Pope hurt by naughty priests.

In a stunning almost non-condemnation the Pope finally chimed in on the growing number of pedophilia scandals making headlines around the world.

“As priests we are personally and profoundly afflicted by the sins of some of our brothers who have betrayed the grace of ordination in succumbing even to the most grievous forms of the mystery of evil at work in the world.”

In all, the Pope devoted a whole paragraph out of a 22 page letter he writes annually to all priests involved in the church. The paragraph bemoans the “dark shadow of suspicion” that now hovers over the priesthood as a result of the scandals, but doesn’t go on to condemn the actions of any of the accused in any way. Nothing even so much as chastising the bishops and cardinals who shuffled these predators from one parish to another instead of turning them over to the police as they should have from day one. Not even a promise to enact new rules to ensure that any future accusations are dealt with immediately and thoroughly instead of just sweeping it under the rug.

Just a lot of whining about the church’s now tarnished image. It would probably help the church a lot more if the Pope were seen to be taking this scandal as the tragedy it is and made some firm statements on how the church will go about getting it’s act cleaned up and attempt to repair the broken trust with its members. As always, though, the church is beyond criticism even when the scandal reaches into the upper echelons of its hierarchy. This isn’t just about how a bunch of priests molested kids, this is about how the church as an organization went about covering it up and allowed hundreds of additional people to be molested just so the church wouldn’t suffer from bad PR. They put the intrests of the church’s image ahead of the welfare of its members. With that lack of willingness to apply its own morality to itself, is it any wonder that such a scandal was able to continue for as long as it did?

49 thoughts on “Pope hurt by naughty priests.

  1. I think that pedophiles usually gravitate to careers that hold a certain amount of trust, where they can easily come in contact with their victims.

    In short, Priests don’t become pedophiles, pedophiles become priests.

  2. Your statement assumes that all pedophiles are of the belief there is nothing wrong with what they are doing and are actively seeking out methods to further their activities. From the reading I’ve been doing on this topic it seems to me that those pedophiles that did join the clergy (of whatever religion, not just Catholics) did so more out of the belief that by doing so they’d become closer to God and have the help they needed from a divine source to overcome the feelings which they knew were wrong to have. Your statement may be true about the motivations of some pedophiles turned clergy, but it’s my impression that those are a relatively small number of people.

    The point of my column wasn’t that I thought priests are turning into pedophiles as much as it was about the rather self-serving response the Church has had to the scandal. I don’t mean to imply that all priests are pedophiles or will become such in time. I was being critical of the Church as an organization for not dealing with the problem properly in the first place. There is no reasonable argument for shunting accused priests from parish to parish over 20 years and allowing them to continue to molest children in each new location. Did they really think that a change of scenery would prompt these pedophiles to stop messing with the kids? From the first allegation of abuse these priests should have been under investigation by the Church and watched carefully and, if the allegations proved to have the weight of evidence behind them, should have been turned over to the police.

  3. Now, how do you feel about his new thought regarding tubal feeding?

    This creep (the pope) continues his belief in quantity of life verses quality of life.

    He infurates me because he has no regard for the the environment nor the diminishing resources because he’ll be dead and the rest of us suffer from his repulsive, carrion spewing, vain verbage. His pontification is vaporous and totally thoughtless because he never considers the earth nor it’s demise.

    The sad thing is there are people who never question his idiocracy (a word I’ve made up for those following idiots) and fallibility.

    Thanks for letting me vent! I truly dislike the pope!!!

  4. My brothers you must realise that the sex scandal is all work of the Devil who has managed to tempt priests into causing such a scandal. the church ‘hid’ the scandal because there were not enough priests to run the churches if they were excomunicated. Try and realise also that in just one day over 18 children are abused sexually and physically and not by priests, by teachers and parents it is unfortunate that some priests gave a bad name to the whole clergy. Do not speak in a bad way about the Vatican because it is still the holy see and the house of God. People make mistakes!.
              god bless

  5. Your excuse for why the church hid the scandal is bullshit, much like your belief in the God and the Devil. The fact that children are molested by people other than priests in no way diminishes the crime committed by the priests or the evil the Vatican engaged in by covering it up.

  6. Sex scandals aren’t caused by the devil’s temptation; they’re caused by men and women without an excuse.
    You’re trying to excuse them, Jim.
    You’re as criminal as the molester, or the pope who, by omission of any reference to their crimes, backs his priests.  mad

  7. My brothers you must realise that the sex scandal is all work of the Devil who has managed to tempt priests into causing such a scandal.

    How convenient to blame the Devil for your shortcomings. Most of you Catholics seem more upset over the scandal than over the actual molestation.

    Do not speak in a bad way about the Vatican because it is still the holy see and the house of God.

    The Holy Vatican is responsible for more suffering and evil than all other religions put together. There is more blood on the collective hands of your Pope than any other person in history.

  8. JM: Do not speak in a bad way about the Vatican because it is still the holy see and the house of God.

    Is this a joke?  Don, is this you?

  9. … the [Roman Catholic] church ‘hid’ the scandal because there were not enough priests to run the churches if they were excomunicated.  …it is unfortunate that some priests gave a bad name to the whole clergy.

    Are you saying that the catholic church condoned pedophilia simply because the priests couldn’t be replaced?  Excommunication should have been the least of these pedophiles’ worries, they should have have been prosecuted, convicted, and sent to PMIA prisons for the rest of their lives.  The real scandal is not that some priests diddled some kids, the biggest scandal is that the fucking catholic church condoned the actions of pedophiles for quite a few years.

  10. i bet those children the preists molested grew up to be atheists, it amazes me that these religious groups want people to believe what they do, then they do things, to many to mention here, that totally turn people off and away from it.

  11. The real scandal is not that some priests diddled some kids, the biggest scandal is that the fucking catholic church condoned the actions of pedophiles for quite a few years.

    I agree idm.  It pains me, but I agree. I’ll repeat what I have said elsewhere.

    The Church appears to have three issues that are at the heart of this scandal.  None of them have been resolved at this time.

    First, it is important to understand that the concept that we are all sinners is at the heart of Church doctrine.  Hand in hand with that is the belief that we are all entitled to reconciliation with the Master should we seek to repent.  This is true whether the sin is criminal or not.  When a bishop would discover that the priest had engaged in sexual sins, he would refer the priest to counseling centers such as Paraclete in New Mexico.  Unfortunately, the counseling centers did nothing to treat the priests.  The priest would go on a sabbatical in N.M. and then be assigned to a parish again.  Defrocking was a rare step that was taken because it runs counter to the Church’s belief in forgiveness and rehabilitation.  So, there is and continues to be a problem with the discipline process within the Church.

    Second, the scandal is not a Church sex scandal.  An outbreak of scandals involving priests has occurred.  It has not been an outbreak of predatory heterosexual sex.  By and large, the vast majority of scandals that have occurred involve man/boy victimization by a homosexual priest.  It is also likely that nearly half the priests in the U.S. are homosexual. It would be ludicrous to turn a blind eye to the link between the increased reports of man/boy victimization and rising rates of homosexuals within the priesthood.  The correlation is a direct one.  Yet, the Church has done exactly that.

    Third, litigation is problematic.  Even if the Church wanted to disclose all, it can’t.  Most dioceses in the U.S. would suffer severe hardship, some even going bankrupt if hit with the full force of lawsuits where liability was not contested.  There would be countless people come forward and say they were also abused, even though they weren’t.  I call it the money syndrome.  It happens in every class action.

    I have a deep affection in my heart for the Church.  There have been many priests in my life that played a very positive role.  The Church community has served as pillar of support during trying times.  I see many good things that the Church does.  It pains me to see it go through this.

    Conversely, I’ve seen the pain caused by these priests.  I’m outraged by it.

  12. Consi; I even agreed with much of what you said. 

    If the church hadn’t condoned and even facilitated the pedophilia, I would even have sympathy for those dioceses that have been sued. 

    As it stands, I believe that there should have been many more lawsuits from boys/men (and I understand also girls/women) who were actually victimized both by priests and by those who shielded the priests.  It would have been a Good Thing if the awards from the lawsuits had bankrupted certain dioceses, and possibly even the the roman catholic church in the US.  I also believe that the church should cooperate with law enforcement authorities to prosecute the priests.

  13. We must all look and see that the Catholic church is still the holy see! even the bible says so, Christ had said that the elders of the church will make mistakes, and he said don’t look at the bad but only look at the good they do, what ever happens the church is run by humans who make mistakes, instead of pointing fingers we should pray for the priests who do such things. I want to be a priest when I am older till now I am 16, I am telling you all the priests I know have never touched any boys and I know over 40 priests. Its all a matter of gossip. Lately there was a tv show in my country about this, and my dad is a lawyer and he is in charge of church affairs, they asked for statistics on priest abuse, and from all the priests the persentage stands at 5% , it is still a shame to have that 5 % how ever we are all humans and we must not point our fingers, by the way the Pope is not eveil and sheds blood, what rubbish you are talking about the inquisition, read about it then copmment then the crusades, the crusades wee protecting the church against islam, which was a problem at that time, and is still a problem today how ever christ said, “peter on you I shall build my church and not even the hells of the earth shall defeat it”, the truth still is that the church is still ONE Holy Catholic and Apostholic Church
    and when christ come back , it is to that church were he will go and dwell and it is the Pope he will go to! there is as much evidence as you want to show that the Pope is left by Christ.
    Good night every on God bless and remember to pray for the church! becasue satan is is so happy when something like this happens!

  14. So, um, “Zak.” Why aren’t you posting as “Rev.Fr.James Marco” this time? Same IP address, same email address. Suddenly you’re 16 and hoping to become a priest when you get older?

    Don’t you know that lying makes baby Jesus cry?

  15. Zak, Isn’t it a sin to call yourself “Rev.Fr.” when you aren’t really a “Rev.Fr.”?  At least one priest says it is:

    Falsely claiming to be a priest will certainly damn your soul. The risk of calumny is high.—R. Coomaraswamy +

    Good night every on God bless and remember to pray for the church! becasue satan is is so happy when something like this happens!

    If you’re 16, aren’t you a bit old to believe in sky daddies and demons?

  16. i think he will make an excellent preist, he’s already got the lying and deception down., and he says many of the idiotic things most real preists do!!!!!!!!

  17. Zak: when christ come back , it is to that church were he will go and dwell and it is the Pope he will go to! there is as much evidence as you want to show that the Pope is left by Christ.

    I was still able to make some sense of that even though you fucked it up.
    a. He didn’t exist, therefore he won’t be coming back.
    b. If he did exist, he won’t be coming back.
    c. If he did come back he wouldn’t be going to the The Holy Roman Catholic Crutch because from memory he had a few altercations with organised religion and your crutch is a very well organised corporation to say the least … anyway, I thought he liked simple fisherman best. wink

  18. The Pope was never left by christ. The pope was a political position imposed by a rising order 200years after christ to consolidate power.

    The council of trent created much of the vaporous dogma and doctrine that hold catholics sway. The problem is, catholics never asked by what standards and according to whose authority did these doctrines come about

  19. Fr.James marco is my brother, he receives E-mail on my adres since he doesnt have his own adress,any thing else you need?

    I am very stressed seeing that that lucky john 19 looks well over 40 years of age and swears soo publically and also he is not realising that he too wil face God one day, sure Johnny 19 for now act cool infront of every one but I hope you want be calling a priest on your death bed, because lately the church has began to stop adminstering the sacrement of the last rites to people who never followed, All of you just want to say what you want and think how you want, well its up to you, How ever there will allways be good people in the world and you are amongs the most evil, as it says in the book of Revelation , I solemnly beleive that we are living in it right now , were it says “there will be a time that people either join the beast and persecute the body of christ and there will be those who join against the beast with the throne of st.peter” (Revelation)
      weather you fools like it or not the pope is christs representor, if he is not then why did they find the Tomb of st.Peter right under the Basilica of the vatican!?  scientists proove it was st.peters body, and they also proove christs existance. ” you who are weak in faith be not afraid for I shall leave me church and she will guide you through the valleys of darkness and she will lead you to my father in the kingdom of glory, were you shall live for ever”( St.Mark)
    once again I will offer prayers for all of you here, especially for you johny, you seem troubled, and no wonder if you dont have Christ in your life you have nothing!

  20. Zak; Few people here CARE about that horseshit, and many people here can tell you the full documented history of how the papacy came to be. 

    What does Lucky John’s apparent age in his avatar have to do with anything? 

    Not that Johny 19 would ever want them, I seriously doubt that many priests would stop administering the sacrament of the last rites to people who never followed.  If priests did do that, then my opinion of the Roman catholic faith will have been further reinforced.

    Many bible historians and theologians of the time that it was added believe that the book of revelation (ΑΠΟΚΑΛΥΨΙΣ ΙΩΑΝΝΟΥ) should not have been included in the new testament canon.  The eastern orthodox church doesn’t recognize it.  Some people find it to be a great work of fiction, and many others simply don’t care.

    The vast majority of devout christians in most of the world do not believe that the pope is christ’s representative.  The vast majority of people in the world (not even including atheists) have never given two shits about the pope.

    I don’t believe that any scientists have ever proven anything regarding “saint peter”. 

    Pray all you want.  Don’t you get it? Nobody Fucking Cares.

  21. Zak: I am very stressed seeing that that lucky john 19 looks well over 40 years of age

    And so I should.  LOL
    Listen little Zacky, I’ll be 60 in 40 days and you can be assured that on my death bed I will abso-fucking-lutely NOT be asking a priest or any other type of go-between or god-bothering parasite to come to my rescue.
    I do not believe in invisible beings but don’t mind people who do so as long as they don’t give me the sanctimonious crap you’re trying to give me.
    I get by extremely well in my life without gods – mostly good stuff happens & rarely bad stuff happens – it’s a lot like your life only, I don’t blame or thank any invisible beings for any part of it as I know I am always responsible for all my thoughts, choices, words and actions.

    How ever there will allways be good people in the world and you are amongs the most evil,

    I suppose you mean that xians belonging to The Holy Roman Catholic Crutch are the chosen ones and all the other xians and atheists are the evil ones.
    Yeah, well little Zacky. Your Crutch has a pretty shitty track-record and if you used your brain you’d explore knowledge – it can set you free from the slavery of your crutch.
    ET: I am not for sale or rent to any god or government.

    scientists proove it was st.peters body

    Somehow I doubt that but if you believe that scam you’ll believe anything, as you do.
    Go in peace kid and get a real job – don’t be a parasite.  smile

  22. luckyjohn is evil. lol. your going to hell for swearing. why do bible scriptures make me laugh? oh, im evil to. were all going to hell. excuse me for concetrating on this life, and not beleiving in your little fantasy land.
    the pope is christ representator, he’s an evil bastard to. when i die, i don’t want any damn preist either, i want to talk to an atheist so i don’t have to listen to a bunch of dumb shit.

  23. jory;  I don’t believe that there is a hell.  I have never heard of bible scriptures making anybody laugh.  You may as well concentrate on this life because you’re not getting another one.  I agree with you that the current pope is evil—in the worst kind of way.  It depends upon the priest, some of them are interesting people; it also depends upon the atheist, some of them are not very interesting people. Personally, I don’t want to talk to interesting people when I die; I want to be doing something interesting when I die.

  24. i don’t believe there is a hell either. the concept of hell comes from religion.
    it’s just some of these things the bible talks about are so riduculous, they do make me laugh. but i can see where it is also not very funny, being how it has affected humanity.

  25. zak, so i reread your long post, and you said that the church won’t give sacrements to those that never followed. hello, we don’t care,we are atheists. i also feel that looking outside yourself to some god is very damaging, you have to look within yourself for peace, or you never truly find it.
    i can’t wait to see what else he has to say either.

  26. Hello good evening my brethren Dominus Vobiscum!
    well you find it damaging? I see, I want one of you to answer this question that I am going to put forward for you..well actually 2 questions.

    NOW please answer them with the gratest seriousnees, not just say “simple they thre ketchup on it to make it red”

    so…. the questions are:

    1) that priest who was celebrating mass in germany or Italy( not sure which one), and when he was consecrating the bread into christs body, and he doubted that it was christs body and christs blood, the bread turned to flesh with blood dripping and the win became blood! I am not joking and its not a joke either, I think you can go to see this miracle, It happened infront of many people, its not a bluff. thats q. no1

    2) when mary appeared in Fatima in 1917 to 3 children, and they went to tell their parents and the parish priest found out too, and every one was angry at them for lying and then one day 1000 people gathered to see this so called lady, and when she appeared the sky turned red and al the people say was a powerful light, how ever the children saw her figure. She revelade 3 secrets that day, on e of them happened in 1980 when pope john paulII was shot.
    explain these sacred happenings please , remember to be serious!

  27. explain these sacred happenings please , remember to be serious!

    Seriously, the Martians did it.

    Well it makes as much sense as the answer you are looking for.

  28. 1) If it happened at all it was likely simple slight of hand. It would be child’s play for even an amateur magician after a little practice. Not all that dissimilar to the “psychic surgery” frauds. You want to see something impressive go to a David Copperfield or Chris Angel magic show.

    2) First off there appears to be quite a bit of debate over just what happened and what was supposedly revealed during the Our Lady of Fatima phenomena. More specifically that the “third secret” was the assassination attempt on Pope John Paul II is questionable at best.

    Beyond that the “powerful light” that appeared at Fatima was the friggin’ sun and if there’s one thing that’s sure to fuck up your sense of vision and lead to all manner of strange sights it’s staring directly into the sun, which many people are reported to have done at the time.

  29. The were frauds, Zak. Poorly executed cons, like religion itself. You can see better “miracles” every day in Vegas magic shows.

    You really want to know how the business of miracles works, take a look at the movie “Leap of Faith”.

  30. Zak; 

    If sacramental bread literally turned to “flesh with blood dripping” and the wine literally became blood, don’t you think that samples would have been taken and tested, and it would have been scientificly documented? 

    Do the stores in Fatima sell bumper sticker that says “Come To Fatima; Eat, Drink, and See Mary”?

  31. KPG:

    I’ve was trying to come up with a bread to flesh and wine to blood joke to go with eating Mary, but I resisted. 

    Maybe in the bisexual thread…

  32. flesh with blood dripping and the win [sic]became blood

    God: You said What
    Jesus mumbles
    God: What
    Jesus:Eat this bread it is my flesh
    God: WHAT! You told them to be cannibles? Great start to a new religeon. Anything else
    Jesus mumbles
    God: Drink this wine what?
    Jesus: It is my blood…
    God: Great Cannibalism and vampirism…

    (with apologies to Eddie Izzard)

  33. Zak: the bread turned to flesh with blood dripping and the win[e] became blood!

    So kid, ya gotta tell me – did they all eat the meat and drink the blood?  LOL
    Don’t you have a problem with that transmogrification stuff?
    Doesn’t it remind you, just a little bit, of cannibalism?

    every one was angry at them for lying and then one day 1000 people gathered to see

    So, in fact, ‘everyone’ was not angry with them.
    Ever heard of delusional, wishful thinking or Rorschach inkblots.
    They all work together here in non-miraculous ways.
    Kid, get a grip on you brain and use it.
    Just cos all this stuff is an adult fairy tale doesn’t alter the fact it’s still a fairy tale.

  34. this is exactly why these beliefs are so damaging, you actually buy this stuff they tell you. you were there? did you see this with your own eyes, and even if you had, why would you believe it to be real? look at david blaine, and the amazing things he does, if he claimed it to be a miracle from god, a lot of people would actually believe him. look at some of the people who bleed from their hands, and they think it is something to do with jesus. i think it has more to do with the power of their mind, or it is a bleeding disorder, nothing to do with jesus. the mind is a very powerful thing. it can heal, among many other things. i think if jesus did exist, which i highly doubt, he was a magician, sorry for my poor spelling. miracles happen a lot, but it has nothing to do with any god, and there are many frauds taking place, especially with religion, which is sad.
    another thing this reminded me of, the other day my son came home from school and asked me if people drink wine in church because he heard something about this. i told him yes, sometimes, for religious ceremonies. his reply was, “you know why they do that don’t you? it’s so you will believe what they tell you.” i laughed so hard. LOL  LOL

  35. “you know why they do that don’t you? it’s so you will believe what they tell you.” i laughed so hard.

    So did I.  LOL

  36. “The bread is normal bread but when the mysterie sanctifies it it becomes the body of Christ”(St.Pius X)

    What do these words mean to all of you? its not cannabilism, christs wants to be present in us!

  37. Zak: “The bread is normal bread but when the mysterie sanctifies it it becomes the body of Christ”(St.Pius X)

    What do these words mean to all of you?

    They don’t mean a thing to me.

  38. What do these words mean to all of you? its not cannabilism, christs wants to be present in us!

    Right, like Buddy Love was present in professor Klump in Eddie Murphy’s Nutty Professor II… “I’m not leaving until I have this man inside of me!!!  shock

  39. when the mysterie sanctifies it

    Abracadabra … woooo.

    It reminds me of the old joke about a guy who is about to leap off the Brooklyn Bridge.  An old withered-up hag approaches him and asks him why he’s going to jump.  He’s says that he’s a bank manager who has embezzled millions of dollars and gambled it away.  The auditors are about to discover the theft; and he’ll be jailed.  When he told his wife, she immediately moved out. 

    The old witch-like hag says, “Sonny, I can help you.  I have magical powers.  All you have to do is make wild, passionate love to me all night long, and I will make everything right again.”  The guy says, “Wow, this is just like a fairy tale; I’ll do it!” “Poof” she says, “the money is back in the bank vault, the paper-trail is fixed for the auditors, your wife has forgiven you, and she is on her way back home. Now take me to a motel and fulfill your end of the bargain.” He’s is so relieved, he puts aside his revulsion of her appearance and makes good on his agreement.  When he’s finished and is getting dressed, he says “Gee, I can’t believe how lucky I am that you came along; now I can return to my perfect life.” 

    The old hag asks him how old he is, and he replies that he’s forty.  She says, “Sonny, don’t you think you’re a little too old to still believe in fairy tales?!”  LOL

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