A searchable list of those missing since the London bombings

Additions and amendments can be made to the list to update victim status and location. This site appears to be the only one online at this time.

Allaah knows the best

Within a few hours after the London attack hit the American media, a pipe bomb was dropped off at the grocery store where I take my little people to buy our food. It was discovered before it went off, so no one was hurt. There was no terrorist cell connection, but likely just a local nut job with the know-how.

There is such a willingness to blame religion for terrorism (among other things), and I just have to call bullshit. There is so much more going on than people who put too much stock in a book that reads “kill people.“ Take abortion clinic bombers for instance. Those people are not motivated by the Bible. They are motivated by a passionate belief that the murders of babies are happening in those clinics (crazy or not). The Bible and the Christian religion serve as no more than a rallying cry and maybe a twisted defense (much like lawyers find loopholes in the law). The same is true for radical Muslims.

Someone else can give a history lesson if one is needed, but if you listen to/read what is said by, say, angry Iraqis, it is clear the point of religion is almost moot. Take a young boy who has just watched his home and family get blown to pieces. Say to him, “join me in the name of God (Allah, whatever) to end this atrocity.“ If he goes, his motive is not his religion; it is revenge, it is his passionate belief that the US has wronged his people, his family etc. His religion serves as common ground with the people around him, and it also serves to comfort his fears (particularly of the afterlife.) It serves as support for the boy in the example and for others less directly affected by those examples often given by relatives and neighbors.

Now that is not to say some vulnerable people are not ever fooled into wrong-doing by religious leaders. If that were true, cults would not be so dangerous.

That is to say people in Iraq, Afghanistan, and other places have motive enough to join a fight against the United States without religion. Religion is just an agitator, and in some cases, not even that. I would bet religion as the motive is actually rare. It seems to me that even if religion and guns and bombs were annihilated, this fight would be fought with swords and slingshots and a strong, even if misguided, sense of justice. It seems to me then, that the problem is bigger than religion, and to focus on religion is to be distracted. Considering their religion is essential, but blaming it is denial.

I think. At the moment.

There is such a willingness to blame religion for terrorism (among other things), and I just have to call [this] bullshit.

Very, very true !
Finally an observation that reaches beyond mere ideological beliefs to find facts; This is a truly lost American Art.

Religion has very little to do with the current manifestation of global terrorism:

In Iraq…
The average Iraqi is, in stark contrast to the wider MidEast, very nationalistic. While this nationalism fosters a certain toleration for the insurgency, and a simmering dislike for the standing occupation, religion is (increasingly) playing a minor role in this conflict.  The Iraqi insurgency falls under two types: Secularist-Sunni or Islamic Extremist.  Most Iraqis, when asked, passionately hate the Islamic Extremists’ faction, and find very little in common with their radical religious rhetoric, never mind terrorist operations.  People like Muq’tda alSadr are very out-of-favour in present day Iraq, never mind a guy like Zarqawi.

The Palestinian/Israeli conflict…
Most Westerners, easily and stupidly, focus this conflict upon religious differences.  This is just laziness.  Many of both intifadah’s leadership are Christian, not Islamic.  This is a nation-to-nation conflict about land, and has nothing really to do with religion.

alQaeda’s War Against The West…
Very much akin to techniques developed by Jim Jones and his handlers, alQaeda’s core leadership has used religion as a fast-acting organisational glue, quickly bonding together people from fairly disparate backgrounds to do extremely difficult/distasteful things in a moment’s notice.  alQaeda has far more to do with fascism than it ever has had with the Islamic religion.
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When i first started studying UBL, alZawahri, and alQaeda in general the first thing you notice is their decidedly secular lifestyles and backgrounds prior to their terrorist activities.  This pattern holds true throughout alQaeda’s core leadership.

Although Jim Jones was always very religious (and a very good Nazarene by all accounts as a child (monkey in tow)), his use of religious faith is almost clinical in its application during his Peoples’ Temple phase.  If you read about alQaeda’s (or, say, Islamic Jihad’s) preparatory steps for would-be suicide bombers, you’ll see the same exact mentality used by Jones (e.g., suicide-bombers are, as a rule, usually high on drugs when they are deployed to kill themselves and others).  Islam, for alQaeda, is merely the delivery mechanism for actions an individual would otherwise find absolutely distasteful.

It’s easy to blame religion for this present phase of global terrorism, until you examine the facts.

In 2004 the administration angered the Brits by leaking the name of Naeem Noor Khan precipitating premature arrests in an ongoing investigation. Since the London bombing I have wondered if, had that investigation run its course, the recent bombings might have been prevented or, at least, delayed.

This ABC News article  confirms my suspicion.

Security officials tell ABC News they have discovered links between the eldest of the London bombers, Mohammed Sadique Khan, 30, and the original group in Luton. Officials also believe it was not a coincidence the subway bombers all met at the Luton train station last week.

“It is very likely this group was activated last year after the other group was arrested,“ Debat said.

I don’t think this bombing had anything to do with Afghanistan or Iraq….it’s all just an excuse for evil. Hitler needed no excuse, and these idiots are the same. If it’s a retaliation attack, where does 9/11 come into it? I am not a Muslim, I hold no religious beliefs, nor do I know anyone who is a Muslim. I have the deepest respect and sympathy for a people who are having their ancient religion brought into disrepute. I have always, in my restricted understanding admittedly, believed Islam to be a peaceful and profound religion. I still hold that belief.

These people are just your average yob, hell-bent on destroying everyone else’s good times. I don’t think any forces should pull out of Afghanistan or Iraq…unless the people want them to. I think the British, Americans and Native forces should go all out to hunt the terrorists down and destroy them, and if they pop up again, they should hunt them down again. Why should the few wreak havoc for the many? Don’t forget, Muslims are the victims too.