Video gamer challenges the National Institute on Media and the Family.

Posted by Les on Saturday, April 23, 2005 at 12:28 PM. Read 1159 times. Tags: ,
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David Polus has, like me, been playing video games for over 20 years and he’s gotten a bit concerned with the annual report cards on the video game industry that are released yearly by the National Institute on Media and the Family. Senator Joseph Lieberman and Congresswomen Betty McCollum regularly use these report cards when they decry the supposedly horrible impact that video games have on children. David noticed that there were a number of double standards and spurious arguments being put forth by the NIMF in their reports so he took the time to sit down and write them an email where he asks them to clarify these issues:

Firstly, I notice on your website that you have a petition to “Tell Take 2 Interactive Software: Killing Cops Isn’t Entertainment” specifically regarding their “Grand Theft Auto” game/series. This brings up my first concern. Back in 2002, the NIMF gave the video game industry an overall grade of F, mainly for violence against women by showing video clips of “Grand Theft Auto” where the person that was playing the game when the footage was taped is attacking the female characters in the game (and conveniently skipping over and not attacking any of the male characters in the game). This was used to justify the F grade the industry received (and your group had a petition going that you claimed would be sent to the same company telling them not to create video games with violence against women, just as you do now, but this time for violence against police officers). Skip over to 2005, and you now portray this “misogynistic” game/series as a cop-killing game/series. Why did it take you 3 years to come out and tell us that this series features police officers that the player can (choose to/choose not to) attack? The entire series features violence against police officers, including the same 2002 version that “earned” the video game industry an F grade for violence against women, yet the NIMF made absolutely no mention about violence against police officers until now. To me, this seems like a scam. Plan A was to portray “Grand Theft Auto” as a misogynistic game, and if Plan A fails, go to Plan B. Plan B is to portray the game as a cop-killing game. Plan A failed because though there are female characters in the game, there are also male characters in the game as well that the player can choose to attack with a baseball bat or gun or whatever, so portraying the game as a misogynistic game is rather foolish. Even Senator Joseph Lieberman has made himself look silly echoing what the NIMF has stated, by claiming that “Grand Theft Auto” is violent and dangerous towards women and girls, and the industry shouldn’t create games like that if they want boys to grow up and respect women and girls. He never mentioned that the game can be considered violent and dangerous towards men, towards police officers, towards pedestrians, towards motorists, etc so I wonder where he is getting this misguided information from? Hmmm. I can’t wait to see what he will say once your group tries to now convince him that this misogynistic game/series is really a cop-killing game/series instead. (Let me make a “psychic” prediction by predicting your group will give the video game industry an overall grade of F later this year for violence against police)

Speaking of the report card grades, I would like to bring up my next concerns, which are related to the 2004 report card the NIMF released, starting at the top with your claims that parents are getting double messages. You state “Reviewers across the country are hailing this game as one of the greatest ever. Reviewers are lauding the game for its technical qualities while barely mentioning the game’s immoral story line. ‘A game with everything but morals,‘ is the equivalent of a four star restaurant review praising the eatery’s ambience and service but then adding as an afterthought the fact that the food is laced with salmonella.“ Dr. Walsh has repeatedly stated that adults should have full and free access to this game and any other game, while children shouldn’t. The reviewers that this report refers to are mainly (if not, all) adults anyway, so this report card shouldn’t have a problem with adults hailing the game as one of the greatest, since no matter what the reviewers state, that doesn’t reduce the value of the M 17+ rating that the game carries, which helps parents decide whether their children should play the game or not. Also, comparing the game to a restaurant serving food laced with salmonella is rather ridiculous when you take into consideration that Dr. Walsh says adults should play the game if they want to (would he say that it is ok for restaurants to serve salmonella to adults if they want to, as long as the restaurants aren’t serving salmonella to children?) Plus, you don’t have to go beyond literature to find “immoral story lines.“ I doubt the NIMF would say that a Shakespeare’s play with an immoral story line is comparable to a restaurant serving salmonella. [Read the rest here.]

David puts together an impressive counter-argument to the claims put forth by the NIMF and it deserves to be read and picked up on by the news media, but it probably won’t. So far the NIMF has yet to respond to the letter, but perhaps if enough people blog about it they’ll have no choice other than to address it.

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Alex Canada Posted on 04/26/2005 at 11:38 AM

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I’m not saying that a kid playing violent video games and a kid who is abused at home are going to have the same level of desensitization. Both are going to cause desensitization, but in vastly differing amounts.

No, kids shouldn’t be playing those games, but obviously they are, whether because of fake IDs, older siblings who have the games, and/or parents who just don’t give a rat’s ass. Are we going to pretend they don’t exist?

I’m not talking about sociopathic tendencies in kids, here. I’m talking about more aggressive conflict-resolution, about kids who will use fists instead of words (as teachers might put it).

Okay, I’m gonna ignore the last sentence for its grammatical flaws.  But I don’t really think Les was presenting himself as an anomaly - YOU are.  He’s saying that he’s no different from other people being bullied or exposed to violence, yet you single him out as an anomaly simply because he goes against the standard that the experiement you cited has laid down.  THAT’S a flawed arguement, if you ask me.

Sorry, I forgot a “there’s” after “that” in that sentence. Can you read it now?

And no, I think I’m correct in saying he’s an anomaly; if most kids have more violent reactions and less empathy towards others after playing violent video games, and he didn’t, that makes him “abnormal”, if only statistically speaking. It’s not a moral judgement. Going against the standard makes you an anomaly.

GeekMom, I think I’m largely in line with your ideas here. Again, though, there isn’t a straight dichotomy between “docile” and “total fucking sociopath who kills everyone he meets”. Seriously, folks. There’s a continuum of violence, here, and I think it does a disservice to the psychological profession to disregard a study out of hand because it doesn’t prove “violent video games turn kids into sociopaths” just because the FCC is twisting the results that way.

(Hope that last sentence is readable for you, Josh!)

Qoayn United States Posted on 04/26/2005 at 01:03 PM

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Violence.. hmm.. where to start?

I’ve been intending to reply to this one for a bit now.. but usually end up sidetracked by one disaster or another. I guess its all good because now there’s some material to go on.

NIMF is an organization that provides skewed data to the misinformed. If you look at thier game ratings there is no set ‘standard’ for thier rating system and often times visitors that cant find a sexual refrence in the material (after hours upon hours of play) are treated to the ‘fact that there is sexual content’ in a game or what have you.

As for kids and violence. I grew up exposed to “violence” routinely. I learned to stalk kill and vicerate prey very early on. I can’t think of a single time that I have ever been repulsed by blood in any form - even my own. In fact, I think I’m quite tasty. I also grew up fighting - alot. Weather it was on the fly, by appointment or out of necessity I was always there. Dont get me wrong, I got my ass handed to me on many occasions. I distinctly remember older cousins, uncles and even my father ‘toughening us up’ as we were growing up. All because of a simple philosophy: “The world isnt going to cut you any slack, what makes you think I will?“ They never did cut us any slack, and we eventually began to fully grasp the value of the end result which was a thick skin and a rediculous amount of confidence. Confidence that relays itself into all tasks of everyday life not just personal interaction.  Now granted I could go around bashing heads in but that doesnt really get you to far. Besides all that does is make whiny bitches cry more. I have encountered more adults (probably on the order of 30:1) that are completely incapable of making the simplest decisions for themselves. I sure wasn’t toughened up to tolerate those that continually need babied. Now granted you would think I would have maintained a career in the military but I discovered no kinship there. The overall weakness of the whiny bitches that were there was eneough to make me sick. It was awful naieve of me to think that the military was tough. The lack of trigger time and overtime spent babysitting and talking about shit toward the end was eneough for me to collect my honorable and begin to chase the almighty dollar elsewhere. Besides, I just couldnt begin to justify the loss of many for the benifit of few. Granted, war is good buisness but without a worthy cause or a decent paycheck I just couldn’t picture myself defending these whiny bitches anymore just so they can reproduce and make thier retarted families even bigger then whine and cry some more.
Tough, hard working adults that can wipe thier won ass without permission would be a nice change. We wouldnt be wasting billions talking about feelings and security. If youre worried about your kids growing up ‘right’ worry about them growing up to be known as Johnny the pussy and Billy the bitch. 
My pussy hurts too But you dont hear me cry about it. Godamn I hate office work.

[So yes, desensitization does occur, but who says its all bad? ]

Les United States Posted on 04/26/2005 at 01:08 PM

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I don’t have time to address all of the points raised at the moment, but I wanted to touch on this bit:

Les, I think your argument for being pro-violent-videogames is flawed. It seems like you’re saying, “well, I’m an anomaly, so is the study flawed?�

I don’t think I’m an anomoly. I’ve said that I have no doubts that I’m as desensitized as anyone else to violence at this point. Probably less so then someone who’s actually been in a war, but at least as much as any kid who plays a lot of violent video games and I’ve had my own long-term experiences with physical violence directed to me to have had an impact as well. If the folks at the NIMF are to be believed I should be a drooling lunitac who could open-fire on the neighborhood at any second. I’m my own best example of why I don’t buy their argument. I’m not saying the study is wrong, I’m just not agreeing with the conclusions some folks are drawing from it.

All the study is saying is that [there is] a tendency towards desensitization.

Which is exactly the point I was trying to make. I don’t dispute that either. More later.

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JoshMan3D United States Posted on 04/26/2005 at 01:50 PM

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You know, I KNEW I was gonna get bashed for bringing up the grammar thing…

No, kids shouldn’t be playing those games, but obviously they are, whether because of fake IDs, older siblings who have the games, and/or parents who just don’t give a rat’s ass. Are we going to pretend they don’t exist?

Are we to mold our society to fit the dumb fucks you just mentioned?  Was this country formed so a bunch of idiotic assholes who don’t give a rat’s ass about anything can standardize our culture universally so nothing is “offensive”?  Do I plan to pretend they don’t exist?  Hell fucking yes I am.  Because the last thing I’m going to do is compensate for someone who’s too fucking stupid for their own good.

And THANK YOU Les for clarifying my point.  That’s entirely what I meant to say to Alex, yet couldn’t articulate it whatsoever.

Qoayn?  Ya kinda scare me, kid.  I’m not arguing that exposure to violence is a good thing - I’m saying it’s a good thing to be able to tell from right and wrong.

And Geekmom, you’re absolutely right.  I totally agree that it has to be a gut feeling there.  Took the unspoken words right out of my MIND.  Which kinda scares me a little bit too… gulp

Qoayn United States Posted on 04/27/2005 at 05:44 AM

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Josh -

I dont believe myself to be divoid of flaws nor to I believe myself to be unable to conceptualize right and wrong (and apply it, though sometimes forced). Surely someone would find me to be a great ‘case’ to study.

I guess I had nothing to offer other than an example of what too much ‘violence’ does to an individual, granted I am well read on many technical levels and dont find myself to be completely retarded or suffer from a dillusional concept of reality. The end result is hyper-simulation requirement that is often hard to meet.  I still find it hard to focus and stay organized in mundane environments, but somehow can take on tasks and complete them with joy and ease in one of total chaos.  I sleep better too during those times for some odd reason. Folks that work directly with me or have served in team capacities  
state “I’m sure glad your on my side.“  I take it as a compliment.

As a kid I enjoyed many of the games that were non-violent like pacman, pitfall, mario bros, millipede and what have you. If given the opportunity I would play most of them again.

Granted, with a sheltered upbringing and the lack of real world knowledge I think folks are setting thier children up for failure.  There has to be a balance and If your kids aren’t that bright maybe the level of exposure should be less.

I honestly think I am slowing/calming down quite a bit. To the point where I can actually get somthing out of organized education and focus on things I want to persue rather than what I have fallen into to pay the bills.

Dont cry for me argentina. I think turned out better than most.

Master_of_puppets Canada Posted on 04/27/2005 at 10:38 AM

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“As a kid I enjoyed many of the games that were non-violent like pacman, pitfall, mario bros, millipede and what have you. If given the opportunity I would play most of them again.“

The road to hell is paved with violent games like Mario and Pacman!

Just thought a little humor would lighten the situation.  I’ve got many thoughts on the issue of video game violence, and many things have already been said which I agree with. 

But back to the original point:  The NIMF (an acronym I still find hilarious) IS full of shit, and I would bet my education fund that not a damn one of them has ever played one of the games that they bash so frequently.

On second though, scratch that.  I don’t want to bet my education fund, I need it!  I don’t want to work as a janitor at a golf course forever!

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Alex Canada Posted on 04/27/2005 at 10:59 AM

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Yeah, I need my education fund too or I’d join you on that bet wink

JoshMan: Wasn’t bashing you on the grammar thing; probably should have put a smiley in. I was actually acknowledging that my last sentence there wasn’t exactly comprehensible. smile

Not saying you should mold your life/enjoyment to idiot fucks… but you also can’t ignore them, or they do things like take over your government. ;P

whitebloodoftheheavens United States Posted on 08/11/2006 at 05:25 AM

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Joseph Liberman needs to be given a pink slip and a tongue clamp, because no one who honestly thinks straight, gives two fucks what he has to say about video games, mostly cause all he does is bash them!  Betty Mccollum can join him as they both sail off in their “perfect-little-world” boat, straight to hell!

I believe i speak for the gaming community when I say that we all have shitty days, and when you get to have some release blowing up some stuff on GTA, you feel better!  It’s stress release!  So many times I played Vice City after a crummy day in high schooland felt better after causing city-wide mayhem. 

Banning these games is a foolish action, and will only lead to an increase in school shootings, which while I believe that some of them deserved it, its still loss of innocent life that shouldn’t have to happen.  You take away stress relief, you get a build up of stress and ka-boom! no more sane subject number one.  Its the same thing as taking away cigarettes from a smoker for extended periods of time, it drives them up a wall.

I for one, love my M-rated games, and Joe Loserman can retrieve them from my dead, bleeding body, but if he really insists on removing our stress reliving forms of entertainment for multipule generations to get angry over, and for people, just like the kids at columbine, to have one less outlet for the stress that haunts their lives, and finally responsible for the deaths of innocents acorss the united states, then he can go right ahead and kick the hope of humanity in the nuts one more time, right next to our chimp friend, bush.

Thats my stance of video games and violence, and I hope Rockstar, Take two, and everyone else out there outlives that senile fool.

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itdontmatter United States Posted on 08/11/2006 at 11:58 AM

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I see that BB has been censored quite a bit for much longer than just the 90’s. That was just when they had made cuts that I had started to notice.

The old cartoons have been censored for several different reasons.  One of the major reasons that the old cartoons “need” to be censored is that they were not intended for children.  With a few exceptions, almost all of the TV programs that have shown animated cartoons for the past 30 or more years aimed the programs at children.  The old cartoons were aimed at a mixed or adult audience.  Most of the old cartoons were intended to be shown before the feature in movie theaters.  Other old cartoons were prime time network TV programs.  “The Flintstones” was aimed at an adult audience and was sponsored by Winston cigarettes.  Up until Pebbles was born in 1963, Barney, Fred, and Wilma smoked Winstons.

itdontmatter United States Posted on 08/12/2006 at 03:22 AM

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A judge has ruled that the state of Illinois will have to pay a $510,528.64 in attorney’s fees to the Entertainment Software Association, Video Software Dealers Association and Illinois Retail Merchants Association.  This is just one of the monetary costs to the taxpayers of the State of Illinois whose elected representatives passed two unconstitutional laws; the Violent Video Games Law and the Sexually Explicit Video Games Law, both of which were struck down in December of 2005. 

In the trial that struck down the laws, Judge Matthew S. Kennelly said:

If controlling access to allegedly ‘dangerous’ speech is important in promoting the positive psychological development of children, in our society that role is properly accorded to parents and families, not the State.

Stupid laws are expensive. In addition to the half-million dollars for the plaintiff’s attorneys fees, the taxpayers of the state of Illinois also paid for the legal costs in attempting to defend these unconstitutional laws.  American taxpayers paid for the courts involved in the trial.

Link: http://www.videogamevoters.org/PRIllinoisWin/

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