Clueless Pastor contradicts himself.

Was reading this article at DallasNews.com (registration required) on an upcoming visit President Bush plans to make to the Oak Cliff Bible Fellowship church in Texas. The Pastor of said church, Anthony T. Evans, made the following stunningly clueless statements while talking about how he wanted to encourage Bush in his faith-based initiatives:

Dr. Evans said he hopes to emphasize to the president the importance of continuing to incorporate faith in his politics.

Dr. Evans has worked with the president to promote government support for faith-based initiatives. Mr. Bush has credited the Dallas pastor with helping to inspire the idea of using federal dollars to fund faith-based programs.

“It’s one of the most important initiatives our country has ever had,” Dr. Evans said. “We do believe in a separation of church and state. We don’t believe in the separation of God and government.”

OK, someone please explain to me the difference. Clearly the good Pastor’s congregation seems unable to tell the difference as is evidenced by the following:

Church member Michael Johnson said the congregation hopes to convey a message to the president about the importance of integrating faith into the community.

“We want to put God back into our schools,” he said.

Your God never left the schools, he’s just no longer getting preferential treatment over everyone else’s Gods. Which is what this congregation member is actually saying he wants, the government to promote his God over all others. So how is that not a violation of the separation of Church and State?

3 thoughts on “Clueless Pastor contradicts himself.

  1. Once again, another stupid evangelist using his religion to undermine the principles that keep our country free and unbiased, and meanwhile making this action seem like a responsible and compassionate thing to do in the face of so much “Godless” violence.  I got a better idea:
    WHY DON’T ALL YOU STUPID, BRAINLESS, SECOND-HANDED POLITICIANS MAKE YOUR OWN DECISIONS AND LEAVE THE SPIRITUALITY TO YOURSELVES?!
    Secondly, God was never meant to be in a public school.  If you want your kids to be as religious and uptight and brainwashed as you are currently, send them to a private school and PAY for them to do it.  This country was founded to give the minority a chance; in this case, that would be us atheists.  Us, along with the thousands of other religions that have to deal with all this tripe being crammed down their throats by a bunch of dimwitted blowhards who think they know what’s going on because “God said so”.
    I swear, if this country’s government adopts this kind of idealistic religious mindset, I’m moving to Canada.
    Meanwhile, read some books that actually have some relavancy to reality.  Might do you some good.

  2. Well, this particular posting is rather timely, as I am about seven papers away from completing the stack of papers that I’m grading for a GenEd 111 class.

    I’m the TA.  The instructor covered Confucian China, Akbar’s influence in India, and the religious wars in Europe (briefly) in class.  Then he put a question on the exam about the way that religion has been used to pursue political ends, and can that info be used to “justify or reject” a separation of church and state?

    Not every student chose to answer that question, and most of the ones who did answer it at least saw the way that religion was often used as an excuse for individuals or governments to pursue purely selfish goals.

    But there have been at least ten papers (nine of them very poorly written, and containing almost no information from the lectures or the text—ie: bad papers, even without the religious bias) that have “gone off” into extemporaneous diatribes about how its “wrong” to “make it illegal to pray or bring a bible to school,” and “why can’t those people who are upset about the Ten Commandments in a courthouse ‘just relax.”

    I’m afraid I actually responded to some of these assertions—sometimes my pen starts moving before I really consider it.  So now I’m going to have a group of students who are convinced that their low C and D papers are the result of “religious persecution” by “that atheist TA.” *sigh* 

    NO.  The papers were BAD (and personally offensive to me), but they received poor grades because they were just plain BAD papers.  Only one of the ten papers contained a substantial amount of info from the text/lectures, and it received a B+, even though it was one of the most offensive in terms of the assertions about the “necessity of religion in goverment, because religion is the basis of all morality.”

    Now, some of them are probably going to come to my office hours and A. claim that I am “discriminating” against them, or B. Try to convince me that they’re actually right, and that religion should be an integral part of government.

    Gotta love eastern Washington state—hell, it’s practically Idaho.

  3. Dr. Evans has worked with the president to promote government support for faith-based initiatives. Mr. Bush has credited the Dallas pastor with helping to inspire the idea of using federal dollars to fund faith-based programs.

    I recently saw a piece, probably on NPR, about the President’s Faith Based Initiative. Even though the initiative never made it into law, our President signed an Executive Order that allowed agencies to establish a staff to start funding the effort.

    These agencies are not collecting data on which denominations that they fund, and they are not doing much in the way of reporting funding. In the piece the interviewer asked someone in government if a particular funding stream was pay-back for support ($) during the presidential election.

    Makes you wonder how much money is going to Catholic churches, black churches, synagogues, and mosques.

    “It’s one of the most important initiatives our country has ever had,” Dr. Evans said. “We do believe in a separation of church and state. We don’t believe in the separation of God and government.”

    Will the Atorney General be at the meeting to sing Let the Eagle Soar?

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