Ending the Myth of Horus

[Editor’s Note: It was my intent to have a reply ready before posting this, but I’ve found myself putting it off due to a busy weekend so I’m going to go ahead and post it as is. I’ll address it properly in the comments as soon as I have the opportunity though I’m sure there are several regulars who will probably be more than capable of addressing it first.]

I’ve heard repeated here several times that Horus, an Egyptian god, is carbon copy of Jesus.  The obvious implication by those that have made this statement is that Jesus is a copycat version of an earlier Egyptian deity.  The purpose of this entry is to disembowel that proposition once and for all.

When I first heard that Horus was the inspiration for Jesus several years ago, I didn’t give it much credence because I couldn’t establish any source material for the claims.  I still can’t, but the internet is as adept at allowing anybody and everybody to pass on misinformation.

Upon further research, I’ve concluded that this theory originated with Gerald Massey, an English poet, born 1828, died 1927.  He published primarily poems, but had an interest in Egypt.  He parlayed that interest in Egypt into several books and lectures in which he set forth the proposition that Horus was in essence the first Jesus, and Jesus was a cheap imitation.  The primary basis for his writing is the Egyptian Book of the Dead.  This is available on-line and you can easily look it up to read it yourself.  Be forewarned that forced reading of this would be an extremely efficient form of torture.

It should be noted that Massey’s actual proposition was that Jesus was a copycat from more than just Horus.  According to Massey, Jesus was a compilation of an innumerable number of Egyptian deities.  There were over 2,000 deities who had every human and godlike characteristic one can think of, excepting Superman’s power to stop a speeding bullet.

Since Massey, there is a dearth of anybody with any credentials that has adopted a straight Horus=Jesus theory.  There is a one individual that has adopted some of Massey’s thoughts and incorporated them into a book-The Christ Conspiracy.  This appears to be the basis for the claims that I see.  The author is Acharya S.  Her website is http://www.truthbeknown.com I note that Richard Price, a noted Christ Myther, and one that I take much more seriously then Acharya, said the following:

“Those of use who uphold any version of the controversial Christ Myth theory find ourselves immediately the object not just of criticism, but even of ridicule. And it causes us chagrin to be lumped together with certain writers with whom we share the Christ Myth butt little else…..

His other criticism, like mine, is that she uses very dated sources (19th Century) who were in Price’s words “eccentrics, freethinkers, and theosophists.”

Les, I am using your post from 1/3/05 as an example of the claims because you carry more credibility than most. That said here are the claims and what I have found:

Claim #1-Horus and Jesus are born from a virgin.

Horus’s mother is Isis.  Isis was married to Osiris.  We do not know for what length of time, but presumably the marriage was consummated.  Whether it was or wasn’t doesn’t matter though.  After Osiris is killed, Isis puts him back together again (he was hacked into 14 pieces) except for his penis which was tossed in a river or a lake.  Iris fashions a substitute penis for him, humps him and here comes Horus.  There is nothing virginal about that.

Claim #2-Both Horus and Jesus were born to a Mary and Joseph. (Seb)

As noted Isis is Horus’s mother’s name not Mary.  In addition, Seb is not Horus’s father, Osiris is.  Seb is Osiris’s father.  Further, Seb is a distinct name from Joseph.  Putting them side by side does not make them synonyms, and that appears to be what was done here.

Claim #3-Both were born of royal descent.

This is accurate.

Claim #4-Both births were announced by angels and witnessed by shepherds.

I can find nothing that mentions that the birth of Horus was announced by an angel or witnessed by shepherds.  I have found that Horus was born in a swamp, which is a pretty unlikely place for shepherds.  In addition Acharya mentions that Horus was born in a cave.  Massey makes no mention of this, although he does represent that Mithra was born in a cave.

Claim #5-Both were heralded by stars and angels.

There is no star that heralded Horus’s birth nor is there any angel announcing it.  Archarya in a footnote in The Origins of Christianity indicates that that there are three stars named the three kings in Orion and then relates this to the birth of Jesus.  When we look to the stories regarding Horus, we find no star or angel announcing his birth.  To the extent that Acharya S relies upon Massey and Massey relies upon what is depicted in the panels at Luxor see (from an atheist) further regarding virgin birth and pronouncement by angels http://www.frontline-apologetics.com/carrier_luxor_inscription.htm

Claim #6-Both had later visitors (Horus-3 deities and Jesus-3 wisemen.)

There is no indication that there ever were 3 wisemen.  The bible never mentions the number of wisemen, nor is there any document that reflects 3 deities at the birth of Horus.  See the website referenced in Claim #5.

Claim #7-Both had murder plots against them.

There is mention that Seth did want to kill Horus, and Herod wanted to kill Jesus.  so this is accurate.

Claim#8-Both came of age at 12, were baptized and their baptizers were executed.

There is no indication that Horus was preaching in a temple when he was 12.  In fact, Massey indicates that Hours the child was depicted as a “weakling.”  That doesn’t jive with story of Jesus preaching in the temple.  Again this appears to have been a confabulation from Acharya and repeated by others.

Horus was never baptized in any of the Horus stories.  In addition, Acharya mentions that John the Baptist is actually Anup the Baptizer.  This individual is never mentioned anywhere in any Horus account.  There is not even a footnote in Archaya’s on-line work The Origins of Christianity to support this.  There is nothing.

Claim #9-Both had 12 disciples.

According to the Horus accounts, Horus had four semi-gods that were followers.  There is some indication of 16 human followers and an unknown number of blacksmiths that went into battle with him.  Horus did not have 12 disciples. Jesus reportedly did.  Acharya failed to give a footnote to support this.

Massey points to a mural in the Book of Hades in which there are twelve reapers.  Horus is not present in this scene.  For Massey to make this connection he goes to a different scene within the same mural.  In this scene there is a picture of a god whose name is the Master of Joy.  Horus is never depicted although in other murals the artists do depict Horus.  Had the artists ascribed 12 reapers in any relation to Horus all they had to do was put Horus at the scene.  They did not.

Claim #10-Both walked on water.

Horus didn’t, or at least there is no record that I can find that he did.  Massey does not maintain that Hours did.  Massey uses wild conjecture to connect the story of fish man, Oannes, not Horus, to Jesus.  Oannes came out of the sea during the day, and went back into the sea at night.  Massey makes the two analogous because by his calculations, Jesus walked on water during the day.

As to Acharya, she as usual provides nothing to substantiate this.

Claim #11-Both performed miracles.

This is true although the miracles were different in scope and nature.

Claim #12 Both exorcised demons and raised Lazarus.

The actual claim is that Horus raised Osiris from the dead and that the name Osiris morphed to Lazarus.  It doesn’t matter because Horus did not bring Osiris back to life.  There is no mention of this in any document regarding the story.  Horus did avenge Osiris’s death, but that did not raise Osiris from the dead.

Claim #13-Both held a Sermon on the Mount; both were transfigured on a mountain, died by crucifixion along with two thieves and were buried in tombs where they paid a quick visit to Hell and then rose from the dead after 3 days time, both resurrections were witness by women, and both will supposedly reign for 1,000 years in the Millennium.

These are the most damning claims if they were proven true in my opinion.  Yet, I can locate none of this.  No sermon, no transfiguration, certainly no crucifixion w/ two thieves, no trip to hell and no resurrection.  There was an incident in which Horus was torn to pieces and Iris requested the crocodile god to fish him out of the water he was tossed into, which was done, but that’s it.  I am at a loss to refute this because I can not find anything to support it.

Massey does compares a story about the Autumn Equinox related to Osiris, not Horus, as the symbolic crucifixion.  There is no indication that Horus is involved in any way.  There is no mention by Massey of any Sermon on the Mount.  No mention or any actual crucifixion, no two thieves, no burial in a tomb.  Massey does not maintain that anything of the sort occurred with Horus.

In short, of the claims outlined in this entry, I find the comparison between Horus and Jesus to consist of the following: they were of royal descent, they allegedly worked miracles and there were murder plots against them.

1,015 thoughts on “Ending the Myth of Horus

  1. I find this article and the banter interesting . Nunya tho make the single most significant and important distinction in all of this. it is all astrological, the births the people the times all are based on seasons and astrology. I was one of those sheepishly believing in god but slowly realized that in 2000+ yrs there is not one single tangible piece of physical proof of Jesus. but you can go back throughout time and look up all of the so called sun gods and look at their claimed lives and they ALL share the same stories. you can deny this single fact in maybe a handful but when you can take gods from different times and countries i’m talking almost a hundred and cross reference them they virtually are the same. given translational differences and the likes. Christians refuse to be open minded on anything that goes against their belief system. when you look up the astrological data in the time periods of all of these gods they happen at the same time of the year at very specific times in history. like Nunya says “ages” what will you do when 2115 rolls around when all of a sudden the new god appears hence the new age of Aquarius. remember if you go back in both human history globally and astrologically you will see the bigger picture and the connection between all of it. why do you think when we find old world sites everything is astrological? no matter in the world, everything predating “Christianity” is 100% astrological and more accurate than we can do today. I don’t have websites to quote but I have done a lot of searching and from many places. mostly scholastic stuff and various other sites. my point is this those of you who fervently hold onto the belief that jesus was a real person for whatever reason it is false. true enlightenment is the ability to look at data that smacks your beliefs and saying you know what this could and can be true, no matter how painful it is and for some it would crush there worlds. man until recent history as a majority has always been inclusive and loving but in the past 20 or so years we have been slowly and sheepishly made to trust no one like no one but ourselves. that is not what humans are they need each other and when you live a lie it helps no one. so look at all the gods and jesus in astrological terms and it will set the lights off. the 3 kings are orions belt the 12 followers are the 12 zodiac signs god is the sun nothing more , the resurrection is the time when the sun sets the lowest on the horizon between dec 21st-24th and moves 1 degree north marking the rebirth or beginning of the new season. christens need to pull there heads out of the sand because like I said the age of Aquarius is coming soon and watch there will be a new god proclaimed.

  2. Yay, someone finally gets it.
    But there won’t be any further changes once Aquarius rises because for the last 2000 years the lunatics that believe this nonsense made it “historical ” instead of what it was originally “allegorical ”
    Today they actually believe that a real living breathing godman called jesus walked the Earth.
    I mean look at how difficult it is to even get a damn ATHEIST to accept the irrefutable fact that no such entity ever existed.
    If facts meant anything then religion would not exist today, but clearly facts don’t mean a damn thing.
    They went from worshipping Taurus to Aries to now Pisces they will ignore the fact they are worshipping the sun and stars today because it would prove they are insane.

  3. luckyjohn19 Christianity is a farce, It actually is slavery to the masses. like many before me have stated there is absolutely no physical proof of Jesus’s existence, why? it is all allegorical based off of centuries of astrological and mythological stories . any priest, clergy or leader of religion will tell you Christianity is 100% FAITH based not fact. the catholic church has repeatedly and openly made this case on the news.
    the whole Horus-Jesus comparison gets fought over because one wants to fervently believe that the “holy” spirit got Mary pregnant , but the Egyptian version of Horus’s birth is invalid because of his mom screwing a dismembered person with a “dildo” basically. if we look at both for what they really are they are symbolic representations that’s it. not meant to be taken as literal text. but the religious establishment does, sooo if by default you except that the holy spirit came down screwed Mary and she some how got pregnant you HAVE to accept this simple scientific fact. the holy spirit was in fact a poltergeist ,a malevolent spirit . there is a very well documented case of this from the 70’s and a movie was made based on this event. there also have been other cases of similar events. so god a ghost came in screwed Mary is no different in rational than Horus’s mom screwing a dead man with a dildo. it is more about the story of rebirth not the literal happening between the 2 gods. as I an many have stated before the Jesus – Horus story is astrological nothing more.
    someone wrote about the story of Vulcan back in 2005 and it explained this whole thing better than 2/3 of all of us who have tried to put logic, fact or rational to this. but in the end it is just stories that are meant to remind man when it is specific times in the year and what that means relative to what needs to be done to survive. us as humans sheepishly go along believing one thing becoming more and more isolationist and destroying the very thing all of these different stories tell us not to do. it doesn’t matter what your religious belief is or isn’t but it is about us as humans straying from the core story that all of these stories tell. how us as humans need to be inclusive, work together, take care of our planet. mans greed is the number 1 reason why the world is what it is not any belief or the lack of. true enlightenment is the ability to see something for what it truly is even if it goes 100% against your own beliefs and accept that it can and could also be true. that is what generations before us did so why in the last 6 generations the change? money pure and simple if you look back in history it slaps you in the face like a scorned woman. you just have to open your mind to the idea that we all have been fed a line of crap and it is up to us as individuals to take care of ourselves and the earth that these stories tell. not line 1% of the worlds population with billions of dollars while the rest slave away mindlessly.

    I would also like to point out one other thing. how is it that cultures thousands of miles away from each other with no know way of contacting each other have the same beliefs and the same stories? they are talking about the same things sometimes in a little different way but when its all worked out it in fact is the same? it is because it all evolves around astrological events and allegoric stories. the Mayans calendar was correct just 100yrs off when it said the end would come in 2015 they were referring to the new age in 2115 the age of Aquarius not the end of the world. look up the whole Mayan calendar thing and look at when the age of Aquarius is

  4. Well sir you are very wrong in most of the stuff you are talking about. You do not know the true story of how this society that we live in is based of what was created in Ancient Egypt. The more that you learn the deeper you get into knowing the real truth. You have to understand that if Humanity started in Africa we should study more about the civilazations that existed way before Jesus did. The story of horus was 3000 years older from Jesus and there is evidence that supports that. A lot of people are being brainwashed and manipulated by religion and it limits their knowledge. Its just how the bible says that there are only 6000 years in a world and EVIDENCE shows that its false. The media also plays a big part in this and now in days people dont even care about this stuff. I am just happy we as humans can argue and study this intelligence that has existed before us because a lot of people are ignorant and just dont care. Look man not too long ago did i have a christian mentality but i am a person who reads and reads a lot. You have to give yourself knowledge.

  5. I agree with some of what your saying, but I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I don’t think the world began with Egypt but I was trying to spell out a lot of discrepancies in the initial argument between Horus and Jesus. there are a lot 100’s of stories that if you look at how their so called god’s came to be they have a very similar story line which evolves around astrology not an actual person. I agree with you on Africa, mass genetic testing from several org’s have scientifically proven that man originated from there so that brings to question why and where does Jesus come into this? religion is both social slavery and a legal Ponzi scam based solely on faith not fact requiring it’s followers to give billions upon billions of dollars every year. so I pose this question to your followers, how can one believe in the whole emacculent conception thing but refuse to believe dinosaurs lived millions of years ago or that man has existed for more than 100,000 yrs. this is a more important question than the one put forth originally . I would like to add I have read a lot of your posts and a lot of them are quit good keep it up.

  6. From the Egyptian hieroglyphs in association with Osiris is this ‘ KRST’ to do with buriel, wrapping the body in bandages and such. KRST became CHRIST. In the story of Jesus, he was wrapped in strips of linen like a mummy, not in one long shroud!
    I haven’t time to point you to references. I’ll let you enjoy your own research.

  7. Like Osiris jesus wasn’t wrapped in anything, he did not exist.
    The oral stories changed with each person that told them.

    Since both jesus and Osiris are in fact sun gods then no doubt many stories are virtually identical because they are referring to the same mythical character just in a different culture and different Era.

  8. I assume you must be referring to Consigliere.
    The problem that the ‘Believers” have with Egyptian Mythology is that there is no one version of it.
    Isis has been called “Lady of 1000 names” as she was literally part of virtually every aspect of Egyptian Mythology.
    There is no discussion possible with true believers.
    They simply can not grasp that the MYTH of jesus is about the same celestial being as Horus, and all the other 19 or so SUN GODS.
    No amount of detailed explanation will ever sink in.

  9. *facepalm* What is it with people on here saying this guy is a blind believer? Have a look at the blog would you? This guy is a nonbeliever. So am I, and I think Zeitgeist was horseshit. In fact, most atheists debunk it.

  10. nunyabiz

    you clearly failed miserably in this debate.
    the thread starter blew you out of the water 11 years ago and yet you are still here like a dog with lock jaw clinging to your stance…a stance that jesus is a fable

    but please show us the dignity and self respect to atleast acknowledge that the claim that the jesus story was a copy of the horus story was indeed here in this thread pretty much proven to be wrong…even if that only be in the absence any prooffrom yourself or others including Acharya S who slipped away from the debate when asked for any legitimate sources for her claims.

    It is also clear to me that you are stuck in the thought form that jesus was just another fabled sun god…and that’s the end of the matter…but what if you are right in so far that he was such a sun god but a real one….and the astrological connections you point to were actually manifested on earth as it is in the heavens…. what if you have been mistaken in your confusion between the literal and the fable…what if

  11. Rotflmao.
    I completely destroyed him on every point.
    There is ZERO doubt that the jesus story is without question just one out of 20+ sun god stories.
    All of them virtually the same.
    Anyone that can’t see that is delusional.

  12. Hello, wanted to address the part of your comment where you spoke of a dearth of supporting material for the Jesus/Horus and perhaps also an Osiris comparison (my addition.) Joseph Campbell speaks and writes about it several times, if you expand your research there, while dated academically speaking, you will find more “evidence.” Campbell foundation is on You Tube too, and listening to Joe speak is always fun.

    The net has greatly embellished the story, but the similarity, the path of the heroes, and the events that take place are similar enough, and repeated enough, that one can certainly see a pattern for how people the world over create gods, saviors, and messiahs.

    Still, I don’t mean to shoehorn anything, there are differences, but the similarities and the intent of the belief, and the time line order of those beliefs arising upon the Earth does lend some credence to the thought that Christians simply copied the most effective belief systems that had preceded them. Since everyone else did that in the region it follows that they did too.

  13. There was a Census of Quirinius ordered by Augustus. However this was in 6CE, yet according to Christian Bible Herod who died 10 years beforehand was still on the throne and talking. The same way as Negro slaves were beaten and taught the Christian belief do you think Egyptians did different to Jewish slaves? Moses was raised by the princess according to Christian doctrine.

  14. You obviously have not done your homework nor do you have any overstanding of reading what we now call hieroglyphs ..it’s sad to see apologist like yourself be so confused enthusiasm in what is cosmology and myth and can’t see it even in your Jesus myth

  15. This was an interesting read: I don’t think Horus is Jesus and I believe in and worship the God Horus, and the Goddess Isis and the God Osiris. I’m Pagan

  16. Unfortunately we live in an age where the person who provided sources is a liar. Although I don’t recall seeing this happen in real life yet it must be an internet thing. Great article but even after this people will still be sharing the latest meme that speaks of this issue.

  17. The thing that the people say about the Virgin birth is they really haven’t done much research in 1890 Dr spalanzani proved it possible by discovering artificial insemination if man can do it don’t you think God can? You people need to quit looking in the past n look at scientific proof

  18. This was very helpful. I read some history on Horus & could find little to demonstrate the similarities.
    I find it interesting that folks go to such lengths to prove or disprove the “facts” of faith. Faith isn’t about facts. Faith is connection to something meaningful that generates hope, compassion well being. Religion is an attempt to explain something that id primarily knowable by experience. Bible, & other religious texts, are stories if people’s encounter & being with God or the universe or whatever.
    While my particular understanding is Christian, I no longer feel the need to prove. Experience is better.

  19. I would like to know where you found the true facts about Horus, and others used to increase the strength of this myth
    I could only find the misleading ones, in fact these stories were used on a supposed Christian who gave because of the persuasive power of these myths along with other so called evidence

  20. Teddy, that’s a good question. Personally I think there are some similarities between the two myths, but not to the degree that Zeitgeist and the other sources claim. Certainly not enough to claim Jesus is a wholesale copy of Horus.

  21. That’s because jesus is not a wholesale copy of Horus.
    Jesus and Horus are both just myth from different cultures that are BOTH just an allegory for the SUN.

    There are just minor cultural differences but they are both the SUN

  22. you know whats real funny i dont see alot of nunyas posts and new people keep joining that makes me wonder if all these athiest are the same people or people from the same atheiest organization

  23. i can also tell nunyas approach is very rude and more then likely his posts are writin in anger using swear words and all sorts of things yet keeps comming back to the same post

  24. the approach the nunyabiz uses is very in your face and immature and him saying he has all these degrees and typing what he was typing does not sound like a person with many degrees. write all you want this will keep going on and on but ive seen true christans and god has proven his existance to me and ture christans are very nice people unlike nunyabiz which is rude and immature saying things like DILDO and other things. all i see is alot of talk and no back up throughout all whats been put on this thread by nunyabiz and numyabiz1.

  25. Thanks for proving you’re dumber than fuck.
    Yes, I am rude to complete imbeciles like yourself.

    Anyone that can not see that the 20 or so mythical sun gods are the same myth is beyond hope.
    and yes without the slightest doubt Jesus is just another version of the sun god myth.
    Your denial of this fact is meaningless.

  26. let me rephrase what i said earliler. in the beginning of this post i said nunya for a while was absent

  27. “i said nunya was a absent” i meant i should of said was “nunya was absent” without the i said part

  28. “Websites” prove nothing to anyone but the brainless.
    I can list a website that proves the Earth is flat and one that proves the moon landing was fake and one that proves climate change is a hoax.

    All completely meaningless drivel.

    All one needs to understand what I am saying is plain common sense and the ability to read.
    The bible itself is all the proof anyone sane needs.

    Jesus is the SUN
    And you’re an idiot

  29. AlexAnderson93:

    So here we are 8 years later and Les (the closest thing this world has ever seen to a god) has given me the opportunity to throw in what I think of this thread.

    What is important to realize is that this debate was never intended to include faith. It was simply created to compare and contrast two people, from two stories. Whether you believe the stories are the gospel truth or complete bullshit doesn’t matter. Unfortunately people’s egos and arrogance seemed to cloud things up.

    Props to OP. While I probably don’t agree with your faith, you presented a lot of good points and most importantly, you backed every one of them up with sources.

    Nuny on the other hand (who I understand has left SEB for good) provided nothing but his own rage fueled ‘knowledge.’

    When you compare two people, places, or events, in literature or history you must always use the most direct source to back up your claims. In this situation, every claim should have included a citation from either The Bible (for Jesus) of The Book of The Dead (for Horus).

    As an atheist it is easy to say that neither Jesus nor Horus were deities (or even existed for that matter). However, we could just as easily say that Hamlet and Simba never existed, but that hasn’t stopped countless English majors from comparing and contrasting their similarities.

    While I realize much of this community was founded around religious discussion, this thread was never intended to include that realm of debate. So get your shit together, get your pride in check, and let’s discuss things like adults.

    Also, while I realize Nuny will never see this, I want to make it known that I am disgusted by his behavior. While I agree with everything he said, he let his anger overpower his brain, and frankly just looked like an asshole. If you’ve read over 80 books on the subject, cite them. You twat.

  30. Nunyabiz: The bible itself is all the proof anyone sane needs.

    ra is in the deitiy the SUN god and Horus is the SON of Ra and The Father is not the SUN neither is the SON of god Jesus. Aten back then is sun in Egyptian language. I don’t know how you think Aten is Son. the word sun wasnt used back then. And since you think its all in the bible it says in the bible that Jesus is the Son of God not the Star the Sun but son.

    Matthew 16:16 says in kjv. And Simon Peter answered and said, thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

    Romans 8:31-32 31.What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? 32.He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

    John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

  31. Iam an asshole, and damn proud of it.
    Buy iam also 100% correct in everything I said.
    Fuck you.
    You’ve shown yourself to be an idiot and not worth any more responses.

  32. oh and this genesis 1:26-27 26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.” 27 So God created mankind in his own image,
    in the image of God he created them;
    male and female he created them.

    if we are made in the image of god how can the Sun be god?

    god is comprised of 3 people the father, the son (not sun), and holy spirit.

    Matthew 28:19
    Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
    Colossians 2: 8-9
    8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

    9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    Godhead means 3 in 1

  33. how am i a idiot your the one that said “The bible itself is all the proof anyone sane needs.” are you sane doesnt look like it. oh no looks like someone is eating their own words.

  34. I say Jesus and Horus is so far apart that you can’t compair them at all Jesus was called the Son of God.. Not the sun god Horus was ruler of Egypt …. . Jesus came to safe man kind not to rule over them.. . but you can make claims statements all you like 98% of you never picked up the Bible and read it …..so how can you know the story of Jesus ooooo I forgot the internet knows all please there is so many false things on internet that only narrow minded people will believe anything they read….but those of you that stand against Gods word or Jesus will stand in front of Him on the day of judgement and will have to explain yourself… This is just not me making a fight this is just my point of view…

  35. “Horus was the ruler of Egypt”

    I stopped reading right there, you’re an idiot without a clue

  36. nunya biz . How can you call me an idiot but you don’t know who i am. i might have had my words wrong but i do have a point .You are calling everyone and idiot but you are the biggest idiot of all like a baby with a wet nappy you don’t know nothing. I for one was never ugly to you never pointed out your name or anything i only commented what i believe You claim you are a 100% correct but cant give proof read the Bible and you will see Jesus WAS THE SON OF GOD not the sun god really … I’m not here to fight yet i do also have my opinion. But i do have two question What do you believe in? and what happens to you after death?

  37. This will be the only response you get from me.
    I have read the bible cover to cover and I absolutely guarantee that I understand it far better than you.
    Jesus is a myth just like all the other sun gods. I have researched this probably for longer than you have been alive.
    I believe in science and I know after we die there is nothing, you’re gone.

    I realize there is no hope for you as its clear your brainwashing has thoroughly taken over your life.

    Anyone that actually reads the bible and it doesn’t make them an atheist is hopeless and remain a delusional psychotic.
    You have my condolences.

  38. The Horus mythology developed over a period of 5,000 years, and as a result it can be a complex subject to tackle. But you don’t have to be an Egyptologist to answer all of these claims. You just need to know where to look for the answers—and to be aware of the claims’ flawed sources.

    Due to the mass of misinformation on the Internet and in print on this subject, it is important to respond to these claims using credible sources. Fortunately, there are many good books on Egypt and Egyptology in print. But there are also bad ones, so make sure to verify the author’s credentials before purchasing them.

    But the early Christians, even if they had wanted to base the Gospels on the Horus myths, would have had no way to do so. They might have known what was believed about Horus in the Egypt of their day, but they would have had no access to the endless variations of the stories that laid buried in the sands until archaeologists started digging them up in the 1800s

    heres the site http://www.strangenotions.com/horus-manure/

  39. Doesn’t matter, all the myths are based on the same thing.
    The SUN and other celestial nonsense.

    This is why you have 20 or so sun gods from around the globe with virtually the same story line even though these civilizations knew nothing of each other.

    Jesus is just one of many.

  40. nunya biz:
    nunya biz on 19 January, 2017 at 10:00 PM

    Websites” prove nothing to anyone but the brainless.
    I can list a website that proves the Earth is flat and one that proves the moon landing was fake and one that proves climate change is a hoax.

    All completely meaningless drivel.

    All one needs to understand what I am saying is plain common sense and the ability to read.

    in the beginning of this post nunyabiz same person uses sites to back up his work

    Nunyabiz on 10 January, 2005 at 6:11 PM

    Honestly, If you seriously want to discuss this subject first thing you need to do is pull your head out of those completely full of Bullshit Christian sites, you are never going to get any valid information from them.

    This a good place to start http://www.earth-history.com/Egypt/Bodead/bodead-06-eternal-life.htm

    A real non bias site that deals in nothing but tangible Archeological facts. Dig through this site you will find most of what I listed, although allot of what Iam saying is coming from about 30 years of researching this subject and hundreds of sources, most in my library downstairs.

    This site is OK for brief references to the Book of the Dead.

    Though this site has a bit of chaff its rather interesting also with some valid points of information.

    if you think that websites prove nothing then why do you list some to back up your statments? so you lied to us.

  41. let me correct a statment
    nunyabiz: Websites” prove nothing to anyone but the brainless.

    i meant to say: if you think that websites prove nothing to anyone but the brainless then why do you list them to back up your statments? i guess your calling yourself brainless.

  42. the difference between sites is very simple one that is credible will cite sources and the like many of those less than factual will not. even with that being said some go to great strides to prove a bogus theory or belief. when it comes to Horus and Jesus stories. theologians from around the world can not validate the existence of their god in over 1000 yrs of looking for physical proof it is after theory, nothing more. they can explain how hundreds of different civilizations from around the globe share very similar god stories in their totality yet claim jesus is legit. i have gone to church the better part of my life and i have done my own research. and modern theorists also admit when you take the bible and those books left out it is just another story like the 100’s of other god stories to control the people of the time. modern day thumpers cant explain why in the middle east they found gobecwi tempi i doubt i spelled that right but none the less it predates the Egyptians by 12000 yrs. yet they truly believe the planet is at a maximum 6000 yrs old. the whole stance of the churches is the bible nothing more. and good priest if there is even such a thing will tell you Christianity is faith based not fact the fact the bible is wrote by men proves it is just that. it isn’t even followed like it is wrote. man injects his own personal biases into his lessons to fit what he thinks is right. they will only use a small segment or line to validate a belief or point because if they were to read or say the whole section it would say and mean something totally different and many times contradict their personal belief. science real science every day proves god is fake and never was. religion was and always will be social slavery for the weak minded those who either don’t have the capacity to free think on their own or they are just gullible. what is going to happen when the age of Pisces ends and the dawn of Jesus is no more? who than will be your new false god? history has proven that gods are created when celestial changes happen ie the ages every 2000 yrs or so. are all of their stories from around the world lies? or did they just follow their ancestors and create the new god for the age as it was handed down. it is funny the sheep believe the holy spirit of god came down to earth and impregnated mary with jesus yet don’t believe in ghosts. there is a definition for what that is a poltergeist the physical manifestation of a spirit or entity. why is it the churches left some of the most important part written for the bible left out? because it did not fit the powers to bes beliefs. sheep will be sheep that is why religion is dieing in this country. more and more people are actually educating themselves and understanding the hypocrisy that is religion in the western world. the golden age of do as i say believe what i say is over people more than ever before are opening their eyes to the lie they have been spoon fed all their lives. must suck almost 2000ys of looking and not 1 physical piece of evidence he lived exists it is all theory and speculation. hell we have more physical proof of little green men than jesus.

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