True Believer blows away atheist to prove there is a God.

Brent over at Unscrewing The Inscrutable has a couple of entries asking asking the question: Anyone Doubt That Christianity Drives Some People Insane? The latest of these links to a news story that hits rather close to home for me. In fact, it takes place in the city of Taylor, Michigan which isn’t too far from where I live in Canton. It’s about a 49-year-old Eagle Scout who got into an argument with a 62-year-old atheist he knew about whether or not there is a God. Growing increasingly frustrated with the atheist’s refusal to accept the truth he was trying to present to him, the suspect went into another room and returned with a shotgun and a revolver which he pointed at the victim.

He tried once more to convince the victim to believe in God, but this time, he had the shotgun.

“How long would it take you to believe in God?” the suspect said he asked the victim.

“Not until I hear Gabriel blow his horn,” the victim allegedly replied, while tipping his hat.

That’s when the suspect shot him.

“I did it because he is evil; he was not a believer,” the suspect told police.

They say there are no atheists in foxholes. That in the face of death even the staunchest atheist will realize the truth deep down in his heart. Yet stories like this one show that isn’t the case at all. If I were like some Christians I’d probably be writing glowing praise for the victim for his willingness to be martyred in defense of his beliefs. I’d forward the news item around to all my friends and family as an example of how innocent atheists are being persecuted for no crime worse than trying to bring the truth to others. If the roles were reversed I’ve no doubts I’d receive several chain letters in my email of a similar nature before too long. I still get email over the fictional stand-off between a Christian girl and the two teens involved in the Columbine massacre. But the truth is I don’t think there’s much to be proud of in this event. The death of a fellow atheist who refused to recant his position even with a shotgun pointed to his face isn’t anything that swells the heart with pride among fellow non-believers. The whole situation to us is stupid and sad.

Brent entries do leave me a bit uneasy, though. While I agree with the idea that Christianity makes some people go over the edge, I think that’s true of just about anything. People who are mentally unstable have been pushed over the edge by all manner of things from books to songs to political ideology and I find it difficult to hold the catalyst responsible for the instability that was already present in the person. If it hadn’t been Christianity it might have been Grand Theft Auto or something else the person ended up fixating on instead. Granted, there’s much in Christianity that doesn’t help someone who’s unstable to get a better grip on reality, but again that can be said of many other catalysts. Someone who’s already nuts losing it big time because they’re wrapped up in their religious beliefs isn’t much of an indictment against those beliefs as much as an indicator of how nuts the person was.

43 thoughts on “True Believer blows away atheist to prove there is a God.

  1. That’s just fucking sad! Although it is the only way a believer can win that argument. Well, if you call going to prison for a long long time winning.

  2. Agreed—It is too sad but I must side with Les on this.  It could be anything to cause the unstable person to go over the edge.

  3. i couldn’t agree with you more.  religion isn’t the issue here, it’s the fact that that guy is mentally unstable.  religion was just an excuse.  sad deal.

  4. What a tragic story.  I would have to admit that if faced with the barrel of a shotgun I would profess belief in just about anything.

    While this person was obviously mentally unstable, his Christian beliefs served only to fuel the insanity.  Sure there have been other things that have caused people to flip out but none to the degree and the frequency of religion.

  5. I’m with you on this, too, Les.  There are, sadly, too many cases of nutcases out there to blame just on the Christians (or even the theists).

    I can certainly admire someone who felt strongly enough for his beliefs to not recant—whether or not he felt in personal danger.

  6. It isn’t religion that sends these folks over the edge, it is the insanity of True Belief. No matter if that belief is in God or Captain Kirk, True Belief is a psychosis of the most noxious sort. It’s worse than being in love (or hate)- although in some ways, it shares paramaters with it.

    The bottom line is that people in such a psychotic state cannot be reasoned with, and cannot see the consequences of their actions. They only see an ‘infidel’ of one sort or another, an ‘other’ which must be either converted or killed.

    Sunfell

  7. Hi Les, Momma, and all,

    I certainly respect your unease with my characterization of Christianity, but I would like to disagree. Sunfell’s take on it is closer to my own thoughts on the matter.

    I understand that as non-religious and atheist folks we would want to be very careful with generalizing about a group of people because we have that very thing done to us on a much-too-regular basis. However, I do believe that unlike a person who is fixated on Grand Theft Auto or Butterfly collecting or what have you, religion – especially fundamentalist sects within religions like Christianity and Islam – actual encourage and excuse the martyr and the “pious lunatic”. Again unlike a video game or some other unhealthy fixation or obsession, religion claims to have truth about reality. GTA cannot make any similar claim, and they do not canonize a butterfly collector who takes out a rival etymologist for the greater good of his fellow butterfly collectors.

    My point is that in many ways Christianity (and any other comparable fundamentalist religion that encourages the demonization of the unbeliever) is in fact the cause of religious insanity and psychosis, and not simply the enabler of an existing instability. I firmly believe that it creates instability, then excuses it’s excesses as “holy” and pious.

    How many “holy men” were simply insane?

    Well, that’s my take on it, in any case. I’d be willing to bet that cases of psychosis and serious disconnectedness with reality occur more often in people who are very religious, and not nearly as much in secular folks, but I could be wrong. I haven’t actually looked up any studies on it, and maybe my own biases are clouding my opinion. If so, then I’ll retract my opinion and publish another one that’s consistent with the facts.

    But I don’t think that I’ll have to, to be honest. It has always seemed very evident to me.

  8. It isn’t religion that sends these folks over the edge, it is the insanity of True Belief.

    …and True Belief is the whole point of religion for many people.  Of course there are a few crazy people who think religion is about mercy, kindness, compassion, and so forth but they keep getting locked up.

    Of course there are lots of ways to rationalize that True Belief and compassion are the same thing.  Like “Love the sinner and hate the sin,” a phrase which does not appear in the bible.

  9. I think that True Belief and compassion are actually polar opposites. Think about it: one has to break free of the psychosis of TB to see that ‘other’ or ‘infidel’ as a human being and feel compassion and kindness for them. Christ himself even advocated it. He pointed to the moon of lovingkindness- in fact, said ‘love thy neighbor as yourself’, but people didn’t catch that part. Like the finger pointing at the moon, they ignored the moon, and worshipped the finger pointing at it. They did not take Christ’s teachings to heart- instead they worshipped Christ.

    In my way of seeing things, there are no absolutes. Absolutes are physically impossible. But the attempt to create and maintain them within the human mind creates the seeds of insanity which engenders the psychosis of True Belief. When one attempts to cling to the impossible absolute, it destroys one’s sanity. Christ wanted people to let go of this absolutism. He advocated this numerous times. He even made bad examples of or condemned those True Believers who plagued him in his time. He called them hypocrites. He tried to warn us of this, but it was clear that his warnings went unheeded.

    Sunfell

  10. I wonder if all the trumpet players in the world would suddenly start beating up all the saxophone players… for not playing a true classical instrument.
    I kicked my next door neighbor’s ass the other day cos he told me he ate macaroni pasta, you don’t eat macaroni, you should eat spaghetti.
    I hate people who eat macaroni…They say it tastes different. I say that’s B.S.
    Notice that most people who think that they KNOW the truth often the word “should” as a tool to emphasize their image of people Who know the right way of all things.
    -You should get married.
    -You should get a car.
    -You should get your kid baptised !!!!
    -You should believe in what I believe or else…

    The ten commendments also uses that formula.

  11. Dude, that is sad…
    I am a teen aged Catholic, by the way. I think the story you told was another example of how some people don’t take life seriously. I don’t know anyone in their right mind who would harm another person for not believing in God these days…..

    Just remember, you can’t take this situation and use it against other Christians. The man who shot the victim was not a good example for others (the guy was freaking mad!!). The Church does not support murder, nor does it support violence. The murderer was not acting Christian at ALL!.

  12. I see Christian beliefs held as an indicator of degrading mental capacity. I think once you firmly believe in a character you’ve only read about but never met in the flesh (and no one else has either), you’re stretching the definition of sane.

    I think once you accept that this missing entity commanded you to try to convince others to believe in him, you’re straddling the line between sanity and insanity.

    I think once you believe this unviewable being told you to perceive someone else as an enemy of the faith or that this person deserves to be conquered or killed, you’re approaching megalomaniac status.

    Remember Bush’s infamous remark?

    “God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East.”

    I haven’t thought of this man as mentally healthy since I became aware he said this.

    I mean, yes, there are levels of delusion, but most mental illnesses have the same types of events as warning signs, yet they aren’t usually seen as indicators of a god being involved. Once you call it god-inspired, it suddenly should be beyond suspicion, not warranting clinical diagnosis… Or should it?

    I realize it’s hard to see those you love as unbalanced but sooner or later you have to accept that religion motivates people to do crazy things, then it provides amnesty.

  13. “…It isn’t religion that sends these folks over the edge, it is the insanity of True Belief…”

    Do you truly believe that?

    “…No matter if that belief is in God or Captain Kirk, True Belief is a psychosis of the most noxious sort…”

    Is that a true belief?

    “…The bottom line is that people in such a psychotic state cannot be reasoned with, and cannot see the consequences of their actions. They only see an ‘infidel’ of one sort or another, an ‘other’ which must be either converted or killed…”

    Another true belief?

    My point is, we all believe some things to be true. You seem to be ok with people who hold true beliefs that match yours. But those who hold true beliefs that cobtradict yours are psychotics.

    Quit being so self righteous. Have you never encountered an evangelical Atheist? Believe me, they are weird. Or perhaps you can’t recognise one when you one.

  14. Anyone notice anything odd about that story?
    Neither the name of the perp nor the name of the victim are given.
    It’s not linked to any original source.
    Searches of regional newspapers in Michigan turn up no related story.
    Web searchs turn up no related story.
    And the final line of the report:

    “…At the police station, the suspect commented that he believed there is a God.
    Then, looking at the floor, he seemed to have second thoughts: “Maybe there’s not,” he said….”

    Sounds more like the ending of a fictional short story than a police press statement.
    Hmmm…are we going to bite?

  15. Brock –
    You wrote:

    “…Remember Bush’s infamous remark?

    “God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East.

  16. Sunfell:
    You say:
    “…Think about it: one has to break free of the psychosis of T(rue) B(elief) to see that ‘other’ or ‘infidel’ as a human being and feel compassion and kindness for them….”

    Oh, really?
    So you’ve decided that it’s not possible for one to truly believe in something, and at the same time believe that those who oppose you are worthy of respect and tolerance?
    Think again. True belief and compassion sit very together. In fact, believeing in compassion IS a true belief.
    NOT having any beliefs is more likely to kill compassion.

    You say:
    “…They did not take Christ’s teachings to heart- instead they worshipped Christ…”
    Christ claimed to be God (object of worship) in the flesh, that’s why he was executed (blasphemy). Guess you didn’t catch that part.

    You say:
    “…In my way of seeing things, there are no absolutes…”

    You’ve just claimed an absolute.

    “…Absolutes are physically impossible…”

    You’re claiming another absolute. Ever heard of self-contradiction?

    For future reference, quit trying to deny absolutes, because the denial of an absolute is the claiming of another absolute. The best you can do is say you don’t know, or remain silent.  Even saying you don’t know is claiming a truth (an absolute).

    You say:
    “…But the attempt to create and maintain them (absolutes) within the human mind creates the seeds of insanity which engenders the psychosis of True Belief…”

    That’s a wild claim, since everything you have written here is the claiming of absolutes, including the statement above. Do you believe your above claim to to be true? If so, you’re claiming an abslolute. And a true belief. Do you not know whether it’s true? Then why are you presenting it as a truth?

    “…When one attempts to cling to the impossible absolute, it destroys one’s sanity…”
    Are you clinging to that absolute?

    You say:

    “…Christ wanted people to let go of this absolutism. He advocated this numerous times…”

    Where? In which book? According to who? Chapter, verse? Or did he tell you this in a dream?

    “…He even made bad examples of or condemned those True Believers who plagued him in his time..He called them hypocrites…”

    No, he called the Pharisees and Sadducees hypocrites, which was appropriate in that context. It had nothing to do with them having “True Beliefs”.

    “.. He tried to warn us of this, but it was clear that his warnings went unheeded…”

    He warned us to let go of absolutism?
    If he was saying that absolutism was wrong, he would have been stating an absolute. And heeding someone who tries to deny absolutes while stating absolutes would be dumb.

  17. Jon –  The quote comes from the Israeli newspaper Haaretz.

    According to Abbas, immediately thereafter Bush said: “God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them.”

  18. Jon’s been busy this evening, but is clearly confused on the meaning of a “true belief.”

    As for the news item not being real because he couldn’t find it in a Michigan newspaper, dude, I fucking linked to the Detroit Free Press article about it. But hey, if you insist, here’s another link to the local NBC affiliate’s news blurb on it.

  19. “…Jon’s been busy this evening, but is clearly confused on the meaning of a “true belief.

  20. Correction, I did see your “fucking” link, that was the one I quoted in my response, in case you didn’t notice. The one where I said the style at the end was like fiction.
    Thanks for the NBC link anyway.

  21. About the Bush quote – it’s one thing to be gullible but I just don’t buy it. This is classic internet hearsay.

    It was *apparently* reported by Abu Mazen (neutral source?) while he was meeting with Pelestinian militants (?), written down by an Abu Mazen assistant (n Arabic), somehow “acquired” by an Israeli newspaper, and then re-translated into English.

    Bush is very aware of the usual “religious nut” accusations, and he plays that card pretty carefully – as would have been noted in last night’s press conference.

    In the run-up to an election, there is simply no way that Bush would utter something as politically suicidal as “God told me to strike…” We would have never heard the end of it from the Kerry camp.

    By the way, both “Washington Post” (a blogger, not the Washington Post newspaper!) and Snopes effectively disclaim the quote by stating the following:
    “…Even then, there’s uncertainty. After all, this is Abu Mazen’s account in Arabic of what Bush said in English, written down by a note-taker in Arabic, then back into English.”

  22. About the NBC affiliate link to the murder in Taylor, it gives no hint of any motive, let alone a religious one.

    So all we have is a single source, a rather imaginative report written by a certain Joel Thurtell. I’ve contacted him to ask for the nature of his source (whether it’s third-party press release or direct police statement), we’ll see if he replies. Maybe it’s for real, maybe not.

    Am I too cynical about web-stories? i hope so. Where possible, it’s better to believe true things than false things.

  23. Jon, learn how to put it all in a comment or two, eh? We have two sources, both of them legitimate local news services and I should know because I live here. Now, you can accuse the Detroit Free Press of lying if you really want to, but unless you’ve got some basis for that accusation I’m going to consider you a dumbass. I’ve been reading them a lot longer then I’ve been reading you and so far they have a better track record.

    In the context that it was being used here a “True Believer” and a True Belief is a belief held regardless of what the facts or evidence happen to be. A True Belief and a belief that happens to be true are not necessarily the same things.

    And around here it’s a “fucking link” when it’s apparent that the person we’re responding to doesn’t recognize a newspaper link when he sees one.

  24. It actually looks like there are two true believers here – a true believer in the existence of god and a true believer in the non-existence of god. Both a little nuts in their own ways.

  25. One shot the other because of his true belief, that’s more than a “little nuts”, that’s fucking insane.

  26. The Bible and Koran are the only noteworthy writings that claim to be the inspired Word of God. If you investigate with an open mind and heart (and some humility) the truth will become clear.

    “The fool saith in his heart ‘There is no God.’ “
    (Proverbs)

    “I am the Way, the Truth and the Life” & “Before Abraham was, I AM.”
    (Jesus from the New Testament)

  27. Sorry, Wesley, you’ll have to do better than the ontological argument for the existence of god.  Kant showed that argument to be nothing more than a tautology. LOL

  28. warbi,

    That’s being generous to wesley.  He doesn’t even present an ontological argument.  Wesley’s post isn’t an argument at all, just an assertion that God exists and we should all embrace him.

    Side note though, Kant was in fact a Christian, he was a devout pietist despite the fact that he supported himself when he was a student by being a card and billiards hustler.

  29. The Bible and Koran are the only noteworthy writings that claim to be the inspired Word of God

    Wesley, you’re forgetting the Book of Smee:
    “This is the Inspired Word of God. I say so, and Bob over there says so, so that makes it noteworthy. Jesus and Mohammed are full of beans.”
    (Smee, from the Real Skinny)

  30. Why do these people keep insisting on smugly spouting Bible versus as though it should mean anything to non-believers?

  31. “Whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.”
    Matthew 5:22

    Heh. Bible quotes are so damned fun. And mine’s a Matthew quote, not a silly, allegorical Psalms poem. Obviously mine carries more weight. smile

  32. Love idea of the post.

    The fact is the reason the man killed him is that old equasion, if you do evil, God will set you aside for evil. Christianity drives people crazy for one reason and one reason only. God sent Jesus as a punisher the of the sinners.

    Luke 12:49 “I have come to cast fire upon the earth; and how I wish it were already kindled!…..

    Jesus is actually pronounced Hesus. In Hebrew this menas horse. Prophets predcited a punisher horse would come. John the baptists said this about the coming of Jesus.

    Luke 3:17 & Matthew 3:12
    “His winnowing fork is in His hand to thoroughly clear His threshing floor, and to gather the wheat into His barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”

    Chaff is evil people. Including those that have made a god out of Jesus. See Deut 13.

  33. Jesus is actually pronounced Hesus. In Hebrew this menas horse. Prophets predcited a punisher horse would come.

    Hey, in voodoo the loas are said to possess people and ride them as horses.  Does this mean that Jesus was possessed by a loa?  I sure hope it was one of the nicer ones….

  34. “Hey, in voodoo the loas are said to possess people and ride them as horses.  “

    We must look at Jesus (Yehoshua) as a common Jewish man up until the point he was struck by lightning in the land of the dead. (according to the new testament). At that time he stated that the holy spirit fell from the sky. We also have Jesus attesting to the fact that he saw Satan fall from the sky in a lightning bolt. Satan fell to earth at the same time period. So why would Jesus say get behind me Satan, if in fact satan was on the ground and running. Was this angel Satan one of many holy spirits (angels), the one that allowed miracles for Jesus?

    This is exactly what revelation predicts.

    One must understand that Satan does God’s bidding and if God sent him down and everyone was saying they Jesus was here to plant the seeds of war, divisiion, burn up chaf, and only with the fallen Jew, it becomes clear God was putting into effect the curses. Do we know of a movement that burnt up the Jews under the cry Chist Killers?

    As it goes the possession is an intergral part of many church rituals as they ask the spirit to enter them and talk through them.

    This is different than Moses who had the spirit lay on him, not enter him. It is forbidden to let spirits enter you according to the old testament.

    Jesus was accused in his day by a young lad of working for Satan. To this he replied how can a house divided stand. If you read the curses, you will understand that a divided house not only can stand but is promoted under the curses.

    Jesus administered the test of Deut 13 and anyone that passed his questions was sent away, any that failed he had follow him. This is why there is counterdiction in what he stated. Fisherman of men.

    One need only look at the FBI profile of mass murderers to see how many state they are (Hasus)Jesus. Listen to the news and people will say they were possessed. The signatures are all over their weird crimes. Touched in the head the same way God touched the pharoh in the head. Signs and wonders. In everything from hitler to columbine you will see the mark that is the same mark draw with water on a babies forehead. The swastika is sandscrit for a crucifix.

    What if God is really telling them to do it because he is angry? The same God that wipe out entire worlds. Scary!

  35. I wanted to add someting I forgot to mention. Jesus receieved his power to do miracles from the spirit that entered him in the lightning bolt.

    Ever see the new version of War of the worlds? That is what is written in this book caled the new testament. Ridding the lightning.

    By the way, the new testament shows it is a trick and has many ironic almost insulting statements in it. It quotes past tense passages of Isaiah as prophecy, pslams which is not prophecy and many other laughable things.

    Even in its theology, you can see it is an intentional humilitaion of the fallen. For instance, giving up wealth is a good thing, befriending your enemies (they will harm them for sure) and ingoring your family, turn the other cheek so it can be hit again, if your found guilty in court dont pay what the righteous judge states, pay more., etc., etc.

    What they fear the most, they eat for breakfast. Jesus told them to ilegally cross the street in the same breath he stated the laws will stand. He wanted them to get busted for violations. Jesus selected bumbling fools as disciples, exactly as the curses of moses stated.

    Jesus even said he was not the Messiah multiple times.

    Try this on the next born again who approaches you. Ask them to witness for you. They will begin to spill their guts out about how evil they were and all the curses that befell them of recent.  Then ask them a second question, when did all your problems begin. Let them answer this question. Lastly ask them when they really turned to Jesus. It will be the same time.

    This is proof the “real” god exists. He is funny and brutal to fools and enemies. He hides himself from those he hates, thats why so many can say he does not exist. They need only look around to see mathmatical probablity is being manipulted to paint a picture that is our reality. Our matrix.

  36. Well that’s certainly a novel take on the Jesus mythology.

    Personally I think you could use some medication. And if you’re already on medication then up the dosage.

  37. “Jesus, it’s just like he’s possessed by Martians.”

    Oddly enough, that’s not even close to the strangest stupid religion argument we’ve heard around here.

  38. Jesus just got baptised by John. John said this about the coming of Jesus to the people he was baptising:

    Matthew 3:12
    “His winnowing fork is in His hand to thoroughly clear His threshing floor, and to gather the wheat into His barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”

    In the next verse of Matthew, Jesus arrives. It is the same scene as Mark.

    Mark 1:10 And forthwith coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens open and the Spirit as a dove descending and remaining on him.

    It describes a scene that reminds me of the movie War of the Worlds, sky opens up and a light form comes down to earth with a being in it.

    Here is a another passage about lightning type beings

    Matthew 28:2
    And behold, a severe earthquake had occurred, for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven and came and rolled away the stone and sat upon it. And his appearance was like lightning, and his clothing as white as snow.

    Again an earthquake was what we saw in the movie. super human strength to move that stone alone.

    He sure as shit is not from Georgia. What do you call a being who doesn’t live on earth? Not a martian but a what? An alien lifeform, thats right claimed scientists.

    Right after Jesus gets his new found power, he is driven by the spirit (possesed I say) and is suddenly chatting it up with Satan. Did Moses speak to the devil of just God? It’s backwards, no?

    So the messiah that beats weapons into plowshares, shows up and instead of peace promises the following for the Jews?

    Matthew 10:21 And brother will give up brother to death, and the father his child: and children will go against their fathers and mothers, and put them to death.

    think again, it doesnt’t fit prophecy, does it?

    Luke 12:51 Is it your opinion that I have come to give peace on earth? (they fasley think he is the messiah who brings peace) I say to you, No, but division For from this time, a family of five in one house will be on opposite sides, three against two and two against three. They will be at war, the father against his son, and the son against his father; mother against daughter, and daughter against mother; mother-in-law against daughter-in-law, and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.


    If a miracle man showed up in your neighborhood with all these light beings dropping all around, falling from the sky including Satan, started ordering around demons who call him the tormentor, and said he was there to bring war and burn up sinners would you build a religion claiming he was about peace and worship this man a god?

    Or would you, as one of these Jews who belong to the religion, point to Deuteronmy 13 as a likley explanation or the Horse punisher prophecies?

    Luke 8:32
    Now a large herd of pigs was grazing there on the hillside. So the demons begged Jesus to let them go into those pigs, and he consented to that.

    Did Moses drive out demons?

    The people who followed Jesus were fallen sinners. In other words they did not know the text of the old testament nor the curses some likely hardened criminals. But there was someone who did understand the Old Testament that stated the following:

    Matthew 12:24
    But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “This man drives out demons only by Beelzebul, the ruler of the demons.”

    So yes, if these were not existing writings I would have one amazing imagination, but I only suffer from good reading comprehension.

    Jesus states he is not the messiah. So who is he? Deut 13. A man given the power to do miracles for the singular purpose of testing us lowly humans.

    Those that failed get a mind virus that brings war and causes people to behave subhuman. Burn up people in furnaces and such.

    Matthew 24:5 Many will come using my name. They will say, I am the Messiah,  and they will deceive many people.

    Sounds like revelation again. What they fear most is what they cling too. A great humiliation as Moses predicted.

    Luke 10:18
    And He said to them, “I was watching Satan fall from heaven like lightning.

    Not my crazy words, but the claimed foundation of the do gooders who seem to be very cursed when observed without blinders that make excuses for their incositancies. Watch the news, this crazy bible thumper shit is not normal and within natures logic.

    Moses states if you have more than one God you get a who bunch of curses including insanity.
    Curses such as children getting fat and turning evil. Mothers killing off the babies from between their legs. (abortions) Wives turning selfish against their spouses (divorce for greed). Your money taken from you and given to your enemies. Your enemies promoted higher as you sink lower.

    Most regretfully, war, war and more war. The US is becomeing a nation fed by the procedes of building and using weaponry while China now makes houshold items.

    People will cry peace peace but there shall be no peace ecxept that the one in power gives it. That being is the real God.

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