Conversations with a dumbass, part deux.

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Yes kids, it’s time for another conversation with a dumbass.  We’ve done this before via email, but this time our medium is AOL’s Instant Messenger. Fair warning, this is rather lengthy as we must have covered the better part of a couple of hours in this exchange. Our dumbass goes by the screen name of MrJiggyFly62 for whom English is apparently not his first language. He starts off with the tough questions right away:

MrJiggyFly62:

wat make you belive there isnt a god if you dont mind me asking

MrJiggyFly62:

if you dont mind me asking

StupEvilBst:

Lack of personal experience for the most part, but also an in-depth knowledge of religions and religious history.

StupEvilBst:

Not a problem.

MrJiggyFly62:

oh

MrJiggyFly62:

so, you bilve there isnt a god because of the coinsistency of conflictions with religions

MrJiggyFly62:

*con

StupEvilBst:

That’s only part of the problem.

MrJiggyFly62:

hmm

MrJiggyFly62:

so wat created earth

MrJiggyFly62:

ah-huh

MrJiggyFly62:

see

StupEvilBst:

The real problem is that, on close reflection, I can’t say that I’ve ever seen anything that would indicate a God(s) presence in my life.

StupEvilBst:

What created the Earth? A very natural and understood process.

MrJiggyFly62:

the big bang theryt

MrJiggyFly62:

(theory]

StupEvilBst:

What about it?

MrJiggyFly62:

so what created that

MrJiggyFly62:

and the ext seeries of repetitivee questiuons

StupEvilBst:

What created the Big Bang?

MrJiggyFly62:

and ull see there is somthing there

MrJiggyFly62:

no, wat created the polanets

MrJiggyFly62:

and so forth

StupEvilBst:

The planets were created by a natural process. Gravity and matter and energy. All it takes.

MrJiggyFly62:

and the phisacal aspect

StupEvilBst:

That would be the “matter” part.

MrJiggyFly62:

thats the big part

MrJiggyFly62:

oh

MrJiggyFly62:

i missed that in my rading

MrJiggyFly62:

*reading

MrJiggyFly62:

well watabout the matter

StupEvilBst:

What about it?

MrJiggyFly62:

who’s doing was that’

MrJiggyFly62:

youull have tp apprise me of that

MrJiggyFly62:

for you seee, somthing had to create that matter

StupEvilBst:

Matter is just another form of energy.

MrJiggyFly62:

ok, which leads me back to my repetitive question, what created the energy, or what created what created the energy

StupEvilBst:

Nothing did.

StupEvilBst:

It’s always been there.

MrJiggyFly62:

hwo is that possible nothing jus had always been ther

StupEvilBst:

It wasn’t nothing.

MrJiggyFly62:

somthibg change

MrJiggyFly62:

thats not possible

StupEvilBst:

Sure it is.

StupEvilBst:

Energy can’t be destroyed, it can only change form.

StupEvilBst:

If it can’t be destroyed then it must have always existed.

StupEvilBst:

Simple logic.

As I am soon to discover, simple logic is not Mr.JiggyFly62’s strong point.

MrJiggyFly62:

it wasnt it just contiues

MrJiggyFly62:

and how

MrJiggyFly62:

wat makes it continues

StupEvilBst:

The expansion of the universe makes it continue.

MrJiggyFly62:

u see, nothing is always there thoughy

MrJiggyFly62:

it kant be

MrJiggyFly62:

nothing is always there

StupEvilBst:

What do you mean nothing is always there?

MrJiggyFly62:

somthing had to genereate power

MrJiggyFly62:

and wat could that have been

StupEvilBst:

Generate power?

MrJiggyFly62:

energy

StupEvilBst:

There’s a difference between power and energy.

MrJiggyFly62:

well, i rephrase myself to energyu

StupEvilBst:

I told you, energy can’t be destroyed. This is a fundamental law of physics. It can only change form.

MrJiggyFly62:

You see, i have not yet taken physics but a mere earth science

StupEvilBst:

Well, once you get into physics a lot of this will become clearer.

MrJiggyFly62:

but i belive you are looking at the whole idea of things in a way tp phisacal manner

StupEvilBst:

You’ve been asking me questions about physical things.

MrJiggyFly62:

i know, but you are takinbg the questionas to litterally

MrJiggyFly62:

you are saying

MrJiggyFly62:

that somthing has exsisted eternally

MrJiggyFly62:

which i cannot belive

StupEvilBst:

Do you believe in God?

MrJiggyFly62:

um, i do

StupEvilBst:

Do you believe he has existed eternally?

MrJiggyFly62:

i belive taht people can shange and that things happen for a reason

MrJiggyFly62:

that wat my questiopnis

MrJiggyFly62:

how

StupEvilBst:

Do you believe God has existed for eternity?

MrJiggyFly62:

that the question people have been trying to answer forever, people have always asked themselvess that

MrJiggyFly62:

and iu have to say

MrJiggyFly62:

there is no way anyperson can have response to taht question

StupEvilBst:

Sure there is.

StupEvilBst:

It all depends on what you believe God happens to be.

StupEvilBst:

Either you believe he’s always existed, thus eternally, thus you shouldn’t have a problem with the concept I gave of energy. Or…

MrJiggyFly62:

it is not somthing a human can generate bythemselves

StupEvilBst:

You believe he came into existence at some point, and is thus limited.

StupEvilBst:

What is?

MrJiggyFly62:

an answer to your qustion

MrJiggyFly62:

have i belived that god has exsited forever

StupEvilBst:

It’s a simple question. Yes or no will do.

StupEvilBst:

I’d even accept a Maybe.

MrJiggyFly62:

i dont know i dont have the knowledge of taht, no one does

MrJiggyFly62:

that is why there is religion

StupEvilBst:

A lot of people claim to.

StupEvilBst:

Christians think God has always existed and always will.

StupEvilBst:

So do Mulslims.

StupEvilBst:

And most of the major world religions.

Here we start to run into one of the basic problems Mr.JiggyFly62 seems to have, namely an inability to answer a simple yes or no question about what he thinks the nature of God is. It just gets worse from here.

MrJiggyFly62:

so who are humans to claim they know the answer to the eternal questions

MrJiggyFly62:

nobdy doe

StupEvilBst:

Who else is there to lay claim to them?

MrJiggyFly62:

that what my point was

MrJiggyFly62:

nobady

StupEvilBst:

Then why are you asking at all?

MrJiggyFly62:

no person can aquire that answer

StupEvilBst:

So you believe.

MrJiggyFly62:

im saying there is a god

StupEvilBst:

Why?

MrJiggyFly62:

and i was wondering why you werent in belife of god

StupEvilBst:

Why do you believe there is a God?

StupEvilBst:

You’re not even sure what God is it sounds like.

MrJiggyFly62:

because ther is no answer taht can justify the cration of that “energy”

MrJiggyFly62:

god- god to me is’

StupEvilBst:

You’ve basically said: I don’t know whether God has always existed or not and I don’t think anyone can answer that question, but I believe he exists.

StupEvilBst:

Just because you don’t know the answer doesn’t mean the answer has to be supernatural.

MrJiggyFly62:

wate asecond i dont know wether he has existed eternally

StupEvilBst:

If you accept the possibility that God could possibly not exist, then how do you know he currently does?

MrJiggyFly62:

i am not sure ofd the answer to the quesion you have provided je wityh

MrJiggyFly62:

taht all

MrJiggyFly62:

wate, taht remark was reffering to the presiou question if god has exideted eteranlly or not

StupEvilBst:

What if God popped into existence by some unknown process, snapped his fingers and created the universe and then, two days later, he died. The universe continues, but God doesn’t exist any longer. Based on what you’ve said you have to accept this as a possibility.

MrJiggyFly62:

yes, i suppose, but what you are saying is not how i feel

MrJiggyFly62:

i am jewish

StupEvilBst:

What does being Jewish have to do with it?

MrJiggyFly62:

i was just providing you with my religionm

StupEvilBst:

And how do you know that what you feel is actually true?

StupEvilBst:

Is it true because you feel it? Or do you feel it cause you want it to be true?

MrJiggyFly62:

because i have spoke to a rabbi

StupEvilBst:

So?

MrJiggyFly62:

and he has made me belive

MrJiggyFly62:

belive taht tehre is a god

StupEvilBst:

You just told me that no man can have all the answers. Why should you accept his?

MrJiggyFly62:

he never said if he

MrJiggyFly62:

existed eternally

MrJiggyFly62:

because i ahve not asked him

MrJiggyFly62:

he has made me bilve there was a god

StupEvilBst:

Why don’t you try asking him? If you’re Jewish then presumably you’ve read the Torah.

MrJiggyFly62:

because

StupEvilBst:

The Torah states that God has always existed.

MrJiggyFly62:

wate

MrJiggyFly62:

wat

MrJiggyFly62:

i have not read the torah

StupEvilBst:

Why not?

MrJiggyFly62:

you cant make an asumption like taht

MrJiggyFly62:

not every jew must read the torah’

MrJiggyFly62:

you are supposed= to

StupEvilBst:

I said it was presumable. Most religious people study their religious documents. I didn’t say it was a given.

MrJiggyFly62:

but i have not

MrJiggyFly62:

ok

StupEvilBst:

If you have not, then why do you believe?

StupEvilBst:

Cause of the claims of one man?

MrJiggyFly62:

not quite the way you have stated it

StupEvilBst:

You said he made you believe.

MrJiggyFly62:

hwo can i be so wrong to have religioon if 99.99 percent of the world does

StupEvilBst:

He must be one very good persuader.

MrJiggyFly62:

he made me bielive there was a god

StupEvilBst:

You think that the popularity of an idea makes it true?

MrJiggyFly62:

i belive that if there is enofh people that belive in somthing that mde the rest of the world belive in it how bad can it be

StupEvilBst:

Depends on what it is.

Things start to get a little confusing at this point as it becomes clear our friend doesn’t have a clue why he accepts any particular idea while rejecting other ideas.

StupEvilBst:

Let’s get back to a simple question:

StupEvilBst:

Why do you believe God exists?

MrJiggyFly62:

im saying wherre there is a high number of peope if you woudl like me to correct myself

MrJiggyFly62:

plus taht the middle easty

MrJiggyFly62:

plese

StupEvilBst:

Not sure what difference that makes.

MrJiggyFly62:

first

StupEvilBst:

Again, why do you believe in God?

MrJiggyFly62:

there are limited number of peoppe in the middle easr

StupEvilBst:

Forget the middle east. It makes no difference to the question I’m asking.

StupEvilBst:

Why do you believe in God?

MrJiggyFly62:

and if you wouild allow me to restate my fact, that 99.9 percent of the *****population still belives in a form of god by CHOICE

MrJiggyFly62:

godf

StupEvilBst:

That’s irrelevent to the question I’m asking.

StupEvilBst:

Why do YOU believe in God?

MrJiggyFly62:

i belive there is a god

MrJiggyFly62:

because

StupEvilBst:

Why?

MrJiggyFly62:

i still have unexplaied questions, or shoudl i say answers that can only be explained by the unexplainable

MrJiggyFly62:

and i belive that the unexplainable is god

StupEvilBst:

Why?

MrJiggyFly62:

why?

MrJiggyFly62:

theat the unexplainable questiopn

MrJiggyFly62:

aha’

StupEvilBst:

Yes, why is the unexplainable God?

MrJiggyFly62:

becasue it is not explaiable on this earth

StupEvilBst:

How do you know?

MrJiggyFly62:

and the person must be god

StupEvilBst:

Why must it be God?

MrJiggyFly62:

why msunt it be gd

StupEvilBst:

I didn’t say it must not be God, I’m asking you why it must be God.

MrJiggyFly62:

thats all im trying to say

StupEvilBst:

There are more possibilities than that.

MrJiggyFly62:

you did though

MrJiggyFly62:

that why you said you dont belive in god

MrJiggyFly62:

exactly why i am proving my pointy

StupEvilBst:

That’s my belief, but that doesn’t mean it’s the only possibility.

MrJiggyFly62:

but your trying to prove your pointy

StupEvilBst:

So you’re basically using the Argument from Ignorance.

MrJiggyFly62:

that you dpont belive in god

StupEvilBst:

No, I’m trying to establish why you DO believe in God.

StupEvilBst:

To see if the reasoning is solid.

StupEvilBst:

Your assumption is that anything that can’t be explained must be proof of God.

MrJiggyFly62:

from this any person with inetligence can draw a conclusion that you belive there is no god

StupEvilBst:

What difference does it make what my belief is?

StupEvilBst:

Even if I believed in God, it wouldn’t be for the same reasons YOU do.

MrJiggyFly62:

“I didn’t say it must not be God”

MrJiggyFly62:

wat was that?

StupEvilBst:

Read it again.

MrJiggyFly62:

im one in ten

MrJiggyFly62:

ahah

MrJiggyFly62:

but u did

StupEvilBst:

I did what?

MrJiggyFly62:

I didn’t say it must not be God

StupEvilBst:

I didn’t say you did either.

MrJiggyFly62:

so wat does that state ment mean

StupEvilBst:

I said your assumption is that anything that can’t be explained must be God.

MrJiggyFly62:

I didn’t say it must not be God

MrJiggyFly62:

yes

StupEvilBst:

Why?

MrJiggyFly62:

that is the buiding blockks of society

MrJiggyFly62:

sorry, religon

StupEvilBst:

That answer makes no sense at all.

MrJiggyFly62:

im tires

MrJiggyFly62:

tired’

MrJiggyFly62:

w\

MrJiggyFly62:

wate

MrJiggyFly62:

lemme restate wat i said

StupEvilBst:

Are you saying there can’t be any other possiblities you hadn’t considered?

MrJiggyFly62:

yes

MrJiggyFly62:

that tehre is no unexplainable

StupEvilBst:

So you know everything there is to know?

MrJiggyFly62:

that there is unexplainable

MrJiggyFly62:

not quiet

MrJiggyFly62:

that wat religion s

StupEvilBst:

Unexplainable doesn’t equal proof of God. Just means we don’t know.

MrJiggyFly62:

the belife of religio is

MrJiggyFly62:

taht it

StupEvilBst:

We USED to believe that disease was caused by demons.

MrJiggyFly62:

kingd iod

MrJiggyFly62:

*kind of

StupEvilBst:

Now we know disease is caused by viruses.

MrJiggyFly62:

well that was wen we pu leaches on cuts

MrJiggyFly62:

aha’

StupEvilBst:

It’s a mistake to attribute the unknown to supernatural forces by default.

MrJiggyFly62:

today we have better society adn we never belived taht in istreal

MrJiggyFly62:

thaty belived that in the middle ages

StupEvilBst:

Right.

MrJiggyFly62:

of europe’

StupEvilBst:

But you’re using the same logic right here and now.

StupEvilBst:

You’re using the same argument from ignorance.

MrJiggyFly62:

no, im not, your saying i am

MrJiggyFly62:

explain

StupEvilBst:

Bascially you’re saying “I’m clueless so anything I don’t know must be God.”

MrJiggyFly62:

you cant quiote that

MrJiggyFly62:

*quote

StupEvilBst:

You just said the existence of the unexplanable is proof of God.

MrJiggyFly62:

in my eyes

MrJiggyFly62:

wate

MrJiggyFly62:

to a degree

MrJiggyFly62:

yes

MrJiggyFly62:

i belive taht theory

StupEvilBst:

Which is the same stupid logic the middle ages people used when assuming that diseases were caused by demon possession.

MrJiggyFly62:

to a degere

MrJiggyFly62:

um

StupEvilBst:

They didn’t KNOW about viruses and bacteria. So they ASSUMED it was supernatural.

MrJiggyFly62:

yes

StupEvilBst:

It wasn’t.

MrJiggyFly62:

but a virus and basterian is not how the world was created

StupEvilBst:

Just as the unexplainable now doesn’t prove anything other than we don’t know.

MrJiggyFly62:

lol

StupEvilBst:

That statement made no sense.

MrJiggyFly62:

no, you are misinterperteing everything i say

StupEvilBst:

Or perhaps you’re not saying what you mean.

From here the discussion moved into a phase where I tried to explain to our young friend that there is a difference between accepting the possibility of something and believing that possibility is true.

MrJiggyFly62:

you said that you belive thre coould be agod, yet you belive there isnt, a little confusing, huH?

MrJiggyFly62:

its somwhat conflicting

StupEvilBst:

I said it’s a possibility, but I don’t believe that possibility is true.

StupEvilBst:

Not conflicting at all.

MrJiggyFly62:

how is wat yiu said not conflicting

StupEvilBst:

It’s a POSSIBILITY that you could be a woman. But I don’t believe that possibility is true.

StupEvilBst:

I’m either right and you are not a woman, or I am wrong and you are.

MrJiggyFly62:

there is a possibnlilty of god, but there isnt becaus i dont belive it

StupEvilBst:

That is not what I said.

MrJiggyFly62:

u see what i am seeing

MrJiggyFly62:

you are athiest?

StupEvilBst:

I said it’s possible there is a God, but I don’t believe that possibility is true. Either I am right and God doesn’t exist, or I am wrong and he does.

StupEvilBst:

Yes, I am an atheist.

MrJiggyFly62:

ok

StupEvilBst:

It’s no different than the statement I made about you being a woman.

MrJiggyFly62:

there you go, if you are athiest, you belive there is no god

StupEvilBst:

I just said I don’t believe that possibility is true. Not sure what your point is.

MrJiggyFly62:

inwhich case hwo could you belive possibilty of god

StupEvilBst:

The same way I can believe it’s possible you COULD be a woman.

MrJiggyFly62:

you say you dont belive in him, yet there is a possibilty

StupEvilBst:

This isn’t difficult logic.

MrJiggyFly62:

ok

StupEvilBst:

Yes, I don’t believe in him, but that doesn’t mean it’s impossible.

MrJiggyFly62:

well, if you belive there is a possibilty of god, that makes me happy

StupEvilBst:

Why?

MrJiggyFly62:

it judt does

StupEvilBst:

Why?

MrJiggyFly62:

why cant it

StupEvilBst:

It doesn’t offer any hope to you.

MrJiggyFly62:

why do i like looking at giryls

MrJiggyFly62:

i jus do

MrJiggyFly62:

i dont knoi why

StupEvilBst:

No, you have reasons for why you like looking at girls.

StupEvilBst:

Perhaps you’re a lesbian.

MrJiggyFly62:

ahah

MrJiggyFly62:

good point

StupEvilBst:

It’s a possibility.

I thought it was interesting that he considered a sarcastic comment about him possibly being a Lesbian was a good point. I changed tact at this point to see if I could manage to get him to understand the difference between accepting the possibility something might exist as opposed to believing it does. It didn’t work.

StupEvilBst:

So, why do you believe there is a God?

MrJiggyFly62:

i belive tht i like the fact that you belive there is a posibilty of god because i rsspect your opinion t

MrJiggyFly62:

to a degree

StupEvilBst:

If you say so, but I still don’t see why that should matter when I don’t believe that possibility is true.

MrJiggyFly62:

its 100 % not tue?

StupEvilBst:

What is 100% not true? Something either is true or it is not.

StupEvilBst:

It’s not like you can say it’s only 50% true that God exists.

MrJiggyFly62:

well, are you supporting that the possibilty of god is not possible at all?

MrJiggyFly62:

tor not?

StupEvilBst:

I didn’t say God is impossible. I said I don’t believe his existence is true.

MrJiggyFly62:

just to note

StupEvilBst:

This is a very clear difference.

MrJiggyFly62:

ok, just to clear that up

MrJiggyFly62:

my dad dint pay the vison so i cant see taht well

MrJiggyFly62:

ahah’

StupEvilBst:

I can accept the possibility that you are abducted by aliens nightly and given an anal probe, but I don’t believe that it truly happens to you.

StupEvilBst:

Admitting it’s possible is not the same as saying it’s true.

MrJiggyFly62:

Ok

StupEvilBst:

Again, I can sum up my stance in two sentences.

MrJiggyFly62:

well at least you aknowleged that god is possible exisiting

StupEvilBst:

What difference does it make if I think it’s possible?

MrJiggyFly62:

and that you think you know wat god is since you use the word

StupEvilBst:

I think a lot of things are possible.

MrJiggyFly62:

opk

MrJiggyFly62:

good for you

MrJiggyFly62:

this is good debate prctice for school

StupEvilBst:

I don’t know what God is cause I don’t believe he exists.

StupEvilBst:

I’m using your word for your concept.

MrJiggyFly62:

but you use the word god sayin you belive there si a posiblity he existis

StupEvilBst:

So what?

StupEvilBst:

Do you know what an arctomys monax is?

MrJiggyFly62:

i see that you beliveit is a he

StupEvilBst:

Do you know what an arctomys monax is?

MrJiggyFly62:

no, i dot belive it is a word

MrJiggyFly62:

aha

MrJiggyFly62:

wat is it

StupEvilBst:

I believe it’s possible that an arctomys monax exists.

MrJiggyFly62:

  I don’t know what God is cause I don’t believe he exists.

StupEvilBst:

Do you accept that it’s possible?

MrJiggyFly62:

you described god as he yet you dont what wat gad id

MrJiggyFly62:

*god *is

StupEvilBst:

You’re not answering my question.

MrJiggyFly62:

comon now

StupEvilBst:

Do you accept the possibility that something exists somewhere that would be called arctomys monax?

MrJiggyFly62:

i have no idea, i have no answer to your question

MrJiggyFly62:

i cant answe taht’

StupEvilBst:

It’s a yes or no question. You either accept the possibility or you don’t.

MrJiggyFly62:

i cant answer since i dont know

StupEvilBst:

I didn’t ask if you KNEW I asked if you accepted the POSSIBILITY.

StupEvilBst:

Yes you can.

MrJiggyFly62:

wat arctomys monax is

StupEvilBst:

What it is is irrelevant to the question.

MrJiggyFly62:

all i know is you described god as “he”

StupEvilBst:

Answer the question.

MrJiggyFly62:

so you must vaguely understand wat god is

MrJiggyFly62:

lol

MrJiggyFly62:

how can i answer taht

StupEvilBst:

Either answer the question, or we are done.

StupEvilBst:

You answer it either Yes. Or No

MrJiggyFly62:

you might as well ask me in spanish

StupEvilBst:

OK, I guess we’re done then.

MrJiggyFly62:

im sorry you feel that way, since i donty understandwht the questioin is

StupEvilBst:

The question is very simple.

StupEvilBst:

Do you accept the possibility that an arctomys monax might exist somewhere?

StupEvilBst:

Yes or no?

StupEvilBst:

OK. Have a good night then.
Session Close (MrJiggyFly62): Sat Apr 17 00:13:56 2004

And I ended the session thinking we were done. We weren’t…

Session Start (AIM –

StupEvilBst:

MrJiggyFly62): Sat Apr 17 00:13:57 2004

MrJiggyFly62:

arctomys monax=?

MrJiggyFly62:

arctomys monax=god

StupEvilBst:

Answer the question.

MrJiggyFly62:

if arctomys monax si your way of sying god

MrJiggyFly62:

in you language

MrJiggyFly62:

yes, i belive god exists

StupEvilBst:

What an arctomys monax is is unimportant to the question.

StupEvilBst:

And no, it’s not my word for God.

MrJiggyFly62:

ok, tyhen essentiall you are asking me,do you belive blnk exists’

StupEvilBst:

No, I’m asking you if you accept the POSSIBILITY that SOMETHING called arctomys monax MIGHT exist SOMEWHERE.

StupEvilBst:

I’m not asking if you BELIEVE it exists.

StupEvilBst:

Just if you accept that it MIGHT BE POSSIBLE.

MrJiggyFly62:

I MUST KNOW WHAT IT IS BEFORE I CAN ANSWER

StupEvilBst:

No, you don’t have to know.

StupEvilBst:

I can answer the question. Yes, I think it’s possible.

StupEvilBst:

That wasn’t hard at all.

MrJiggyFly62:

OK, IF YOU ANSWER THIS, DO YOU BELIVE TAHT EXDORBIANKILLFISHKINTLOGGER EXESITS

StupEvilBst:

That’s a different question entirely.

MrJiggyFly62:

IHAVE NO IDEA

StupEvilBst:

I didn’t ask you if you believed it exists

StupEvilBst:

See, this is your problem. You don’t understand the difference between something that is possible and something you believe to be true.

MrJiggyFly62:

“SOMETHING called arctomys monax MIGHT exist SOMEWHERE.”

StupEvilBst:

These are two different concepts and you just don’t have a clue.

StupEvilBst:

You left out the word POSSIBILITY.

StupEvilBst:

That’s the key word.

StupEvilBst:

You’re clueless about what a possibility even is.

MrJiggyFly62:

i am alot smarter than you think

StupEvilBst:

Which means you have no rational basis for any beliefs.

StupEvilBst:

You’ve yet to demonstrate this.

StupEvilBst:

You keep equating possibility to mean the same thing as “does exist” and that’s not what it means at all.

MrJiggyFly62:

Ok, god existis to me for some oif the unexplained things

MrJiggyFly62:

you refer to god as he

MrJiggyFly62:

and more’

StupEvilBst:

Which proves absolutely nothing.

StupEvilBst:

And doesn’t address the question.

MrJiggyFly62:

which must mean that either you are spekaing outta uer as or u bilve somthing

StupEvilBst:

You are still clueless.

MrJiggyFly62:

abou god

StupEvilBst:

Would you prefer I refer to God as It? Or her? What difference does it make?

StupEvilBst:

I only made use of the pronoun you used yourself. It says nothing about what I believe the nature of God is or isn’t.

MrJiggyFly62:

because for somereason or anotehr

MrJiggyFly62:

you referd to god as he

StupEvilBst:

I just told you the reason why.

StupEvilBst:

Are you really this thick?

MrJiggyFly62:

whih leads me to belive that you have a vague idea of your interperation of gofd

MrJiggyFly62:

*god

MrJiggyFly62:

no untrue

StupEvilBst:

Then your belief is wrong.

MrJiggyFly62:

you said he before i did

MrJiggyFly62:

how can you say that my belife is wrong

StupEvilBst:

Your belief as to what I hold in the way of opinion is wrong.

It was shortly after this that we reached what the real problem with Mr.JiggyFly62 happened to be:

MrJiggyFly62:

Im 15

StupEvilBst:

I’m 36.

MrJiggyFly62:

ok, good for you

StupEvilBst:

Shall we get back to whatever your point was now?

StupEvilBst:

Do you even remember what your point was?

MrJiggyFly62:

uve managed to study religion for over half you r life andfor some reason you dont agree with any of tyehm

StupEvilBst:

This is true.

MrJiggyFly62:

ok

MrJiggyFly62:

do you liem them

MrJiggyFly62:

anyof thm?>

StupEvilBst:

Do I what?

MrJiggyFly62:

*like

StupEvilBst:

Not sure what you mean by that question. Do you mean are there any that I think are decent religions?

MrJiggyFly62:

no

MrJiggyFly62:

do you enjoy the topic of religion?

StupEvilBst:

Then what do you mean?

StupEvilBst:

Of course I enjoy it. I wouldn’t discuss it on my blog so much if I didn’t enjoy it.

MrJiggyFly62:

i dont view your blog

StupEvilBst:

How’d you get my screenname then?

MrJiggyFly62:

from the time i sw teh telemarketer thinng

StupEvilBst:

What telemarketer thing?

MrJiggyFly62:

wate, uer leslie, rite?

StupEvilBst:

No. I’m Les.

MrJiggyFly62:

okrap

StupEvilBst:

Been talking to the wrong person?

MrJiggyFly62:

yes

StupEvilBst:

Why am I not surprised.

MrJiggyFly62:

i have no interest in talking to you

StupEvilBst:

Ahahahahahahahaha!

StupEvilBst:

Wow, you wasted a lot of time. You really are clueless.

MrJiggyFly62:

although you are quite entertaining

MrJiggyFly62:

i find you not my type of person

StupEvilBst:

At least that confirms one thing I suspected.

StupEvilBst:

I love you too.

MrJiggyFly62:

aahah

MrJiggyFly62:

not quite, i had nott been serching for a specific person

MrJiggyFly62:

just not you

MrJiggyFly62:

have a great nite

StupEvilBst:

I’m heartbroken.

MrJiggyFly62:

are you german

StupEvilBst:

Try and get yer brain into proper working order before you find who you were really looking for, eh?

MrJiggyFly62:

i wasnt looking for a specific person

MrJiggyFly62:

just not you

StupEvilBst:

That says so much about you.

StupEvilBst:

It’s almost ironic.
Session Close (MrJiggyFly62): Sat Apr 17 00:44:57 2004

Thus concludes another conversation with a dumbass. Thanks for watching!

14 thoughts on “Conversations with a dumbass, part deux.

  1. Oh man… that conversation was getting long and boring, but I made it through just to end it by nearly laughing myself out of my chair.  That has to be just about one of the funniest conversations I’ve ever read.  It was interesting to read your perfectly spelled and organized responses right next to his feable attempt to put together a coherent sentence.  Since when do 15 year olds speak (well at least type, god help us if he speaks like that) so horribly? I get annoyed at people, such as my 13 year old cousin, who type everything the “cool” way, such as “2” for “to”, “4” for “for”, “u” for “you”, the list goes on… but atleast what they say is 99% coherent and understandable.  That guy is just a dumbass, plain and simple.  Leslie should count herself lucky she didn’t have to talk to him.  Hmmm, did he actually start off the conversation with that question? That just doesn’t seem like a smart way to start a conversation with a person you don’t know because the person could in fact believe in God.  Of course, Mr JigglyFly didn’t seem to have been endowed with anything resembling intelligence.  All I can say is, stupid people scare me.

  2. Wow, how could you understand what the person is saying. Half the time I am not too sure what exactly is the person talking about.

    Telemarketer? Why is this person seeking out a telemarketer to discuss the issue of religion.

    I realised that this person have redefined the word god to mean the unknown. If god is the synonym for unexplained situations then one could say god does exist. Although that would make for a very odd religion. Imagine if there really was a god and it appeared and the worshippers say, hmmm well now that we know you exist, you cannot really be god can you?

  3. Question Les…I was reading through the conversation and never found an answer to the original point the fellow was pursuing. You believe that the universe was created by “energy that always existed” because “energy can not be created or destroyed.” So let me continue where whoever-he-was-that-can’t-speak-english left off:

    Where’d the energy come from? You’re statement that it “was always there” seems a little weak…scientifically speaking, everything must be explained. I saw you turned the conversation into, “where did God come from then?” The big advantage a religious person has - they don’t need to explain these facts. There’s nothing wrong with saying, “I have no idea” because God can exist outside of the space-time-matter universe we’ve all come to know and love.

    In essence, by saying that energy was “always there,” it seems a faith-based issue. It can’t and has not been proven…If you follow that line of logic, you are saying, “I put my faith in random, eternally existing, non-directed energy creating everything we see today.”

    …compared to someone saying, “I believe in God who created all that we see today.” …it seems the believers in religion have a more logical arguement?

  4. Where did the universe come from?

    God, an entity without apparent beginning or end, went “zot” and things started to exist as they do today.

    God, an entity without apparent beginning or end, went “zot” and as a result set in motion a series of events that used the laws of the universe to ultimately make things exist as they do today.

    Some matter/energy principle we don’t understand but have names for (big bang, singularity, etc) set in motion a series of events that within the laws of the universe ultimately created things as they are today.

    Some gravitational principles we don’t understand but have names for (big bang/big gnab, etc.) cause the universe as we know it to be continuously created and destroyed, apparently without beginning or end.

    We are actually part of a fingernail in a being of infinite relative size (and it’s going to be really bad in a few billion years when he clips his nails.)

    All of these are explanations, and while we have some “facts”, none of them are without problems and/or great leaps of faith of one form or another. Whether it’s a god who has always existed, or matter/energy that has always existed, there are gaps in our understanding.

    So pick the one you want, or make up your own…if it fits the data we currently have on the subject, so much the better.

    ps. The turtle moves!

  5. Kudos to Jeth for the Discworld reference.

    As for creation, I always thought the Japanese myth had some poetry in it: a katana was dipped in the ocean, and the drops that fell from the tip when it was raised formed the islands.

    Of course fuedal Japan was every bit as violent as one might expect, but then, there’s poetry in violence as well.

    Oh, and Les, sorry for not getting those links to you yet.

  6. I had a feeling someone would attempt to pick up Mr.Jiggyfly62’s argument and run with it…

    Where’d the energy come from? You’re statement that it “was always there” seems a little weak… scientifically speaking, everything must be explained.

    Not sure why you think that’s weak scientifically as it’s consistent with Einsteins Special Theory of Relativity. E=mc2. Granted, once you progress backwards to the point that you hit a singularity where everything is energy compressed into an infinitely small point the mathematical model used to describe the cosmos falls apart, but that just says that Einstein’s theory is only useful up to a point and if we’re going to understand what things we’re like before then we’ll have to figure out a new model. And science doesn’t say that everything MUST be explained, it just tries to explain as much as it can. Science admits it doesn’t have all the answers and that there’s still a lot about a lot of things we don’t know yet.

    I saw you turned the conversation into, “where did God come from then?” The big advantage a religious person has - they don’t need to explain these facts. There’s nothing wrong with saying, “I have no idea” because God can exist outside of the space-time-matter universe we’ve all come to know and love.

    Again, I’m not at all clear why you think it’s OK for a religious person to say “I have no idea” but not for someone who accepts science as presenting the most likely answers to the big questions. Science says “I have no idea” all the time, it just tacks on “but let’s see if we can find out” to the end of the sentence. The only real difference is that science isn’t content to rely on supernatural explanations for anything it doesn’t fully understand.

    In essence, by saying that energy was “always there,” it seems a faith-based issue. It can’t and has not been proven… If you follow that line of logic, you are saying, “I put my faith in random, eternally existing, non-directed energy creating everything we see today.” …compared to someone saying, “I believe in God who created all that we see today.” …it seems the believers in religion have a more logical arguement?

    If you say so. As far as I’m aware there’s enough evidence behind E=mc2 that it’s accepted by most scientists. If energy can’t be destroyed, but can change form then it’s simple logic to say that something which can’t be destroyed has always been there in one form or another. Does simple logic require faith? To a degree I suppose, but is it the same faith required to believe in a magical old man who makes everything by sheer force of will? I’d say no. I’m not sure why you’d think that belief in the magical old guy is a more logical argument than accepting the idea that the Universe and everything in it is a result of naturally occuring processes.

    A lot of believers want to insist that the idea of the magical old guy making everything through sheer force of will is more logical than the idea of a Universe that isn’t directed by some outside agent, but I’ve never understood why they should think this is the case. I’m often told that the chances of this all happening without God are ridiculously improbable, but these same people seem to have no problem with how much more improbable the existence of a being capable of manipulating reality by thought alone must be.

  7. Say, Les, a question: you state that you are an atheist, yet you say you believe in the possibility of God (you spent a lot of time trying to get that point over to the moron

    But wouldn’t that make you an AGNOSTIC, instead of an ATHEIST? As far as I know the definition, being an Atheist means denying the existence of God, while being an Agnostic means not believing in God, but being open for proof or logical arguments in the matter.

    I consider myself an agnostic.

  8. I haven’t finished the conversation due to its sheer length, but I must say that I feel bad for the guy. Ah well, back to reading.

  9. A lot of believers want to insist that the idea of the magical old guy making everything through sheer force of will is more logical than the idea of a Universe that isn

  10. I revoke my prior comment.

    This quote is hillarious:

    MrJiggyFly62: i wasnt looking for a specific person
    MrJiggyFly62: just not you

    Seperately, I am quite positive that he was looking for you. How tiny a chance there can be that he was looking for a Leslie when your name is Les. As well, what telemarketing program could he have been using.

    Sigh.

  11. That’s a fair question, Ingolfson, and I’ve had more than one person pose it to me. It shows how much is read into the label atheist and shows why some folks have tried to adopt a new moniker of calling themselves “Brights” (something I’ve been meaning to comment on for awhile, but haven’t yet).

    Essentially I use the definitions for Atheist, Agnostic and Freethinker as proposed in The Atheist FAQ. In essence, the big difference between atheists and agnostics is that atheists draw a conclusion whereas agnostics refuse to. True agnostics will not draw a conclusion on whether or not Gods exist. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn’t, but there’s not enough evidence to decide either way.

    I can accept the idea of Gods of some sort possibly existing in much the same way that I can accept the possibility that Diminuative Underwear Trolls might exist, but I don’t believe the reality of either to be true. Which is the point I was trying to make in my IM conversation.

  12. Double dipping for Etan…

    I checked my full logs from this guy and it turns out he has been to SEB before. He shows up as “Daniel” in a thread I started awhile back about Bush signing the Anti-Telemarketing law. In that thread he claims to be the son of a telemarketer and attempts to defend the occupation as being free speech and all that crap. My full name is Lesley, but I rarely go by it these days and most folks know me as Les. I’ve certainly never mentioned it to Daniel before and it’s only been mentioned a couple of times on this blog.

  13. Here is an article from one of more favourite philosopher Bertrand Russell that deals with some issues the religious belief on how the universe was created.

    It was written in 1929 and is titled “Why I Am Not A Christian.” Although it seems that it is more a statement on being a freethinker.

    http://www.users.drew.edu/~jlenz/whynot.html

    Why I Am Not A Christian
    by Bertrand Russell

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