Time to impeach?

To understand this post, you must first understand one thing. I have been a strident Bush supporter.

I voted for him, twice. I think he’s been an excellent wartime Commander-In-Chief. I agree with most of his actions in both Afghanistan and Iraq. I may have some issues with many of his domestic ideas, especially those based on his religious beliefs, but I’ve been reasonably content with the idea that he didn’t seem to be pushing them too hard. They appeared to be unimportant to him. I didn’t realize that EVERYTHING that wasn’t involved with the war was unimportant to him.

As has been noted elsewhere, the Army Corps of Engineers laid out plans to strengthen New Orleans’ defenses so they could survive something like Katrina. It has also been noted that Bush vetoed the expense because the money was needed for the war effort. This was a catastrophic decision.

I could forgive it, perhaps, if he stood up and took responsibility. If he explained why he made the decision.

That’s not happening.

I’m watching CNN now, and I just saw someone from the administration talking about the failure to properly respond to this disaster. They’re laying the blame on the various agencies and saying it took the President’s personal involvement to get the ball rolling. They’re trying to paint him as the hero.

I feel ill.

52 thoughts on “Time to impeach?

  1. It’s amazing how it takes nothing short of a disaster to wake some people up… and to get them to see just how bad this administration has been for the US.

    Impeachment for Bush should have taken place a long time ago for his misdeeds in the ‘war on a concept’.  I don’t think any grounds for impeachment could be found in the Katrina aftermath as mother nature provides the President with ‘plausible deniability’.

    Bush Sr’s motto: ‘Read my lips, no new taxes’.

    Bush Jr’s: ‘Pay attention, nothing is ever my responsibility unless it’s good.’

  2. So you’re saying that the fact that the Mayor of NO, Ray Nagin, did not follow NO’s own evacuation plan, had hundreds of buses at his disposal yet chose to not use them to evacuate his own city; simply declared a “manditory evacuation” yet did not provide any way to get those unable to travel on their own out of the city; and you’re going to say that the G.W. and the feds bear sole responsibility?

    After the blatent ineptitude by both the Governor of LA and the Mayor of NO, Bush faced the daunting task of taking control and refitting thousands of troops at the ready from a recovery and rebuilding operation to the massive search and rescue operation that wouldn’t have been necessary had the mayor done his job.

    Granted, there is plenty of blame to go around, all the way from the able bodied person who ignored a call for manditory evacuation to G.W. Bush but your call for impeachment is absurd.

    The plan for reinforcing the levees has been in place since 1965. Since then the funding has fallen through in EVERY administration. Why do you ignore this fact? 

    I know that your top priority is to bash Bush, that’s okay, but in this regard a little balance and intillectual honesty would be in order.

  3. sigh.

    Someone who has sided mostly with the left says “gee, maybe you guys have been right about Bush all along” and the first response, instead of reaching out basically calls him an idiot for not noticing sooner.

    Thanks.

    And people wonder why the country is so bitterly divided.

    For the record, the death of possibly 10,000 US citizens in a disaster that would have been prevented by allocating the funds to strengthen the levees should be an impeachable offense, and if it’s not it fucking well should be.

  4. So you’re saying that the fact that the Mayor of NO, Ray Nagin, did not follow NO’s own evacuation plan, had hundreds of buses at his disposal yet chose to not use them to evacuate his own city; simply declared a “manditory evacuation

  5. KP – Why would you be so hell bent on impeaching the President over Katrina and not over the World Trade Centers?  In both instances the government had a certain degree of foreknowledge.

    After the blatant ineptitude by both the Governor of LA and the Mayor of NO, Bush faced the daunting task of taking control and refitting thousands of troops at the ready from a recovery and rebuilding operation to the massive search and rescue operation that wouldn’t have been necessary had the mayor done his job.

    Yes, there is plenty of blame to go around if your of the mindset that ‘the buck stops here’ actually stopped with Truman.

    Could things have been handled better before the disaster?  Certainly.  The problem is that it didn’t and now state and federal government are scrambling around with their heads up their collective asses.

    After 9/11, HSA and federal authorities wanted all disaster preparedness and funding placed under their control.  This was supposedly to give them the resources to respond to a crisis anywhere in the country regardless of the the local ability to deal with the situation.

    So my question to you is, what if this had been a terrorist attack (sans the three-day warning)?  Fuck, the Sri Lanka government handled the Tsunami with relatively more efficiency than this.

  6. KP – Why would you be so hell bent on impeaching the President over Katrina and not over the World Trade Centers?  In both instances the government had a certain degree of foreknowledge.

    I don’t think it’s a fair comparison. While warnings that both disasters were presented to the administration, nobody laid a simple “here’s how to prevent this terrorist attack from ever happening” plan on the President’s desk and said “sign here and it’s all taken care of.”

    I also think there’s a difference between “evil badguys are going to try to make this happen” and “this is going to happen eventually, the only question is when.”

  7. the proposal to strengthen the levees that came from the Army Corps of Engineers is six years old.

    Not entirely true.

    Since 1965, when the first large federal project was started to bolster New Orleans’s levees and other defenses, there has been a tug of war over how sturdy, and expensive, to make a system that might, or might not, be needed.

    Most aspects of the $732 million Lake Pontchartrain project have been completed, but the project remains behind schedule and underfinanced. Although Congress appropriated more than $4.7 billion for the Corps of Engineers this year, the spending on New Orleans levees was relatively small.

    The Pontchartrain project drew about $5.7 million, almost $2 million more than what was earmarked for it in President Bush’s budget. For five years, Congress has repeatedly increased the sum for New Orleans levees over Mr. Bush’s requests . . .

    Also, there is this

    The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers said Thursday that a lack of funding for hurricane-protection projects around New Orleans did not contribute to the disastrous flooding that followed Hurricane Katrina.

    In a telephone interview with reporters, corps officials said that although portions of the flood-protection levees remain incomplete, the levees near Lake Pontchartrain that gave way—inundating much of the city—were completed and in good condition before the hurricane.

    Just to put things into perspective. I know, facts suck.

  8. In 2001, FEMA warned that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the three most likely disasters in the U.S. But the Bush administration cut New Orleans flood control funding by 44 percent to pay for the Iraq war.

    A year ago the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers proposed to study how New Orleans could be protected from a catastrophic hurricane, but the Bush administration ordered that the research not be undertaken.

    In 2004, the Bush administration cut the Corps of Engineers’ request for holding back the waters of New Orleans’ Lake Pontchartrain by more than 80 percent.

    Source article at http://www.salon.com/opinion/blumenthal/2005/08/31/disaster_preparation/index_np.html

    You’re right,Daniel, facts do suck.

  9. Impeachment ???
    While this idea might feed American oft insatiable desire for another high-drama legislative year, some of us would rather Congress get back to business—and not be distracted (again) by such silliness.  It’s time Americans understand impeachment is a process best grounded in facts, not emotions.

    After all…
    The right to impeach public officials is secured by the U.S. Constitution Article II, Section 4discusses the grounds for impeachment: “the President, Vice President, and all civil officers of the United States shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.”

    Is this a “high crime” or misdemeanor ?
    (here’s my own *sigh*)

    I think many would agree, it’s wayyyyyyyy to early to start assigning blame.  We don’t even know all the facts yet.  Let’s first get the mess cleaned up, *then* we can establish an independent counsel to investigate the tragedy.

    One of the biggest problems with American culture is this penchant for witch hunts.  Put down the pitchfork—and pick up a friggin shovel and get to work.

    rob@egoz.org

  10. Regardless of what Nagin could have done, it was Bush’s responsibility was to do whatever was in his power to help those people.  If someone is choking and the person helping them doesn’t know CPR but you do, you don’t just stand around watching and say, “Oh well, they can’t do it.  Not my problem!”  I don’t think Bush gave this situation the effort and consideration it deserved, before or after.  Once again he has failed us in that regard.

    Does it mean he should be impeached for his behavior in this disaster?  I’m uncertain of that.  You’d have a much better case against his responses to 9/11 and the war on Iraq.

  11. Once more, you simply aren’t paying attention. Yes, there are plenty of people to blame at various levels for various things, doesn’t change the fact that he cut those budgets. It was a bad decision and people died.

    It appears as though you are blaming Bush’s lack of funding for the deaths. It’s absurd.

    Speaking of paying attention, I’ll repeat:

    The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers said Thursday that a lack of funding for hurricane-protection projects around New Orleans did not contribute to the disastrous flooding that followed Hurricane Katrina.

    With that in mind, how can you still be spewing the “Bush cut funding and people died” bs?

    The fact still remains that the reason you have such a horrific level of death is because government at the local level failed to follow its own policies. To accuse Bush as being the reason so many died is absurd.

    The fact that you are still beating this dead horse despite all logic and reason leads me to belieive that you aren’t the Bush supporter you claim to be.

  12. The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers said Thursday that a lack of funding for hurricane-protection projects around New Orleans did not contribute to the disastrous flooding that followed Hurricane Katrina.[/quote

    That may be partly true but you forgot to quote why the levees would not protect New Orleans, Daniel

    In a telephone interview with reporters, corps officials said that although portions of the flood-protection levees remain incomplete, the levees near Lake Pontchartrain that gave way—inundating much of the city—were completed and in good condition before the hurricane.

    However, they noted that the levees were designed for a Category 3 hurricane and could not handle the ferocious winds and raging waters from Hurricane Katrina, which was a Category 4 storm when it hit the coastline. The decision to build levees for a Category 3 hurricane was made decades ago based on a cost-benefit analysis.

    Congress in 1999 authorized the corps to conduct a $12 million study to determine how much it would cost to protect New Orleans from a Category 5 hurricane, but the study is not scheduled to get under way until 2006. It was not clear why the study has taken so long to begin, though Congress has provided only in the range of $100,000 or $200,000 a year so far.

    Al Naomi, senior project manager in the corps’ New Orleans District, said it would cost as much as $2.5 billion to build such a system, which likely would include a massive network of gates to block the Gulf of Mexico from Lake Pontchartrain and additional levees. If the project were fully funded and started immediately, Naomi said it could be completed in three to five years.

    A project to build up the levees to withstand a Category 3 hurricane was launched in 1965 after Hurricane Betsy and was supposed to be completed in 10 years, but it remains incomplete because of a lack of funding.

    Coastal restoration of the wetlands is the only solution to this mess. The levees added to the destruction of natural barriers.

    We’ve spent nearly 200 billion to invade and control Iraq but but couldn’t be bothered to spend even 1% of that to help protect the nation’s 4th largest city from the certain tragic effects of a category 4 or category 5 hurricane.

    Twice now the Bush administration has dropped the ball and allowed national tragedies to take place that did or will compromise the national economy and that isn’t even considering an unnecessary war to claim 10s of thousands more lives.

    Plenty of doomsayers have warned of national disasters to come and Bush ignored them all except for the one to protect the oil supply. Our peacekeepers and reservists are mostly away in Iraq fighting a senseless war and we need them at home. The Department of Homeland Security was awarded billions only to fail at the first fair test of it’s effectiveness.

    Impeachment at this point would be the kindest action. Fool me once: shame on you; fool me twice: shame on me. I refuse to claim the shame.

    http://www.myantiwar.org/view/58144.html

  13. What’s been bothering me the most is that Bush first acknowledged the federal response was pathetic, vowed to make it better, and is now deflecting all blame back on state and local officials.

    This is not just New Orleans that’s been devastated here.  We’re talking parts of three states, countless local governments.  Am I expected to believe that three governors and a multitude of town mayors just randomly decided to say ‘fuck it’ and not act appropriately?  If Bush had been on top of things and FEMA had been prepared immediately to go into even one town as soon as the hurricane was over, I could maybe sorta kinda buy into it.  But FEMA didn’t show up for a few days and President Bush seems blissfully unfazed. 

    For someone who claims to want to create an ‘ownership society’, he certainly doesn’t lead by example.

  14. Yes, it is an informed opinion from a source who should know, but it is also an opinion coming from a federal body and could be nothing more than spin.

    . . .could be? Yeah, and monkies could type a masterpiece if enough of them are given typewriters and an infinate amount of time to randomly peck away.

    common sense tells us that the more preperation that was made, the less severe the disaster would have been.

    Another example of you not paying attention. The preperations were made in the form of NO’s evacuation plan. All the preperation in the world doesn’t mean jack if those responsible don’t follow through. Something that Mayor Nagin failed to do thus resulting in the uneeded death of thousands.

    Again, the responsibility for evacuating NO was with the local authorities not with the Feds. Bush declared a National Emergency before the hurricane and had the resources in que for a recovery and restoration process, not an evacuation. Why was that? Because the evacuation process is the duty of local government. When the local government failed to come through the Feds had to rework the whole process in order to bail out the locals.

    You are spewing nothing more than rhetoric in claiming Bush is responsible and should be impeached. The facts and infomred opinion say otherwise.

    I’ll take informed opinion over rhetoric any day.

  15. I believe that Bush should not be impeached; he should be tried as a war criminal. But, if we can’t try him and we can’t impreach him, can’t we at least give him something cheaper to fuck up.

  16. KPatrick, nice that you’re all aboard the anti-Bush train all of a sudden. Cryin’ shame it took so long, eh?

    So you feel sick, huh? Oh, boo hoo.

    I guess everybody should feel all warm and happy that you’ve finally woken up. But … some of us knew Bush was a disaster more than five years ago.

    In all that time, what? You were convinced by his smooth, deep, eloquent speeches that he was a good man, a great president? You weren’t paying attention? You only listen to Rush Limbaugh and Pat Robertson? You’re a devout Republican and you just know anything a Republican says and does must be good? You just had your happy little head up your ass?

    Why give up on Bush now?? Hell, why not just stay a Bush supporter? Don’t desert your big “Mission Accomplished” / “We’re winning the war against terror!

  17. Here’s my favorite quote-of-day:

    You’re the one motivated by a political agenda here, I’m simply looking for accountability and justice.

    This is a statement from KPatrickGlover who:
    1) doesn’t know all the facts, yet, just like everybody else in the nation, sans perhaps the director of FEMA and DHS.
    2) is already calling, knee-jerk, not for the resignation of Bush, but for *impeachment proceedings* to begin (again, without any substantive facts as to how the system and govt employees failed)

    …  all this without knowing any established, researched facts regarding who failed, what part of the process failed, and why.

    KPatrickGlover our new, local Kenneth W. Starr ??
    (Starr wasn’t even this bad!)

    Can you imagine impeachment proceedings without even an indepedent report on Who-How-and-Why ?  This is the exact mentality that has transformed America’s political process is a chaotic fight between rabid dogs.

    Patience is a virtue, lest we squander what we have before us.

    rob@egoz.org

  18. Wow!  When I first looked at this thread it was empty; now lots o’ stuff.  Wish we had a “subscribe to this thread” feature.  Is that possible, Les? (***Dave has it)

    Anyway, NOLA and 9/11 are not comparable at all.  There’s plenty of doubt about foreknowledge of 9/11.  But NOLA was a dead certainty, if you’ll pardon the expression.

    My test for government foreknowledge is: did I know about it?  ‘Cuz I’m just some idiot out there in newsland, and if I knew about it, the freaking government certainly did.  I pay a little more attention than the average idiot but I’m not exactly a one-man news agency.

    The Bush administration said; “no one anticipated the kind of attack of 9/11” or words to that effect. 

    Not true.  I anticipated it, and if I am not mistaken, so did a great number of fiction authors.  But I did not have foreknowledge – I just knew it was a possibility.

    NOLA, on the other hand, I knew would happen for a long time.  The first article I remember reading about it was in the late ‘70’s – something about wetlands erosion.  It has popped up in environmental articles with increasing frequency since then, and there have been a number of cover stories in popular magazines in recent years.  Every one contained the phrase, “not a question of ‘if’, but ‘when’”

    Even government reports have identified NOLA as a most likely scenario.  But I give more culpability to mayor Nagin than anybody, followed by Bush, followed by previous administrations.

    I do wonder what you have to do to get fired in the Bush administration, though.

  19. rolleyes

    Guys, it’s gonna take a year to clean up this mess in the most optimistic of predictions, by which time Bush will only have less than two years left.  Really, what’s the point? 

    Let’s clean it up rather than feeding the Drama Llama, God only knows that beauracratic bullshit doesn’t help starving and dying people.

  20. Accountability and cleanup are not mutually exclusive, Slick.  I notice the Bush camp is the ones saying the loudest; “Let’s not politicize this” – hardly a surprise.

    Speaking of bureaucratic bullshit, I read their evacuation plan.  Lots of admintalk and very, very little actual plan.

    Saw a good quote over on Pharyngula:
    “Any sufficiently advance incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.”

  21. Whoops, I left out someone in my accountability list: the governor of Louisiana.  My bad.  She’d go between Nagin and Bush. 

    And when I said; “their evacuation plan” I meant the NOLA plan. 

    Sorry, I was awakened hours ago by malfunctioning tornado sirens that have continued to go off every few minutes since then.

  22. Guys, it’s gonna take a year to clean up this mess in the most optimistic of predictions, by which time Bush will only have less than two years left.  Really, what’s the point?

    As DOF said, anyone who silences valid criticism is just plaing to ‘their’ tune.

    As someone (I believe on the NY Times op-ed page) recently said: it took Cindy Sheehan to make it possible to criticise Bushs War and NOT be called unpatriotic in the US.

    Does it have to take the third major most likely disaster the FEMA warned about in early 2001 (an earthquake in California, the two others being: a terrorist attack in NY (check) and a Hurricane in Louisiana (check)) to enable someone to criticise Bushs interior policies?

    Why do I care (as a foreigner)? Because unlike the policies of New Orleans mayors and state governors, Bushs policies have reverberations all over the world, whether its scuttling Kyoto or making war someplace.

  23. All the preperation in the world doesn’t mean jack if those responsible don’t follow through. Something that Mayor Nagin failed to do thus resulting in the uneeded death of thousands.

    Again, the responsibility for evacuating NO was with the local authorities not with the Feds.

    Something else in the vein of responsibility (who for what): Most of the people in the US do NOT have mayor Nagin OR governor Blanco as their representatives, because the live neither in NO nor in Louisiana. So the one they CAN hold accountable for his share in the disaster IS… you guess it. I think it fits. Bush didn’t cause the coming storm. But he certainly ignored it.

  24. Sorry for triple-dipping.

    One of the biggest problems with American culture is this penchant for witch hunts.  Put down the pitchfork—and pick up a friggin shovel and get to work.

    You err. That is human nature, not at all US-specific. The good part is that in democracies, all the attacked political party has to fear (whether guilty of the accusations or not) is getting booted from office.

  25. Bush didn’t cause the coming storm. But he certainly ignored it.

    How do you figure? He declared a national emergency before the storm’s arrival. He had thousands of FEMA personel in place ready and waiting to go in on a recovery and rebuilding operation. When it became apparent that the local authorities did not do their job, Bush stepped up and instigated the refitting from recovery and rebuilding to a search and rescue. That is a huge undertaking.

    Face it, there are plenty of valid reasons to rail against Bush throughout his term but this isn’t one of them. Like all Pesidents he is the executive officer of a system. The system is a ponderous, overly compartmentalized one. That’s government for you.

  26. I do wonder what you have to do to get fired in the Bush administration, though.

    Nah, he’ll hand out medals for this.

    The whole erosion thing has been going on for so long, it’s like growing up under a dormant volcano.  The concept of it happening exists intellectualy, but people stop believing it’ll happen in THEIR lifetime.  Efforts to control erosion have been going on for decades, so I think that there’s also the idea that somebody will come up with something to control it.  I grew up in southwest Louisiana, and I’ve heard it all my life.  You get desensitized to it, especially when you have just the smaller hurricanes coming in.  Andrew was the only hurricane I ever evac’d for in 20 years.

    Even if the ACoE were able to build the levees they wanted, it doesn’t mean shit when they break. 

    One thing they SHOULD do when rebuilding: make sure at least one major road going into the city to the Superdome and convention center is built high enough to not get flooded, and strong enough to stay up.  Not to mention stocking those places with enough food and water in preparation for the storm. 

    They talk about the delay in getting response teams ready and how it’s not good to have loaded trucks sitting on the roads lest they get caught in the storm.  Why they didn’t have La Nat’l Guard mounted up and waiting, out of the storms way, in Lake Charles, ready to roll across I-10 to New Orleans?

  27. Why they didn’t have La Nat’l Guard mounted up and waiting, out of the storms way, in Lake Charles, ready to roll across I-10 to New Orleans?

    Good question. Again, yet another failure of local officials. When I say local I’m talking state and city.

  28. Wow!  When I first looked at this thread it was empty; now lots o’ stuff.  Wish we had a “subscribe to this thread

  29. 1.  Just a study on the feasibility of a system capable of withstanding a Cat 5 would take years…building it would take years (maybe decades more).  As I recall, it was scientifically proven that Nawlins was under sea-level “a couple of years

  30. Thank you, McDuff. Really, thank you very much. I was beginning to feel even more alone than normal.

    It’s funny, I ended up at this site a couple of years ago because I felt so idealogically alone. I’m not a Republican, I’m a Libertarian, but I am a conservative in most respects. I am also an atheist and that is, apparently, a very odd combination.

    I voted for GW in 2000 for a multitude of reasons. The first was that I thought I was getting a fiscal conservative. So much for that one, huh? But I liked his tax plan, I liked what he said about the education system and I intensely disliked Al Gore. So I voted for GW and was reasonably happy with him. I liked the tax rebates and the tax cuts. Then we had Sept 11.

    Without going into too much detail, I like most of what he’s done is response to that situation. The only qualm I had was about the reasons given to go into Iraq. I would have preferred that he simply stated that Iraq was a sponser of terrorism (funding the families of suicide bombers in Israel) and left it at that. The whole bit about the WMD’s off felt off to me.

    I wasn’t happy with his domestic agenda, though. He spent way too much and frankly, he spoke way too often about God. Still, he seemed content to focus on the war and not push domestic policy too hard. So I was fine with him as President.

    But, I never felt comfortable with most of his other supporters. They all seemed to think the man was perfect and if you liked one part of his agenda you had to like all of it. Likewise, his opponents dismissed anything I thought or said instantly as invalid because I supported Bush. Another case of all or nothing.

    Then I found SEB. A place I finally felt comfortable. Sure, I often disagreed with those around me on various things, but I always felt that the regulars here at least respected my opinions and were willing to exchange ideas.

    Then I submitted this post and, well, you can see the result.

    Anyway, thank you again for your response.

  31. If it makes any difference, I posted your submission because I do respect your opinions.

    For the record I should say that as much as I’d love to see him impeached I really don’t think it’s likely or would solve a whole helluva lot. If impeached we’d just end up with Cheny as President for the remaining term and I don’t honestly think that would be much of an improvement.

    I think you provide an important balance here, KPG, and I hope you’ll continue to contribute.

  32. Thank you, Les, it does make a difference.

    I intend to stick around, don’t worry on that score, and I’ll continue to contribute. I’m just a little bit astonished at some of the responses this post has drawn.

    I’m not sure he should be impeached, either. That’s why there’s a “?” in the title of the original post. But something needs to happen.

  33. Impeachment?  Nah… waste of our time, and as Les said, will only get us Dick’d for our trouble.

    My vote for GW’s punishment would be a ball-gag, a rather harsh mistress with a very large strap-on, and a pay-per-view live webcast, with all proceeds going directly to help the victims of Katrina. At $4.95 per, I’ll bet we could raise a few million bucks in no time!

    There I go, thinking like a pornographer again, heh.

  34. KPatrickGlover,

    When you say that you’re a little bit astonished at some of the responses I’m not sure exactly what you mean. I haven’t seen anything overly confrontational or harsh.

    Nothing wrong with a different take on the same situation.

  35. Not from you, Daniel. You simply disagree with me and we’ve been arguing it out, nothing suprising there at all. I was referring to a couple of posts from people who basically agree with me.

  36. I said:

    Bush didn’t cause the coming storm. But he certainly ignored it.

    Daniel said:

    How do you figure? He declared a national emergency before the storm’s arrival. He had thousands of FEMA personel in place ready and waiting to go in on a recovery and rebuilding operation.

    Fist of, I was talking about ‘the coming storm’ in the sense of ‘Hurricanes are kinda common over there, so people – including the president, where involved as befits his position – SHOULDA acted before. If they did not, they certainly shouldn’t act all aggrieved if someone calls them on it.

    “Lets not get political over it!”

    Damn it – if the deaths of thousands and the destruction of a major city are NOT fit a fit matter for politics, WHAT IS? The proceedings of your neighborhood bridge club?

    Also, while I am not informed well enough about the exact when-how-many-where of the rescue efforts, it appears to me to be the general consensus that National Guard etc… were present maybe by day 5. Later in some days. Emergency services that take that long to appear should not be called thus. No matter the sacrifice of their individual components (soldiers, rescue workers), their effort is already too late for many.

  37. Later in some days.

    Should be ‘later in some places’. And maybe its day 4. Its really not important. Anything beyond 2-3 days is way too long, especially since the storm didn’t just appear out of thin air…

  38. Busy little beavers aren’t we?  Maybe Bush should have deployed thousands of beavers before the storm to increase the strength of the levees.  That sure didn’t happen along with countless other things.

    My point is while the ACE says a lack of funding was not a contributing factor in this disaster, they also state that the evacuation plan as drafted was correctly followed.  I know for a fact that government transportation and school busses were used to evacuate because they’re all over my city.

    When a disaster of this magnitude is en-route there’s only so much local governments can do and in a state as small and as poor as LA there’s only so much the state government can go.

    That’s where federal authorities and we as nation come into play.  Sadly, the last hope for survival these people had was tied up in some political bureaucracy.

    After 9/11 the HSA agency absorbed all national emergency response planning.  I hate to think how their response would have been if it would have been an unanticipated terrorist attack instead of a hurricane with half a week’s warning.

    All of blame cannot be placed squarely on Bush’s shoulders but I sure would like to see a good chunk of it stuffed down his throat.

  39. Anyone who voted for Bush is a fucking moron, and you can hold yourselves partially responsible for every fuckup and every murder perpetrated by his administration.

    You make me sick.

  40. Anyone who voted for Bush is a fucking moron, and you can hold yourselves partially responsible for every fuckup and every murder perpetrated by his administration.

    You make me sick.

    MoveOn.troll

  41. What Ragman said.  I started to write a detailed response to hemebond’s little bit of trollery last night but gave up – why bother? 

    I remember being really worked up over the Reagan/Carter election but for the life of me, I can’t remember which way I voted. (!) Time and hindsight have erased the certainty of what I did – a reflection in the neurology of political memory. 

    I know plenty of intelligent people who voted for Bush – some in my office.  I don’t understand what they saw in him but that’s a very different thing from assessing them so negatively.

    The sets of Bush voters and Gore voters surely both contain their share of fucking morons.

  42. I still do not understand where the legal, ethical, and moral conscious of a country is when it is ok to cause death, hardship, and manipulate the economy for personal gains, yet it is horrible to consider an attempt to keep a sexual indiscretion private?

    What is going on?  People are being injured for no good reason.  The price of oil is being artificially manipulated (Katrina is just another example of this).

    A forensic audit of publicly available earnings should be able to clearly identify who is benefiting financially from some of the “poor

  43. The price of oil is being artificially manipulated (Katrina is just another example of this).

    Sorry, I think you’re dead wrong on this.  The price of oil is just going where it’s going because of simple market forces.  If anything, the US government has been keeping it artificially low for the last fifty years.

    If you’re concerned about it, I recommend looking more at Gov Brian Schweitzer’s plan to convert coal into clean oil, and writing your congressman to try and get behind it.

  44. Sorry, the price of gas is going the way it is because there is not yet a viable alternative.  Decisions have definately been made to secure the supply and to control it.  When OPEC was in control it was those bad guys, but now that some big american business is in control it’s ok?

    I agree alternatives are on the horizon, There are many alternatives, but with the ability to use an electrical delivery system you could forgo the centralized processing and just have a machine that made fuel in your garage overnight.

    Your article does not mention that it requires some fossil fuel to make this “clean” fossil fuel.  Sounds just like more manipulation to me. 

    Alternatively, NASA has tested a clean burning fuel who’s consumables are electricity, carbon and water.  There are better alternatives that do not require fossil fuels, but the political will and big money is just not behind it.

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