Konstantin - The Matrix has you! Your thoughts are not your own. I strongly suggest you read the links provided by Zilch, and here’s more:No Answers in Genesis, a counterpoint to Answers in Genesis. Read both sides of the argument (for and against) carefully and fully. Then make your points.  Right now they sound like a child who is denying that Santa doesn’t exist.

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free

It’s funny how true that quote is, but not in the ‘usual’ interpretation.

scenter- That is not talking to you or evolution people.  That is talking to Christians that they should not take any evolution lie.

Oh! I’m not allowed to quote, and draw meaning from, the bible??? You have the sole authorized interpretation?? So I must be corresponding with The Pope, who is the only person authorized by the True Church to make pronouncements on religion without errors. Glad to make your acquaintance, your Holiness.

(PS that is sarcasm!! since you missed the sarcasm in LH’s post)

konstantin: Because God gives the choice to people he did not make us robots he could of but He’s better then that.

Better than that? By what measure? - If he’s the one who decided what’s better+ worse in the first place. Is it really so bad to be a robot if you are programmed to have no ability to reflect back on it in a bad way?
What makes it “better“?

Stop checking on spelling and start looking at the meaning.

I agree that the content is more important, but it’s also important that people take in what you’re saying so that you can achieve your goals, and, for whatever reason, they’re more likely to take you seriously here with good spelling.

I admit that I make spelling errors sometimes
And I understand that you’re probably more intent on ‘helping’ others realise what you percieve they need to know, so it’s not in your interest to read biassed “counter-conversion” articles because it doesn’t achieve your aims. Because of that I don’t really expect you’ll take them seriously, but if you can see through the bias there are points you’ll need to answer to if you want to convert us. Of course, you’re free to talk and can persue your goals at your own pace.

Stop checking on spelling and start looking at the meaning.

I don’t agree.  Stop sounding like a fucking moron and maybe THE WORLD will stop seeing you as one.  Seriously, if you walked up to someone on the street and said the following:

“OMG!  LMAOLOL!  BTW, 4+4=8!  LOL!“

would anybody think you weren’t a total nut case? I mean honestly, nobody generally goes around telling people painfully obvious math equations, but still, you sound like a moron.  Given, this is hardly a job interview, but at least try to spell things correctly. Even if you cannot be bothered to use proper grammar and syntax (probably because you are unaware of how to do so) at least spelling will make you sound partly intelligent.

Personally, if I start seeing a bunch of spelling errors, I tend to stop reading.  If the message is so damn important, you can at least bother to run it through a spell checker.  You can’t care too much about it if you’re so damn lazy.

And Bahamat, you should probably stop feeding the Konstantin.  He’s just waiting for his chance to talk, not really participating in a conversation.

I have known some very intelligent people who couldn’t spell worth a damn.  It was a presentation issue, yes, but once you got past that you could see quality in their observations and arguments.  And I’ve known a few people whose spelling and grammar were exemplary but who still wouldn’t know a good argument if it walked up and bit them right on their shiny little metaphors. 

Konstantin is the worst of both worlds: presentation issues and shaky content.

I was sarcastic? Me?  Next you’ll be telling me I’m bloody minded.

Konstantin is the worst of both worlds: presentation issues and shaky content.

Content?

Elwed: “Content?“

Oh, yes indeed!  Let’s have a little fun with some of it:

Konstantin: “Darwin was not only on drugs but on medication as well. Bible schools are not thought in public schools or colleges.  But evolution is all over the place stuffing kids with false info.  Or true info that has +/-1.0^99999% error.  That’s like saying Kent Hovind is not my hero.

It’s difficult to extract much meaning from such an ungrammatical mess, but here goes.  On drugs?  Sure.  Suppose he was smoking crack every day; his insights have been tested and improved upon by others since then.  So it wouldn’t matter (and as far as I know it isn’t true; Darwin was a consummate scientist).

How would you go about “thinking bible schools” in a public school?  That doesn’t even make sense.  But suppose you meant “teaching the bible” or some such - our constitution forbids teaching the bible as anything other than as an object of historical, literary, or religious-comparison material. 

Yes, schools do try to teach the best current science - that would be evolution.  They don’t do a very good job of it, though, because creationist nitwits keep trying to interfere.

And here’s my favorite.  Anyone want to tell us what 1.0 to the 99999th power would be?

Let’s have a little fun with some of it:

Oh, you mean the blather...

Anyone want to tell us what 1.0 to the 99999th power would be?

Um…is that a trick question?

Konstantin used to be funny, but lately I’ve started to pity the poor thing.

I’ve always been torn between annoyance and pity.

I’d say that I feel pity for the Konstantin types, but my tolerance for morons (I’m using moron to mean a willfully ignorant person) has decreased dramatically over the years. 

Or maybe a better way to put it is that I have a limited amount of pity for morons, and as I get older, I meet more and more people who are morons, forcing me to stretch my limited pity to more and more people.  I think I’ve finally reached the terminal point and my pity is so over-extended that it’s non-existent. 

Either that or willful ignorance enrages me, I’m pretty sure I read somewhere that rage is the scientifically proven antithesis of pity.  Rage destroys pity, but there is still rage left over, so…

Yhea you guys are perfect.  Or maybe not.  I can always check and correct my spelling but can you check and correct your life?  Stop checking on spelling and start looking at the meaning.  Now that is touching.

I never claim to be perfect, but I can confess to a solid education. You say that you can always check your spelling, but the fact of the matter is that you don’t. You want to argue the meaning of your words? Why should we? You don’t even bother to look at them for errors?

Perhaps you’re as slopping about your life as you are about your communication skills? Since you’ve got an obvious disregard for the basic tenets of ideas as we display them to other people in the form of language, why should anyone regard your care for ideas themselves as anything other than disregarded, sloppy, and malformed?

Elwed: “Oh, you mean the blather…“

Yeah, pretty much.

Bog Brother: “Um…is that a trick question?“

Apparently for Konstantin, it would be.

And here’s my favorite.  Anyone want to tell us what 1.0 to the 99999th power would be?

Well Kent Hovind once claimed that there are 1041 electrons in the universe. It’s obvious why Konstantin worships him.

Apparently creationist minds are as innocent of Math as they are of Science.

You have been misquoting Konny. He didn’t say 99999. He said 99999%.
999.99 times what he doesn’t define, so it’s still shit.

Since percents are not used in exponents I assume the percent sign applies to the whole expression.  So it would be +/-1.0^99999%, which is +/-(1^99999)%, or +/-1%.

So the creationist is good for something after all—a question of operator precedence.

I think DOF has it right, which is too bad for the creationist who’s saying that evolution is true with +/-1.0% errors. Charitably ignoring the self-contradiction, he’s saying that evolution is sound. Well done, eh.

I apologize for missing so much of this party, but work has been very demanding lately.  For my brief $0.02, I’ll try to address this gem that apparently slipped by everyone else in the wash:

Konstantin: And what is that brain full of?

If I had to guess, I’d say, “Original thoughts.“

And this one:

Konstantin: It’s a fairy tail.

There’s a bit of the pot calling the kettle black. 

Evolution is a fact, something which is clear when you consider the mental gymnastics that religious types must engage in when they attempt to deny it. 

  The fairy tales are the stories that keep our offspring from becoming afraid when we put them to bed, like the one that we’re all made of light, or the one where we live forever in paradise, or are God’s special angels, or that Jesus floated up into the clouds, or that he’s going to come back some day and kick the devil in the nuts.

In addition, the basic moral problem of Christianity comes to the fore when you consider how immoral God is:  He became flesh while retaining all his power so that he could die and atone for our sins.  In other words, he played human while in God mode and got executed.  He did this to somehow make up - to himself - for the absolutely morally objectionable stance of requiring a human blood sacrifice for the sins committed by his own creations, that he knew about in advance, and did nothing to avert.  It would have been a kinder and better god if the story went like, “Adam ate the apple that Eve gave him, and God said, ‘No worries, you’re just human.‘“

Most real parents simply forgive their children’s sins.  In this one act, humans demonstrate their moral superiority to every god they ever created.

Have a fun weekend - I’m off to San Francisco and more time away from my blog and the fun ideas you toss about here.

Cheers, Michael

Sadly enough, I thought this guy was being sarcastic, until I reached the bottom.

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Why? Is it genetic, that people are prone to this kind of stupidity? It just is mind-boggling.

I would have to argue with you on the veracity of that site Boisterous.  The following quote should make it obvious it’s satire:

Unlike fake doctors who have to resort to to con-artistry like dr. Massimo Pigliucci, Dr. Kent Hovind, PhD has to fight off people who hate God. He’s been accused of assault and battery, falsely declaring bankruptcy, making threats against federal officials, filing false complaints, failing to get necessary building permits, and various tax-related charges. We all know this doesn’t matter though because Dr. Kent Hovind, PhD is a Christian and therefore has his blood cleaned by Jesus or something.

I’m pretty sure the “or something” is a dead give away.

Boisterous: Why? Is it genetic, that people are prone to this kind of stupidity? It just is mind-boggling

Stupidity is like a virus, it spreads but you need to have been infected at least once to become immune to it

Most mindstates spread like virus’s too, in fact they make the carrier person desire to spread them (hence converters)

has his blood cleaned by Jesus

Sorry, God does dialysis? Do only athiests have kidneys?

If you can’t see it, it must be magic

Definately a spoof. Check out the Kidz section. I think the nudity is a give away.