for the Canes to stomp the Devils. When the Devils win the Stanley Cup 6 years straight, I’ll REALLY know the end is nigh!
      Regards.

  28. OK, now we’re getting somewhere. I’m really starting to like L4T…

    Now there’s a million dollar question. In all honesty, it’s a mixture of both. Yes, I want to comply with the great commission, but since I do believe in a literal heaven and hell, the underlying motivation is less to “please the boss,

  29. I live in Carolina, and would love nothing more than for the Canes to stomp the Devils. When the Devils win the Stanley Cup 6 years straight, I’ll REALLY know the end is nigh!
    Regards.

    Psh, it doesn’t matter anyways, because Ottawa is going to win the Stanley cup anyways.  cheese

  30. L4F:

    some tend to respond to Christ’s love, others more to buy spiritual “fire insurance.

  31. Unfortunately, my behavior is often as deplorable as many Christians. It’s embarrasing, until we learn that our faith in Christ doesn’t instantly make us perfect. I’m working on me day by day (and asking God to work on me), but as you know, the Bible doesn’t claim we believers will be perfected this side of heaven.

    I’ve never understood why people who have so much to work on feel justified in instructing others.

    Looking4truth, have you ever considered that writers of the Bible fashioned the “bring others to God” inducement in order to swell the ranks of their club. If nothing else, religious instructors crave neophytes: It feeds a sense of worth.

    Truth be told, I’ll probably never completely understand why people feel compelled to instruct others in something as mysterious and unprovable as a religion.

  32. Truth be told, I’ll probably never completely understand why people feel compelled to instruct others in something as mysterious and unprovable as a religion.

    Money. LOL

  33.   A) God granting salvation to a person says everything about Him, and very little (if anything) about us. Therefore, even if the person had a “cheap

  34. P4Y writes…

    This seems to be a theme here – how God just demands worship and obedience because He’s just a power-tripper. I would recommend a book called “Desiring God,

  35. If you believe in the concept of an omnipotent, omniscient, etc. god, how incredibly vain is it to think you can understand he/she/it’s motivations?  For that matter, why would god fit into our classifications?  There’s a sect of Islam (I think it’s the Sufi, but I may be completely wrong) that has that fact at it’s base: God is divine and cannot be understood by mere mortals.
    There’s probably a sect of christianity that says much the same thing.

  36. MoP writes…

    If you believe in the concept of an omnipotent, omniscient, etc. god, how incredibly vain is it to think you can understand he/she/it’s motivations?

    Everfresh Translation: I can’t think of a good answer to your insightful and troubling question so I’ll just pretend God is beyond comprehension even though everyone and their Uncle claims to know what it is God wants us to do.

    I’m sorry, but that’s a copout. There’s also nothing vain about it—arrogant perhaps, but not vain—and it would only be arrogant if I accept the idea that God exists and was challenging his authority.

    For that matter, why would god fit into our classifications?

    Why shouldn’t he? If we’re made in his image then surely we share many of the same aspects. Again, this is a copout.

    There’s a sect of Islam (I think it’s the Sufi, but I may be completely wrong) that has that fact at it’s base: God is divine and cannot be understood by mere mortals.
    There’s probably a sect of christianity that says much the same thing.

    Lots of Christians make that claim and then turn around and tell us all sorts of things about what God says and what he wants as though they understand him. Seems he’s only not understandable by mere mortals when we’re asked difficult questions about him. When we’re busy telling others how to live their lives then understanding God and what he wants is pretty damned easy it seems. How convenient.

  37. Woah, easy.  I’m on your side.  I’m an atheist. 

    My point was that if you believe in god, that doesn’t mean you understand god.  I was trying to say that since “god” (although I don’t believe in the concept) can’t be understood, then evangelists should shut the fuck up.

  38. Oh man, such awesome questions. I’m not saying that to flatter you, but because they are such legitimate stumbling blocks to faith. Very similar to the issues that kept me away from Jesus until I was 36.
      Before I address some of your issues, let me say that my theology (like anyone’s) is shaped by some of the extra-biblical stuff I’ve read (like John Piper, etc). In presenting my thoughts, I’ll do my best to attribute lines of reasoning to that concept’s originator vs. my own opinion vs. bare scripture. I do believe in scripture solara (the reason I left the Catholic tradition of my childhood), so I’m always wary of presenting Bible concepts that (however well meaning) are Man’s thinking aboud God, rather than what God himself says about His person. I get a funny feeling (not sure why) that many readers here have been put off exploring these things because of bone-head actions by those claiming to know God better than they do.

    This is one of my biggest beefs with the Christian concept of God: the idea that he wants to be worshiped at all. God is supposedly a perfect creature and we are supposedly so lowly as to be undeserving of his attention and yet this supposedly perfect being “wants

  39. L4T…

    The thought of my own mortality scares me, the idea of one day not existing.  The thought that that will also happen to my children upsets me.  I want there to be a point to all this.  But I can not believe.  God was quite happy to reveal him self 4000 years ago. Why not now? You will no doubt wish to reply with something about faith, but how can I?  If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, why should I deny it is a duck?  This is what religeon seems to want me to do, especially Young Earth Creationism. Having faith that it is an elephant does not make it an elephant.

  40. Mop wrote:

    If you believe in the concept of an omnipotent, omniscient, etc. god, how incredibly vain is it to think you can understand he/she/it’s motivations?

    But we Christians don’t believe we can understand those motivations on our own. If we just wanted you to listen to out take on what we think God is like, our opinions would be as useful, as, say, our tastes in music.

    However, since we do believe that the Bible is God’s communication, we can’t help but want others to have a chance to hear the message, and the great news it contains. If others want to disregard the message, that’s their choice.

    I can’t speak for all Christians, but for me, I sometimes think that the divine communication has been misinterpreted, shared for one’s own glory, used for personal gain, etc. so much that many have disregarded the message itself due to the poor wy it has been presented.

    I can’t help but read the Bible and interpret it as good news. God is for us, and has great things in store for those who trust him. If I didn’t want other people to get in on it, you could rightfully call me selfish.

    Of course, I could be wrong in my interpretation that the Gospel is truth. If that’s so, and we all meet somewhere (?) after this life, I’ll feel really stupid, offer massive apologies, and maybe even accept a beating from those I’ve attempted to share the news with.

    Paul himself said, in 1 Corinthians 15:19:
    “If we have hoped in Christ in this life only, we are of all men most to be pitied.”
    There’s no getting around it – this faith in Christ thing is an all-or-nothing choice.

  41. Last Hussar:

    God was quite happy to reveal him self 4000 years ago. Why not now?

    Many would say that He told us all we need to know about Him in his WORD, until He returns. Jesus is that revelation, as stated in John 1:

    “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”

  42. Allright, Looking4truth, since you seem to enjoy answering our questions/comments, I quote you Homer Simpson:

    “What if we chose the wrong religion?  Every week we’re making god madder and madder.”

    Given the enormous amount of religious beliefs various people have and had, what makes you think christianity is the one true faith?

  43. Sexy Sadie wrote:

    Based on my reading of the Bible, Christ had a fairly massive ego. The basis for this interpretation came mostly from these Matthew quotes:

    Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn
    “ ‘a man against his father,
    a daughter against her mother,
    a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—

    36 your enemies will be the members of your own household.’ [d]

    37 “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves a son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39 Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it.

    Can we say self-absorbed? Granted, if I were told that I were the offspring of “god,

  44. Hey MoP

    Before I dare go up against a Simpson’s quote, lemme express my condolences on game 2 of Ottawa/Buffalo. Much as I’m rooting for the Canes, I’ve been predicting all year that this was Ottawa’s year. Think they can bounce back?

    O.K., on to your question.

    Given the enormous amount of religious beliefs various people have and had, what makes you think christianity is the one true faith?

    Well, my personal testimony can be read at my blog:
    http://uncletomsblogcabin.blogspot.com/2005/05/itching-for-god-my-testimony.html

    But in the last 3 years, since I accepted Jesus and His atonement for my sins, it’s been confirmed for me by these things:
    A) Prophecy. The hundreds of old testament prophecies describing the coming Messiah. The odds of one person meeting all the criteria are just not humanly possible. Here’s a list:
    http://www.messianic-prophecy.net/
    Also, I read the Bible, and read the news today. Israel becoming a nation again after 2000 years, China/Russia/Iran aligning themselves for a coming attack against Israel, Syria heading toward annihlation, etc. All these things we are seeing are predicted in the Bible. Despite the fact it can’t be proven to be true, the Bible has also not been proven untrue. No other book (religious or not) has this record of prediction. For a good look at modern prophecy, check:
    http://www.harpazo.net/101/List.html
    B) Seeing miraculous responses to personal prayer. Prayers to God the Father, in His Son’s name.
    C) His work in my own life. Changed attitudes where I’d hitherto been astoundingly stubborn, giving up an addiction (even though I still have some – like cigarettes), and a constant underlying joy in the face of struggles.
    D) Understanding that every other religion requires something of me to become holier. Christianity is the only one where God does it all FOR me. If I were a God, and was called to a showdown of Gods to demonstrate my authenticiy and love, I would not have picked a painful death to demonstrate my divinity. In a field of uncaring, indifferent, demanding, or downright mean gods, I’m going with the one who demonstrates true love:
    “Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.”
    John 15:13

    Whoa, that’s a trip. The graphic word that came up for me to type before I can click submit is “effort77.” Go figure…

  45. You also imply that there is pain and suffering involved in worshiping anything other than your concept of God, but the only reason that’s necessarily true is because he willingly condemns people to Hell if they don’t worship him.

    Actually, Hell is not assigned for refusal to worship Him. It’s assigned (or, as I alluded to earlier – God honors the choice of those who want Him to go away), as the just punishment for sin. God killed His son to take every sinner’s punishment. If someone refuses to let Jesus take their punishment, God says: “O.K., have it your way – You take the punishment.”

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