Jon, learn how to put it all in a comment or two, eh? We have two sources, both of them legitimate local news services and I should know because I live here. Now, you can accuse the Detroit Free Press of lying if you really want to, but unless you’ve got some basis for that accusation I’m going to consider you a dumbass. I’ve been reading them a lot longer then I’ve been reading you and so far they have a better track record.

In the context that it was being used here a “True Believer” and a True Belief is a belief held regardless of what the facts or evidence happen to be. A True Belief and a belief that happens to be true are not necessarily the same things.

And around here it’s a “fucking link” when it’s apparent that the person we’re responding to doesn’t recognize a newspaper link when he sees one.

It actually looks like there are two true believers here - a true believer in the existence of god and a true believer in the non-existence of god. Both a little nuts in their own ways.

Nuts to the peanut gallery.

One shot the other because of his true belief, that’s more than a “little nuts”, that’s fucking insane.

Please don’t feed the trolls.

The Bible and Koran are the only noteworthy writings that claim to be the inspired Word of God. If you investigate with an open mind and heart (and some humility) the truth will become clear.

“The fool saith in his heart ‘There is no God.‘ “
(Proverbs)

“I am the Way, the Truth and the Life” & “Before Abraham was, I AM.“
(Jesus from the New Testament)

Sorry, Wesley, you’ll have to do better than the ontological argument for the existence of god.  Kant showed that argument to be nothing more than a tautology.

warbi,

That’s being generous to wesley.  He doesn’t even present an ontological argument.  Wesley’s post isn’t an argument at all, just an assertion that God exists and we should all embrace him.

Side note though, Kant was in fact a Christian, he was a devout pietist despite the fact that he supported himself when he was a student by being a card and billiards hustler.

The Bible and Koran are the only noteworthy writings that claim to be the inspired Word of God

Wesley, you’re forgetting the Book of Smee:
“This is the Inspired Word of God. I say so, and Bob over there says so, so that makes it noteworthy. Jesus and Mohammed are full of beans.“
(Smee, from the Real Skinny)

Why do these people keep insisting on smugly spouting Bible versus as though it should mean anything to non-believers?

“Whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.“
Matthew 5:22

Heh. Bible quotes are so damned fun. And mine’s a Matthew quote, not a silly, allegorical Psalms poem. Obviously mine carries more weight.

Love idea of the post.

The fact is the reason the man killed him is that old equasion, if you do evil, God will set you aside for evil. Christianity drives people crazy for one reason and one reason only. God sent Jesus as a punisher the of the sinners.

Luke 12:49 “I have come to cast fire upon the earth; and how I wish it were already kindled!.....

Jesus is actually pronounced Hesus. In Hebrew this menas horse. Prophets predcited a punisher horse would come. John the baptists said this about the coming of Jesus.

Luke 3:17 & Matthew 3:12
“His winnowing fork is in His hand to thoroughly clear His threshing floor, and to gather the wheat into His barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.“

Chaff is evil people. Including those that have made a god out of Jesus. See Deut 13.

Jesus is actually pronounced Hesus. In Hebrew this menas horse. Prophets predcited a punisher horse would come.

Hey, in voodoo the loas are said to possess people and ride them as horses.  Does this mean that Jesus was possessed by a loa?  I sure hope it was one of the nicer ones….

“Hey, in voodoo the loas are said to possess people and ride them as horses.  “

We must look at Jesus (Yehoshua) as a common Jewish man up until the point he was struck by lightning in the land of the dead. (according to the new testament). At that time he stated that the holy spirit fell from the sky. We also have Jesus attesting to the fact that he saw Satan fall from the sky in a lightning bolt. Satan fell to earth at the same time period. So why would Jesus say get behind me Satan, if in fact satan was on the ground and running. Was this angel Satan one of many holy spirits (angels), the one that allowed miracles for Jesus?

This is exactly what revelation predicts.

One must understand that Satan does God’s bidding and if God sent him down and everyone was saying they Jesus was here to plant the seeds of war, divisiion, burn up chaf, and only with the fallen Jew, it becomes clear God was putting into effect the curses. Do we know of a movement that burnt up the Jews under the cry Chist Killers?

As it goes the possession is an intergral part of many church rituals as they ask the spirit to enter them and talk through them.

This is different than Moses who had the spirit lay on him, not enter him. It is forbidden to let spirits enter you according to the old testament.

Jesus was accused in his day by a young lad of working for Satan. To this he replied how can a house divided stand. If you read the curses, you will understand that a divided house not only can stand but is promoted under the curses.

Jesus administered the test of Deut 13 and anyone that passed his questions was sent away, any that failed he had follow him. This is why there is counterdiction in what he stated. Fisherman of men.

One need only look at the FBI profile of mass murderers to see how many state they are (Hasus)Jesus. Listen to the news and people will say they were possessed. The signatures are all over their weird crimes. Touched in the head the same way God touched the pharoh in the head. Signs and wonders. In everything from hitler to columbine you will see the mark that is the same mark draw with water on a babies forehead. The swastika is sandscrit for a crucifix.

What if God is really telling them to do it because he is angry? The same God that wipe out entire worlds. Scary!

I wanted to add someting I forgot to mention. Jesus receieved his power to do miracles from the spirit that entered him in the lightning bolt.

Ever see the new version of War of the worlds? That is what is written in this book caled the new testament. Ridding the lightning.

By the way, the new testament shows it is a trick and has many ironic almost insulting statements in it. It quotes past tense passages of Isaiah as prophecy, pslams which is not prophecy and many other laughable things.

Even in its theology, you can see it is an intentional humilitaion of the fallen. For instance, giving up wealth is a good thing, befriending your enemies (they will harm them for sure) and ingoring your family, turn the other cheek so it can be hit again, if your found guilty in court dont pay what the righteous judge states, pay more., etc., etc.

What they fear the most, they eat for breakfast. Jesus told them to ilegally cross the street in the same breath he stated the laws will stand. He wanted them to get busted for violations. Jesus selected bumbling fools as disciples, exactly as the curses of moses stated.

Jesus even said he was not the Messiah multiple times.

Try this on the next born again who approaches you. Ask them to witness for you. They will begin to spill their guts out about how evil they were and all the curses that befell them of recent.  Then ask them a second question, when did all your problems begin. Let them answer this question. Lastly ask them when they really turned to Jesus. It will be the same time.

This is proof the “real” god exists. He is funny and brutal to fools and enemies. He hides himself from those he hates, thats why so many can say he does not exist. They need only look around to see mathmatical probablity is being manipulted to paint a picture that is our reality. Our matrix.

Well that’s certainly a novel take on the Jesus mythology.

Personally I think you could use some medication. And if you’re already on medication then up the dosage.

“Jesus, it’s just like he’s possessed by Martians.“

Oddly enough, that’s not even close to the strangest stupid religion argument we’ve heard around here.

Jesus just got baptised by John. John said this about the coming of Jesus to the people he was baptising:

Matthew 3:12
“His winnowing fork is in His hand to thoroughly clear His threshing floor, and to gather the wheat into His barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.“

In the next verse of Matthew, Jesus arrives. It is the same scene as Mark.

Mark 1:10 And forthwith coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens open and the Spirit as a dove descending and remaining on him.

It describes a scene that reminds me of the movie War of the Worlds, sky opens up and a light form comes down to earth with a being in it.

Here is a another passage about lightning type beings

Matthew 28:2
And behold, a severe earthquake had occurred, for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven and came and rolled away the stone and sat upon it. And his appearance was like lightning, and his clothing as white as snow.

Again an earthquake was what we saw in the movie. super human strength to move that stone alone.

He sure as shit is not from Georgia. What do you call a being who doesn’t live on earth? Not a martian but a what? An alien lifeform, thats right claimed scientists.

Right after Jesus gets his new found power, he is driven by the spirit (possesed I say) and is suddenly chatting it up with Satan. Did Moses speak to the devil of just God? It’s backwards, no?

So the messiah that beats weapons into plowshares, shows up and instead of peace promises the following for the Jews?

Matthew 10:21 And brother will give up brother to death, and the father his child: and children will go against their fathers and mothers, and put them to death.

think again, it doesnt’t fit prophecy, does it?

Luke 12:51 Is it your opinion that I have come to give peace on earth? (they fasley think he is the messiah who brings peace) I say to you, No, but division For from this time, a family of five in one house will be on opposite sides, three against two and two against three. They will be at war, the father against his son, and the son against his father; mother against daughter, and daughter against mother; mother-in-law against daughter-in-law, and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.

If a miracle man showed up in your neighborhood with all these light beings dropping all around, falling from the sky including Satan, started ordering around demons who call him the tormentor, and said he was there to bring war and burn up sinners would you build a religion claiming he was about peace and worship this man a god?

Or would you, as one of these Jews who belong to the religion, point to Deuteronmy 13 as a likley explanation or the Horse punisher prophecies?

Luke 8:32
Now a large herd of pigs was grazing there on the hillside. So the demons begged Jesus to let them go into those pigs, and he consented to that.

Did Moses drive out demons?

The people who followed Jesus were fallen sinners. In other words they did not know the text of the old testament nor the curses some likely hardened criminals. But there was someone who did understand the Old Testament that stated the following:

Matthew 12:24
But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “This man drives out demons only by Beelzebul, the ruler of the demons.“

So yes, if these were not existing writings I would have one amazing imagination, but I only suffer from good reading comprehension.

Jesus states he is not the messiah. So who is he? Deut 13. A man given the power to do miracles for the singular purpose of testing us lowly humans.

Those that failed get a mind virus that brings war and causes people to behave subhuman. Burn up people in furnaces and such.

Matthew 24:5 Many will come using my name. They will say, I am the Messiah,  and they will deceive many people.

Sounds like revelation again. What they fear most is what they cling too. A great humiliation as Moses predicted.

Luke 10:18
And He said to them, “I was watching Satan fall from heaven like lightning.

Not my crazy words, but the claimed foundation of the do gooders who seem to be very cursed when observed without blinders that make excuses for their incositancies. Watch the news, this crazy bible thumper shit is not normal and within natures logic.

Moses states if you have more than one God you get a who bunch of curses including insanity.
Curses such as children getting fat and turning evil. Mothers killing off the babies from between their legs. (abortions) Wives turning selfish against their spouses (divorce for greed). Your money taken from you and given to your enemies. Your enemies promoted higher as you sink lower.

Most regretfully, war, war and more war. The US is becomeing a nation fed by the procedes of building and using weaponry while China now makes houshold items.

People will cry peace peace but there shall be no peace ecxept that the one in power gives it. That being is the real God.