Now although the corpse was alive the Terri Shaivo involved was already dead.. no pilot was present in the cabin if you know what I mean.

If she could have “looked in on herself” and examined the evidence (given the circumstances) who knows which way she would have went with it or if she would have come to terms with this.

If this magical event could occur and it was me I would unplug my ass. no sence in wasting electricity.

Jesus can love me all he wants as long as the beer keeps coming and the tab is payed. But if he thinks hes getting even a little outta me in the parking lot afterwards he’s sorely mistaken.

Aww… Why Terri Shiavo again. Let the topic die [pun intended].

Lets talk about something I haven’t heard both sides a million times already:

I am not an expert on this but I know there are conflicting view points on the accuracy of the Bible we have today. How does the current Bible [in it’s various editions we have today] maybe differ from the original books it is composed of? I’d like to hear the Atheist side and the “other” side. Obviously the book has been around the block a few times anyone have any opinions on how it came to be?

Argh, who am I kidding… Off to wikipedia.

Nevermind, ignore my question. It was far too vague. We would be debating for weeks or quite the opposite reading one person’s response for weeks. I’ll just read wikipedia for the next oh say… 3 days.

Good topic for discussion, Sepharo. When you think about it, if the meaning of a word can shift in 20 years, how can we really glean the certain definitions of words 2000 years old. If you never study the source material and instead rely on someone else’s translations, you might be championing a totally different message than you thought.

I say we’ve never had a Bible that represented the original messages and motives of people living then. We’ve never really read historical accounts that weren’t tinkered with to satisfy certain agenda. Sure, we’ve found some of the earliest, purist writings but the common person may never have access to those. Most people today worship a religion that never existed until now. They have little understanding of the social and political circumstances that inspired earlier societies to create fantastic heroes and villains.

Of course I only care because I tire of people professing religious beliefs that are based on present values and fears and not specific to a slave civilization 2500 years ago. I’d rather they didn’t need a religion at all but some cannot abide the thought of no saviour/punisher to serve them and smite those they don’t like.

Religion is politics regarding the soul; a thing that may or may not even exist…

TheBo$$, aren’t you a Christian? Did I imagine reading that somewhere? Oh, and good luck keeping this, or any discussion at SEB on track. Sometimes even, it’s the turning that thrills.

Nope. I used to consider myself christian, but when had thaat whole talk about what a christian is, I realised I am certainly not. I now state myself as a recovering ex-catholic.

As to words changing, that is certainly true. The word ‘nice’ used to be an insult meaning lazy.

This thread seems to work exactly like I thought it would: not.

Sorry, TheBo$$ - you don’t catch trolls with a trap saying ‘Trolls Enter Here’. They want to feel like they control it all, they don’t crop up where you want them…

Well you could still give out free Wallop and Yahoo 360 degrees accounts.  I believe both are still invite only and Les I can give you invites if you want

We’ve all seen how well threads with rules have worked on this site before.  It should be no surprise by now that trolls do not enjoy operating within certain frameworks.

The canonized bible is nothing more than a glorified marketing tool to bring the diverse religions of the day under one umbrella.  Without a canonized bible there would still be fragmentary religions celebrating the rise of the giants, Christ’s marriage, the sacredness of the shells, among other things.

With most not having access to the original written material, let alone the ability to read it, Christianity paired with a doctored bible became the ultimate tool of manipulation.  I imagine after the canonization one of the first phrases uttered was ‘You’re either with god or against god’

I didn’t expect it to work at first either. Eventually someone will find it.

I don’t think Ginj and Lisa4Catholics are trolls though. Kristen is another story…

The source material for the Bible is from ancient Sumeria Babylon and Kemet.
It is entirely based on this much older paganism.

The Bible itself proves its Astrological origins rather definitively.

Notice how closely the alleged Jesus story follows the Zodiac & how perfectly the character of Jesus fits as an allegory for the Sun.

On a lighter note this is “priceless”

http://www.wimp.com/blowjob/

I don’t think Ginj and Lisa4Catholics are trolls though. Kristen is another story…

Lisa4Catholics is what I call a Sincere Believer^TM. My impression of her is that she’ll sincerely believe anything that supports the orthodox Catholic position on the hot button topics we know so well, but the things she believes in boggle my mind.

Nunya, that is indeed priceless, and demands to be e-mailed to all my friends and collegues.

deadscot said:

Without a canonized bible there would still be fragmentary religions celebrating the rise of the giants, Christ’s marriage, the sacredness of the shells, among other things.

I haven’t run across this before- have any good links or books?  Or even more info?

I imagine only the insanely curious, ministers and scholars of dead languages are familiar with some of these stories.

Since the Dead Sea Scrolls seem to be the agreed beginning to this fallacy, it makes for a great place to start.  The ‘Book of Giants’ has always been one of my favorites and tells the story of how angels descended from heaven to mate with human woman.  The result was to be the lineage from which David’s famed giant was derived.

After that I would recommend reading the Old Testament Apocrypha which offers insight into many of the traditional fairy tales such as the flood, Moses and the prophecies.

If you’re still awake, try the Corpus Hermeticum which delves into the struggles of pre-Christianity and the infighting of the time.

One of the best sources I’ve found, especially about the New Testament and early Christian developments: “Who Wrote the New Testament,” by Burton L. Mack, professor of early Christianity at the School of Theology at Claremont.

And, are you sure Jesus is not in love with me? 

If I may quote the big JC:

Take this, all of you, and drink from it. This is my blood, the blood of the new and everlasting covenant. It shall be shed for you and for all, so that sins may be forgiven. Do this in memory of me. [Cue bell]

If he were a divine figure, he would certainly love you. He wants you to drink his blood!

BTW I would like to know what the fellow SEBs think about getting married and not having children. People who get married and don’t have kids, even though they can, fucking piss me off.

People who get married and don’t have kids, even though they can, fucking piss me off.

That’s a new one for me, Bo$$.  Whyever should that piss you off?  There are too many people in the world as it is…

Thanks deadscot and leguru!  I’ve picked up an interest in the formation and evolution of religions, and I’m always on the lookout for good reading materials.

TheBo$$ said:

People who get married and don’t have kids, even though they can, fucking piss me off.

Are you trolling in your own thread?

There are too many people in the world as it is…

Actually birth rates in the United States are declining.  At the same time the population gets older.  Much the same is happening in Europe and other industrial nations.  In some European countries the population is actually declining.  The United States will not have a decline in population because of a steady influx in immigrants.  This also means whites will soon be overtaken by minorities in percentage of the population.  It is the developing nations that need to curb the population.

Some links…

http://www.un.org/esa/population/publications/migration/migration.htm

http://www.hhs.gov/news/press/2003pres/20030625.html

http://www.unfpa.org/swp/1998/newsfeature3.htm

I would also like to hear why people that get married and do not kids pisses you off.  Do you have the same opinion about people that stay single throught their lives, and consequently never have children?

It is the developing nations that need to curb the population.

John, yes and no- depends on what you mean by “developing”, and whose world we’re talking about.

I’m well aware of the declining birthrate in the first world- I live in a country (Austria) with a negative birthrate, whose population is increasing only because of immigration (and that’s declining too, with ever-stricter immigration policies).  Neonazis play the racist card here in Europe too (the whites are going to be outnumbered soon unless they have lots of kids).  There are certainly problems associated with an ever-older population, especially with health care and Social Security being paid for more and more elderly folks by fewer and fewer young taxpayers.

However, as father of two kids, my foremost concern is sustainability- what sort of world will my grandchildren inherit?  The depletion of natural resources, the increase of CO2 and pollution of air and groundwater, and possibly the greatest rate of extinctions the planet has ever seen, are all directly related to the number of humans.  Especially Americans and other first-worlders.  The environmental footprint of an American (depending on how you measure it) is about twice that of a West European, and about twenty-eight times that of a Bolivian farmer.  So based on how much of the Earth is being used up, I would say the Americans should be encouraged in their trend of population growth decline, and the rest of us (and the Americans) will breathe, and drink, and live, easier.

This is of course not to say that third-world countries don’t have problems with population growth. But for Americans (or Europeans) to say “It’s not our problem” is disingenuous- or simply greedy.

Neonazis play the racist card here in Europe too (the whites are going to be outnumbered soon unless they have lots of kids).

Zilch, I am not playing the racist card, it is simply a fact. 

Most of the population increase will come from developing nations. 

http://www.prb.org/Content/NavigationMenu/PRB/Educators/Human_Population/Population_Growth/Population_Growth.htm

Your concern about the world of tomorrow is no reason not to have children.  We need our children to help solve the problems you mentioned.

I see your point in encouraging a downward trend in the population but encouraging a population decline is certainly not practical so I am not sure there is much discussion there. 

I am studying math and sciences in school so I am doing my part to join the thinkers.  I am optimistic.

People who get married and don’t have kids, even though they can, fucking piss me off.

WTF?? What business is it of yours what people do with their DNA, especially when it’s NOT having kids?? 

You must not value life very much if you just want people to cast it all over the planet because they can.

BTW I would like to know what the fellow SEBs think about getting married and not having children. People who get married and don’t have kids, even though they can, fucking piss me off.

sounds suspect…

indeed the stupid are reproducing in volume. this really undermines the effort so those that can do something for the species I suppose. I hope natural selection will have its way in the end.
of course at the rate were going what will it really matter?

As for being married and not having children Bo$$…
The only way I could see you being pissed off about this is thinking some resource is being consumed or some magical benifits lost due to “ill gotten” means.