Flipping through channels on TV this evening I happened to pass by the Trinity Broadcast Network when something caught my attention. They were running a show called Creation in the 21st Century with “Dr.” Carl Baugh which their website describes as follows:
Hosted by Dr. Carl Baugh, the foremost doctor on creation science. Presenting scientific evidence for creation and design by a personal creator.
Wow. If you’re in need of a good laugh then you should check out this show. Some of the claims made by the good Doctor will have your sides splitting from laughter. Dr. Carl has his own creation evidence website in addition to being the founder of the Creation Evidence Museum in Glen Rose, Texas.
According to this program you’ll learn fascinating “facts” such as that pre-flood Earth was 10% smaller than it is now and had this amazing canopy around it and a higher carbon dioxide level allowing plants to grow to huge proportions. Which is why God created the dinosaurs as something needed to keep all the giant plants in check. Oh, and eventually all the continents will merge back together again and the dinosaurs, which are apparently hiding in the Congo and other remote places, will once again become common on the Earth.
Watching this guy present his nonsense with a straight face just tickles my funny bone to no end. If you need a good giggle you’d be hard pressed to find anything funnier on another channel.
Doctor… Yeah, Quack doctor!
US legislation must really lack laws against frauds when this kind of BS is possible…
Or maybe it’s just that why this is possible, because it’s BushShit.
And I don’t find anything funny in this, all these things are in recipe for making dictatorships.
PS. Remember that even Stalin tried replacing sciences with own versions.
http://production.edutopia.org/magazine/ed1article.php?id=art_1314&issue=jun_05
Dude, I just skimmed that whole creation sequence. I’m pretty sure I felt my brain contract slightly. Wowsers.
did
Cool, imagine everyone with there very own pet dinosaur. I got to get to work on designing the “Dino pooper scooper” I’m gonna make millions.
Did I just see a picture of God’s microwaves penetrating the Earth’s crust? No, I did not see that. Did I?
Have to agree with E.T.; I mean, I did laugh, but it was nervous laughter. People who can believe that stuff are actually allowed to vote.
Brr!
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/degrees.html
Some info on the “Doctor”‘s degree
Quack Quack
Great, ET!!!
Ummmm…huh…ummmm…I don’t know what to say about that site…yow, seems like a good site for my relatives at BJU in SC…eek…I’m glad my kids are going to be heathens who are interested in scientific theories just like me…now I’m going to go back to work and try not to think about it…
OK, I admit it’s a Laugh-Otherwise-You’re-Gonna-Cry type of funny, but it was funny at the time as long as you didn’t think about the fact that there are a lot of people out there swallowing that bullshit.
Dr. Kent Hovind is another one that pisses me off. I went to three years of undergrad and 4 years of med school to get my M.D. All the while I had to pass three USMLE board exams before i got my medical license. Then i had to experience 4 years of hell as an anesthesiology resident. And at the hospital, i don’t ask people to call me “doctor”—-they usually just call me by my first name. This bullshit pisses me off with these fake mailorder doctorates for theses that could be written by high schoolers. DAMNIT!
You know what I find really funny is the garish pile of plastic, makeup, hair, and (I’m sure) rolls of pig fat making up the “woman” who’s married to the owner of the TBN station. Anyone who looks like that and thinks it appears remotely attractive or, in the least, respectable, has to have their head so far up their own ass, they’d start a television station specifically geared towards brainwashing ignorant morons into an evangelical stupor.
I used to have arguements with people in my high school about this rediculous bullshit. And it really frightens me that people will actually buy into it, thinking this fucking quack is a “scientist” and those fossils he’s peddling are actually real.
You want funny? Look at the description of the site: NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATION. And yet this man is obviously wearing suits, running a museum, and, I’m pretty sure, sustaining himself off of the… um… oh… what’s the fuckin’ word I’m looking for… wait… it’s on the tip of my tongue… come on… oh yeah – PROFIT from the donations that they get from idiots who think this is a good, Christian cause. Even from their own fundamentalist standpoint, it’s disgusting, and so blatantly a lie – this shit is so fake, I’m surprised it’s even legal.
Fuck these people up their stupid fucking asses. I really think we should just take some of those uninhabited islands in Fiji and stick ‘em there. Maybe the dinosaurs hiding there will eat them.
Watching TBN used to make me laugh when I thought that maybe the people in this country were somewhat aware of the bullshit – and then 9/11 happened, the War started, and Dubya got re-elected. Now it makes me want wipe those people off the face of the earth in a mass genocide for being such pompous, over-confident ignormamuses in the first place. But then again, I wouldn’t want to follow in their footsteps.
Heh, I misspelled “arguments”. That would’ve driven me nuts if I hadn’t said anything.
Hmmm, “God’s microwaves.” What about Satan? Does he have his own special microwaves, or does he get something like Satan’s gamma rays?
In a non fucked up world should not complete lunatics such as these be gathered up and straightjacketed?
Here we have Delusional Psychotics walking the streets freely, allowed to vote, drive, and allowed on national TV to spew absurd bullshit to other delusional psychotics.
We have in this country because of this type of shit a bunch of Dominionist that have successfully taken over the Government in a Coup, We are one hail Mary and 2 Fundy Supreme Court Justices away from a Totalitarian Theocracy because we allow lunatics to walk the streets freely.
They should be locked up for fraud the bastards,aswell as the tarot readers and other assorted soothsayers and oracles out there.Why is it ok?-probably cause they pay taxes and generally tell people what they want to here.I’d love it if John Edwards told some dupe his loved ones were gonna haunt his every step till he died a miserable death – i’d be hilarious!….Actually now I think about it;I could care less whether these fools loose they’re cash – Its just mildly amusing;like when old ladies donate millions to cats
ya know its bad when folks gobble shit like this
up but its the worst when they go as far as to
buy into perverted forms of ‘education’ for their
children like this. (this guy has a kids corner
on his website – what the fuck?!)
This pisses me off as much as lowering educational
standards to make educational programs look better.
It seems that if everyones students arent on the
honor roll nowadays it means that teachers are
too hard on kids or standards are too high. (some
parents need to accept the fact that most of their
children arent fucking special or smart- if they
are lucky their children will grow up to be mildly
retarded humans leading mediocre lives at best.)
Then after all of their whining parents ‘take the
time’ to acutally pump their kids heads full of
absolute bullshit.
This Baugh guy evidently was educated in a good
upstanding southern finishing school:
Pacific International University and Pacific
College of Graduate Studies (Missouri Charter) Among MANY others..
[if you went there your education is probably
worthless; get your money back, go to a different school
and get a real education – read on]
Baugh presents supporting info to his theses on his website..
whereby 2000+ graduate students on campus were surveyed
and were found to believe the following:
# 45% believe that fossils resulted from the biblical flood
# 40% believe that cavemen co-existed with dinosaurs
# 30% believe that man originated in the Garden of Eden
# 10% believe that the Earth was created in 4004 B.C.
WOW! thats like 125%!! (it could have been some
individuals answering twice though..)
..I’m inclined to think ‘targeting’ and data ‘skew’
more like non-existant bell curve.
Then he further goes on to say:
Some of these seem to have pretty good actions/stances/policies in regard to
educational presentation and whatnot – I didnt examine them all though. I assume these are here for the sake of lending credulity in some way to him or his awesome data.
and yet he goes on still:
He wrote this in 1989.. but some of this shit actually sounds good..
he can talk the talk but then contradicts everything he said
in some of these papers he wrote through his actions.
This guy is the absolute scourge of the fucking earth.
Letting this guy teach anything is as productive as
letting an alcoholic bring a six pack to an AA meeting.
I was in the “crying for all humanity” category. Now it needs the old yeller treatment.
So just for the hell of it I’m gonna ask quick like so I don’t get bombarded with people cursing at me what the counter argument is to the ridiculous claims. I don’t intend to start debate but I figure I could prolly add a few bookmarks and reliable evolution sites if people can provide them.
Theo- probably you know this already, but perhaps the best place to start is
http://www.talkorigins.org
Searching for “Baugh” there brought up a whole faexload of info. They also have links to many other good sites.
Theo,
While not a scientific site, a good “encyclopedia” type site is Wikipedia. Do a search for evolution and you will get a nice summary of the theories, the evidence, and the debate between scientists.
Besides being ridiculous, Baugh’s “theory” comes from a guy who has false scientific degrees and has a tenedency to lie and distort (his Kids page states that evoulution deals with the Big Bang…it does not).
I met people like Baugh in college (a real engineering school where I got a science degree). They had delusions of invisibile, angel driven starships hovering over the planet, they had crazy explanations for everything, they were nut cases.
Über, all, if you want bizarre creationist pipe dreams up the wazoo, check out this (courtesy of
pharyngula, also a great source of fascinating evo/bio info, and cathartic trashing of pseudoscientists).
It’s a description of a book by one Jim Pinkoski. He has the theory that dinosaurs, egged on by fallen angels, attacked Noah’s Ark as the flood began in a no-holds battle to the finish. The illustrations are scrumptious.
Hey THEO…dont you know the evidence for evolution is”all around us”
Zilch,
Thanks for sharing that really disturbing link. It amazes me how they will spread outrageous lies and falsehoods in order to try to get people to believe their nutty fairy tales!
Seriously, if there is a supreme being (and I am not saying there is or isn’t), he/she/it would be so much more awesome, powerful, consistant, and anti-cheesy than these wack-jobs make him/her/it out to be. In my personal opinion, conservative/dogma-literal religious beliefs make a mockery out of God while science has the ability to show us how magnificant, powerful, and awesome God really is…
…if such a sentient being does actually exist.
The kids page was frighteningly funny. I laughed until I started to think about some parents actually getting their kids to do those fun activities where they learn how dinosaurs were here just a few thousand years ago.
In fact the whole thing is more than just a little scary. This is one of the many reasons that I’ve fled what used to be a reasonable country and am now living in exile. Sadly, it seems that the inmates have well and truly taken over the asylum. I got news folks (though it won’t be news to anyone who opens their eyes from time to time): the rest of the world is laughing at the good ole U S of A. That is, when it’s not condeming it for the pure evil that comes out of various public officials’ mouths.
I work in the Bible belt of Manitoba, so I hear about religion all the damn time. Being an atheist, I bite my tongue most of the time. And I try not to dismiss oposite points of view without looking at them first and seeing whether they have merit.
That being said, I can’t stand creationism (or its twin Intelligent Design). My high school biology teacher was a creationist asshole, and while he didn’t shove that down our throats, he refused to teach evolution! God, what an idiot.
Some of my friends and even a few family members don’t believe in evolution, and I don’t think they’re stupid, just uninformed. They misunderstand and say things like “I don’t believe we evolved from monkeys”. Nor do I. Monkeys are monkeys, and humans are humans. Humans did not evolve from monkeys, we evolved from a common ancestor! I’m probably repeating what’s already been said, but it’s an example of how people don’t really understand what they claim not to believe in.
A good quote who’s author I can’t remember:
“Creationists will claim that evolution is just a theory. But technically so is gravity, and if someone contested that, would things hang in suspended animation pending the verdict?”
:/ Um, have any of you ever even BEEN to the Creation Science Museum? Once you see the stuff their yourself, its pretty amazing. I’ve been PLENTY informed on evolution, and looking at the little evidence that there is, I’d say that it evolution becomes impossible just by its very nature.
The fact that you state there is little evidence for Evolution puts the lie to your claim that you are “PLENTY informed” on the theory itself. Go off and read up then come back and try to have a serious debate. Right now you’re ill-prepared to enter the discussion.
But anyways, if you’d like to flame me or try to convince me, send me an e-mail. ^^ Bye.
I have no desire to convince you. Trying to change the mind of a willfully ignorant person is like trying to teach a pig to sing… surely you know the rest of that tired cliche.
Well, all I want is proof. I’ve done alot of research on evolution, and honestly, it takes FAR more faith to believe life occured from nothing than it does to believe in creation. All I’m asking for is evidence. You don’t have to throw insults.
Oh, and Dr.Carl Baugh is a former evolutionist, in case you didn’t know.
You all have a very strong faith in evolution, just like Baugh did. I guess something must have convinced him otherwise. But what do you suppose that was? I mean, there must be some reason he stopped believing in evolution.
Gee, RYU, you caught us. We just never thought about it that way before. I guess hundreds of thousands of scientists in disciplines from astronomy to zoology who find congruent data (despite their motivation to poke holes in each other’s models whenever possible) are all wrong. Some religious nut with phony academic credentials built a museum!!!
Have to second what Les said – go read up. There are plenty of good links you can follow from here. Otherwise you’re just wasting time.
I didn’t throw an insult, I made a statement of fact. If you honestly think there isn’t much evidence supporting the theory of Evolution then either you haven’t done as much research as you think you’ve done or you’re willfully ignorant of the literally thousands of research papers on the topic that exist out there and are not that hard to find. If you find the above insulting it’s only because you probably recognize the truth of the statement.
As for Dr. Carl Baugh being a “former evolutionist” (whatever that is) the fact that he went from accepting a well-supported theory to believing in total nonsense in no way lends any credence to the total nonsense he decided to start accepting as real. It also doesn’t help that there’s some dispute over how credible his claims to holding degrees in both science and theology really are:
Perhaps you would do well to pick a better example of “scientist” to use when forming your opinions on the validity of various scientific theories. If Dr. Carl Baugh is who’ve you been mainly studying then it’s no wonder you’re as ignorant as you seem to be.
I don’t need faith in Evolution, the evidence for it removes the need for faith. I seriously doubt Baugh ever changed his mind about Evolution. Rather I suspect he’s always been a Creationist and is just lying about his former acceptance of the theory of Evolution much the same way he’s lying about his supposed academic degrees.
Incidentally, is it at all possible for you to get all your thoughts into one comment instead of three or four? Or is it just another symptom of you speaking prior to engaging your brain?
Ryu says:
Yes, he’s so informed that he makes the same mistake that many others have. He is confusing evolution with the origin of life- two distinctly separate things. Ryu, for your edification; the theory of evolution explains the diversity of life that is present throughout different epochs. It also attempts to explain (post-Darwin evolution) the mechanisms of genotypic/phenotypic changes in species and how such changes become fixed in a certain breeding population bringing about speciation. Evolution relies on several other disciplines of science- population biology, molecular biology, genetics, even geology, plate tectonics, and meteorology all play a role in this robust theory. As the others suggested- do some reading and come back when you can differentiate between the theory of evolution and the various theories on the origin of life.
You people are full of it, he never claimed that the earth was 10% the size. Damn you evolutionists are pathetic, you should have seen the lecture he took on your gay little theory he ANNIHILATED IT! If hes a crazy spastic what does that make Darwin? a F&^$#@% retard thats what!
Actually, he did make that very claim. Go look at his slides yourself, it’s all right there for everyone to laugh at. The only thing he annihilated was his credibility. The only thing more laughable than his “lecture” is the fact that you bought into it.
we arn’t talking about the same person. That or you’ve got an invalid source designed to descredit him. But your theory just as rediculous as the one you claim him to have.
I’m currently reading Dan Brown’s “Angels & Demons” and I have to say, I’m sympathizing with The Illuminati. A secret organization whose main goal is the eradication of religion, where do I sign up?
Allow me to translate: Baugh adopted the right tone of sarcastic contempt, rolled his eyes frequently, scratched his chin in a thoughtful way, and then said “but you make a crucial error here, as I clearly have leather patches on the elbows of my tweed sportsjacket, sir. Ah Ha! You are confounded, sir, con-Founded! Take that, you, you, [sneer]Darwinist[/sneer].”
Dud, if you think an oral debate is the proper format for testing the quality of scientific theories, then you probably think a juggling test is the best way to pick a dentist.
See? Those are leather patches on the elbows of my jacket, son. You are Con-Founded!
There’s no need for a secondary source to discredit this guy, in the same way that you don’t need a secondary source to discredit someone who claims to be a ‘Classical Scholar’ because ‘earlyclay eythay ancay eakspay atinLay!”
Oink.
Nope, same guy and he does a perfectly fine job of discrediting himself without any outside help.
Only to those people, such as yourself, who are ignorant of the evidence in support of it.
You fools, the illuminati is controled by the pope. Stuff Dan Brown he knows NOTHING!!!!!! Plus I haven’t seen one scientic reaon you’ve presented to prove him wrong. None of you have. Its ignorance why you hate him, it hurts your precious fake little world. Plus none of you try him scientifically because the evidence supports him. Plus I reviewed the tapes and I dont know what the hell your talking about. He Never claimed that the earth was ten percent the size. You were probably stonned or heard wrong. Cause I’ve heard his theory OVER AND OVER AGAIN to see if there were any major scientific flaws. Trust me its alot more believable than your evolution theory. The Probability of a molecule exploding and forming a working universe is the same as putting a bomb under a pile of wood, and with the explosion cause a little wodden house with working windows and doors to form. Pluasable? I dont think so! Prove me wrong scientifically, IF YOU CAN!!!!!!! MUHAHAHAHAHA
Ah, he’s back to play some more…
Someone’s been watching too many Hollywood movies…
You’re the one claiming he’s right. The burden of proof falls on you.
I don’t hate him, I’m actually rather amused by him. I’m just disappointed so many folks like yourself actually swallow the crap he’s shoveling.
My “little world” isn’t dependent on Evolution being correct so I feel no threat from the possibility that it might be false. On the contrary it’s clear that you put a lot of emotional stock into your version of events so it seems to me you’re engaging in a little projection here.
Actually, it doesn’t. It makes him a laughingstock. Hell, even his fellow creationists think he’s a nutbag.
It’s possible I may have misheard him as I was busy laughing my ass off at the time, but I don’t think I did as I recall that comment got an even bigger laugh from me. I wasn’t “stonned” though. I’ve never been “stonned” in my life.
And your credentials would be, what, exactly? Based on what you’ve said so far here I wouldn’t trust you to give me directions to the corner store, let alone tell me whether or not a particular scientific theory is sound. You come across as an idiot.
And with that you demonstrate that not only are you completely ignorant about the Theory of Evolution, but you’re also completely ignorant about Probability Theory.
I’m having more fun just laughing at you.
You sad little bogan, again, wheres your evidence, what kind of panzy agures using opinions and conotations. Damn your a retard. The only people who are amuzing is you people. People who go on about others saying how wrong they are using opinionated arguments with the biggest lack of prove. You couldn’t prove shit!
Your the idiot, a complete hipocrit, wheres your scientific evidence and degree to disprove me? IN HELL THATS WHERE. You dont even use an argument based on any other thing than an unsupported opinion. The only thing YOU achieve is apealling to the baised minds of your retard brain washed little freinds. WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? GOD? ha, laugh you ignorant hipocrite, laugh it up in your meaningly excuse for an opinion I’LL BE LAUGHING TO!!!!!!!!!!
The last lecture I heard from him was filmed a little over 15 years ago, but that one made sense more then Darwin’s theory which requires more faith to believe in than all the bible and very misinformed opinion or an IQ of around 38. But still, I dont know how valid the reports are of his sinility but when I heard his lecture then, IT MADE SENSE. Even If he’s gone crazy or got demensia now, he was once on the right track and you bunch of arragant, ignorant, biased, opinionated fools are yet to desprove the track that he once walked.
sorry bout two things, had to make some corrections, you retards really need a post/edit system!
Damn you people are the nut bags, show me the link that confirms your little 10% claims our your the ones who are discredited. Plus, if you didn’t care about evolution than you wouldn’t defend like you are! Again pissy little hipocrit.
Ooooo! I must have hit a nerve with my last comment. Pissed you off enough to generate four comments plus a duplicate. Which I’ve been kind enough to delete for you. Let’s see what we have this time.
Once again, you’re the one making the claim he’s right so the burden of proof is on you.
Blah blah blah. You’re just wasting your breath here.
I’m still waiting for you to provide something to rebut. So far all you’ve done is claim what a genius “Dr.” Carl Baugh is and how unbelievable you feel Evolution happens to be. Those are your opinions which you’ve provided nothing to back them up with other than your inane rantings.
That was just this side of being incomprehensible. Be sure to wipe the foam off your monitor before it dries and gets all crusty.
Actually my IQ has tested out to around 135, but I don’t put a lot of stock into IQ ratings.
As for the above comment from you, you make a lot of claims without one ounce of supporting citations or evidence to back them up. They are, once again, merely your opinions which I happen to disagree with. You keep crying about how I’ve not provided anything in the way of evidence to disprove your statements, but you’ve yet to provide anything in support of them. If you’re not going to bother then why should I?
I don’t care if you want to remain an ignorant dumbass who heaps praise on creationists with phony credentials just because your brain isn’t capable of grasping anything beyond the fairy tales you were taught in Sunday school.
We’ve already established that I trust your judgment less than that of a used car salesman so the fact that “Dr.” Carl Baugh’s laughable lectures made sense to you is hardly a ringing endorsement.
Pot? Meet kettle.
No, you just need to become a bit smarter and learn how to proof your comment before posting it. Using a spell checker might help your credibility a bit as well.
I never said I didn’t care about it, I said my world view isn’t dependent on it. If some other credible theory were to come along that shows that the Theory of Evolution is all wrong I’d actually find that very fascinating given all of the supporting evidence the current theory has behind it to date.
What “Dr.” Carl Baugh is proposing, though, isn’t a credible theory. It’s a bunch of pseudo-scientific mumbo jumbo that tries to wedge the fables in the Bible into a scientific suit. To anyone who has even a modest understanding of the theories in question it’s obvious that “Dr.” Carl Baugh is a nut case.
This is as good as Creation Science gets.
The only people on this planet ignorant enough to fall for creationism just happen to be the religious zealots of which this lunacy is part of their dogma.
IF Creationism had even the slightest evidence, data to even remotely support it then non-religious Scientist would at least entertain the Hypothesis long enough to disprove it.
No such controversy or debate exist.
I do not have a Ph.D but I do hold a Masters in Environmental Science from Stanford and worked for Scripps Inst. between 1984-1998 so I think I have a fair understanding of Evolutionary Theory.
One of the earlier post mentioned they had a “Biology teacher” whom refused to teach Evolution, then he should be fired immediately as it is technically impossible to teach Biology without using the very catalyst that ties it all together, the very cornerstone of all the life Sciences.
If I were going to school today and my teacher refused to teach Evolution I would head to the principle/Dean and demand action be taken or I would file a lawsuit.
This bullshit needs to be stopped in schools.
I have debated this Evolution Vs Creationism manure for many years and have never once found ONE creationist that would accept even the most overwhelming evidence that to anyone not suffering delusions is irrefutable.
So what I have decided in the last year or so is to stop defending what needs no defending, Evolutionary Theory needs no defending, the evidence for it is overwhelming, 100s of 1000s of Scientist from every field of research in every country for 150 years trying desperately to DISprove the theory have never come close, thus proving the theory well beyond any reasonable doubt, actually the core of Evolutionary Theory is probably THE most proven theory in all of Science.
There is not a Scientist on the face of the planet that wouldn’t love to DISprove Evolutionary Theory.
Funny thing is that the core of Evolution could easily be disproved if indeed it was not fact, all you need to do is simply show say a Hominid of any kind in the Jurassic or Cambrian periods along the Geological Column, BAM, Evolution disproved.
I just attack Creationism now with a vengeance & flatly refuse to defend Evolution any further as it clearly does no good whatsoever.
You will NEVER regardless how much irrefutable evidence presented convince a creationist of anything because facts mean nothing to them, so to waste time presenting it is of no value.
Proving Creationism to be bullshit will do no good either as they will refuse to accept factual reality, BUT, It is a hell of a lot more fun to watch them squirm and eventually sulk away.
http://www.millerandlevine.com/km/evol/design2/article.html
http://www.millerandlevine.com/km/evol/design1/article.html
On the flipside of how easy it would be to disprove Evolution BTW which has never been done, it would be just as easy to disprove Creationism by proving the opposite.
According to Creationist nutbags the entire fossil record was deposited in 1 year during a Global Flood just a few 1000 years ago.
That ignorant ass idea has been 101% debunked 1000s of times during every single paleontological & Geological dig which is of course all fervidly denied by all Creationist nutbags whole cloth. Their response to such irrefutable evidence everytime is to stick their fingers in their ears and shout goddidit, goddidit, goddidit godiditLALALALALALalalala.
Nunya gets gold star. Nunya made me giggle!