Your Beliefs About Global Warming Are Irrelevent

Posted by Michael Peacock on Monday, January 29, 2007 at 06:59 PM. Read 3648 times. Tags:
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This letter appeared in today’s Mobile Press-Register, and it raises a few questions about the science and politics behind the so-called global warming “debate”.  I’ll present it in it’s entirety, and will then address some specific issues.

Global warming claim a ‘hoodwink’

Nancy Pelosi, in addition to being speaker of the House, has apparently become a climate change expert. Her proclamation that global warming is an undeniable fact is bold, authoritative and for the most part correct, except that human activity cannot be proven to be its cause.

Blaming a warming Earth on humankind has become the mantra of liberal, left-leaning politicians on both sides of the aisle in Washington. A Jan. 21 letter to the Press-Register (“Environmental battle is about control”) by Kenneth D. Slade of Theodore hit the nail squarely on the head when he said it’s about seeking political control over our lives and livelihoods.

I believe that global warming is the biggest hoodwink in our present time, and I have expressed this view to the Press-Register in recent months. I’ve said that warming on a global scale is part of a natural cycle that has happened over and over again, and that it must be respected and planned for. It should not become a scare tactic used by politicians and environmentalists to gain control of our lives.

The “climate experts” that have been cited by syndicated columnist Tom Teepen and politician Al Gore in this newspaper are always anonymous and never brought into debate with climate experts who see things differently. Mr. Slade is correct when he says that the eco-left is trying to make a power grab. What’s going on now is beginning to smell like the McCarthy era in the 1950s, and it scares me.

Look for many more global warming declarations and propaganda from the Democrats and the eco-left as we progress toward the 2008 elections. We’re going to be buried under an avalanche of it. Tell a big lie often enough and it stands a chance of being believed.

In the meantime, look for liberal Democrats, with Nancy Pelosi leading the way, to begin sponsoring anti-global warming bills, with each in turn increasing regulations on “greenhouse gases” and auto and manufacturing emissions, which go to the very heart and soul of our nation’s manufacturing economy.

I believe Democrats are willing to play a high-risk game with global climate change in their quest to control the things we produce and what we, as a “free people,“ can do in America.

And I do believe that liberal Democrats would sell out our country to a higher world authority if they thought it would give them the power they truly desire to have. In doing so, they are playing a dangerous game with our democracy and our lives.

THOMAS L. M.

Fairhope, AL


Now, Let’s look at some of the specific claims in this letter, and I’ll demonstrate why they are either misleading or just plain false.

 

Nancy Pelosi, in addition to being speaker of the House, has apparently become a climate change expert. Her proclamation that global warming is an undeniable fact is bold, authoritative and for the most part correct, except that human activity cannot be proven to be its cause.

Here the claim is that human activity cannot be proven to be the cause of Global Warming.  That is entirely true, since science is an inductive process of discovering truth via discrete observations and hypothesis testing.  In fact - science can never prove anything, although science is particularly good at disproving false claims. 

The author implies that human activity is not the cause of global warming, and through this, makes two assumptions: that Global Warming is real (which I personally agree with, though it’s generally poor form to contradict the thesis of your essay in its opening paragraph), and that there is just a single cause or Global Warming.  This is misleading, and paints an overly simplistic picture of the available data. 


It is more accurate to claim that, on average, surface temperatures are indeed rising around the world, and that human activity, specifically the emissions of so-called “green house gases” are playing an increasing role in this temperature increase.

Blaming a warming Earth on humankind has become the mantra of liberal, left-leaning politicians on both sides of the aisle in Washington. A Jan. 21 letter to the Press-Register (“Environmental battle is about control”) by K. D. S. of Theodore hit the nail squarely on the head when he said it’s about seeking political control over our lives and livelihoods.

Here there are several misleading claims.  First, the author claims there are, “left-leaning politicians on both sides of the aisle in Washington”, which is only 51% accurate since the November elections.  Second, the author claims that these politicians have a mantra, and that mantra is “blame warming on humankind.“  Finally, the author claims that another letter writer, K.D.S. of Theodore, Alabama was correct is his assertion that those who intone this mantra have a desire to seek control over our lives and livelihoods.  Since we have already clearly demonstrated that the first claim is, at best, barely more than half-true, then my guess is that the other two claims that flow from it are somewhat less true.  In the absence of any corroborating evidence, we would be best served by assuming these claims are simply false, and ignore them altogether.

I believe that global warming is the biggest hoodwink in our present time, and I have expressed this view to the Press-Register in recent months. I’ve said that warming on a global scale is part of a natural cycle that has happened over and over again, and that it must be respected and planned for. It should not become a scare tactic used by politicians and environmentalists to gain control of our lives.

The misleading claim here us that global warming is actually part of a natural cycle.  The basis of this claim is the authors belief that politicians (presumably the left-leaning, ones chanting the mantra above) are trying to “hoodwink” us.  The claim is misleading because warming and cooling periods are indeed seen throughout history.  Recent evidence, however, indicates that, natural fluctuations were responsible for most temperature changes through the first half of the 20th century, but since the latter half of the 20th century, we have moved outside the bounds of normal, natural temperature fluctuations.

As to Thomas’ belief that, “global warming is the biggest hoodwink in our present time”, I would humbly submit that the original case for war in Iraq might be a hoodwink on par with any in history.

The “climate experts” that have been cited by syndicated columnist Tom Teepen and politician Al Gore in this newspaper are always anonymous and never brought into debate with climate experts who see things differently. Mr. S. is correct when he says that the eco-left is trying to make a power grab. What’s going on now is beginning to smell like the McCarthy era in the 1950s, and it scares me.

Here’s the crux of Thomas L. M.‘s argument - he disagrees with the position taken by syndicated columnist Tom Teepen, and former US Vice President Al Gore, and claims that they cite “climate experts” but do not reveal their identities, nor have them debate climate experts (sans quotations, signifying greater credibility) who see things differently.
This is not entirely true.  First, neither Teepen nor Gore are scientists, so they’re not actually required to outline their sources.  Their central claim, that the vast majority of environmental scientists have concluded that the data for Global Warming is compelling, and that human activity is, at least in part, responsible for this trend is well documented - even within various agencies of the US government.  For example, NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies has several recent, informative articles on global warming (here).  In addition, the National Climate Data Center Has a Global Warming FAQ that refutes Thomas’ arguments, as does the US Environmental Protection Agency, and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.  Further, a recent article by Science Magazine reviewed 928 peer reviewed articles on global climate change, and concluded that 75% agreed with the consensus view that human activity is responsible for most of the warming seen in the past 50 years.  The remaining 25% did not take any stance on the issue, and the article stated, “Remarkably, none of the papers disagreed with the consensus position.“ 

Now, this is also where the author takes a cheap shot at the “eco-left” by conflating and equating their goals and methods with those of Joseph McCarthy.  While the eco-left most likely has its own agenda, it’s not likely that it’s anything like that of the infamous Republican Senator from the great State of Wisconsin.

Look for many more global warming declarations and propaganda from the Democrats and the eco-left as we progress toward the 2008 elections. We’re going to be buried under an avalanche of it. Tell a big lie often enough and it stands a chance of being believed.


Here’s where the author tugs at your heart strings.  Be afraid of the scary, tree hugging Democrats.  They want to take your job away and bury you under an avalanche of propaganda.

Ironically, the part where he says, “Tell a big lie often enough and it stands a chance of being believed”, is actually true.

In the meantime, look for liberal Democrats, with Nancy Pelosi leading the way, to begin sponsoring anti-global warming bills, with each in turn increasing regulations on “greenhouse gases” and auto and manufacturing emissions, which go to the very heart and soul of our nation’s manufacturing economy.

Again, the suspenseful theme music plays in the background as liberals start to rise from the political netherworld of near complete powerlessness, and Nancy Pelosi leads the way toward the utter destruction of Baseball, Hot Dogs, Apple Pie, and Chevrolet.

I believe Democrats are willing to play a high-risk game with global climate change in their quest to control the things we produce and what we, as a “free people,“ can do in America.

Thomas, I appreciate your fear.  Your government has been telling you for years to fear change, and to fear your Democratic neighbors.  You’ve been played, however, since Democratic Americans are at least equal to Republican Americans in all things.

And I do believe that liberal Democrats would sell out our country to a higher world authority if they thought it would give them the power they truly desire to have. In doing so, they are playing a dangerous game with our democracy and our lives.

THOMAS L. M.

Fairhope, AL

OK - here’s where Thomas goes for the big finish.  Not only are evil Democratic Americans out to “hoodwink” the good Republican Americans, but they’re actually trying to subvert the very core of our democracy.  Up until the last couple paragraph, this actually seemed like a reasonable, though naive and poorly executed, argument that global warming is a myth.  Instead, as we see Thomas’ scientific argument collapse,  he relies more and more heavily on the Democratic bogeyman, claiming that the Democratic Party is somehow un-American and against workers.

More importantly, about one half of Thomas’ arguments are based on his belief, and his agreement with someone else’s beliefs.  If we were discussing a religious point, then this might add strength and credibility to his case.  Since, however, he’s arguing what is essentially a scientific point - about the existence of global warming and the role human activity plays in it - his beliefs are beside the point.  They’re irrelevant, and simply cloud the issue at hand.  Science, my friends, isn’t a democracy.  There are certainly debates among experts, often about subtle nuances of various theories.  In many cases, there isn’t any such thing as a “fair and balanced” view.  Beliefs aren’t particularly valuable.  Science is about evidence, and global warming is one of those cases in which the vast majority of the evidence is irrefutable - it exists, and we are playing an increasing role in it. 

Please, don’t simply take my word - I’m no climate expert. Instead, look at the evidence yourself. It’s all over the place for anyone who cares to read it.

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decrepitoldfool United States Posted on 02/07/2007 at 09:45 PM

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We’re talking about invoking a transition to prevent a disaster that would force transition anyway

That’s a really great way to put it.

Hopefully there will be no “last drop of oil” because long before that happens higher prices (a consequence of scarcity) will drive the development of alternatives.  But this is a case where the market will not move early enough to protect the environment, because the environment is not a buyer.  Adam Smith saw an important truth but it certainly isn’t the only truth in play.

Bahamat Great Britain (UK) Posted on 02/08/2007 at 01:22 PM

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I’m not sure whether or not market forces will be strong enough, here in the UK petrol prices are high because the infrastructure’s demand for oil is fairly inelastic of price, we may simply have massive inflation so that the last drops can be bought. The cost of everything made from oil or transported in an oil-burning vehicle, or made using electricity powered from oil, will go up, and that may cause inflation. People in the developed world may well starve because food won’t be delivered, and the commuting pattern will change very much, so we may need industry closer to home

You could say that inflations a good thing, that it’s the economy in overdrive and lots of things get done with money changing hands quickly, but I think beyond a certain point the human cost will outweigh any economic advantage in voters eyes, same for global warming, and war

The running out of oil may be the thing that stops global warming spiraling out of control, maybe not, I havn’t done the calculation of what would happen if you were to burn all of it, but the time it takes will be important as some is fixed back as sugars or carbonates, and you can’t just extrapolate on current use when oil cost and industrial growth are factored in.

Running out of oil may make us switch to coal and gas though, being cheaper to set up than nuclear. Gas burning makes less carbon emissions than coal as shorter hydrocarbons have a larger Hydrogen:Carbon ratio, because the terminus of a hydrocarbon chain has to bond to an extra hydrogen if it can’t bond to a carbon, if it is to have full valency. Ring hydrocarbons don’t necessarily have a terminus so size won’t change the H:C ratio, but the size of ring you can have is limited by ring strain

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decrepitoldfool United States Posted on 02/08/2007 at 01:48 PM

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Projections I’ve seen run towards that we have “enough” oil for present rates of consumption for maybe 50 years before shortages would become a big problem (lots of variables and disagreement there), and that we have literally hundreds of years worth of coal if we choose to keep making energy that way.

So we have enough carbon on hand to screw things royally if we want to.  confused

elwedriddsche United States Posted on 02/08/2007 at 03:24 PM

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DOF, given that our rate of consumption doubles every ten years, 50 years at current rates isn’t all much.

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Bahamat Great Britain (UK) Posted on 02/08/2007 at 05:50 PM

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I probably will live to see it, interesting times. Scary thing is that’s around the time I’ll be drawing pension, so if the economy goes kaput maybe I should start hording barrels of oil/petrol for when the prices rise - might get burned to death, but hell either way I won’t have to worry about poverty in old age that way smile

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LuckyJohn19 Australia Posted on 02/08/2007 at 07:24 PM

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The running out of oil may be the thing that stops global warming spiralling out of control

Nah, we’ll be rogered long before that.
I think we’ve already committed planetary suicide ... and the devil had nothing to do with it.
It’s all because women wanted us to get them MORE STUFF.

Bill Hicks: I’ve just figured out women. How the fall of man occurred in The Garden of Eden.
Adam & Eve are in the Garden of Eden and Adam says: Wow. Look at this, Eve.  Here we are at one with nature and at one with god; we’ll never age, we’ll never die, and all our dreams are realised the instant we think of them.
And Eve says: Yeah … it’s just not enough is it?

LOL

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Bahamat Great Britain (UK) Posted on 02/08/2007 at 07:51 PM

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And god said unto woman, “thou shalt shop”

World would be very different w/o women; I wonder what the economy would be like for a start, I’ve no idea why they take interest in jewlery, clothes, etc, or why they make so much effort socially - then again men have arbitary hobbies, but they tend to be cheaper
- and culture would be different, down to the daily life level. Men might also try to find other means of finding company wink (I had to find an inapropriate use for that emoticon)

Chemical description of women:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=women

I think that advert where a man gets his house re-organised with the toilet next to a beer fridge in front of the TV describes what men really want well, it’s perfection

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decrepitoldfool United States Posted on 02/08/2007 at 08:53 PM

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Reminds me of Mark Twain’s Diary of Adam and Eve really funny stuff

zilch Austria Posted on 02/09/2007 at 02:05 AM

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“What would men be without women?“
“Scarce, Sir, mighty scarce.“

- Mark Twain

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LuckyJohn19 Australia Posted on 02/09/2007 at 06:10 AM

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“What would men be without women?”
“Scared, Sir, mighty scared.”

John Gewin wink

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zilch Austria Posted on 02/09/2007 at 06:46 AM

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LOL LJ!  Although I must say, the longest time I spent without women was two weeks in jail, and that was a great experience.  Of course, the greatness had a lot to do with not being in jail before or after- I somehow doubt that spending years in jail is much fun.

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LuckyJohn19 Australia Posted on 02/10/2007 at 04:03 AM

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LOL  LJ!

Bummer, I can’t take credit when there was none due - I didn’t even think of it that way – I was being much softer and romantic.
Jeez, I woulda been clever if I had though - it’s quite funny, eh?  LOL

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Consigliere United States Posted on 02/10/2007 at 12:30 PM

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Patness Canada Posted on 02/10/2007 at 01:22 PM

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Once again, bland link.

We are uncertain as to the degree to which we cause global warming, and estimates vary. Models vary.

There is a list of things which we have no influence on which may influence global warming - increases in solar activity and volcanism are two that come to mind most prominently.

But there is no reasonably denying that we play a role in the warming of the planet in several ways. Ultimately, the article takes one glacier in one part of the world and uses that as a representative sample. It sidetracks the issue by removing it from it’s context, then making inferences on it.

The commenters had more good material than the article though.

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decrepitoldfool United States Posted on 02/10/2007 at 02:22 PM

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Once again, bland link.

Hey, don’t discourage him!  It’s better than the last three he put up. 

From the article:

The problem arises in the
possibility that, due to anthropogenic warming, warm phases will become longer and more severe, so that each time the glaciers go through a period of retreat like this, they won’t fully grow back and they will retreat farther the next time.

And since the scientific consensus (as opposed to the journalistic or political consensus) is that anthropogenic warming is on a long-term trend, we can expect to see more of the starts and fewer of the stops.  Given the stakes, we shouldn’t be complacent about it.

Climate is a turbulent phenomenon with some counterintuitive local effects. So everytime it snows (or a glacier slows down) someone is saying, the major trend is false.  Why bother gathering global data and modelling it with supercomputers?  Just look out the window.

Consigliere United States Posted on 02/10/2007 at 03:20 PM

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Patness:

But there is no reasonably denying that we play a role in the warming of the planet in several ways.

I would agree.  I take issue with the chicken little approach by some.  I’ve directed the link to DOF because from what I have read he has a more reasonable voice than many of the others on this thread that are more involved in their personal screed. I believe it’s possible to dialogue with him on some subjects, when he doesn’t get confused by emotion.

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decrepitoldfool United States Posted on 02/10/2007 at 03:44 PM

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Awww!  What a warm fuzzy.  smile  Thanks, Consi!

Lucky we have you around.  You never get confused by emotion.  There aren’t any issues where you just can’t get past yourself to the heart of the matter.

Seriously, I don’t know about you, but I am an emotional being.  So when I find a point of view attractive, I make an effort to grasp the arguments against it.  Somehow I have been unable to find the arguments against conservation, clean technology, and the economics of a clean environment, to be convincing.

Lordklegg Canada Posted on 06/20/2007 at 11:13 AM

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Here is an excellent editorial on solar input to the global weather cycle.

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financialpost/comment/story.html?id=597d0677-2a05-47b4-b34f-b84068db11f4

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zilch Austria Posted on 06/20/2007 at 11:38 AM

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Underwhelming, Lordklegg.  This looks to be just another “don’t listen to the commie environmentalists- global warming is a scam” pro-industry article.

Of course, there are lots of uncertainties, and there are conflicting data.  But the vast majority of climatologists who are not subsidized by industry say that global warming is real, it’s serious, and it’s manmade.  My money is on the scientists who aren’t selling CO2.

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Lordklegg Canada Posted on 06/20/2007 at 12:52 PM

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Fair enough.

My biggest issue is some of the best known names in science in Canada who have “jumped on the Global warming bandwagon” won’t discuss variations to their theories re:causes.  It’s like they have their fingers in their ears LA LA LA we’re right and you’re wrong.

Now don’t get me wrong here it’s obvious to any fool that the planetary average temp is curently clearly on the rise and so are CO2 levels.  However I keep coming across solar researchers who keep saying “you may be missing the real culprit”.
  I think I’ll wait for more evidence before I jump whole heartedly on the CO2 bandwagon.

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Webs United States Posted on 06/20/2007 at 01:22 PM

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That article was filled with a lot of BS.  I wish I could devote more time to it but I can’t right now.  Maybe later.  Anyways, the Sun does cause a lot of heating in cooling periods on our planet.  But nothing to the extent of what is happening right now.

But even if you don’t believe any of this just think about the simple fact that the Earth has never had as many carbon producing life forces as it does today.  In fact there have been more carbon producing creatures in the last 1000 years than there have been in the last billion.  And that isn’t going to have an effect?  How many billions of tons of carbon are being dumped into the atmosphere in the last 10 years?  And that isn’t going to have an effect?  To answer no is to completely dismiss any and all credible science that exists.

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Lordklegg Canada Posted on 06/20/2007 at 03:52 PM

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OK So I have a question. At the bottom of the article is says

“R. Timothy Patterson is professor and director of the Ottawa-Carleton Geoscience Centre, Department of Earth Sciences, Carleton University”

  So based on your opinions this is “just another “don’t listen to the commie environmentalists- global warming is a scam” pro-industry article.“ and “That article was filled with a lot of BS”. 
    So should we totally disregard the research of prominent scientists around the world because it goes against the accepted dogma of how climate change works becasue obviously his research conclusions must be incorrect?  Should we disregard the research of other scientists pointing in this direction because it does not fit the socially accept dogma?
  Should I have jumped on the global cooling bandwagon of the 70’s also?
  I could have sworn the point of science was to gather as much information as possible to have an informed conclusion.

  Perhaps DOG is heating up the plannet because man is evil and must be punished wink

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decrepitoldfool United States Posted on 06/20/2007 at 04:19 PM

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The “global cooling bandwagon of the ‘70’s” thing is a canard.  It was never a scientific concensus. It won’t surprise you to know that the media was comprised of idiots in the 1970’s just like now.  Some scientists suggested that was a possibility due to particulate reflection, a couple thought it was a strong possibility, and the media went nuts with it.  A handy excuse to ignore the much larger and better-studied body of data that exists today.

Webs United States Posted on 06/20/2007 at 04:29 PM

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Like I said, I don’t have time for a full dissection but here is the basics of my point.

So should we totally disregard the research of prominent scientists around the world because it goes against the accepted dogma of how climate change works becasue obviously his research conclusions must be incorrect?  Should we disregard the research of other scientists pointing in this direction because it does not fit the socially accept dogma?

No!  Normally I would expect someone in Timothy’s position to say something like, “Although humans contribute greatly to Global Warming, there is still a lot we have to uncover as we are now learning about the Sun’s roll… blah blah blah”

Instead here is what he states right from the beginning:

Politicians and environmentalists these days convey the impression that climate-change research is an exceptionally dull field with little left to discover.

Very very very untrue.  His starting premise, first sentence is riddled with errors.  No scientist and I have yet to hear any politicians (something he could of referenced but didn’t) say there is nothing left to study or discover.  What they say is that the evidence for Global Warming is large and not refuted by scientists.  So why are some still denying it.

Here is the next sentence, bolded words are my doing:

We are assured by everyone from David Suzuki to Al Gore to Prime Minister Stephen Harper that “the science is settled.“ At the recent G8 summit, German Chancellor Angela Merkel even attempted to convince world leaders to play God by restricting carbon-dioxide emissions to a level that would magically limit the rise in world temperatures to 2C.

Anyone who uses this kind of language obviously has a bias.  And he is missing the point of his “science is settled” statement which I explain above.

Liberal MP Ralph Goodale’s June 11 House of Commons assertion that Parliament should have “a real good discussion about the potential for carbon capture and sequestration in dealing with carbon dioxide, which has tremendous potential for improving the climate, not only here in Canada but around the world,“ would be humorous were he, and even the current government, not deadly serious about devoting vast resources to this hopeless crusade.

Again the language shows an obvious bias and actually makes an assumption, carbon capture and sequestration makes no impact, wastes resources, and is a hopeless crusade.  Something which is still being studied and being found to not be true.  In fact there is a new kind of sequestration method that appears promising.  But don’t be surprised if Timmy fails to mention it.

Climate stability has never been a feature of planet Earth. The only constant about climate is change; it changes continually and, at times, quite rapidly. Many times in the past, temperatures were far higher than today, and occasionally, temperatures were colder. As recently as 6,000 years ago, it was about 3C warmer than now. Ten thousand years ago, while the world was coming out of the thou-sand-year-long “Younger Dryas” cold episode, temperatures rose as much as 6C in a decade—100 times faster than the past century’s 0.6C warming that has so upset environmentalists.

The important thing he misses here is that the current warming temperatures are correlated with rising CO2 levels.  I don’t have a link to this data due to time constraints, but read Al Gore’s book or watch his documentary to see the data presented.  Basically as far back as we can go with temperature readings we can go back with CO2 readings and essentially the two correlate almost perfectly.

I could have sworn the point of science was to gather as much information as possible to have an informed conclusion.

I am by no means at all saying you fall into this crowd, but the True Believers™ and Conspirators will say the same thing about their causes.

To me it seems as though Timothy is more interested in confusing the understanding of Global Warming, or to dissuade public opinion on the issue than to actually present or interpret data and findings.  As I said, more will come when I have time.

Thanks for the link, Lordklegg.  I apologize for coming off as an ass. tongue wink

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Lordklegg Canada Posted on 06/20/2007 at 04:51 PM

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I hear you.
  It could also be said that he is “wrapped up in his own work”.  Is he interested in “confusing the understanding of Global Warming” or does he feel that others have already created the confusion and that his work poionts in a totally different cause/effect than the public consensus.  His point seems to be we are wasting resources trying to fix something that it is possible we cannot affect? i.e. global temperature change caused by solar activity or lack thereof. 
I am not arguing that he has a bias. Without actually being able to talk to him, assuming a political bias whereas it’s possibly a research based bias?  He has some to a politically and environmentally unpopular conclusion via hs research.

I have to get back to work.  I will not return here until I have left the office as it’s too much fun.

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