The Vatican is telling countries stricken by AIDS that condoms aren’t safe.

Posted by Les on Thursday, October 09, 2003 at 02:02 PM. Read 644 times. Tags:
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Proving the Catholic church is led by schmucks who have their heads stuck up their asses, the Vatican is sticking its nose where it doesn’t belong once again.

Guardian Unlimited | Special reports | Vatican: condoms don’t stop Aids

The Catholic Church is telling people in countries stricken by Aids not to use condoms because they have tiny holes in them through which the HIV virus can pass - potentially exposing thousands of people to risk.

The church is making the claims across four continents despite a widespread scientific consensus that condoms are impermeable to the HIV virus.

A senior Vatican spokesman backs the claims about permeable condoms, despite assurances by the World Health Organisation that they are untrue.

The church’s claims are revealed in a BBC1 Panorama programme, Sex and the Holy City, to be broadcast on Sunday. The president of the Vatican’s Pontifical Council for the Family, Cardinal Alfonso Lopez Trujillo, told the programme: “The Aids virus is roughly 450 times smaller than the spermatozoon. The spermatozoon can easily pass through the ‘net’ that is formed by the condom.

“These margins of uncertainty… should represent an obligation on the part of the health ministries and all these campaigns to act in the same way as they do with regard to cigarettes, which they state to be a danger.“

The WHO has condemned the Vatican’s views, saying: “These incorrect statements about condoms and HIV are dangerous when we are facing a global pandemic which has already killed more than 20 million people, and currently affects at least 42 million.“

The organisation says “consistent and correct” condom use reduces the risk of HIV infection by 90%. There may be breakage or slippage of condoms - but not, the WHO says, holes through which the virus can pass .

Scientific research by a group including the US National Institutes of Health and the WHO found “intact condoms… are essentially impermeable to particles the size of STD pathogens including the smallest sexually transmitted virus… condoms provide a highly effective barrier to transmission of particles of similar size to those of the smallest STD viruses”.

The Vatican’s Cardinal Trujillo said: “They are wrong about that… this is an easily recognisable fact.“

I’ve quoted too much of the article already, but it goes on to say how the archbishop of Nairobi is making comments like “Aids… has grown so fast because of the availability of condoms.“ As well as how the director of an AIDS clinic in Lwak is saying he can’t distribute condoms because of church opposition. Best of all is the comment related by Gordon Wambi:

    “Some priests have even been saying that condoms are laced with HIV/Aids.“

Can you fucking believe that?! This is all because of the Catholic church’s opposition to contraception as a violation of their doctrines. A tenant that the Pope has fought hard to maintain and one of the outmoded lines of thinking that is partially why so many Catholics feel their church is stuck in the dark ages. Better you should have unprotected sex and die of AIDS than use a condom and end up in Hell!

We’ll let priests molest kids for decades before we do anything about it, but don’t you dare think we’re going to tolerate these condom thingies! Talk about screwed up priorities!

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Les United States Posted on 10/22/2003 at 05:18 AM

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Sorry for the off-topic rant, folks.

Not a problem at all. It’s not like no one else around here derails the threads completely off-topic on a regular basis. At least in your case it was an educational romp for those of us who have no military experience at all. Sometimes going off the beaten track can be very enlightening.

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John United States Posted on 11/12/2003 at 06:42 PM

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I can’t believe how similar your face looks to that of the animal called the “weasel” Described
by Webster as “bloodthirsty” and/or “deliberately
misleading” This is the same hate message Hitler
proclaimed and we all know what happened to him !

Final score ..Catholic Church 1….This site 0

Les United States Posted on 11/12/2003 at 09:49 PM

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Oh no, now my feelings are hurt. I suppose looking like a weasel is still better than the jackass you look like.

I find it amusing that you don’t realize that Hitler was a Catholic in good standing as far as the Vatican was concerned.

As for the score, I’d say the Catholic church is probably responsible for way more deaths than the mere 1 you ascribe to it. Whereas this site has, indeed, failed to score a single death so far.

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Brandi United States Posted on 11/13/2003 at 03:41 AM

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Um, Catholic Church 1, Jews 0…but only if you’re scoring on the side of Hitler.

Pope Pius XII, the Pope of the WWII era, is widely known for his complicity while Hitler slaughtered 6 million Jews, and his failure in a stance to combat the Nazi murder machine. The church signed a deal with the devil, in keeping with it’s own goals of power and domination.

The Vatican continues to keep mute on its Holocaust involvement for a painful reason. Its silence was not due to the moral lapses of individual Catholics, or that the church was ignorant of, or duped by, Hitler’s aims. It was a deliberate policy of appeasement crafted by church leaders. Before he ascended to the papacy in 1939, Pius XII was the Vatican’s ambassador to Germany and secretary of state during the crucial period when Hitler rose to power, and knew full well what Hitler was up to.


In his well-documented work, “Hitler’s Pope: the Secret History of Pius XII.“ John Cornwell, Jesus College, Cambridge University professor notes that the Vatican signed its ill-famed concordat with Hitler in 1933 to prevent him from grabbing church property and meddling in church affairs. In return the Vatican pledged the absolute obedience of Germany’s Catholic priests and bishops to Hitler. As Pope, Pius XII sent a letter praising “the illustrious Hitler,“ and expressing confidence in his leadership.

Seems Pope Pius XII all but sucked Hitler’s dick.

This is just one of the first reasons I began to hate the Catholic Church, or more accurately, the Papacy….then they gave me so many more. So many choices, so little time.

Brandi United States Posted on 11/13/2003 at 03:50 AM

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As a matter of fact, Pope Pius XII (“Hitler’s Pope”) sent birthday cards to Hitler every year until his death. That is, until the Archbispop of Berlin issued a statement officially mourning Hitler’s death. Do YOU have a birthday card from the Pope? Careful not to get blood on your hands.

jon28518 United States Posted on 11/25/2003 at 05:07 PM

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Safes (i.e, condoms) save lives. They work. Sex is fun and it also kills, it’s Holy and a sin. But safes work.

Rose Prince United States Posted on 12/19/2003 at 12:01 PM

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“It was the overwhelming decision by God to provide mankind with morons like you” 

Now and then we’re reminded that there are people
like you out there on the loose.

Les United States Posted on 12/19/2003 at 12:09 PM

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Rose, it would be helpful if you stated who it is you’re addressing. Not that it matters, with commentary as limited as that it’s a wonder you even bothered.

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