Designer Genes- a Rapprochement.

“ID leaves the identity of the designer open” – Michael Behe
“If “irreducible complexity” requires an “intelligent designer” then would not this designer itself be the ultimate example of irreducible complexity? Who, then, designed the designer?” – Spocko
“Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic” – Arthur C. Clarke

Darwin is indeed on trial, as Phillip Johnson put it.  Courtroom battles between Neodarwinists and supporters of ID are popping up like zits all over rural America.  On the one side are the establishment Darwinians, defending their hard-won, gap-riddled theories.  On the other, the upstart IDologues, who merely want to “teach the controversy”.

What is this “controversy”? It centers around “irreducible complexity”, by which is meant structures in living things that supposedly cannot have evolved, because the separate bits have no utility by themselves, and the whole structure is too fiddly to have been put together by chance, like the proverbial jetliner assembled by a hurricane in a junkyard.  Some have ridiculed irreducible complexity as being simply the “argument from ignorance”, but this has done little to discourage the undaunted IDers, some of whom have college degrees, and who are justifiably miffed at the presumption.

The issue appears too complex for mere mortals to understand, what with flagellae, clotting factors, and monkey’s uncles.  But the legal matter boils down to one simple point: is ID religious or not?  If ID is religious, it clearly does not belong in public school science classes, unless we want to breach the separation of Church and State, and, along with Behe,  define astrology as science.  Admittedly, this might boost the popularity of science classes, but astrologers have not contributed notably to human knowledge, with the possible exception of ex post facto predictions about celebrities.

In any case, as Spocko has pointed out, an Intelligent Designer who can create irreducibly complexity must be irreducibly complex Himself.  Now, IDers have long claimed that their Intelligent Designer is not necessarily God.  But if the Intelligent Designer is not God, whom could they mean?  By their own reasoning:  If that which we cannot fully explain must be the product of an Intelligent Designer, and humans cannot fully explain God, then God must be the product of an Intelligent Designer.  Next question:  where did this Designer of God come from?

The answer is simple.  The Designer’s Designer did not come from our universe, but from another universe without irreducible complexity, where things evolved naturally, just as some biologists claim they did here.  Obviously, this means that civilization there is unimaginably more technologically advanced than ours, if they are capable of traveling between universes and creating irreducibly complex Designers.

You may ask, how do I know this?  Because, following a tip from an anonymous source, I tracked down the Designer of God to her modest but fashionably appointed apartment in Peoria, Illinois.  Mrs. Tibbit received me graciously, handed me a whiskey (“I just love the devilish peatiness of Laphroaig- don’t you?”) and sat down on a generous divan.

Q:  Mrs. Tibbit, thank you for this opportunity to clear up our misconceptions…
A:  Not at all.  And please call me Sophie.
Q:  Er, okay, “Sophie”.  I’m sure my readers are dying to know, why did you leave your own universe, come here, and Design a God who then created the Earth, the stars, and all living things?
A:  Well, everyone needs a hobby, don’t they?
Q:  Um, okay… Are you saying that you’re an amateur Godmaker, Sophie?
A:  Well, no one has offered to pay me so far.  Mind you, lots of people have cleaned up on the merchandising tie-ins, but I haven’t seen one cent of it.
Q:  May I ask what your profession is in your own universe, then?
A:  Profession?  Heavens to Betsy!  I’m just a homemaker.  That’s why I wanted to try my hand at making something a bit more challenging.
Q:  Some people are dissatisfied with the job God is doing here on Earth, saying He’s (pardon the expression) an “incompetent sorehead”.
A:  Well, I designed Him to have free will, so don’t come whining to me.  Besides, would you rather have one of my earlier tries back again, such as Baal or Gilgamesh?  Come to think of it, though, Minerva was pretty cool…
Q: You have to admit, though, that Jehovah can be pretty pissy…
A:  Hey, nobody’s perfect.  Besides, constantly having to tweak His Creation by Specially Creating irreducible flagellae, blood clotting chains, and whatnot, would try the patience of a saint. Count your blessings- at least He’s outgrown His “Golden Hemorrhoid” phase.
Q:  Thank you for the interview, Mrs… er, Sophie.
A:  You’re most welcome.  Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have some tweaking to do of my own, on my current project.
Q:  Current project?  May I ask…
A:  Well, I do feel a bit responsible for you Earthlings after all, so I’ve been working on something to help keep God in His place.  But you Earthlings don’t seem to want any of it.
Q:  And this would be…
A:  Reason.

35 thoughts on “Designer Genes- a Rapprochement.

  1. Awesome work!  It made my head hurt and at the same time I started considering what the fundamental cause of the ID debate was.

    It started to occur to me that the emergence of pattern recognition may be causing a fundamental crisis of the basic proletariat knowledge base.

    Let me try to explain.  We can use the term sunrise to refer to the rotation of the earth.  It gives us no survival advantage to change our language and the old term from our original understanding of our environment is so universally understood that nobody really cares.  So the term endures and is not “evolved

  2. Interesting comments Bruno. Just out of curiousity, have you read William Gibson’s ‘Pattern Recognition’? It was one of the better novels to come out over the last few year, IMO.

  3. REASON!!! I’ll give you reasonand we will see how far it gets!
    First of all because of the wonder and compexity of the universe it’s reasonable that there is a God behind it all. To assume that this incredible cosmos and our jewel of a world happened only by the blindest chance is too much of a resonable strech of the imagination.
    To assume that we know who or what God is when everyone on the planet has a different view and idea about it—means that everyone is probably wrong, and it’s reasonable to guess that God is by God’s very nature a little too complex for us to nail down.
    Since everyone has his/her own idea about the nature of God—it’s reasonable to assume that I am going to take the only reasonable approach when someone tells me what God wants me to do! That is to tell them to go to hell! (no pun intended)
    And the next time someone tells me that it doesn’t matter what sort of a sinful depraved life I have led, because all I have to do is come around to their way of thinking and everything will be forgiven might just be sent to hell!

  4. REASON!!! I’ll give you reasonand we will see how far it gets!
    First of all because of the wonder and compexity of the universe it’s reasonable that there is a God behind it all. To assume that this incredible cosmos and our jewel of a world happened only by the blindest chance is too much of a resonable strech of the imagination.

    There’s nothing about the universe that implies a creator or makes such an assumption particularly reasonable. Nor is there anything that says our existence is pruely an issue of blind chance, whatever that means.

    To assume that we know who or what God is when everyone on the planet has a different view and idea about it—means that everyone is probably wrong, and it’s reasonable to guess that God is by God’s very nature a little too complex for us to nail down.

    To assume that God exists at all is a reasonably questionable position in the first place.

    Since everyone has his/her own idea about the nature of God—it’s reasonable to assume that I am going to take the only reasonable approach when someone tells me what God wants me to do! That is to tell them to go to hell! (no pun intended)

    Actually how any one particular person is going to react in such a situation can’t be estimated purely by reason alone, but by experience and familiarity with that person and even then there remains a large margin for error.

    And the next time someone tells me that it doesn’t matter what sort of a sinful depraved life I have led, because all I have to do is come around to their way of thinking and everything will be forgiven might just be sent to hell!

    Everyone has their own personal view on salvation. You admit yourself that the nature of God is such that nailing down what he requires of his creation is little more than a guessing game. If any answer is as likely to be right as any other then it’s hard to see how you can take such a definitive stand on the issue.

  5. First of all because of the wonder and compexity of the universe it’s reasonable that there is a God behind it all.

    And where did this necessarily wonderful and complex God come from, moses?  That’s why Mrs. Tibbit is necessary.

    You see, we know from experience that everything complex either evolved (birds, bees, people), or was designed by evolved beings (bird’s nests, beehives, teletubbies).  And since ID has shown that certain cellular structures in our world (flagellae) are irreducibly complex and thus unevolvable, they must have been designed, by God.  But since God can’t be explained, He must be also irreducibly complex, and thus Himself a product of design.

    That’s where Mrs. Tibbit comes in.

  6. Everyone needs something to believe in and all things considered I guess I will believe in Mrs. Tibbit! (And if she is really good looking then I can also worship her) raspberry

  7. Because, following a tip from an anonymous source, I tracked down the Designer of God to her modest but fashionably appointed apartment in Peoria, Illinois.  Mrs. Tibbit received me graciously, handed me a whiskey (“I just love the devilish peatiness of Laphroaig- don’t you?”) and sat down on a generous divan.

    Aaaah. It all makes so much sense now. If only I had considered the possibility before; God was created by an Islay Malt drinker. One can’t help but wonder how He/She/It would have turned out if He/She/It’s creator had preferred Lagavulin. Fascinating… 😮

    First of all because of the wonder and compexity of the universe it’s reasonable that there is a God behind it all.

    Yup… It’s the good old “we can’t comprehend it, therefore some kind of omnipotent being must have created it’ logic. Back in the day when we were all a bunch of spear wielding, mud hut building simple types we used to think the same thing about lightning, and other (now explained) phenomenon.

    My first post… I feel quite liberated. grin

  8. Les you can argue it every which way to Sunday ( tongue wink )but my position is this; “It’s obviouos to me that there is a God, just as it is obvious to me that no one on this planet knows Who, What, Where, When or Why!

    That’s my story and I’m stickin with it-so there!

  9. O.K. O.K. I’ll confess.
    Yes Les, it is possible that there is NO God whatsoever!
    This means that the Universe is without purpose and plan. We are just here through dumb luck not divine intervention.
    It is also possible that there are NO other worlds with intelligent life out of the trillions of stars in the Cosmos. BUT!……..
    That just feels too damn cold and lonely, know what I mean?
    I have to stick with my version of things just so I can have some peace of mind. And isn’t that what religion is really all about in the final analysis!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Allan W Janssen

  10. I have to stick with my version of things just so I can have some peace of mind. And isn’t that what religion is really all about in the final analysis!!!!!!!!!!!!

    If credo consolans is what religion is really all about for you, more power to you, moses.  I don’t share your belief, but that’s fine with me.  It’s the “my belief requires me to convert non-believers” types, including the IDologues and their ilk, that get my virtual panties bunched up…

  11. Zilch, I told you that snorting those sea shells are no good for you. Man, if you keep it up it could lead to bigger things and who knows what you will want to get “bunched up” in the future! tongue laugh

  12. Catching up on replies over the past few days…

    That just feels too damn cold and lonely, know what I mean?

    Personally I don’t think an unpleasant reality is a good justification to buy into a comfortable fantasy, but if it works for you then you should go with it I suppose.

  13. Come on Les!  How many real people support your garbage on the web. Get real Les! You hide behind this hocus pocus, voodoo, cult type of crap to avoid the facts of your own life. You personify arrogance, hatred and ignorance. Thats why i must let people know about what you stand for and that’s a lot of fictive fickle minded B.S. So what if some of your brain washed fanatic followers take your side on this. The truth will still stand. As far as my past attacks on your dumb blog. They were for a reason. To let all fools like you know. If you dont start nothing it wont be nothing. But you just had to start the madness. Even when my first comment ever posted was not even about you and Dave. You sort of make me wonder. How sick can the world really be. Some people joke about things in life. Others just take things way to literal. Even though you may express your belief and opinions. They should not be directed at any other type of people as an insult. So you just had to direct that mess at me on your stupid blog. Thats why i had to return the response. Even if my reply was negative and cruel. When a man wants beef. Tit for tat i bring him his serving. Boy! did you mess with the wrong dude or what. Yes LES! (Stupid Evil Bastard) Jenkins or whatever your code name is. I said it! We all are entitled to are own opinion’s right? If you cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen with all of that weird and spooky gossip. Do you think that the crap on your web (diary) or whatever it is turns out like……. vintage wine that gets finer over time like gold of some precious metal. MAN PLEASE! Dont make me laugh. Your comments and statements are bewildering and beyond the realms of true reality.

  14. What really cracks me up is that you seem to think you’ve somehow managed to bother me over the past few weeks. If this is the worst you can do then I don’t think I have much to fear from you. You should really take up a hobby, though. You’d find it much more fulfilling.

  15. Little Jimmy K turned up on my own site quite recently with exactly the same post as above, which was so bizarre that I wasn’t sure immediately whether he was lost, stupid or a spammer.

    Still, on the bright side, he reminded me that I hadn’t surfed this way for a while…

  16. Yes, Paul, bizarre is the word for LJK.  I do have to admire his last insult, however, which sounds even better in German: Du grosser fahler Sack aus haarigem Plasma.

  17. As with Paul, Jimmy’s previous comment appeared in my Rotten Tomatoes journal (as a wholly inappropriate comment in an entry pertaining to a video game, I might add). I do have a link to SEB as a part of my journal.

    Hmm…

  18. He’s been spamming any website that I’ve ever commented on or that’s ever had a link to SEB. He’s like a little brother who’s trying to prove how important he is by annoying everyone around him until they pay attention. He’s get bored with it after a couple of days and things die down and then he notices again what a sad a pathetic existence he’s experiencing and he starts up again in an attempt to feel like he’s accomplishing something.

  19. What did you do, anyway, to set this loony off, Les?

    I only hope he’s harmless, though he certainly is annoying.

  20. Apparently he came along and posted some nonsense on one of the threads awhile back and I told him to piss off and he came back and threatened to unleash “Jimmy Kanada” on me if I didn’t respect him.

    Well we know how quickly that sort of talk earns my respect and now he’s going around to any blog that so much as mentions me or SEB and posts the same dribble over and over again thinking it somehow does anything other than boost my ego that someone thinks I have that much influence with my pissant little blog that they need to try and damage my reputation. It’s just a shame I don’t have much of a reputation to damage.

  21. Add my site to the Jimmy Kanada club—got hit with a few comments (all caught with my jackass—I mean—junk filter wink.

    Here’s one that popped up over the weekend:

    Les Jenkins if i wanted to show you what i do to hipocrits like you. I would have your hide. Me and my associates could get gangsta! But no man. You aint worth that kind of time. No Les my comments were not taken so seriously. They actually were funny to me. Tell me that a lot of weman would not agree with me if i showed them your photo in the sunlight. You are no Tom Cruise. Who do you think you are anyways, uh.. Dr.Phil on some acid trip? What is all of this corny philosophy about??? woooooooooo… How evil you are? You tell me man. Who needs a reality check. You do Les. You look like your name should be- Egor or something. Then you had the audacity to post those ridiculous comments about other peoples beliefs. Why man huh? So we all would have to revert to being some lost in the twilight zone critic like you. Not even Alfred Hitchcock would understand your theorys of human life. Dont get it twisted. You havent witnessed anything hectic from me or my associates yet. You are a clown and a hoax to me. You look like you dwell in some dark vault in dracula’s cavern or some crap. Talking all of that Junk about other people. Yes Les Jenkins i said it! Where is Buffy the vampire slayer when you need her? Maybe she could send you back to where you came from with all of your unearthly blog junk. You and all of your evil syndicates are either sick in the head or just plain brainwashed by some mid evil B.S. Wake up man! Do you really take so much pride in your pompous ass comments. You scrutinizing evil creep. Maybe you like playing the victim of circumstance.No Les I would never purchase the shirts you sell.You are full of propaganda with no veracity. Do you think that weman really buy your fake mystique playing nonsense. Only the fools do Les. Oh! how i pity the fool. You big pale sack of hairy plasma.

    I have to say, I laughed my ass off when I read that. And then the next one (duplicated a couple times in some form):

    Come on Les!  How many real people support your garbage on the web. Get real Les! You hide behind this hocus pocus, voodoo, cult type of crap to avoid the facts of your own life. You personify arrogance, hatred and ignorance. Thats why i must let people know about what you stand for and that’s a lot of fictive fickle minded B.S. So what if some of your brain washed fanatic followers take your side on this. The truth will still stand. As far as my past attacks on your dumb blog. They were for a reason. To let all fools like you know. If you dont start nothing it wont be nothing. But you just had to start the madness. Even when my first comment ever posted was not even about you and Dave. You sort of make me wonder. How sick can the world really be. Some people joke about things in life. Others just take things way to literal. Even though you may express your belief and opinions. They should not be directed at any other type of people as an insult. So you just had to direct that mess at me on your stupid blog. Thats why i had to return the response. Even if my reply was negative and cruel. When a man wants beef. Tit for tat i bring him his serving. Boy! did you mess with the wrong dude or what. Yes LES! (Stupid Evil Bastard) Jenkins or whatever your code name is. I said it! We all are entitled to are own opinion’s right? If you cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen with all of that weird and spooky gossip. Do you think that the crap on your web (diary) or whatever it is turns out like……. vintage wine that gets finer over time like gold of some precious metal. MAN PLEASE! Dont make me laugh. Your comments and statements are bewildering and beyond the realms of true reality.

    Man, that’s funny stuff.

    But like has been said before, reminded me to come back and visit (been an RSS reader of yours for a long frickin’ time, long time listener, infrequent commenter/caller, etc… . ).

    Happy Holidays, everybody!

  22. Jesus Christ, I just go away on holidays for a few days and come back to find the loonies are on the loose again. Les I don’t know this Jimmy Kanada guy but maybe I can make a few phone calls to some people I know and have him deported. Russia maybe, or better yet Iran!
    Allan   tongue rolleye

  23. Les I don’t know this Jimmy Kanada guy but maybe I can make a few phone calls to some people I know and have him deported.

    Given his name, I think he actually comes from a parallel universe Canada. Got to keep the loonies on the grass.

  24. Oh look, the comment troll formerly known as Jimmy Kanada has found an IP address I’ve not banned yet. No matter, that’s fixed now.

    That’s a pretty brief and tame comment from him. I must say that I’m flattered he has such a man-crush on me that he keeps trying to get around the bans I put on his IP addresses, but seriously dude. I’m married and off the market.

  25. hey zlich my dad wont pay my college bill unless i close my blog but i feel its just too much to waste so what about it becomes yours, you take out my pic put yours and keep on writing

  26. Hey Kids, it took Jimmy here a full 15 month to come up with a snappy comeback.
    Which begs the question, is he slow or did he escape again?

  27. m.wael alkel- I am tempted, but just imagine the shock for your poor dad if he looked up your blog and saw me on it.

    hussar- there is something special about laphroaig, isn’t there?

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