Virgin Mary image appears on a fence post. Religious-types freak out.

Posted by Les on Friday, January 31, 2003 at 03:36 PM. Read 9726 times. Tags: , , , ,
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Seems the folks down in Australia are getting a little of the old holy-image-appears-on-random-object-Christians-start-acting-like-total-whack-jobs fun of their own as of late. So says The Sydney Morning Herald:

Hundreds of believers flocked to the Coogee Beach headland yesterday to witness what they say is an apparition of the Virgin Mary.

Scores more hiked up the cliff path to touch, kiss and pray to the post which over the past few days has been transformed into something of a shrine, with pictures of the virgin, rosary beads and flowers piled around the white-washed fence.

Some wept, others sang, most prayed. As the sunlight reflected off a crook in the fence throughout the afternoon, hundreds claimed they could discern the shape of a veiled figure, and most agreed it was “Our Lady”.

They kissed a fence post?! Do they not realize that dogs tend to urinate on fence posts? I suppose that’s a little better than rubbing their naked asses against it.

This is one of those things about Christians that I just don’t understand. First off, why would Jesus and his Mother spend so much time drawing pictures of themselves into various random objects such as trees, fence posts, office building windows, or whatever other random inanimate object happens to be around at the time when they could do a much better job of letting people know they really exist by, say, materializing in the middle of the Today show set and performing an undeniable miracle such as making Al Roker actually interesting, or at least entertaining, to watch? Huh? Is that too much of a miracle for the King of Kings to pull off? I realize I’m asking a lot here.

No, instead we get nothing but pathetic doodles that have less artistic merit than something produced by a blind epileptic quadriplegic. Artistically speaking, Jesus should stick to turning water into wine and leave the art stuff to the professionals.

Secondly (yeah, I did have more questions), why the hell when one of these shoddy self-portraits appear do all the Christians in the immediate vicinity feel they have to:

A) rush immediately to the site in question
B) touch, rub, kiss, fondle, molest, pray, cry, or faint
C) generally make a nuisance of themselves?

They do that by clogging streets, leaving various “gifts” (someone eventually has to pick that shit up), trampling people’s lawns and just generally not doing anything productive or important despite all the problems they cause by being there. What the fuck is wrong with these people?

When was the last time you heard of a bunch of Jews freaking out because a vague image of some holy figure of their’s showed up on someone’s kreplach? How the last time you heard about a load of Muslims spazzing because one of them saw the face of Mahomet appear in the pattern of the wood grain of some random door someplace? You never hear about that sort of thing.

Occasionally the Hindus will make a big deal out of a statue of one of their various Gods they have supposedly drinking milk, but that’s about the only other religious group I can think of that has anything close to what the Christians are constantly reporting and it’s about a dumb as the idea of Jesus drawing bad pictures of himself everywhere.

Whatever. There are days when I’m feeling particularly evil that I just know there’s a great set of pranks to be pulled using this affinity of Christians to practically wet themselves over this sort of thing. One of these days I may have to see if I can pull it off.

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Les United States Posted on 05/27/2003 at 07:12 PM

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If nothing else, you’re at least predictable. Me get mad? No. Highly amused, though.

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ventricleman United States Posted on 05/27/2003 at 07:58 PM

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i dont think that im the predictable one here.  pretty much all that you do is make fun of people.  (please remember, i believe that you are justified b/c youre supposed to do it.  i understand why you do it now.  this is your “escape”.) to me, your....problem with destroying people is that they are never really destroyed unless they join your side, because when they immediatly dont, you break them down.  you sure seem to know alot about people, but not alot about yourself.  you sure dont care about alot of things.  i wonder why you made this pointless website...oh yes, to fulfill your apparent fetish with destroying people and making them into one of you. i doubt that they really want to, because im sure that your lifestyle is immensly depressing.  but you “release” them from their former selves and let them wallow with you in depression.  btw, have i told you that you should seek help?  you sound depressed.  (perhaps this has something to do with your fetish?) here, why dont you take a week off of your little site and actually DO something for a change.  perhaps you are atheist b/c all you see is your walls and computer, and you never really get out.  therefore, you have nothing to live for.  well, im rambling on.  im sure that youll dissect my entire comment like you usually do and add in your little quirks that make you feel good.  i hope you take my advice, “Les”, because then you could stop being depressed.

oh yeah--the reason i put quotations around your name is because, well, what kinna name is “Les”?  obviously, i hope you made the assumption that my name ISNT ventricleman, or how you would like to call it, testicleman (rather....demeaning.  you know, depressed emotions, such as homosexuality are often represented by the demeaning of others.  and this testicle thing...hmmm, put two and two together...) anyway, i hope les isnt your real name, otherwise...well you have a weird name in my opinion. 

-ventricleman

Eric Paulsen United States Posted on 05/27/2003 at 08:10 PM

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That is a good question “Les” (if that IS your real name). What kind of name is that anyhow? Is it Jewish?

I have been laughing for the last 5 minutes over this, has it finally come down to name calling?

Les United States Posted on 05/27/2003 at 09:35 PM

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It certainly looks that way, doesn’t it Eric? I don’t know how much longer I can keep this up. Good old Corpuscleman has got me all figured out. I may have met my match in this battle of wits. It’s almost like watching the American military roll all over the Iraqi’s only without all the cool military hardware. Esophagusman sure is amazing. If I laugh much harder my sides are going to split.

Oh, that’s right, I’m supposed to be depressed. Forget my mentioning laughing. Sobbing! That’s what I was doing! I was sobbing at how devastated I feel over his brutally witty assault! Oh woe is me! *snicker*

And, yes, my name really is Les. Even shows up on my monthly paycheck. I don’t think I’m Jewish, though I am circumcised so I could be. Will have to double check that.

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ventricleman United States Posted on 05/29/2003 at 05:22 PM

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I have been laughing for the last 5 minutes over this, has it finally come down to name calling?

let me think back for a minute on the posts that weve had...YOU were the first two people (im speaking of eric and “Les") who brought out the pubescent humor.  obviously, niether of you have grown up.  i guess this is your midlife crisis.  missing your childhood perhaps?

It’s almost like watching the American military roll all over the Iraqi’s only without all the cool military hardware.

oh god, not another one of those anti war protestors.  i doubt that you cared about those people BEFORE this america you speak of liberated iraq.

Oh, that’s right, I’m supposed to be depressed. Forget my mentioning laughing. Sobbing! That’s what I was doing! I was sobbing at how devastated I feel over his brutally witty assault! Oh woe is me! *snicker*

deep down, “Les”, im sure that you are depressed.  remember, denial is the first stage of acceptance!  stick in there squirt!

And, yes, my name really is Les. Even shows up on my monthly paycheck. I don’t think I’m Jewish, though I am circumcised so I could be. Will have to double check that.

i REALLY didnt need to know about your penile state.  i could care less, in fact I NEVER WANTED TO KNOW.  i dont know why you brought that out.  in fact, why dont you NOT tell me, okay? 

-ventricleman

Les United States Posted on 05/29/2003 at 05:41 PM

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let me think back for a minute on the posts that weve had...YOU were the first two people (im speaking of eric and “Les") who brought out the pubescent humor.  obviously, niether of you have grown up.  i guess this is your midlife crisis.  missing your childhood perhaps?

There is a difference between pubescent humor and simple name-calling. Have I grown up? In some ways, yes, in others, no. Some would say there is wisdom in never fully growing up.

oh god, not another one of those anti war protesters.  i doubt that you cared about those people BEFORE this america you speak of liberated iraq.

What makes you think I care about them now? No, I wasn’t an anti-war protester. I did bitch about the methods and reasons for how we went to war quite a bit, but I didn’t go out and protest it.

deep down, “Les”, im sure that you are depressed.  remember, denial is the first stage of acceptance!  stick in there squirt!

If being depressed feels this good then I hope I never recover cause I’m having a great time! You certainly seem to think you know a lot about me and how I feel “deep down.” But then when you live in your own little fantasy world I’d imagine it must be easy to know everything.

i REALLY didnt need to know about your penile state.  i could care less, in fact I NEVER WANTED TO KNOW.  i dont know why you brought that out.  in fact, why dont you NOT tell me, okay?

What I want to know it why you keep coming back to this site? Perhaps you “deep down” secretly like hearing about my “penile state.” Based on all the email I get from people hoping to help me increase the size of my penis I can only assume that quite a lot of people care about my “penile state.” You’d almost think it was a major topic of discussion across the nation what with all the emails I get from people about it. Any day now I expect to see a headline on CNN.com: NATION CONSUMED WITH WORRY OVER THE STATE OF “LES’S” PENIS! URGES HIM TO INCREASE IT BY TWO TO THREE INCHES!

Heh, I’m having a lot of fun just saying “penile state” now. That’s one of the funniest things you’ve said so far.

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ventricleman United States Posted on 05/29/2003 at 07:09 PM

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Have I grown up? In some ways, yes, in others, no.

no wonder your so fucked up.

Some would say there is wisdom in never fully growing up.

well, thats an advantage of not living in a third world country.  do they have a childhood?  I SERIOUSLY DOUBT IT.  in fact, you are living off of them not getting a “fullfilled life” like you are.  which brings us to our next topic.  your....lack of care for iraq.

What makes you think I care about them now? No, I wasn’t an anti-war protester. I did bitch about the methods and reasons for how we went to war quite a bit, but I didn’t go out and protest it.

sounds like you, a worthless crybaby that complains at a bitching station like your website.  did anything come out of it?  NO.  i think that the previous question should be said at your funeral.  “he was a vibrant man online, but...in the REAL WORLD, he was nothing.” i’ll be sure to play “and another one bites the dust” at the reception.

If being depressed feels this good then I hope I never recover cause I’m having a great time! You certainly seem to think you know a lot about me and how I feel “deep down.” But then when you live in your own little fantasy world I’d imagine it must be easy to know everything.

well, i “seem to know alot about you” b/c ive been having a “post conversation” with you since the beginning of may.  and my fantasy world?  it sure as hell seems alot more realistic than yours.  and alot more useful too.  oh well, “dream on”, huh?  thats the american...fantasy, which you have so gleefully accepted.  i doubt that any nationalist group or “terrorist”, for that matter really cares about the wonderful life that you are having in their wake.

What I want to know it why you keep coming back to this site? Perhaps you “deep down” secretly like hearing about my “penile state.” Based on all the email I get from people hoping to help me increase the size of my penis I can only assume that quite a lot of people care about my “penile state.” You’d almost think it was a major topic of discussion across the nation what with all the emails I get from people about it. Any day now I expect to see a headline on CNN.com: NATION CONSUMED WITH WORRY OVER THE STATE OF “LES’S” PENIS! URGES HIM TO INCREASE IT BY TWO TO THREE INCHES!

look, i came to this site to ARGUE with you, not to discuss your...lack of male anatomy.  i dont want to talk about it anymore.  and about my “repressed sexual thoughts” or whatever, ask my girlfriend.  she knows more about them than i do. 

ps-perhaps you should start listening into those emails?  remember, everything happens for a reason.

-ventricleman

Les United States Posted on 05/29/2003 at 07:14 PM

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Admit it. You just like seeing me type “Penile State” over and over again. It makes you tingly.

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ventricleman United States Posted on 05/29/2003 at 08:09 PM

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what kind of response is that?  i told you what i think.  i dont want to hear about your manhood, or lack thereof.  i dont care about you or your genitalia.  if this is some sort of fetish of yours, then i guess you probably might want to break up/divorce your woman and head down to the “boys town”.  i dont like you or your...anatomical parts.

-ventricleman

Anti-Stupid United States Posted on 06/01/2003 at 01:34 AM

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And the question remains.
Is sphincterman a fence post worshipper?
Oh yeah, also, Do you own buckets?
( JethrecOne says you have WOMD if you do!)

ventricleman United States Posted on 06/01/2003 at 11:58 AM

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And the question remains.
Is sphincterman a fence post worshipper?

well, anti-retard, i am NOT a fence post worshipper. 

Oh yeah, also, Do you own buckets?
( JethrecOne says you have WOMD if you do!)

yes, i own lots of buckets.  but they’re all full of your bullshit right now.  so you can’t borrow them.

anyhoo, ive talked with some religious people online, and they are better than any of you in every aspect.

1.  they actually have respect for people, even atheists.  its pretty obvious that you people really enjoy putting other people down. 

2.  they have alot more answers than you people.  and they are answers that i can believe, not your mindless bullshit about physics and evolution.

3.  i care alot more about them than i do you.  they seem alot more friendly than you do.  and i even gave them the same introduction that i did you.

i know that this will probably send you into a hideous seizure of laughing, so ill stop now.  (really you can stop laughing here.  the police will be at your house soon enough because the neighbors think that you’re on ectasy)

i dont know why you laugh, and im sure that you dont either.  maybe its just one of those fucked up “leftovers” from evolution.  oh yeah, those are impossible.  maybe its just you.

well, “Les”, JERICTHEONE, “Eric”, and all the other disenheartened atheists that stop for a bitching session at this complaint depot, i bid you my farewell.  im sure that ill be missed.

Les United States Posted on 06/01/2003 at 12:05 PM

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Missed? Not really. I’m sure someone else just as deluded will come along soon enough for us to play with.

Incidentally, JethricOne isn’t an atheist. He does, in fact, believe in God and he’s a good personal friend of mine. We’ve had some wonderfully constructive conversations about religion, life, philosophy and the nature of reality without damaging our friendship even though we disagree on many different issues. The reason our friendship survives these conversations is because we can agree to disagree and we don’t take it as a personal attack when the other person voices an opposing viewpoint.

We both do agree, however, that you’re a nutcase and a laugh riot.

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ventricleman United States Posted on 06/02/2003 at 08:53 PM

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thats really nice.  sounds like a fucking soap opera.  like i care.

well, i have better things to do.  why i came back was beyond me.  sometimes i amaze even myself....

i hope to never talk with you again.  bye!

Eric Paulsen United States Posted on 06/02/2003 at 09:06 PM

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5...4...3...2…

Les United States Posted on 06/03/2003 at 06:13 AM

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I was thinking the same thing Eric. VM must be desperate for attention.

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Chairbreaker Germany Posted on 06/06/2003 at 05:31 PM

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This has got to be one of the most hilarious exchanges I’ve ever read!  You guys are fantastic.  Les, I hereby grant you the honorary title of Grand Evil Atheist (yes, I mean that as a compliment).  It’s good to hear someone espouse so eloquently the things I’ve been trying to argue all my life.  I’m 38, and discovered I was an Atheist while I was in high-school - stayed that way too. (I mean being an Atheist.) Seems like public education has gone even further downhill than when I was in school, although at the time I thought it could get no worse.  Sounds to me like Vesicleman is probably a female french high-school student.  No, I’ve got it.  It was a CANADIAN [shudder].  I’ve heard of them beasts.  They always come back for more.  No, sorry, actually I think Canadians are a great people, and deserve the same respect as all other primates.  But thanks again for a couple of hours of great reading.  Nice blog!

Jesus Australia Posted on 06/29/2003 at 03:55 AM

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hello stupid evil bastard
1. Catholics are the first beast
2. America is the second
3. you have depending on your actions between 2 to 5 years before i walk over the massive piles of your and your fellow arrogant, medincine believing [made mainly from natural products take one piece of this plant one piece of that plant throw it in an blender add the now huge belief that these people are gods and you get Made-in-sin, but my witch-doctors and faith healers(not those that charge money) who take one leaf throw it with another leaf and ground it into a paste are pagan useless fucks?] money-god worshipping
[YES thats right your god your money god (take a dollar sign add a little snake head and make a wing out of the up-down stroke) Caused september 11 your money god causes millons of people to suffer in your doctor-demi-gods hospitals. your money god causes you to not know what the fuck is going on] Corpses. 
You will die. You all love money and you all love cursing my father when shit goes wrong.
WELL FROM ALL THE HIGH COMMANDERS
FUCK YOU
I AM NOT COMING BACK TO HELP
YOU DO NOT DESERVE IT.
THE SECOND COMING IS CANCELLED TILL AFTER THE POPE, OSAMA AND BUSH KILL YOU ALL.
144 000 ARE TO BE SAVED THEY KNOW WHERE TO GO
THEY KNOW WHEN.  AS for the rest when the poising starts either sept 28 or 29 2003 know i am who i say i am.
Know that i mean it.
your crimes as a society
1 the withholding of free energy devices for 100 years the subsequent killing/scaring of scientists and their families.  The damage and true lack of caring about the damage you are doing to the planet, yourselves and most importantly to my brothers and sisters of peace, who are just to meek to fight.
2 the creation and missinformation of your actions in vietnam. OF COURSE I KNOW ABOUT FUCKING CAMBODIA.
3 The drug traffic and the world wide drug
control which goes hand in hand with your economic sanctions and boycotts
read revalations- the second beast which leads to
4 the god bless america BULLSHIT
you must believe in god
you must be catholic
or else you are just on of the slaves because of
your wacky religion, yet aren’t you allowed to worship however you want?
the ultimate atheiest money god following/ real god cursing society.
don’t take it personal France and the rest get the same. this is just a small portion of your list

my only hope here today is that i can start the chain that stops me from having to clean up all of YOUR SHIT not just on the planet but in space as well and like what the fuck am i supposed to do with all the radiated bullshit.
Anyway do something do something now or when you show up at heaven don’t be pissed that i give u the finger and flush u down to the place of torment.
GOD BLESS AMERICA to die and not leave a very big mess.
oh yeah the pictures are messages the idiots rub themselves on it the message receiver well i guess u aren’t one.

Les United States Posted on 06/29/2003 at 10:02 AM

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Was there a full moon last night or something? grin

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Eric Paulsen United States Posted on 06/29/2003 at 11:15 AM

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I don’t know. But did that hurt your head as much to read as it did mine? Flipping from mixed case to all upper case then to all lower case. The lack of punctuation. The nearly impossible to follow arguments.

Maybe we do need to put jesus back in our schools:)

Amen Australia Posted on 07/24/2003 at 08:10 AM

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AMEN

Antman South Africa Posted on 07/26/2003 at 09:36 PM

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Nah, you all got it wrong! If only you atheist - God, who the f*ck is God? - and you Jesus freaks - what, someone has a different opinion, no way! - would open your hearts. The Devil is actually a malevenonet being called Low Key, who tempts people into evil by showing them images of things they think prove their point. I.e. the image of “virgin” mary. in actual fact mary was a slag who did whoever had five coppers whenever joseph was out of town. Anyway Low Key loves to make people think they’ve seen their favourite deity. Watching them drool with religious (or non, if they choose to see a naked Jennifer Aniston {heathens!!} instead) figures is what gets him off. Yeah, I meant that in a sexual term.
So if you Jesus Freaks and atheist types want to reach the after-Life, simply allow Ap Ho, the pink Rabbit Deity into your life. I know I know, it sounds silly, but when I was five and couldn’t crack Duke Nukem part five the Pam Anderson capers, I opened my heart (with a pen knife) and HE of mighty lord, came to me, and I was filled with esctasy and became free.
He is a compassionate Lord but if you worship Jesus or Darwin or even that schmuck Bush then HE will burn you in Hell (times four) for eternity. HE’s not a sadistic prick or anything, He just wants you to learn your lesson. Don’t think for yourself, but Worship HIM! or have an Eternity to compemplate your stupidity, dumb fools! hahaha!

but I love ya anyway, cause thats what they tell me at Pink Rabbit Deity monday school.

even if you do burn in hell

Lindsay United States Posted on 07/27/2003 at 03:39 PM

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What i find extremely odd is how exactly they know they have seen some vision of ‘virgin mary’ wtf? I’m sorry, was there some photograph of her and her son somewhere in the bible or did i miss that? Really, am i missing something here? I see clouds in the shape of poodles all the time but i don’t think there is really a crapload of poodles in the horizon, people should get a life, i find it odd that someone would freak out over something they don’t really have much evidence on besides a book. anyway, if god does exist and the devil does, i seriously think god should burn in hell because of theat passove tthing where god killed the first born egyptian because the jews weren’t being freed, i mean if my brother was killed even though he had nothing to do with the jews being killed thing, i would hate god very much, still poor jews and egyptian dudes, if i did believe in god, i would think the christians were worshipping the wrong god. yes, i got a little of subject, anyway, christians are kinda crazy little bastards huh? raspberry

Les United States Posted on 07/27/2003 at 05:43 PM

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No more crazy than any other religion’s follower’s, Lindsay. And certainly not much more crazy than many atheists. wink

Which brings up an important point. When I make fun of the people kissing the fence post, I’m not claiming that all Christians are total whack jobs in need of heavy doses of Prozac via a turkey baster, just the ones who are freakin’ over the fence post. As much as I think religion is useless, I don’t think it’s a sign of mental instability or even of weakness. I have lots of friends from all manner of religions and most of them seem more or less normal in most respects (other then the obvious warning sign that they are friends with me which brings into question the sainity of anyone).

“Religious people” is just a label we provide a group that shares something in common (being religious, natch) much the same way the label “video gamer” applies to us geeks who game all the time. Like any other group you’re going to find some nutcases in amongst the rest of the more or less normal people.

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Sheriff Jay United States Posted on 07/27/2003 at 06:10 PM

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I’ve seen the light! Antmanism is THE WAY! AP HO AP HO AP HO!

Antman South Africa Posted on 07/27/2003 at 07:01 PM

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Dear Lindsay,

you raise a good point about the behaviour of God. In the bible, he does do pretty hard-arse things, and it was not only the Egyptian first borns who got burnt but Jews who worshipped the Golden Calf, and many others too. Yet, even in the new (and improved[?]) testament, not following the exact path means a warm place in Hell is awaiting you.

According to our current standards of morality (er std. as in what is generally acceptable in the Western world) a person who is considerate and kind is considered a good person. A person who is nasty but respects the laws of God (in both testaments) is actually rewarded while the former, if s/he does not “believe” is not. In fact, they get to burn for eternity in Hell Fire, which as you can imagine, is not very pleasant and there is NO access to morphine!
It does not seem fair that a supposedly moral person will burn while one who is not especially nice is rewarded,
but remember there have been many religions where such things as child sacrifice (Baal) or being privledged in terms of being born into the right family (Ancient Egyptian - bonus you get to be a God too!) were a morality that gained entrance into the after-life.

It doesn’t need to make sense, because it was all contextual to the society, the culture and the people it came from. Faith is often just an excuse to suspend critical thinking, which is a danger to believing and empowering the priest class. The priest class exist in every culture, and generally seem to get a lot of privledges for doing bugger all. Well, many do have noble intentions and help their community out by acting as councilors. But the priest class is made dangerous by having the power of being right, RIGHT. You cannot disagree.
I personally think that the priest class should engage those who question on the questioners’ level, i.e. matching argument for argument. But often their position dictates they are RIGHT whatever they have to say.
Hmm, maybe i shouldn’t type these things while drunk but I am at Rhodes University and along with degrees we churn out alcoholics (to the jesus freak folk, just as many of them are religious as are not).
It doesn’t matter anyway.
I have noticed that some of the authors will attack Les but will say they love him. well, love for me is not condemning someone to hell, seeing as love means not wanting that person to suffer (i.e. burning your hand for a moment really sucks and extremely unpleasant but your entire body being burnt in hell-fire for eternity? that is uber-sadistic, and frankly anyone who advocates (i.e. accepts it as the fate of anyone who does not agree with them) that sort of punishment has no right to say they try to spread “love” or “prayer”. in fact the concept of punishment for those who do not agree with them is part of Nietzsche’s concept of ressentiment, which basically is a form of ‘sour grapes’ or more to the point frustration at not getting a sense of power (i.e. converting someone) and twisting things around to suit oneself.)

Umm, god the whiskey is beginning to take hold.
so basically life is as is. What you see is what you get. No exclusion of spiritual experiences, if that is what you undergo, but expecting and hoping others to go through the same is naive. Finding others like yourself to share the experiences is one thing, but getting upset because you are being viewed as absurd by someone else is another. Er, also self-contridiction is a no-no.

Hmm, this amstel tastes good. Well, I suppose if god loves me he will grant me a new liver. oy, I’m a student, drinking lots is part of the experience.

(public disclaimer: although Antman expresses what could be seen as the opinion of Atheists incorporated, he is in fact speaking for his own alcoholic self. Other atheists and/or agnostics or perhaps even liberal-minded theists are not necessary alcoholics/drug abusers/sex freaks/buffy fans or even supporters of the Gummy Bear Reunion Tour such as he.)

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