Brick Township, NJ, school board decides to shoot the messenger.

A teacher by the name of Stuart Mantel in the Brick Township School District in New Jersey went ballistic back in February when one of his students refused to stand for the National Anthem. When screaming at the student didn’t bring compliance Mantel grabbed his chair and literally yanked it out from underneath him. What Mantel didn’t realize was that another student was recording the whole altercation on his camera phone and later released the video on the web.

The class started out that morning with Mantel yelling “I don’t want to hear a sound! Not a sound! Morning exercises will come on, you will stand, you will stand quietly, you will pay attention! Any Questions!? … Now stand up and keep your mouths shut!” Students stood up as the national anthem began playing.

In the middle of the anthem, Mantel walked over to Jay and demanded that he stand up. Jay silently refused, and Mantel yelled again, “Stand up!” Jay then said “I don’t have to stand up.” To which Mantel insisted “You have to stand.” Jay said, “No I don’t.” Mantel then reached over and pulled Jay’s chair out from under him. Jay responded to Stuart Mantel’s outrageous behavior by asking Mantel “Are you serious?”, to which Mantel yelled “I am damn well serious.”

According to some of the students, Mantel is known for having anger management issues and has gotten very upset over any disrespect students show for the National Anthem or the Pledge of Allegiance many times in the past. The student who recorded the video clip had brought the camera specifically to catch Mantel if he blew up again. Given what’s seen on the tape you might assume that the school district disciplined the teacher or at least informed him of the fact that there have been many court rulings establishing a student’s right to sit quietly rather than be compelled to stand during the pledge or the anthem, but you’d be mistaken.

According to the account given on the IndyMedia site where the video was posted, the teachers and principal wanted Mantel to press charges against Jay and another student by the name of Corey on the grounds that they had violated Mantel’s Constitutional rights by taping him without permission arguing that the students had set Mantel up. A third student, Steve, who did the recording was suspended for 10 days for his part in this misadventure. The students claim Mantel wasn’t disciplined at all.

Yesterday Schools Superintendent Thomas L. Seidenberger issued a statement to the Asbury Park Press that says “not all details cited on the Internet regarding this incident are factual” without going into any further details.

District spokeswoman Jennifer Strano declined to say whether anyone had been disciplined, but said “appropriate administrative action” had been taken. School officials also would not identify “Jay” or the student using the camera phone.

So what did they say they were planning to do?

“We as a Board of Education realize that we are ushering a new era and will be forced to review our policies and perhaps enforce a more stringent districtwide policy regarding electronic recording devices in the classroom,” Seidenberger added.

Strano said each school in the district has a policy prohibiting the use of wireless phones in school during school hours.

In the statement, Seidenberger said he may ask the school board to adopt a stricter policy. He also said he may ask the board to consider developing a policy regarding unauthorized taping.

That’s right, they’re going to try and make sure nothing that embarrasses the district like this will ever happen again. We can’t have students standing up for their rights, after all, that would be bad.

Granted, the video clip that’s been released doesn’t give one a whole lot to make judgments about what sort of people the students or the teacher happen to be. It’s entirely possible that these kids have been a thorn in the side of this teacher for awhile and it’s also possible that the teacher is a major asshole who needs to take a chill pill or three. It does seem that Mr. Mantel has a problem with getting the respect he feels he should from his students and has resigned himself to trying to force that respect from his class. I had a couple of teachers like that when I was going through school and, in my experience at least, that approach never worked. If anything it resulted in open disrespect from kids who normally wouldn’t go out of their way to be disrespectful.

Regardless, Mantel’s forcing the student to stand was a violation of the student’s right to quietly sit for whatever reasons he had for doing so. This is exactly the sort of problem I and others have said would come from all these laws being passed by knee-jerk patriots who think that mandating schools to start the day with the National Anthem and the Pledge of Allegiance is going to somehow magically instill respect for this country or its government in the kids being forced to participate.

57 thoughts on “Brick Township, NJ, school board decides to shoot the messenger.

  1. This is not surprising at all. Only being out of it for one year I can say this is exactly how public school is. I have seen teachers grab desks while students are sitting in them and slide them across the room in anger. For some teachers yelling and screaming is a daily thing. Teachers k-12 are power hungry psychos. My favorite was being told that I “have to do” something. I don’t “have to” do anything. A teacher would give me an assignment and tell me if I didn’t do it they would give me a detention, isn’t the grade ‘E’ I would receive punishment enough? I fought that one with a meeting between me, a counseler and the teacher which I won surprisingly.

  2. Typical.  The authorities videotape us all the time (consent be damned) in places both public and private.  But let one of us videotape them misbehaving and suddenly they’re all on about “privacy” and “rights” and such.

    At my high school we had a PE teacher who used to do stuff like that.  In 1974 he pushed me against some lockers because I walked through the cafeteria with a hat on (“Hey!  See that red, white, and blue thing over there!?”)  He was never disciplined to my knowledge even though many complaints were made.

    It just occurred to me that he might have heard that I wasn’t standing during the pledge. Certainly justification for assaulting a kid half your size.

  3. I for one can’t recall a single incident at my high school in which a students rights were truly respected. High school basically operates in the same way as a dictatorship, so it’s not surprising. When we did a “1984” project for my Social Justice class one student compared our school to the 1984 society, with the students as the proles. Frankly, I couldn’t agree more.

  4. Above and beyond any issues involved, yanking a chair out from under a child is against the law.  How can they ignore this?

    I guess I was just lucky in going to the schools I went to…

  5. As Shana said, the school more seems worried about the students “invasion” of the teachers “privacy” (in a public place no less!) than by the fact that they have a teacher on their faculty who seems to routinely assault (that is the word I’d use) his students.

    Not that I’m surprised. While at the high school I went to I never saw or heard of a student being attacked by a teacher, I know for a fact that the entire faculty turned a blind eye to the methods used by the dorm prefects in disciplining the younger students, and in some cases actively encouraged them. This caused a bit of a media storm when a student in the year above me sent a letter to the local paper, excerpts of which made it into the national press. I remember our year being warned not to say anything by any press who got onto the school grounds or who we met while on day leave in the nearby town.

    Everything blew over, the shit continued. Had someone been able to do what these kid did and have it recorded however, many heads would doubtless have rolled.

  6. There was this one teacher at my high school that yelled at the students constantly with just cause. My teacher never physically assaulted us or trampled on any rules, he was simply controlling jerks who didn’t want to be there.

    This guy however, well, it’s hard to believe who is telling the truth. I wouldn’t trust the video as much as I trust the statements made by the school body.

  7. I wouldn’t trust the video as much as I trust the statements made by the school body.

    Wait, are you saying that you won’t believe your own eyes and choose to rely on the veracity of a school board circling the wagons against a major lawsuit to get at the truth? Are you prone to visual hallucinations? What you see in the video is an assault, pure and simple, and you cannot dismiss it because it happened to a minor at school instead of an adult at work. Would you make excuses for your boss if he knocked you to the floor for failing to genuflect whenever he mentioned the pope in your presence?

    Anyhow, this comes as no surprise to anyone who remembers that Rumsfeld’s biggest concern when the Abu Ghraib scandal broke was that cell phones with cameras needed to be banned from secure facilities. Better that 1000 prisoners be raped, tortured, and murdered by the government than 1 embarrassing scandal come to light, heaven forfend. What can you expect when Republicans control the government if NOT a defend the guilty attitude?

  8. Lots of problems with the video.

    One. It was staged and deliberately done, by the students….and a violation of the law.

    They should lose the phone completely. Never get it back.

    TWO, the student reportedly having his chair pulled out from under him? I doubt it. From the angle of the video view, it appears he was sitting atop the desk/stool….and from his body movement, there was no safety problem.

    THREE, it wasn’t specified, but I wonder if the purportedly agrieved student wasn’t the one doing the whistling.

    FOUR, As for his use of profanity, the school should have the student suspended for a week — for each profanity…That would come to at least three weeks. Also, have him lose all credits toward graduation during that period.
    It seemed the teen was acting more like a spoiled petulant infant, rather than someone who narrowly escaped physical injury.

    RE: Claiming the teacher should have been calling for assistance, there is a lot of information we don’t have — such as if they security responds quickly at the school; if the student (and his buds) have a continual history of disrupting the class and have not been punished by the administration…. and so many more questions.

    ALSO….yes, ban all cell phones except for those belonging to the teachers…… Perhaps have a claim check system with a safe for the students to check them in when they come on campus. Perhaps have it where students lose all credits gained toward graduation that semester if they are caught on campus with cell phones.
    Have it where they could earn back the credits by attending night school and night school only.

    ONE BIG suggestion, let the teachers control their own video cameras and record the classes…. Just think of the parent claiming

  9. Right, so the teacher could turn it off when he wanted to yell?  Screw that.
    And what’s with the anti-cell phone big brother bit?
    Are you sure you aren’t that teacher?

  10. give me a break if you think there isn’t more to this story than a group of web pages written by the same teenagers in question.  the video i say on the news shows the student knocking over his own chair when he stood up.  who said they were sitting quietly, when refusing to stand.  you only saw what a group of out of control teens wanted you to see.  when did it become wrong to treat a teacher with respect.  my kids have been taught to respect their teachers, if there is a problem to go to the principal or talk to us.  there has to be more to this story, but most people don’t want the truth.

  11. What I find ironic about gnus53’s comment is that he/she repeatedly claims the video doesn’t give much to judge the teacher by yet he/she is perfectly willing to assume the kids are the assholes and is ready to specify all manner of draconian rules to try and force the respect said teacher is unable to earn on his own. Please specify which law the kids have violated? I’m not aware of any laws prohibiting secretly taping a teacher losing control in front of his class.

    Bunyy, where I come from you have to earn your respect. It’s not given to you just because you’re in a position of authority. There were a lot of teachers I respected and admired growing up, but there were also several that demonstrated every reason for me to have absolutely no respect for them. The same is still true today. There are a number of people who have earned my respect and admiration, but easily as many who have demonstrated they’re not worthy of much more than contempt.

  12. It is actually quite likely that some of the students are jerks, spawned from years of being spoon-fed their “self-esteem” whether they accomplished anything or not.  Then if the teacher is a jerk, you get a situation guaranteed to explode.

    Videotaping classes to show parents their kids’ misbehavior is an entertaining idea, but I doubt most parents would change their behavior even if confronted with evidence.  Still, it’s worth a try.  If I were a teacher, I might say; “Since we’re videotaping you, feel free to videotape me.” (At least they’d be paying attention… heh!)  A room with 35 people in it can hardly be called a private situation.

    Cell phones in schools have many positives – family connections (people are busy and they have to manage complex days) safety (Columbine) and some reduction in the feeling of isolation that kids have in a needlessly authoritarian situation. (Kids are treated like prisoners, learning “citizenship” only as an abstraction like the disembodied math problems that prepare them for NCLB tests.)  And finally, keeping the authorities accountable with pictures and video. 

    There’s hardly anything more ludicrous than demanding respect while acting disrespectfully.  The authorities shout “foul” when kids do it, but hide behind rules when they themselves do it.

  13. One thig to keep in mind, and I still think that the teacher was out of line, is that the previous day they had a substitute teacher and they had made the sub’s life hell by shrinkwrapping a fellow student to his chair.

    FWIW

  14. Students’ provocation and supposed staging of the event, using of video phone and privacy of teacher are all IRRELEVANT as the question is focused on the actions of the teachers.

    Examine the issue from the back. Does a teacher in any circumstance have the right to attack the student? The answer would be in the negative. Student’s action at best could only be used as mitigating factors with regards to the punishment given to the students.

    Students actions are only relevant if one is answering the separate question relating to the discipline of the students. If one wants to expel the students for making it difficult for the substitute or shrinkwrapping a fellow student, by all means no one is stopping them. But that has no relevance to the actions of the teacher.

    Separate the issues so as not to confuse the distinct incidents involved. Even a police officer who had arrested a murderer have no right to batter that person.

  15. In my senior year in high school I took a psychology class and had a really great teacher, Mrs. Juchau.  Funny, smart, hip—in her late 50s, I’d guess.  One day she called in sick and we got a substitute.  I don’t know what this woman’s problem was, but she was on a hair trigger.  And no, we were not horrible or mean to her.  We respected Mrs. Juchau too much to make trouble for this substitute.  Anyway, this woman yelled and screamed at us the entire hour.  We didn’t even know what we were doing that was setting her off—we tried to ask her, but she just saw that as insubordination.  She said she was going to write a report to Mrs. Juchau about how awful we all were.

    The next day Mrs. Juchau came back.  She walked in, gave us her usual cheery hello.  We just sat in silence, not knowing what was going to happen.  She saw a notebook on her desk.  “What’s this?”  She picked it up and read the first page.  The expression on her face would’ve been comical if we hadn’t been so scared.  She then chucked the thing into the trash, turned to us, and said, “Now, where did we leave off?”

    So here’s to Mrs. Juchau!

    —Joe grin

  16. It should be obvious that a town with a name like Brick Township that its not exactly going to be the smartest town in the nation. Darn that Middle (but not literally Middle) American again…

  17. I’m going with Les on this one and any of you who don’t think the teacher acts like this all the time are idiots.

  18. I’m with Les, too.

    I have little experience with American schools; all I know is that those that went to both European and American schools felt cheated out of an education in the US. Having said that, there are asshole teachers everywhere. Let’s face it, there are in-duh-vi-duh-als in that profession that are quite unqualified.

    In the German Gymnasium (a different kind of bench pressing than in a gymn) I went to, the teachers had to earn our respect. Some we feared, but we found ways to get even. I’m afraid we were vindictive bastards…

    I haven’t viewed the video, but if the teacher lost his cool, then he must be disciplined. Whatever other issues the school has with the students are a seperate issue. It’s really a simple matter and if it isn’t, the school has a major problem.

  19. ed. code is enforced different in CA (or at least in my district).  EVERYONE (students & teachers) are required to stand, (though not to recite) the pledge.  It doesn’t say anything about the kid refusing to stand as a political statement of belief.  That’s how I can tell a kid is going to have a bad day.  He doesn’t feel like doing anything, even standing up.

    When a situation gets that bad, it’s usually an indication that both teacher & students are about as fucked up as they come.  Video clips may be true, but they never have context.

    In my classroom, it’s a joke if the kids yell at me “Stop yelling!” becuase I never do.  They also laugh at me when they get out of hand or refuse to work & I respond “I’m becoming frustrated & feel like I’m being rudely ignored.  I know I’m an authority figure, but I’m also a human being, & I’m trying to help you.”  Videotape of my Friday morning would never make the local news.  A student a foot taller than me told me to “shut up” & “fuck you” in my face because I said “I’ll have to separate you 2” (a girl he was discussing a break-up with).  Or the 200 times a day I’m interrupted mid-sentence with “This is boring/dumb”

    I tell my students that it seems rebellion & freedom have become popular benevolent ends in & of themselves, with no other purpose, & that’s a pathetic waste of energy.  We rebel against bad authority & fight for freedom so we can do something valuable!

    As for you complaining about teachers, I had my share of half-witted basket cases.  But for once, consider, 35 people in a room for an hour, 6 different times with barely a 20 minute lunch before you have to answer to your boss & a few parents asking why you didn’t notice some slight slacking or unhappiness in one of the 210 kids you saw all day.  Of course it’d be great if we could have one class size of 15 & each teacher had only 2-3 classes, but that’s not the way it is.  I’ve reprimanded or asked what a student was doing when s/he was doing nothing truly troublesome. But for each of those, I don’t notice a kid wandering out of his/her seat to poke someone else, distract others, &/or God knows what else.

    If you’re a brilliant person who doesn’t need a teacher, good for you.  But please understand what it must be like to be responsible for not only 210 immature people, but for making sure they learn something valuable, & doing it in the calmest way possible 6 hours a day, 5 days a week, 180 days a year.

  20. Well, they put videos in school busses, the bus drivers don’t necessarily have control.  It might help both students & teachers think about the context they build everyday. I love this blog for anything school-related in national news.  You can also check out this.

  21. Interesting question in that second link:

    When is the last time that anyone saw teacher stress or burnout addressed in the Mainstream Media?

    Answer: 13 Feb. 05 Time magazine cover story, Parents behaving badly  It was all about how kids feel like they rule the place and parents do exactly zero to back up the teachers, high teacher turnover, etc.  I also see articles about it quite frequently in the Chicago Trubune.

    No wonder we don’t get brilliant teachers.

    On a related matter, I can only wonder about the minds that can believe forcing people to recite a pledge everyday will increase patriotism.  Kids are allowed none of the freedoms they are promised as Americans.  It’s all pie-in-the-sky to them.

    Would allowing such freedoms make schools impossible to manage?  Maybe, unless some other priorities are put in order.  Every class needs at least one teacher’s aid, for example. No one should have to control 35 adversaries.

    Too much money?  Have to look at school sports other programs to cut so we can concentrate on the core mission of education.

  22. I may be wrong, but I was under the impression that students didn’t have to stand for the pledge. I know there are several groups in the country who won’t say the pledge—Jehovah’s Witnesses, for one.

  23. Wowsers, okay I have to say that I just now saw this video for the first time and I was floored.  This is actually a subject that hits very close to home for me because I have a friend who had gotten in trouble several times with his teacher for failing to stand.  His reason behind not standing at the time was that he didn’t feel one should be pounded in to patriotism, so he chose not to participate.  As a result, the teacher told him a number of times that if he didn’t stand, his grade would be penalized.  Sure enough, his quarterly report card came and his grade had been knocked down to a B and his citizenship to an N (Needs to Improve – the lowest grade).

    Ironically, I love law, and have a huge number of supreme court cases and decisions memorized, so when he told me about it (which was actually when he got his report card) I knew that what was going on was actually illegal. 

    A little background….  In 1943, a landmark Supreme Court ruling was handed down in the case of West Virginia State Board Of Education vs. Barnette.  In this case, the Supreme Court ruled that coercing a student to recite the pledge of allegiance was unconstitutional and a violation of their rights (this was long before the words “under god

  24. Several points:
    One – was whistling disruptive and purposeful or silently respecting the anthem?

    Two – No one was being forced to stand until AFTER the whistling started….which probably drew the teacher to the teen “dream”… hence the shouted command to stand…

    Three – it seems that we still have a lot of very permissable people posting here….and eager to jump on the teacher…..but remember, the video only showed what the students wanted.

    RE: students….the best way to handle that situation would be for the teacher, who probably knows all the “problems” to have security come and escort ALL of them to the on-campus suspension facility EN MASSE. AND fill in the reports which would guarantee that (hopefully) they would be spending several days out of the classroom.
    Several years ago, I had about 10 students trying to talk over me in class, so I arranged for ALL of them to get on-campus suspension room stays for two days and required them to get any classwork or homework assignments from their friends and turn them in on time—or get an F on the assignments. I also arranged for letters to be sent home highlightling the fact that they were extremely disruptive and made several warnings and recommendations.

    In one school district I know, students in one class poisoned their teacher….another sexual assaulted a paraplegic teacher….other repeated slugged teachers in the faces, threatened them with bodily harm……and much more…

    In many cases, a number of the incidents get blamed on the teacher or the substitute when the students were responsible for their own actions.

    It used to be just a few, but the numbers are growing… The best way to handle the situations like in Brick Township and everywhere else is to separate the ones who want to learn from those who do not.
    Those who are separated from their classmates should be able to EARN their way into the regular classroom through good behavior and good production/school work.

    As to those who still want to blame the teachers…. I guess it is the teachers’ fault when the miscreants cheat, steal, assault someone….

    AS TO RESPECT…..respect is not given but earned—and that goes for the students….the crybabies who claim someone DISSED them. I usually told students who tried to say I dissed them by asking them to do some classwork that they are the ones who have been dissing themselves and their classmates…

    As to my suggestion on teacher taping, the reason I mentioned it was for teachers to be able to show the true actions of an incident…..and not for it to be used as some Big Brother evaluation tool.

  25. I’m reminded of the movie, “The Caine Mutiny,” with Humphrey Bogart. The Captain acted badly, but the crew were not blameless. Perhaps the teacher would be happier in a different profession, or at least a different environment. Yes, the students have rights, but they needn’t weild them like a club. I see no clear victory for either side, here.

  26. Several points:
    One – was whistling disruptive and purposeful or silently respecting the anthem?

    No one has ever come forward stating that the person sitting was the one whistling.  In my classes in school, usually the people engaging in civil disobedience (such as coughing, talking, whistling, snorting, etc) were the ones who were pissed off about having to stand, but didn’t know they had the right to remain seated.

    Two – No one was being forced to stand until AFTER the whistling started….which probably drew the teacher to the teen “dream

  27. It’s not easy being a school board member … take a look at

    Board members share reasons NOT to run for school board.  Okay, so maybe that’s not a sentiment you’d expect from NSBA, but when Gary Lister, a rookie school board member from Georgia, shared his humorous e-book “99 Reasons to Never, Ever Again Run for School Board” with other board members on NSBA’s School Board of Tomorrow e-mail list, we just had to do the same. It’s a very funny work-in-progress that is looking for more school board members to share their experiences. Gary hopes to collect a reason from every state … be sure to check out the Alaskan submission. Gary says to other board members, “We’ve all been in circumstances that made us question the sanity of seeking to serve. We can vent a bit, preserve for posterity, and perhaps prepare those who follow for service.” Want to add a reason? Just send it to us and we’ll be sure to pass it on to Mr. Lister in Georgia.

  28. This isn’t an issue about what was done to the teacher as a result of the teacher’s actions, but how one student violated the privacy of another student (thus a minor) by making a video recording with out parental consent.

    Cell phones, pagers, cameras, and any electroic recording or comunication devices should not be acceptable in the posession of students while in school. The opportunity to unobtrusively violate the rights of another student (minors) are just too great. To fully understand this truth, you must view this from the victim’s point of view.

  29. John writes…

    This isn’t an issue about what was done to the teacher as a result of the teacher’s actions, but how one student violated the privacy of another student (thus a minor) by making a video recording with out parental consent.

    I disagree. This is entirely an issue of what (wasn’t) done to the teacher in question and has nothing to do with violating another student’s right to privacy. The issue of another student’s privacy isn’t even raised by the school administrators in any of the news reports about this incident. To try and play it off as a privacy violation is nonsense at best.

    Cell phones, pagers, cameras, and any electroic recording or comunication devices should not be acceptable in the posession of students while in school. The opportunity to unobtrusively violate the rights of another student (minors) are just too great. To fully understand this truth, you must view this from the victim’s point of view.

    This has to be one of the silliest arguments I’ve read in awhile. Please cite the appropriate laws in regards to your claims. Somehow, given the fact that recording of students without prior parental consent occurs all the time in schools all across the country in the form of pictures for student IDs and pictures to Radio/Television classes, I doubt you’ll find much to support your claims.

  30. Ah, a pledge apologist…

    I haven’t seen the movie back then and all the links given in the opening post are now dead. Having said that, the propriety of recording the incident and publishing the video is an issue of little signifance compared to a teacher yelling at a student for exercising his right and pulling out a chair from under him.

    A teacher’s and student’s rights to privacy (if any) do not trump another student’s rights not to be verbally abused and physically assaulted. Reminds me of Abu Ghraib – never mind the abuse, hide the evidence and all is a-okay.

  31. but how one student violated the privacy of another student (thus a minor) by making a video recording with out parental consent.

    “Excuse me, I couldn’t help but notice you are being mugged. Would you mind if I filmed the incident to take to the police?  What was that? Urrrg, aaaarrgggg. Is that a yes or a no?”

  32. Cell phones, pagers, cameras, and any electroic recording or comunication devices should not be acceptable in the posession of students while in school.

    Interesting, when I was in highschool; still cameras, 8mm movie cameras, and tape recorders were commonly carried by students and nobody had problems with them.  Frequently, the cameras and tape recorders were being carried as part of a class assignment, and in the case of the school newspaper and yearbook photographers, the cameras and film were provided by the school.  Pagers were not commonly available at the time and car phones were very rare (there was no such thing as a portable phone).

  33. Cell phones, pagers, cameras, and any electroic recording or comunication devices should not be acceptable in the posession of students while in school.

    When I was a high school student in California, it was a given that you carried a cell phone. The risk of earthquakes was too high not to have some form of communication to the outside world on your person. When I’m trapped under falling rubble I don’t think I’ll be thinking about the privacy of my fellow students, I think I’ll be thinking about—you know—getting us the hell out of there.

    Because, yeah, the purpose of a cell phone is to take pictures and infringe on people’s privacy and stuff. Right.

  34. TSoup: Well, apparently John doesn’t think so.

    You’re right.
    Cameras don’t kill people; people do.  LOL

  35. EVERYONE HAS THEIR FACTS WRONG!!!! that was my freshman year there and it was not a camera phone, it was a video camera in his shirt and a student wasnt saran wrapped to a desk it was a chair and he was wheeled out into the hallway… GOD!!!

  36. y wtf? its the truth… i was there, that was my school, corey zappa was a god for a bit at that time… it was amazing

  37. ANYONE who thinks that the teacher did nothing wrong and the school board is right…. You can go suck a big one. ur probley the same person or someone like the teacher in the video who wants to control everyones god damb life. go to hell. and get a life.

    QUOTE——————————-

    “gnus53 Posted on 03/04/2005 at 04:58 AM

    Lots of problems with the video.

    One. It was staged and deliberately done, by the students….and a violation of the law.

    They should lose the phone completely. Never get it back.

    TWO, the student reportedly having his chair pulled out from under him? I doubt it. From the angle of the video view, it appears he was sitting atop the desk/stool….and from his body movement, there was no safety problem.

    THREE, it wasn’t specified, but I wonder if the purportedly agrieved student wasn’t the one doing the whistling.

    FOUR, As for his use of profanity, the school should have the student suspended for a week — for each profanity…That would come to at least three weeks. Also, have him lose all credits toward graduation during that period.
    It seemed the teen was acting more like a spoiled petulant infant, rather than someone who narrowly escaped physical injury.

    RE: Claiming the teacher should have been calling for assistance, there is a lot of information we don’t have — such as if they security responds quickly at the school; if the student (and his buds) have a continual history of disrupting the class and have not been punished by the administration…. and so many more questions.

    ALSO….yes, ban all cell phones except for those belonging to the teachers…… Perhaps have a claim check system with a safe for the students to check them in when they come on campus. Perhaps have it where students lose all credits gained toward graduation that semester if they are caught on campus with cell phones.
    Have it where they could earn back the credits by attending night school and night school only.

    ONE BIG suggestion, let the teachers control their own video cameras and record the classes…. Just think of the parent claiming ‿ My Jonnie/Janey would never do that‿….and have the teacher able to show their perfect kid….doing everything from cheating to stealing …. to everything else … during a parent-teacher conference.

    The best way to do it would be that if it was only allowable for the teacher to run or view. If there was any complaints, then that particular class could be viewed by the other teachers in their section.

    BTW, all of the students involved in this little stunt should probably be banned from the school entirely…..they were not virgins when it came to class disruption….and the school/class would be better off without them. Let them go to a private or county remedial school — one that confiscates all cell phones.

    That might leave the students in the class who actually would like to learn…

    Does the teacher have some problems….? Yes…. but the best way to handle this is to remove those fools…even from the school if they are habitual miscreants.

    Perhaps if they had to pay to get a diploma, they might actually pay attention in class enough to graduate with better than 3rd grade level skills…

    In many ways, the video shows that many of the schools have the inmates running the asylums….
    and students showing little if any “family values” like respect. ”

  38. What a strange lot of comments.  Lucky, I think that you are right about the red cordial.

  39. There seems to be empirical evidence that not all teachers and principals care about legalities that get in the way of their misguided jingoismpatriotism.

    We make sure to keep a note on file that our older daughter is excused from this state-sponsored empty ritual. It’s her call if she wants to do it or not.

  40. Not only did the school teacher violate the right for the student to sit quietly, but I doubt that the school, a publicly funded government facility, can constitutionally prohibit a video being taken of the teacher in class, since this would be a clear violation of the first amendment.

  41. The video was entertaining. not shocking or terrifying. What i wonder is…did the teacher really start the morning out like that or did the students do something to really light the fuse? none of those answers are in video, for all i know the student could have started it after that took place, making it look like it was the teacher who started the mess. The kids could say all they want, the only proof they have is the video of a madman on overdrive, but nothing that proves whether who started what. Which is a total downer for me, cause i bet anything the kids pushed him over the edge. Either way though, he shouldn’t have gone overboard like that.

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