What is the strangest thing you believe to be true?

Posted by Spocko on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 at 05:47 AM. Read 5065 times. Tags:
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The guys at MemeTherapy have been running a series of interesting threads about Strange Beliefs over the last few weeks. It’s a fun read. I thought the kind folks here at the Bastard’s might like to give it a try.

Their question:
“What is the strangest thing you believe to be true?“

My response…

At first glance this question appears simple enough. I can think of many fascinating subjects I have read about over the years; nanotech, “gray goo”, 11-dimensional space, relativity, the possibility of time travel, quantum entanglement, wave particle duality, virtual reality. There flows a never ending stream of ideas that wells up from the spring that is the Mind of Man. I could have selected any item from this list, or more, and would have provided a reasonably interesting response. How does one choose from such a fantastical array of knowledge? Technology can indeed appear strange or magical to one unfamiliar with a particular field of study. Some feel that medical wonders, from stem-cell research and genetic engineering to face transplants, are the definition of the word “strange”. Others may perceive the political and ideological mindset of their “enemies” to be the pinnacle of the eldritch.

But to ask an atheist what he “believes” to be true introduces quite a different “texture” to the question posed. The meaning of the word “believe” may easily be misconstrued. I am often bewildered by the multiple usage of some words from the English language. To some, “belief” is only given to that which has overwhelming evidence to support it, such evidence that there is no point to even use the word “believe”. Does one say: “I believe the sky is blue”? No. We say: “The sky is blue”. We can test this statement through many types of observation, experimentation, and verification. We know the sky is blue. Some use the word “believe” in the same manner that they use the word “think”, e.g. “I believe I’ll have another beer!“ - the two words are interchangeable here. Then we come, of course, to the most common meaning of the word “believe”, that equivalent to “faith”; acceptance of a proposition without any need, or desire, for supporting evidence whatsoever.

I avoid the use of the words “believe” and “belief” because of their imprecise usage. There are, however, certain words I’ll use in spite of their misuse. For example, I have no qualms stating that I’m an “atheist” even though that word has been intentionally misused and demonized, perhaps since its inception. An atheist is simply one who does not believe. To be an atheist one need only answer “no” to the question “Do you believe [in god(s)]?“ No further assertion is made.

I prefer to use the verb “know” instead of “believe” and, like Great Lady Science, accept that knowledge can be transitory and must evolve as new evidence is discovered. Ironically, my answer to the question “What is the strangest thing you know to be true?“ would bring me back to the issue of faith.

The strangest thing I know of is the ability of the human mind to accept the most incredible of statements by the simple application of the magic word “faith”. How is it that, in the 21st century, we still have people that believe the world is only 6000 years old in light of the evidence from various fields of science in support of its vastly older age? How can one ignore mounds of fossil evidence for the progression of evolution and only see the “gaps”. What is it that allows the brilliant scientist who, otherwise, demands empirical data to advance his theories, to assert that there is a god when no one has presented any evidence to corroborate the existence of said deity? Is it a mental blind spot, a type of intellectual laziness used to avoid investigating fully the reason one believes one fable over another?

This strange thing called faith intrigues me. I have studied several of the mythologies of various civilizations throughout history and I find the subject fascinating. The majority of us appear to be so desperate for answers that we will accept any concept of reality that we are subjected to at an early age. We indoctrinate our children into a system of thought handed down by our progenitors and our children will usually teach their own children the same vision; the meme propagates. The evolution of religion presents the prime example of this strange ability to close the mind to healthy skepticism and reason. I wonder if we have herein evidence for the existence of a parasitic meme, one that propagates from the pulpit and lives in symbiosis with those that hunger for its anesthetic affects.

I look forward to a future where such strange ideas as faith and belief have faded into obscurity and disrepute as have the gods of old. A future where the unknown is regarded as an opportunity, not an enemy to be feared and obscured by the blinders of myth.

What’s the strangest thing you “believe”?

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Godless Raven Canada Posted on 09/30/2006 at 01:29 AM

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lmfao! Are you still at it Fraiser Crane?

You’ve already proven exactly what you can bring to a serious debate. Your man boobs. That’s about it.

Curious, when you say that you are in so so shape, should I assume that means you got in to so so shape after that photo was taken?

“Mr Hayes” Now that is pretty funny. My writing pseudonym. Geezus. And to think, it takes a google search under my email address to get that. I’ve got 2 other pen names when I write on politics and religion. I wonder if you can find them…Fraser You should be a detective. Are you stalking me? *shiver* Actually, some nutcase did this once about a year ago. He searched my email address from “yahoo” *laugh* and kept trying to trace me and he tried other means and he tried starting up conversations with me under another screen name to try get me to tell him my name and he ended up getting in a lot of trouble for it. Well, because he threatened to physically harm my family and well…that’s just not a very smart thing to do. You did pretty much threaten me, but not my family. Hmmm…Something I’ll have to think about. I guess we’ll have to see how close you get to my real name and how you continue to speak to me.

You are a pretty worthless POS you know…I mean…what are you in your 40’s? And you flirt with an internet “girl”? Is she your girlfriend? Romantic cyber drinks and dates. Wow! Your family must be incredibly proud. You’re probably infatuated with a 50 year old transtesticle and either don’t know it, or don’t care. Something we DO have in common. I should get a divorce and search the internet for a cyber woman. It must be nice. Your in so so shape online aren’t you fatty boobs? You know those websites where they rate peoples photos for attractiveness? (I’m sure you do Mr Internet Romeo…) well, I wonder what kind of a reaction you would get with a comment about your so so shaped body. Is “so so” Japanese for big fat bastard? Just curious.


Les - Nice site you’ve got here. “...what the fuck is wrong with you people?“ Indeed. Indeed.

Godless Raven Canada Posted on 09/30/2006 at 01:43 AM

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I’m pretty sure you’ve taken too many of blows to the head of a different variety. I just happen to believe in having a strong mind and body. Based on KP’s photo, and his converation skills, he certain disagrees with me there as well.

You two really are pretty pathetic.

I’ve never actually postulated what my theory is on here. I asked people to watch that video and then discuss the science with me. It’s not my fault you were both incapable (I guess like your inability to have real social lives too…)

Anyway…I’ve spoken to the people I had recommended this website to. Luckily I had recommended two others that I’ve posted at for a lot longer and was able to let them know exactly what you can expect on here. *laugh* It’s actually pretty funny. When I first came here I thought based on the appearance and title of the page that it was incredibly misleading. I really should have known better. Outside of the conversations on evolution and Patness…it’s all pretty much as it seems.

*shrug* It actually makes no difference whatsoever to my life. It is what it is.

KP - Do you two have cyber children? Just curious. (not really)

Brooks United States Posted on 09/30/2006 at 02:01 AM

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why are anonymous negative commentors so repulsive?

Different crowd over at the busblog, but I think the first two paragraphs work well here. It’s not the perfect post, but I’m reminded of it a lot when I’m reading comment threads.

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Godless Raven Canada Posted on 09/30/2006 at 02:07 AM

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Funny how you assbags jumped all over me calling me a conspiracy theorist when I never actually said what my theory was. I just asked for opinions on the chemistry and physics of that day. Funny in a…really pathetic way. I did scroll through a lot of the archieves and there are several more examples of this. Hah.

My theory around 911 is mainly to do with the way the towers went down and what I know about sciences. I do not believe they could have come down without controlled demolition. So you all start telling me that I believe it was an inside job…interesting. Man boobs here even goes further and makes a physical threat towards me. Their are only two things intellectual about this site that I’ve encountered…Patness and the perceived illusion that the rest of you hold in regards to your own IQ. I also liked John, but that’s moot.

Here’s a classic from the old archieves:

Do you actually expect to publish a book with your grammer? None of the editors that I know would even look at your work if you compose sentences like that. You realy should try college, or maybe just a basic high school english class.

Of course anyone who would publish goofy crap like what you’re trying to write probably isn’t too concerned with quality anyway….

Oh irony…sweet sweet irony.

*laugh*

Godless Raven Canada Posted on 09/30/2006 at 02:10 AM

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KP - Fat…boring…and stupid…I guess that would make you - what they call in the world of internet dating - a “triple threat”!?  smile

Godless Raven Canada Posted on 09/30/2006 at 02:14 AM

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Now I get it…you really are a detective. Must be all those episodes of Remington Steele that you watched. rolleyes

Godless Raven Canada Posted on 09/30/2006 at 02:15 AM

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I’m just saying if an internet relationship is as good as it gets for you…maybe posting your photo is *not* the best way to go about it. Unless, this IS your fake photo and your actual one is even worse. *shiver*

Godless Raven Canada Posted on 09/30/2006 at 02:19 AM

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Here’s an actual photo of “Sexy Sadie” ...

I mean…look at yourself and think about where you are in life…did you really expect more? Come on now. Be real. wink

If you took her on an actual date to the top of the Empire State Building (which I’ve been and it’s worth the visit) airplanes would immediately be deployed to try shoot her down.

Godless Raven Canada Posted on 09/30/2006 at 02:22 AM

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Actually KP, let me give you a small word of advice…*whisper* it’s called gynocomestia. Or “bitch tits” and you can get them surgically removed. Sometimes they are caused by steroid abuse, but clearly based on your so so shape…you haven’t ever used those. So…I’m pretty confident that they were man made man boobs, created by good old fashioned Twinkies, Dorritos (come on, you know your keyboard is totally orange), laziness, lack of job or any physical activity, and really, really bad genetics. You should probably look in to a good plastic surgeon, because you can get that taken care of for about $10,000.00 US. What’s that in food stamps? I have no idea. I don’t really care. Ever wonder if yours are bigger than “hers”?

Godless Raven Canada Posted on 09/30/2006 at 02:27 AM

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The two of you should have a wet t-shirt contest…oh wait…hard to do when you don’t actually know each other in person.

Should I offer you a cyber tissue? I would, but I’m not so sure you’d use it for your tears. (you know what I mean cyber Romeo).

Oh yeah, one more thing fatty tits McGee…

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Godless Raven Canada Posted on 09/30/2006 at 02:29 AM

Patness Canada Posted on 09/30/2006 at 02:30 AM

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Well…. the issue I think I have with the idea of trying to formulate it is a matter of dedicated time, available resources, and possible payout. I’m a student, and I want to affect social change through video games. I’m also big on learning from history and holding government accountable.

Even if we were witness to another Black Emperor, razing his own city for his own gain, what good would it serve? We are aware of evil in the world, here and elsewhere. The moral value in killing is none the stronger simply because we are aware of it. Every day, good people die unfairly, without our explicit say-so - and often with it.

The killing of civilians, by intention or by oversight, and especially regarding those civilians that you are charged to protect, happened again with Katrina. Katrina is, in some ways, comparable to the World Trade Center in that it is a situation that was treated unfittingly - in the events leading up to it and afterward, that lead to the deaths of innocent people. With Katrina the focus is a bit more on after, rather than before. We have a government of, at best, innocently distracted and lethally neglectful people. I’m sure Bush is a good person with a glossy-eyed view of the future, but the man needs some Visine and he needs to help rebuild a country he’s helped run into the ground.

We’ve had all the evidence we needed to see that the gov’t is to be ashamed of. I believe that, although 9/11 will go down “in infamy”, this period of the US government itself will be a historical scar, and a reminder of our role in the regulation of government. I hope it’s enough to help steer my children’s generation away from where we’re headed.

You may be making the same mistake the government is - 9/11 is not the lesson, at least not in light of the events that followed it. It can teach us nothing we weren’t aware of, anymore. 9/11 has been exploited beyond all but my wildest dreams (nightmares). Since that time, worse acts have been committed by our own people. And, given the limit to our own resources, limits to our skillset and the limit of evidence that is still available to be analyzed, I’d say it’s best to forget about it. There are bigger fish which we are far more capable of frying.

I appreciate the offer, though. It is flattering.

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Godless Raven Canada Posted on 09/30/2006 at 02:36 AM

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Patness - I agree with that statement. I also appreciate your answer and reasons.

I’m done on this website (if you couldn’t guess by the last few posts I’ve made to my new internet stalker).

If you don’t mind, can we talk politics in email in your spare time? I’ve posted my email on here, if you are up for it, please do.

Thanks,

GR

zilch Austria Posted on 09/30/2006 at 02:37 AM

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No irony, Raven?  You got it, for this one post anyway.  I don’t know whether that will suffice to raise my rank above the peons here, but I don’t really care.

I’m no engineer, but I do know a bit about steel, since I work with it on a regular basis.  I’m an instrumentmaker, and I make most of my own tools.  That means forging steel.  Now, since most of the tools I make are rather small, I don’t usually need a lot of heat- I can forge with a plain old butane torch.  I can’t get anywhere near the melting point of steel with it- I can heat a rod until it’s orange, which you could also do with jet fuel, and it stays straight.  But- you can bend it with the lightest pressure, and hammer it flat with ease.  I think this is perhaps pertinent to the beams of the WTC.  As Les and Patness said, you don’t have to melt steel to compromise its strength.

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Godless Raven Canada Posted on 09/30/2006 at 02:37 AM

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That’s it for me.

I’d like to say it’s been a pleasure, but outside of the evolution chit chat…it hasn’t.

Life is full of experiences and I guess…this was one. *shakes his head*

Godless Raven Canada Posted on 09/30/2006 at 02:40 AM

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(zilch - You have to do a lot more than bend a couple of floors of steel to make 76 floors below it completely disintigrate as it’s falling offering absolutely no resistance whatsoever. That’s not possible and to have it happen three times in one day because of two planes is…beyond probability. I tried to discuss it but I no longer care. Thanks anyway. And yes, you are right about bending metal. That has nothing to do with what happened on 911. Peace.)

Brooks United States Posted on 09/30/2006 at 02:42 AM

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Wow. Raven’s teenager started posting.

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Patness Canada Posted on 09/30/2006 at 02:46 AM

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Thanks for the offer, but I’m turning down, GR. No offense meant, but I have bad luck when it comes to people in general and extend my relationships to a select few - typically to those whose asses are not outside the reach of my worn boots.

One would think I am a good judge of character, but my experience tells me otherwise. Sorry.

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EyesOnly Great Britain (UK) Posted on 09/30/2006 at 03:25 AM

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Just to add my 2 cents worth.


It is a credit to the architects and builders of the WTC that they remained standing for as long as they did following the plane strikes and allowed the evacuation of many thousands of people.

Rick Rescorla is a national hero, one among many from that terrible day.

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LuckyJohn19 Australia Posted on 09/30/2006 at 06:02 AM

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Rave: You make a point. Now, I’d like to try something but you’ll have to be patient, because I want to respond to Les first and then I would like to see if the two of you are interested in actually doing this right.

If I were you I’d go and see someone about ... about ... you’re a control freak, sweety, and if you don’t get your own way you morph back into the childhood tantrums that, I’m sure, used to work.
If you get older you’ll realise what was at the base of all your martial arts lessons - Zen stuff - ‘go with the flow’ and ‘water off a duck’s back’ come to mind.
You may recall Sun-tzu suggesting:

“Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponent’s fate.“

Do you realised you fucked up ... big-time?
I hope I can two-finger type my thoughts out before I get taken over by the copious amounts of mind-altering substances I love indulging in and I’ve got Bessie Smith and Satchmo doing St Louis Blues. KISS …
You came here soft and subtle – pulled some chains and won me over with your amusing ability to string words together. I know I’m an easy mark – I trust far too easily and far too quickly.  smile
Then you hit us with the conspiracies and got the wrong response.
Instead of leaving it alone you chose to think that only YOU had all the answers and the rest of the world was mad.
I like using understatement – how does one understate the word arrogant? (It was rhetorical wink)
Grow the fuck up, boy.
I don’t give a fuck how many degrees you have – they don’t prove wisdom and I hope one day you realise it.
Now, I’m not the sharpest tool in existence but even I can see you’re in a different zone from me - I mean, like, ummm, I thought I was a little mad and eccentric.  LOL
You’ve made me feel sane - not quite as erudite as you but ... sanity’s good.  smile Thankyou.  wink
As Brock said many months ago - 5 - 4 - 3 – 2 -

Zilch: I’m an instrumentmaker

I wondered about that – I knew if I waited long enough you’d elaborate as to whether you were a lute-maker, a flute-maker or worked with harder stuff.  smile
Thanks, mate.
And now Nigel Kennedy is playing Hungarian Dance #5 - I love gypsy sounding stuff.
There are probably better violinists than Roby Lakatos but he’s not bad.

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zilch Austria Posted on 09/30/2006 at 06:08 AM

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Ahem.  Now back to our regularly scheduled program…

I guess the strangest thing I believe to be true is that life originated from nonlife.  It’s mindboggling, but it must be true.

Speaking of music- this year is Mozart year (born 250 years ago in Salzburg) and of course Austria is going bonkers.  I’ve managed to stay Mozart-free all year so far, but today I broke down and put on one of my favorite recordings- an old one of the Clarinet Quintet, with the Budapest String Quartet and Benny Goodman.  Not many people remember that Goodman was also a fine classical clarinetist, and the lilting, just a tiny bit jazzy way he plays here, would have pleased Mozart too, I bet.  It certainly pleases me.

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Consigliere United States Posted on 09/30/2006 at 10:03 AM

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I guess the strangest thing I believe to be true is that life originated from nonlife.  It’s mindboggling, but it must be true.

Tis not a must.  Tis a maybe if we are generous.

Wasn’t there some experimental thingamajigger that was done by some Italian with a jar and meat and maggots that put the baby to rest on this one? 

Sounds familiar though doesn’t it?  I know where I’ve heard this before….it’s a version of I can’t explain it so God did it, just flipped around for an atheist.

It is a characteristic of the true believer in religion, philosophy and ideology that he must have a set of beliefs, come what may (Hoffer, 1951). Belief in a primeval soup on the grounds that no other paradigm is available is an example of the logical fallacy of the false alternative. Hubert Yockey, 1992. Information Theory and Molecular Biology, p. 336,

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zilch Austria Posted on 09/30/2006 at 10:21 AM

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Okay, Consi, I’ll take back that “must”.  It’s a “maybe” in the sense of “Maybe the Earth is orbiting the Sun”.  Do you have a rational alternative?

You’re not serious about the maggot stuff, are you?  If you are, you’ve got some research to do about abiogenesis.  Clue: the ability of sterilized meat to generate maggots in a few weeks is not exactly comporable to the ability of the Earth to generate primitive life forms in several hundred million years.

If you weren’t serious about the maggots, okay, that’s pretty funny. LOL

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Consigliere United States Posted on 09/30/2006 at 10:28 AM

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Do you have a rational alternative?

I do. 

The maggots line is for the benefit of our wider audience. More effective than omne vivum ex ovo, don’t you think?  smile

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Consigliere United States Posted on 09/30/2006 at 10:32 AM

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Double dipping:

Do you have a rational alternative?

I meant to add, that I don’t have to have one.  That was the point.  That you need one lumps you into the same category as a True Believer, just with a different god.

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