Christian wants to bring a little Jesus to “World of Warcraft.”

Anne and I were playing WoW earlier today when at one point she turns to me and says, “I don’t believe it. Someone in Iron Forge is asking folks to join her in sending emails to Blizzard asking that the developers put a Nativity scene in the game.” I thought she was kidding, but a quick trip to the dwarven capital city confirmed the story as someone going by the name “Gabrielle” was indeed broadcasting messages on one of the chat channels asking for others to join her in her cause.

For those of you who don’t play World of Warcraft I should probably mention that today they started the annual Yuletide event known in the world of Azeroth as the Feast of Winter Veil. From today through just after New Year’s Day, the capital cities are all festooned with lights and holiday trees and there are additional holiday-themed quests that your characters can participate in and useless items you can buy such as snowballs with which to batter senseless other players. There’s even an Azerothian version of Santa Claus known as “Greatfather Winter” who is, quite naturally, sponsored by the fine goblin-folk of Smokywood Pastures, makers of quality beef logs and other assorted holiday necessities. You can even step into a marvelous goblin invention that will temporarily turn you into one of Greatfather’s little helpers by means of making you look like a gnome in a Santa outfit. As with a lot of pop culture references in WoW, there’s a definite tongue-in-cheek humor in the presentation of the event right down to a grumpy dwarf who protests the crass commercialization of it all by sending you on a quest to discover the true “reason for the season.” It’s silly and fun and good way for Blizzard to soak up some of the loose change floating around in the WoW economy.

So I suppose it’s only natural that some Christian someplace wouldn’t be happy unless they managed to usurp this fake holiday in a fictional world in a similar way that they managed to do so with the Yuletide celebration in the real world. Namely by trying to get their own religious icons inserted into and associated with the celebration. Needless to say this didn’t go over too well with a lot of people, least of all myself or Anne. The surprising thing about it though, was that even the majority of the Christians who spoke up weren’t all that fond of the suggestion either and for some very good reasons. In particular the fact that Blizzard tends to parody anything from the real world that they put into WoW and considering the send up they did with Santa Claus I can only imagine the can of worms they’d open up with a treatment of the Nativity. The more serious-minded Christians felt that reducing Jesus’ birth to a comical set decoration in a video game was tacky at best and highly disrespectful of their beliefs at worst. After a bit of heated debate “Gabrielle”, who appeared to not have a single person who agreed with her on the issue, seemed to give up and pipe down. A little while later during a return trip to Iron Forge, however, she was back again with her pitch and was again told to piss off by most of the folks present. Then later in the evening last night she showed up yet again though she put up much less of a fight when folks started challenging her.

What is it with some of these Christians that they have to make sure their belief system is represented at any major holiday, real or fictional, that comes along? Other than reducing a supposedly sacred event to the level of a Saturday morning cartoon, what conceivably positive benefit could come from injecting their religious icons into a fantasy based video game? Do they really think someone’s going to look on it and suddenly decide to become a Christian? What’s next? The Ten Commandments posted next to the entrance to Iron Forge? Isn’t it enough that they’ve managed to subjugate the Pagans into accepting their bastardized version of Yuletide in the real world? Apparently not.

55 thoughts on “Christian wants to bring a little Jesus to “World of Warcraft.”

  1. This reminds me of the people who write fanfiction where characters “come to know Christ” even though the setting is one where Christianity would not actually exist.

  2. Les, you repeatedly appeal to logic by pointing out that this is a make-believe holiday the Christians are trying to infect with their meme.  The problem is that if those people could tell the difference between make-believe and reality they wouldn’t be Christians in the first place.  The fact that they are already Christian implies that their willing-suspension-of-disbelief circuitry has degraded into rabid-defense-of-belief circuitry.

    Their belief system is based, at the core, on the idea of persecution: man is being persecuted by the devil, Jesus was persecuted by man, Christians are persecuted by everyone who isn’t a Christian.  People who believe all of those things have accepted the feeling of being persecuted as a way of life… to the extent that they even feel it when they are in the majority and when they are the ones persecuting others.  You and I might see the WoW holiday as a light-hearted game, but many Christians are going to see it as an attack on the One True Holiday.  And within their self-reinforcing system of logic, they’re correct.

    I know some ‘good Christians’.  But I know more who adopted the belief system because it was right up their street – i.e. it’s narrow, and twisted, and only one way.

  3. This Stupid Evil Bastard community is hilariously predictable, especially when it comes to how dumb and evil the so-called “Religious Right” is.

    Hey, try this on for size:

    “The fact that they are atheist implies that their unwilling-to-believe circuitry has degraded into rabid-denunciation-of-belief circuitry.

    “[Atheists’] belief system is based, at the core, on the idea of persecution: women are persecuted by men, poor people are persecuted by the rich, and everyone who isn’t a Christian is persecuted by the Christians. People who believe all of those things have accepted the feeling of being persecuted as a way of life… to the extent that they even feel it when they are in the majority and when they are the ones persecuting others.”

    Sound familiar? Why is it so hard to accept that Christians may be people of goodwill?

  4. Why is it so hard to accept that Christians may be people of goodwill?

    Ok, sure, but how exactly does this relate to the situation under discussion, Brendon?

  5. Why is it so hard to accept that Christians may be people of goodwill?

    Good question, Brendon – and I know many Christians who are people of goodwill. (The ones at MrsDoF’s (Mennonite) church come to mind) 

    It’s the Christians who wear that label in cast polished diamond-studded gold in full-bling around their necks who seem a little short on good will.  With control of the executive, legislative, and soon the judicial branch, and tax-exempt properties all over the country, they want to force our educational systems to march to their drum, and insinuate their parody of Christianity into even commercial transactions that really have nothing to do with Christ as he is portrayed in the bible. 

    They have committed identity theft on Christianity and not incidentally on the Republican party as well.

  6. There are plenty of Christians that I accept as people of goodwill, but even some of them do bad things with perfectly good intentions. What is it they say about the road to Hell?

  7. So if a nativity needs to be put into WoW, then other symbols of religious holidays need to go in to. Then you just have this mess that really doesn’t make any sense.

    How about this “Gabrielle

  8. I think they need a menorah in WoW too!

    *ducks*

    Why is it I never hear about people of Jewish faith trying to get a menorah or a star of David placed in some State/Government property???  I’ve never heard anyone asking to say “baruch a’ta adonai” at the beginning of public school classes.  Not even in public schools in Borough Park in NYC.

  9. Why is it I never hear about people of Jewish faith trying to get a menorah or a star of David placed in some State/Government property??? 

    It seems to me that, as a whole, Jewish people are far more tolerant and mature than fundamentalist Christians (at least in the United States). I have a lot of good friends who are Jewish (one of which quite devoutly), and I have yet to hear any of them say or do something judgmental or self-righteous. It could be the fact that Judaism is far older than Christianity.

    Why is it so hard to accept that Christians may be people of goodwill?

    Because so very, very, very many self-described Christians are not people of good will.

  10. Why is it I never hear about people of Jewish faith trying to get a menorah or a star of David placed in some State/Government property???  I’ve never heard anyone asking to say “baruch a’ta adonai

  11. Christians, by contrast, are commanded to witness the Word of God. The New Testament (Acts 1:8; 10:42; Matthew 28:19,20) defines proselytizing others to be the essence of Christian belief.

    In other words, Christianity is like a virus?

    There are some rather disturbing ramifications, born out in history, to a religion that both claims to hold the sole Truth and has a mandate to proselytize.

  12. Seems like a perfect match.

    That’s where you are wrong.

    You would have to adapt a Christian theme to the World of Warcraft, which many Christians would consider a mockery. You just can’t please everybody…

  13. Just because Christians feel they have a need to infect others with their binding beliefs does not in any way, shape, or form excuse such behavior. Such excuses (i.e. “god” wanted me to do it) don’t fly in the courts, and as everyday behaviors they likewise are childish and inappropriate. Hence why, on the whole, I find Jewish people (and Hindus, Pagans, agnostics, atheists, Rastafarians, Buddhists, Shintoists, Taoists, Wiccans, animists, etc.) far easier to get along with: they seem far more secure in their beliefs that they do not claim that “god” wants them to “witness” to others. Until fundie Christians grow up, they will be seen by me as nothing but deluded, insecure dolts. Period.

  14. On a related note, I just started playing WoW under a free 2-week trial.  Now that I think I’ve fixed the hard crashing during gaming (both HL2 and WoW, seems the newest Nvidia drivers took care of it), I dare say I feel this is an MMORPG worth paying for.  I tried Anarchy Online a while back, but couldn’t get into it.  In WoW, it seems like there’s neither anything overtly wrong with it, nor is it just ‘blah.’

    Yes, I’m a little slow in trying new PC games.

  15. Why is it so hard to accept that Christians may be people of goodwill?

    Why ‘accept’ anything?  It’s not like it’s a blind taste test.  “By their works ye shall know them”, according to their own book, and their works often reek of intolerance, ignorance, myopia, self-righteousness, and a hand-wavingly vague sense of reality.

    This isn’t true of all of them, just ones like Brendon.  Sadly such behavior appears to be on the rise.  Let us pray that the Rapture arrives soon, so we don’t have to listen to them anymore.

  16. Sadie, have you accepted Darwin as your personal savior?

    Nah. I mean, the guy was a genius, and he was right-on, but personal savior? I don’t have any personal saviors. As a semi-Wiccan, you could say that the only thing I come close to worshipping is the Earth. And the Cosmos, as I like to see it. I do get a kick out of those bumper stickers that say “Darwin Loves You,” though.LOL

    Speaking of the “rapture,” if only it were a true event! Without fundie Christians and fundie Muslims, the world could very well be a far more peaceful place. Of course, fundies do come in all stripes…

  17. Why ‘accept’ anything?  It’s not like it’s a blind taste test.  “By their works ye shall know them”, according to their own book, and their works often reek of intolerance, ignorance, myopia, self-righteousness, and a hand-wavingly vague sense of reality.

    This isn’t true of all of them, just ones like Brendon.

    Bzzt. Wrong—I’m not much of a Christian (I’m conflicted about witnessing, for example), and certainly not a fundamentalist Christian. But I bristle as much at “intolerance, ignorance, myopia, self-righteousness, and a hand-wavingly vague sense of reality” when it is aimed at Christians by hippies, druids, and secularists as I do when Fred Phelps is up to his tricks.

    Christians aren’t the enemy. There’s something to be said for the societies they’ve built—immigration patterns tell us that English-speaking, Christian societies are the best on Earth. Not perfect, mind you, but less sucky than the rest.

    I travel a lot. And although my circumstances make it possible to go business-class, insulated in good hotels, wherever I go I seek out how the common citizens live. Believe me, Americans have it great—and in large part it’s thanks to those dang Christians.

  18. It is by no doubt a fact that christianity implies morale. For a large part at least, the ten commandments are after all moral guidelines, and largely good ones too. Christianity is the very fundament of our culture, too, already from a historical point of view, and of course from a moral point of view too. Although many people nowadays are no longer active christians, or christians at all, the moral values us agnostics (in my case) or atheists (like Les) in large parts overlap with the christian ones. Well, seeing how christian values both include “eye for an eye” and “if somebody hits one cheek, give him the other to hit” that isn’t exactly hard, but anyway.

    It is another fact though that people who try to impose their own religious beliefs and reasons for moral behavior on others, despite the others actually already acting moral out of other motivations, are self-righteous and ignorant. I don’t accuse you of doing so though, of course.

    Your perception of other societies however may be a little biased. I have an Afghan fiancé, and Afghanistan right now is a mess, as we all know. So is the Iran, and I know people from there too. It isn’t only a mess since the Americans went in and “saved” it, although that certainly did help. It’s basically a mess since the Americans helped the Taliban come to power. And yes, let’s remember, it was the christian American society that (no way this was because of purely political reasons, of course) wanted the fundamentalist radical and (already then) terrorist Taliban to reign a formerly free-er Afghanistan. You know why she lives in Switzerland now? Because this act from a proudly christian nation doomed Afghanistan, 25 years ago.

    Well, that just was a tangent. Why do I bring it up? Not in order to bash at americans. But to show you something: The american way of life works, for America, for large parts of Europe (yep, despite a larger gap we’re still influenced a lot by your values, commercialism and interpretations of formerly european and african culture, interpretations to the extent that they have actually changed a lot and become your culture). It has a really hard time working in quite some other places though. Actually, they may mess up a lot of good things there, and did so in the past. And while we may perceive our own values as “better” than theirs, they’re not. They’re just different. There are large differences between Europe and America too, whether we admit it or not, one fine example of such a gap is the death penalty which I and a very large majority of Europeans condemn, yet a majority of Americans support.

    Anyway, what does all this have to do with christians? Again, not much, it’s a tangent. Yes, our moral values are influenced by the christian culture. And yes, the christian religious values actually make sense. But that doesn’t prove christianity as a whole right in any way. On one hand, it’s perfectly reasonable and possible to act moral without being christian. And on the other hand, moral behavior doesn’t prove the existence of god (note how I write this like every other noun, since I don’t believe in any superiority of that word nor concept), which should be obvious.

    And let’s get back to the original blog post: Christian moral behavior and christian beliefs of christian supoeriority does not in any way lay a base upon which World of Warcraft should include any serious pointers to said real-world christianity.

  19. Brendan makes two mistakes.

    First, at first glance he seems to gloss over the darker side of Christianity as practiced throughout history. By their deeds you shall know them…

    Second, he mistakes correlation for causation. Whether or not “English-speaking, Christian societies are the best on Earth” is a matter of debate, but first it must be shown that there is something uniquely Christian that makes these societies “better”. To quote Martin Willet: The big lie of religion is that faithful people are the better people.

  20. There’s something to be said for the societies they’ve built—immigration patterns tell us that English-speaking, Christian societies are the best on Earth. Not perfect, mind you, but less sucky than the rest.

    Well, Brendon, that is of course a matter of definition and opinion- definition because I’m not sure what precisely you mean by “sucky”, and opinion because someone who flies business may well have a different opinion than someone who can’t afford to take the bus.  But by any number of standards- health care, criminality, percentage of population below the poverty line, quality of public schools and public transportation, the United States lags woefully behind most Western European countries, including the ones where English is not the first language, such as Austria where I live.  Of course, if by “sucky” you mean “having higher taxes for the wealthy”, I’ll agree with you.

    Guido- what you said.  Nice post.

  21. Because as (an apparent) non-believer you’re ignorant about all faiths.

    Brendon, you assume too much.  You also prejudged me by assuming I was ignorant about ‘all faiths’, whereas I only mentioned one.  I guess you did not pick up on my subtle devil’s advocate approach to making more conversation.

  22. Studies have shown (I can’t quote one at the moment, but I’d be happy to find one if pressed) that, by and large, the nomadic people of Mongolia tend to be the happiest people on Earth (as judged by specific psychological/sociological tests determining ranges of happiness as defined by broad and diverse groups of people). Needless to say, Mongolia is hardly a “Christian” nation.

  23. Yeah, Sadie, but what good’s happiness if it won’t buy you money?

    I don’t care too much for money, money can’t buy me love! (have fun gettin’ *that* unstuck from your heads) tongue wink

    I thought the happiest place on Earth was Disneyland! 

    I’m willing to wager that the happiest place on Earth is actually any given pub in Amsterdam! cool smile

  24. Well, teh Christians don’t have a MMORPG but they’re coming out with an RTS based on Left Behind that takes place in New York. It was recently reviewed in the latest issue of one of the major gaming mags, can’t remember which one but it has the words Left Behind on the cover. The reviewer said that is looks to be a super high quality RTS on the level of Age of Empires III…

  25. I travel a lot. And although my circumstances make it possible to go business-class, insulated in good hotels, wherever I go I seek out how the common citizens live. Believe me, Americans have it great—and in large part it’s thanks to those dang Christians.

    Ah, which is why America ranked lowest in terms of happiness according to a poll done recently?

    I think a lot of people confuse the wishes of other people to *come* to America as a sign of america’s “greatness”.  I think it should be noted that most immigrants don’t come to America so that *they* can be happy, but so that *hopefully* their *children* will be happy.

  26. Why is it I never hear about people of Jewish faith trying to get a menorah or a star of David placed in some State/Government property???

    That is because the own everything anyway and dont want to upset ppl more by pushing the fact in everyones face!

    As for more tolerant…take a look at Palestine! Dont make me laugh…Oi vay!

  27. Ooh, a Jewbaiter.  Appropriate for Christmas.  Shall we take him on?  Nah, life’s too short.  Lachaim, all.

  28. You need to come to know god my friend.
    Once you do your self centered egotistical view on life will change.

  29. Denise: You need to come to know god my friend.
    Once you do your self centered egotistical view on life will change.

    Darling, when you’re talking to her next can you get her email address for me please?
    I need to know why good things happen to bad people and bad things happen to good people …. and also, ummm … nah, that’ll do for now. LOL
    Oh, yes … why, when I did my level best to submit many years ago, didn’t she wanna talk to me.
    Was the bitch screwing round somewhere else in the universe? Did I catch her at a bad time … mensurating … PMS.
    Don’t hurry back I’m going to the club for a beer with someone I can rely on. LOL

  30. You need to come to know god my friend.

    Which god, Denis?  There are lots to choose from.  My personal favorite is the Invisible Pink Unicorn, for reasons I won’t divulge. red face

  31. Personally, I like the IPU too. But the Flying Spaghetti Monster is quite a good alternative as well…

  32. Why is it that so many people can’t understand that just because a minority is intolerant about a majority’s impositions and intrusions into their daily lives they think that the minority is somehow suggesting that some element of their minority being is superior. If Christians were a minority I doubt I’d mind them, just as Mormons here in NW Florida aren’t so widespread that I’m afraid that soft drinks will suddenly get banned in the stores because of their beliefs. Really, in large part – other than a “aren’t they ridiculous” meme that gets spread by just about anyone who disagrees with anyone, the problem with Christianity, Republicans, and Rich White Men is that they’ve got too much POWER. I don’t want that sort of power myself, or rather I do but I’m not promising roses and sweet bliss afterwards (I’ll succumb), but I don’t want anyone else to have that sort of power either. I don’t like tyrany, and the tyrany of the majority and the oppression of common culture is oppression just the same.

    That being said, I’d probably have allowed the stupid Jesus scene to WoW myself and to hell with anyone who disagreed with my interpretation of the monsters pelting poo at it. Seems fair for a religion, since by being “universal” truths they tend to throw poo at others. Imagine how many Xtians you could have suckered into playing WoW just to protest! Controversy is fun!

  33. *VROOOM!* REPENT SINNERS!! *VROOM!*

    Well, Les, at least this Denis just waved as he drove by.  Not like ed, who wrote a note saying “Jesus loves you, you insufferable mall-rats”, wrapped it around a rock, and threw it through our window.  Luckily, the window was open anyway…

  34. Zilch: Luckily, the window was open anyway…

    Happy Winter Solstice y’all, from Down-under.
    I live in a t-t-t-tiny one bedroom flat with a total of 4 windows. Each is open at least an inch – with 2 heaters going it’s about 20ºC inside and about 1ºC outside.
    We get snow about once every 5 years but not enough to make a snow being although at 5am tomorrow the car will be iced over.
    The lowest we get round here is about -7 or 8ºC but I don’t experience it these days as I usually don’t leave my bed till about 8 or 9.
    Have a great day – mine get longer from here on.

    I live in a t-t-t-tiny one bedroom flat

    After having lived in a Toyota HiAce camper-van for nearly 2 years, this is Luxury as Monty Python’s Yorkshire men would say – toilet, shower, D-bed, oven/stove, fridge, microwave, PC, TV, phones AND hot water.
    It doesn’t need to get any better than this. LOL

  35. Happy Winter Solstice to all you antipodeans!
    John- should I ask why your windows are open if it’s cold outside?

  36. Zilch: John- should I ask why your windows are open if it’s cold outside?

    Mmmm. Never really looked at/questioned that old programme.
    I think it’s probably something to do with the desire for Fresh air no matter what the temp.
    Yes. I think it’s as simple as that. smile

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