That’s one of my pet peeves concerning Christians. I’m THAT close to running a blog of my own to vent a little bit.

so here’s where you just hit ‘em with “so are you saying that without the punishment of hell-fire, you’d go out and kill people?”

maybe what they say about laws also applies to gods- good people don’t need them, bad people won’t follow them.

“so are you saying that without the punishment of hell-fire, you’d go out and kill people?�

For some odd reason I’ve yet to get a straight answer from a Christian atheist basher when asking this very question. It almost seems like they’re uncomfortable to admit to fear of punishment as the primary moral motivator.

I’ve had one Christian tell me that he would.

At least he was honest. I suppose.

and didn’t a bunch of holy rollers inflict the crusades, numerous witch trials, and a big ‘ol inquisition on lots of people?  seems like religion doesn’t make you STOP killing people…

Satan has many forms and nothing stops him from taking the form of God fearing Christians by entering the minds of the weak and using them for his plans. His worst trick is to get us to not believe he exists. You blame Christianity for war, the witch trials, the crusades and many other or all other acts of man’s inhumanity towards man. I blame the deciever, Satan. Satan being the manifestation of sin and all that is evil.

I am eternally grateful to the Lord for my salvation. I am a recent born again and will add myself to your list of Gospel abiders who admit to you that it is only the fear of Hellfire that stays my hand from acts of sin, that is lust, bestiality(violence) and all others.

Romans 10:13 “For whosever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved”

Yeah, we’ve heard all that nonsense before. Try something original for a change.

You have heard it before because the key to truth is simplicity.

Originality? Archeoligists digging up bones of the long since deceased, astrologers stairing at stars that have been there for longer than we know and scientists trying to develop a new way to split the atom, it’s all been done before.

1 Cor, 15:33 “Be not decieved: evil commonuications corrupts good manners”

Nice blog by the way, I can see you are one of an open minded sort.

We’ve heard it all before because you folks have this incessant need to try and convince the rest of us to buy into your delusions.

Originality? Archeoligists digging up bones of the long since deceased, astrologers stairing at stars that have been there for longer than we know and scientists trying to develop a new way to split the atom, it’s all been done before.

Which has nothing to do with what you’ve brought up here.

1 Cor, 15:33 “Be not decieved: evil commonuications corrupts good manners�

Being irritated by clueless twits is what corrupts good manners.

Nice blog by the way, I can see you are one of an open minded sort.

I’m very open minded. Just not to the point that my brains fall out. Try reading more than just the one thread and perhaps you’ll learn a thing or two about how open minded I can be.

I’m at least open minded enough to use a spell checker…

Please excuse my many mispellings, skool was very hard for me, as I found it to be filled with hypocrites and controlling families. I suppose it was not quite so bad for you though. Also I could not find your spell checker.

Since you do not see, or do not want to see, the relevance of my posts I will try to explain.

You are an athiest and refer to yourself as a stupid evil bastard, I profess my love of Christ and you call me a clueless twit.
It was Paul the Apostle who, as I quoted above, warned us in 1Cor. 15:33 about how a closeness to evil causes rudeness.

This thread is on, I believe the moral difference between non-Christians and Christians.
I cannot see how you as an athiest can have a proper opinion on the Gospel being one who does not accept His Teachings.

So I must tell you that to abide by the gospel one is not allowed to sin, and committing a sin in one’s mind, that is even thinking about it, makes one guilty of that sin. Killing, stealing, lying, lusting are all sins. So is pride, the fear of pain or death, greed, anger and many other things, to many to list. Ofcourse it is impossible to do this, that is why He forgives those who accept him. To accept Him one must be completely willing to turn away from sin, that means to not desire to sin and to oppose sin and all that is evil. That is where, I believe, you and I are different. If I am wrong, please correct me.

Proverbs 13:19 “But it is an abomination to fools to depart from evil.”

I thought the gospels said that sin was unavoidable (considering original sin), as such it makes no sense to say that one is not allowed to sin, given that it is a sin just to be a human.  To require repentence is a very different thing than to prohibit sin.

As for the crusades, anti-semitism, and witch burning.  It’s odd that you blame Satan given that the last pope blamed the Roman Catholic Church and appologized in its behalf for the crusades, anti-semitism and witch burning.  It also led him to the position that war, whether fought in the name of God or not, is never justified.

P.S.  That last post was directed at you Gij.

SS: 

John Paul II did not blame the Catholic Church for anti-semitism.  He acknowledged the role the Churhc has played.

Consi,

Oh sure, be all exact and stuff.

Here we go again…

Please excuse my many mispellings, skool was very hard for me, as I found it to be filled with hypocrites and controlling families. I suppose it was not quite so bad for you though. Also I could not find your spell checker.

Funny, I found the same thing to be true of many religious groups. As for the spell checker, what, I have to provide that for you as well? Get yer own.

Since you do not see, or do not want to see, the relevance of my posts I will try to explain.

Apparently you are unable to determine the difference between someone saying that part of your comment was irrelevant versus the whole comment being such. I’m aware of what you’re trying to say which is part of why I called you a clueless twit.

You are an athiest and refer to yourself as a stupid evil bastard, I profess my love of Christ and you call me a clueless twit.
It was Paul the Apostle who, as I quoted above, warned us in 1Cor. 15:33 about how a closeness to evil causes rudeness.

Irony also escapes your understanding too I see. Though I suppose that’s to be expected from someone who’s basing his judgments off of a single entry or two. Had you bothered to look further you would understand the reason why the site is named as it is and the fact that I don’t actually view myself as such. But like so many others, you opted to judge by initial appearances despite the fact that your own Bible tells you to judge not.

And if being close to evil only makes me rude then you have nothing to really worry about then. Though I should point out that it doesn’t take harsh words to be rude. If you want to sit around professing your love for a mythical fairy tale there are plenty of other sites out there who would welcome you with open arms.

This thread is on, I believe the moral difference between non-Christians and Christians.
I cannot see how you as an athiest can have a proper opinion on the Gospel being one who does not accept His Teachings.

And thusly you demonstrate that you are, in fact, a clueless twit proving my comment not a rude insult, but a statement of fact. I’ve written almost 3000 entries for this site and another near 3000 comments which, had you read even a small portion of, you’d probably understand that I wasn’t always an atheist, that I have read the Bible many times in the past (still do), and had even considered joining the clergy at one time.

But you haven’t bothered. You’ve decided to make your judgments based on a couple of items and your own prejudices. You don’t have a clue what my background is and yet you’re arrogant enough to assume that you do.

So I must tell you that to abide by the gospel one is not allowed to sin, and committing a sin in one’s mind, that is even thinking about it, makes one guilty of that sin. Killing, stealing, lying, lusting are all sins. So is pride, the fear of pain or death, greed, anger and many other things, to many to list. Ofcourse it is impossible to do this, that is why He forgives those who accept him. To accept Him one must be completely willing to turn away from sin, that means to not desire to sin and to oppose sin and all that is evil.

Blah blah blah blah. Yes, yes, we know all about that. You’re just another in a long line of broken records.

That is where, I believe, you and I are different. If I am wrong, please correct me.

Again with the assumptions. So far the biggest area in which we disagree is over the truth of a 2000 year old book of myths and fantasies. Beyond that I don’t know a whole lot about you other than you’re prone to thinking you got me all figured out based on a couple of entries. I believe arrogance is also a sin. Better say your prayers.

And enough with the Bible quotes. I’m more than familiar with the book and it doesn’t mean a shittin’ thing to someone who doesn’t believe in it.

I actually am very well aware that you read the bible, and was more thinking that you are more the professer type than clergy, but am not at all suprised. I said earlier that you are one that has not accepted the his teachings not one that is unaware of them.

You made this comment so here it comes,
“Beyond that I don’t know a whole lot about you other than you’re prone to thinking you got me all figured out based on a couple of entries”

I am 34 years old and found Jesus’ gospel on the internet two months ago, I now seek his faith.
I have still yet to be baptised, as approaching a church has been very hard for me to do. My prior life was that of an occult follower and all around basic sinner, you know the story. I don’t know much about Him, but I know that it is now expected of me to find out and talk with others about Him as much as possible.

I can say this much, He is real and I am very glad to be saved from Hell. Never once in my life have I ever thought that I wasn’t going to Hell when I died. All who follow Satan are damned including the elder gods of sorcery.

If you can help me please do.

Gijnabar, this may not be the optimal website for help with your relationship to Jesus.  In fact, websites generally are of limited usefulness for what you are trying to do.

I suggest attending a neighborhood church.  Since there are several out there, take your time choosing one.  Try to find one that treats its members as intelligent people.  If you hear a lot of yap about “sheep” and “sinners,” you’re trading one neurosis for another.

Try to find one that is actually involved in helping people instead of just converting them.  There are over two thousand verses in the bible that directly relate to helping the poor.  Place that beside about eight verses related to homosexuality, just a few related to abortion, and only a couple about atheists.  Try to keep things in proportion.

Look at the couples in the church; are the men and women partners, or is the man clearly “in charge?” Are women allowed to speak in the morning service.  Are they allowed to say anything of substance?  Even if you’re a guy and a little tired of hearing women talk, you’d be surprised how quickly you start to miss it. 

As for your background in sorcery, I suggest being sort of quiet and listening for a few weeks.  You’ll find out pretty quick how loving or how judgmental they are.

Pay special attention to the conversations following the service.  Does it sound like people enjoying their lives?  Or like people trying to convince themselves of something?

I can’t give you any advice on the actual theology of the place, because I don’t even believe there’s a god in the first place.  But ask yourself; “How silly would this sound if I weren’t desperate for something in my life?”

Best of luck to you.

It was in the middle of April and I wanted something inspirational to read on the internet, because my job as a PR for a video game developer in a studio in Williamsburg kept me in front of the computer 24\7. So I went to google and typed in these words, “dungeons and dragons satan murder”. I read everything there, one of the following which I pasted below for your reading entertainment, if you like that sort of stuff and haven’t already seen it. It is written by one William Schnoebelen. I have to admit he seems to know more about that kind of stuff that I ever did and I am glad for that, atleast. Though I am still scared as hell of Hell.
As I said in my last post, Jesus has come to me and forgiven me for my past sins, but I am expected to learn and abide by His gospel and I am being watched now by Him and His angels. As the Socialist Swine called it I am repenting, and choose to do that in part on your website for a lack of better places to go.
I love Jesus

http://www.chick.com/articles/dnd.asp

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Hey, Gijnabar - you posted while I was typing.

Chick publications is an entertaining place - I have quite a collection of Chick tracts myself.  But (and this is methodological, not theological evidence) you might want to read Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis - you know, for balance.

From my dough the real remedy for all that sorcery stuff is the same as the remedy for all that Christianity stuff - the circular file.

G - I feel great pity for you. Your head is obviously full of a variety of false images of reality. I’m sure it’s not all your fault, you have been, like all of us, lied to all your life. This excess mental baggage will drive you crazy. There are no gods. Period. Shed that silly old tome of Jewish mythology and look elsewhere for truth. The occult is just as much bullshit as religion - they are both equal quantities of superstition and only the primitive mind will ever be fooled by them for long.

And this idiotic book of hate you quote from, if it’s the word of god why, then, is there not one original thought within. Why no really important information that Man could use. How ‘bout something like…

Jimbo 1:1 Beware the tiny unseen for they are the harbingers of disease.

Jimbo 1:2 Fear not the feline for she shall restrict the rat and the flea.

Jimbo 1:3 Blessed is the bread mold for it is the fruit of health.

Akmed 2:7 Attend the bending of the light in water.

Akmed 2:9 And the realm of the small shall become apparent.

Neil 3:1 Let not politicians waste on weapons what can be used to populate the stars.

I might have remained a believer if there was just one such example. No such luck. There are very few pearls of wisdom in the dung-heap that is the Bible, and none of it original. You’d think if god came on down and walked around with folks he’d write down some recipes for some medicine or something!

Wake up!

Hi Decrepitoldfool, thanks for your advice but I’m not sure what a circular file is.
So C.S. Lewis wrote philosophical books, huh, not just fantasy fiction, he is mentioned in one of the articles on that site, I think. My tastes in fiction was always closer to the likes of Lewis Carol in that genre.

Spocko, Thank you for your concern about the welfare of my mentality I do appreciate your advice. Yet, after reading your post I can’t help but believe that if you met God you would ask Him for money.
God put those diseases on our planet to punish us with. Curing ailments is up to us if we so choose, it is not in His purpose to do that. When Jesus was with us he cured the ill because they were near him and as a sign of His divinity. He only brought back one man, beside Himself, from the dead and only because it severed a purpose. Something to do with fulfilling a prophecy that someone brought up before Him, and kind Lazuras had a tale for us about the after life and what is waiting for us on the other side.

Better than a cure for any and all diseases Jesus gave us the gospel, the power over evil, and forgiveness for the sins of those who believe in Him, and salvation from Hell, where our soul goes after we die.
You cannot really believe after reading the bible that Jesus would bother with explaining science and medicine to us. His teachings were about refraining from evil and having good manners. He also said that in Heaven His Father is preparing for us the Promised Land, where there is no evil or death, and Jesus does not lie.

Referring again to diseases and such here is another example on the philosophy of God.
Matthew 10:28 “Fear not them that can kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to kill both body and soul in hell.”

Jesus is real, He is in Heaven and He answers the prayers of those who call upon His name.

Circular file?  You have one on the floor next to your desk.  An excellent place for circular arguments, such as: “The bible is God’s word - it says so in the bible.”

C.S. Lewis wrote Christian books, and is acclaimed as one of the greatest Christian writers. 

It might seem strange for an atheist to recommend a Christian author but if you’re determined to be a Christian you’d be better off reading his stuff than the ravings of the Chick Publishing crowd.  At least Lewis was a genuine scholar of scripture and the church.

Spocko has a point - if you insist on trading one fairy story for another, you haven’t really gained much ground.

G - I don’t get the money comment and the punishment nonsense just exposes your delusion even further.

Jesus did not heal anyone or bring anyone back from death. He never existed. Jesus wasn’t even a name back in the day, it’s a word that meant “savior”. There were many scammers calling themselves the Jesus back then - none of them were gods. Nazareth didn’t even exist till centuries later. And Lazarus, sorry wrong again; that’s just rehashed bunk from the Egyptian’s El-Azarus. Your precious scribes were too stupid to dream up anything new. Jewish mythology is nothing but plagiarism.

You cannot really believe after reading the bible that Jesus would bother with explaining science and medicine to us. His teachings were about refraining from evil and having good manners. He also said that in Heaven His Father is preparing for us the Promised Land, where there is no evil or death, and Jesus does not lie.

I’ve read that crap forwards and backwards several times - that is precisely why I’m an atheist.  Obviously, I don’t really believe any of it. I’ve studied the past and I see the evolution of your mythology and can no longer be decieved by it.

Jesus is real, He is in Heaven and He answers the prayers of those who call upon His name.

“Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence”. Where’s yours?!

PS, G - you missed my point completely. There is nothing in the Bible that proves it was written by anyone other that ordinary men. Nothing. Not one piece of information that exceeds the knowledge of the folk at the time. If there were any actual hints at technology, the structure of the atom, the true depth of space, ANYTHING!, it would make an atheist like me wonder. Indeed, I might not have become an atheist in the first place!

Sorry but you’ve got nothing but a load of rehashed “golden rule” jibber-jabber mixed in with Roman Sun worship. Study your history, you’re just a willing pawn of the Empire!

Ah, a newbie Christian. We don’t see too many of those around here very often. Usually it takes a while before they get up the gumption to engage us in conversion attempts.

I actually am very well aware that you read the bible, and was more thinking that you are more the professer type than clergy, but am not at all suprised. I said earlier that you are one that has not accepted the his teachings not one that is unaware of them.

I currently do not accept the Bible as true, but that doesn’t mean I didn’t at one point in time. A point I raised earlier that you seem to be ignoring.

I am 34 years old and found Jesus’ gospel on the internet two months ago, I now seek his faith.
I have still yet to be baptised, as approaching a church has been very hard for me to do. My prior life was that of an occult follower and all around basic sinner, you know the story. I don’t know much about Him, but I know that it is now expected of me to find out and talk with others about Him as much as possible.

Then you’re definitely barking up the wrong tree here. You’d be better off, as DOF suggested, seeking out others of a similar state of mind.

Which isn’t to say that there’s no one I could recommend to you if you are, indeed, serious about learning more about your new found religion. Contrary to what you may think there are numerous believers in general—and Christians in particular—that I have admiration and respect for. You may find that folks like ***Dave are in a better position to offer you guidance and advice on your faith. If you’re going to insist on being a Christian then I hope you follow the example of ***Dave and others like him and become one of the better ones out there. We could use more Christians like him.

But if you insist on hanging around here and making comments like…

I can say this much, He is real and I am very glad to be saved from Hell. Never once in my life have I ever thought that I wasn’t going to Hell when I died. All who follow Satan are damned including the elder gods of sorcery.

... I’ll continue to consider you a twit. I accept that you believe that nonsense to be true and if it helps you to sleep at night or get through the day without killing someone then, by all means, believe it to be true all you want.

But your sincerity of belief doesn’t count for much in terms of convincing me that it actually is true.

If you can help me please do.

You’ve exchanged one form of credulity for another. Given that, I’m not sure you can be helped. Certainly you can be instructed in the ways and rituals of your newly exchanged beliefs, but whether that amounts to “helping” you is open to debate.

It was in the middle of April and I wanted something inspirational to read on the internet, because my job as a PR for a video game developer in a studio in Williamsburg kept me in front of the computer 24\7. So I went to google and typed in these words, “dungeons and dragons satan murder�. I read everything there, one of the following which I pasted below for your reading entertainment, if you like that sort of stuff and haven’t already seen it. It is written by one William Schnoebelen. I have to admit he seems to know more about that kind of stuff that I ever did and I am glad for that, atleast. Though I am still scared as hell of Hell.

From the above point on you’ve raised my suspicions that you’re actually just a comment troll. For someone who claims to be 34 and working as a PR person for a video game developer you seem to be regurgitating a pretty stereotypical account of your conversion and your supposed lack of familiarity with common concepts such as what a “circular file” is gives good reason to be suspicious of your claims. Then there’s the linking to the Chic Tracts which is a favored flame bait from folks just looking to stir up trouble.

Pretty much everything else you say after that point doesn’t jive with your claims about your age and occupation and as such you’re not really worth wasting any more time on.