The days of the incandescent light bulb in the U.S. are numbered.

Posted by Les on Wednesday, January 02, 2008 at 05:41 PM. Read 2856 times. Tags: , , , ,
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In the thread on the newly green New Years Eve countdown ball in another thread SEB member Webs mentioned that all we need to do now is get rid of other old lighting technologies. Apparently he’s not aware that the energy law recently passed by Congress will eventually do just that:

The incandescent light bulb, one of the most venerable inventions of its era but deemed too inefficient for our own, will be phased off the U.S. market beginning in 2012 under the new energy law just approved by Congress. Although this will reduce electricity costs and minimize new bulb purchases in every household in America, you may be feeling in the dark about the loss of your old, relatively reliable source of light. Here’s a primer on the light bulb phase-out and what will mean to you:

Why are they taking my light bulbs away? Moving to more efficient lighting is one of the lowest-cost ways for the nation to reduce electricity use and greenhouse gases. In fact, it actually will save households money because of lower utility bills. Ninety percent of the energy that an incandescent light bulb burns is wasted as heat. And yet, sales of the most common high-efficiency bulb available--the compact fluorescent (CFL)--amount to only 5 percent of the light bulb market. Earlier this year, Australia became the first country to announce an outright ban by 2010 on incandescent bulbs. The changeover in the United States will be more gradual, not mandated to begin until 2012 and phased out through 2014. However, don’t be surprised if some manufacturers phase out earlier.

How do I save money, when a CFL costs six times as much as an old-fashioned bulb? Each cone-shaped spiral CFL costs about $3, compared with 50 cents for a standard bulb. But a CFL uses about 75 percent less energy and lasts five years instead of a few months. A household that invested $90 in changing 30 fixtures to CFLs would save $440 to $1,500 over the five-year life of the bulbs, depending on your cost of electricity. Look at your utility bill and imagine a 12 percent discount to estimate the savings.

The rest of the FAQ lists off some information that even I wasn’t aware of—and I’ve already converted most of the lights here at my in-law’s house to CFLs—such as the fact that any CFL with the Energy Star symbol is required to have a two-year limited warranty so if they burn out prematurely you can get them replaced. So while it’ll be a few years yet the end of the incandescent bulb is on the horizon and may even arrive early if enough folks jump on the bandwagon. 

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decrepitoldfool United States Posted on 01/07/2008 at 11:55 AM

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Zilch - exactly: it’s the quantity of methane produced by one burrito.  We’re talkin’ energy independence here, every little bit helps.

LH: the heat from a table lamp is perceptible to the person sitting at the table, and the yellow light subjectively raises the sensation of warmth for many people.  This can affect the thermostat setting chosen by the person, which is one of the inputs of the large leaky calorimeter.  It isn’t a huge effect and PC is correct that it makes a bigger difference if 1) you heat with gas, and even bigger than that 2) during the air-conditioning season.

You start getting into really big numbers with a room like our computer lab.  The switch from CRT’s to LCD’s saved far more energy in cooling than it did in the devices themselves.  (We have to air-condition year-round)

Last_Hussar Great Britain (UK) Posted on 01/08/2008 at 05:35 PM

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I emailed our council about this.  We have seperate boxes for bottles, paper and plastics/cans.  I received this reply less than 48 hours after.

Hello,

I have been passed your email about light bulbs.  We can already recycle all energy efficient light bulbs at our Household Waste and Recycling Centres (HWRC).  We have provided recycling of fluorescent tubes since 2004 and expanded it as more types of energy efficient bulbs came onto the market.  We do not accept this material from trade - it is classed as hazardous - but do accept it from householders if it is their own personal household waste.  (Trade customers will have their own outlets for recycling all electrical material including light bulbs).

So you do not have to worry about disposal of your energy efficient light bulb when it eventually goes - there are plenty of places to recycle this material whether you are a householder or trade.

Regards,

{Writer}
Waste Management
Buckinghamshire County Council

So over 3 years.  However I don’t think it’s widely known.  I have emailed back and suggested public education, plus placing recycling drops in more convenient places- some super markets already have glass/paper etc drop points.

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Webs United States Posted on 01/08/2008 at 06:42 PM

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Our city is in the same situation with electronic recycle. It’s been around for awhile but no one knows about it. Definitely needs more press.

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Les United States Posted on 01/08/2008 at 07:44 PM

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Incidentally, someone earlier in the thread asked about “full spectrum” CFLs. I just happened to stumble across this today:

5500K Color corrected Day Light Fluorescent Lamp Photo Bulb

Product Descriptions:
This is a fluorescent 27 watts energy saving daylight photo bulb (5500 Kelvin temp.). This Fluorescent lamp bulb emulates a soft daylight measured at full spectrum color of 90 CRI at 1800 lumens. Lifespan: 10,000 hours. Ideal for all Tungsten Continuous Lighting Kit.

Product Features:

  • 27 Watts Energy Saving Fluorescent Lamp Bulb
  • Color Corrected 5500 Kelvin daylight Photo Bulb
  • 1800 Lumens
  • CRI 90
  • Life Span up to 10,000 Hours

They sell for $6.99. They were on sale a couple of days ago for $4.00, but I didn’t see the ad until after the sale ended.

Last_Hussar Great Britain (UK) Posted on 01/08/2008 at 08:31 PM

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The ones I bought at Ikea are clear all the way back.  Where as a trad bulb is basically a tungsten wire in an inert gas container, these have a PCB, with what appear to be capacitors etc.

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Paul Jordan United States Posted on 01/10/2008 at 01:37 AM

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I think this new law is infuriating. How can our government do this? Have any one of you every tried to fire up one of these bulbs when it’s -40* F? It just doesn’t work. We tried this bulbs in our house, and haven’t been impressed. They don’t last very well in all reality. All these new regulations from hell-bent liberals are slowly destroying our right to be free. Global warming is a damn myth people, why don’t you guys understand this? Wake up from your trance so we can fight back, and keep our rights.

MisterMook United States Posted on 01/10/2008 at 02:51 AM

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I woke up and realized that I’d rather have lower energy consumption to pay for idiots like you to be able to live in some godforsaken place where it gets to be -40F without having to fund more power plants using tax money. Maybe after you’ve switched to CFLs you’ll have enough money saved up from the energy savings to move further south so I’m not funding the idiocy of where you’re living in my gasoline prices.

decrepitoldfool United States Posted on 01/10/2008 at 06:59 AM

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Relax, PJ.  It won’t be getting down to -40 there much longer.  cool smirk

Besides, for your super-cold applications, LED bulbs may be much better.  They work fine in the cold.

As for global warming being a “myth”, well, you’re simply mistaken about that.  It has nothing to do with liberal vs. conservative, it’s more like science vs. wishful thinking.

itdontmatter United States Posted on 01/10/2008 at 11:38 AM

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It has one steady-state heat source (the light bulb) and one feedback-controlled heat source (the electric furnace, which is just a big incandescent lightbulb that only emits in infrared).

As long as you’re heating with electricity it’s going to be pretty much an even trade.

That is true if the house is being heated with electric resistance heat.  Around here, most people with electric heat use heat pumps, which can be more efficient than electric resistance heat.  Heat pumps start becoming less efficient below around −5°C (23°F).

itdontmatter United States Posted on 01/10/2008 at 11:56 AM

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Have any one of you every tried to fire up one of these bulbs when it’s -40°F?

Does Australia get that cold?  By the time the law takes effect in the US or Canada (if it does), I suspect that low temperature performance will not be a concern. 

As was mentioned, LEDs don’t have a problem with low temperatures, and low temperature fluorescents are likely to be improved by that time.  There are already CFLs that will start at -22°F

Paul Jord United States Posted on 01/14/2008 at 01:20 AM

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Too bad it’s illegal to beat ass these days, because you’d all receive one for being foolish.
Global warming isn’t due to mankind’s influence on the earth, but rather the normal weather pattern. The climate will change constantly on our planet for years to come as is has been doing this for billions of years. By taking away some of our liberties and forcing things upon us (such as Diesel Particulate Filters on all diesel powered vehicles, EGR valves and such) you people are just creating more distaste from other human beings. There are several facts in life: you must use energy to create it (automobiles, steel mills, electricity), you much harvest crops grown from the earth as well as kill other animals for food, you must take precious minerals from the earth to make goods needed for 99% of all modern functions in life, and you must harvest trees for lumber for housing. Unfortunately, lot’s of our lumber is wasted on housing the people like most of you who are strictly against the logging industry. I brave the extreme cold and heat every day of my life because I was placed in this spot. In order to live in my area you must have the tools that work with you which help you survive. Low sulfur diesel fuel (which doesn’t heat as quickly as normal fuel) is one of the recent changes that have hurt the lifestyle. Hey genius, you know what I hate paying taxes for? Welfare, funding to government extensions such as the Environmental Protection Agency, and paying government employees and elected officials who fight against the industry in which I work. Does that make sense? They get their share of wages from the mining industry in which they fight against. I like nature, and I enjoy being able to race my cars as well as drive my trucks on this earth. But eventually that RIGHT will be taken away from me due to stupid laws created to ‘help’ our planet. I believe the only laws and programs we need are ones that exterminate human beings trying to destroy our dreams. Those are the same people who are trying to take away our individualities. One of these days when there is a majority of you ‘do-gooders’, you’ll all get together and exterminate the others. Just like Hitler. I’m not a college educated man, but a young kid who is trying to fight the crimes against our free will. You do your thing, and I shall do mine.

Les United States Posted on 01/14/2008 at 08:04 AM

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Sorry Paul, but I’ve read the studies and I’m convinced there’s more at work here than normal weather patterns. Until you can cough up something to back up your claims, well, I’ll just write you off as another denialist.

Addendum: And you should really take a moment to know people before you start telling them what kind of people they are. I’m not against the logging industry so long as they do it in a responsible fashion.

Bog Brother United States Posted on 01/14/2008 at 09:02 AM

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Attn: Paul Jord

You are indeed correct that it’s too bad it’s illegal to beat ass.  Beat your ass because you can’t seem to use the goddamn Enter key!  How do you expect anyone to parse through your crap if you can’t separate your ideas into cohesive groups that the rest of the frickin’ world calls paragraphs? 

Of course, you do not appear to be able to actually utter a coherent sentence, and what you do write is full of hyperbole and logical fallacies, so nobody should realistically be surprised.  The generally accepted means of supporting an argument is to present facts, not opinions to back up a claim.  Please note, an opinion shared by multiple people is NOT a fact, no matter how many believe it. Though you do present at least one fact about sulfur free diesel (which has not at this time been verified by our independent researchers), you muddle this fact with personal accounts and hearsay, thus negating the usefulness of your “fact” in support of your argument.  The argument which we would like to further point out, does not at all seem clear and present, though it is apparently a danger to anyone reading your “paragraph”.

You appear to have possibly cut and paste your “paragraph” from someone else, so it probably doesn’t display your actual ability to use the keyboard to produce separate multiple ideas into normally acceptable bites. However, despite having said that, We in no way absolve you from the responsibility of learning to use the language of your assumed nation of origin correctly.

So, for your crimes against the English language, you are hereby sentenced to take a freshmen English class at your local community college, and We also recommend you take a keyboarding or intro to typing class for good measure.

Sincerely,
Sgt. Bog Brother, Grammar Police

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Dan United States Posted on 04/25/2008 at 09:26 PM

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I haven’t seen any discussion regarding the environmental debacle which will be created from the mercury in all CFLs.  Anybody ask the EPA how to handle a broken CFL?  Their answer is: “Leave the room immediately after opening all windows.  Use rubber gloves to pick up the pieces, along with the underlying carpet.  Double bag and contact the appropriate HAZARDOUS WASTE collection center”.  NO THANKS!!  I’ll keep stockpiling my incandescents...and make more money to pay the electric bill!!

decrepitoldfool United States Posted on 04/25/2008 at 09:38 PM

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I haven’t seen any discussion regarding the environmental debacle which will be created from the mercury in all CFLs.

You might have tried reading the previous comments in this thread, for starters…

Bog Brother United States Posted on 04/26/2008 at 06:08 AM

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Sooo...not sure how relevant or useful this is, but I took a look at the EPA site, and they list an assload of household products that contain mercury and are a serious risk to health, AND some even require contacting Hazardous Waste Collection like our CFL bulbs.

* Airflow/fan limit controls
* Antiques
* Appliances (Electric)
* Appliances (Gas-fired)
* Barometers
* Button cell batteries
* Clothes irons
* Electronics
* Fishing tip-up lights
* Gas flow regulators
* Heating and cooling systems
* Jewelry
* Lamps/Light bulbs
* Light switches (Silent)
* Mercury
* Paint (Latex)
* Pesticides
* Plumbing
* Security systems
* Shoes
* Sporting Equipment
* Television Sets
* Thermometers
* Thermostats
* Tilt Switches

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Les United States Posted on 04/26/2008 at 10:58 AM

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I think a lot of folks are ignorant at just how much mercury is in the average home already. If handled properly cleaning up after a broken CFL bulb shouldn’t be too big of a deal.

Though I’ll admit that I’m looking forward to the prices on LED bulbs coming down soon so I can use those instead. They’re brighter, use even less energy than a CFL bulb, last even longer, and are very had to break.

elwedriddsche United States Posted on 04/26/2008 at 12:19 PM

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In our place, CFLs last about the same amount of time as incandescents. I doubt we break even on the suckers.

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Bog Brother United States Posted on 04/26/2008 at 03:23 PM

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I’ve broken a few, but at the time I didn’t know how dangerous they are supposed to be.  I’ve also broken mercury thermometers and accidentally come into contact with the mercury, so I’ve probably suffered at least a little brain damage in my time (or maybe it was all those lead paint chips I ate as a child).  In any event, I’d already be replacing all my bulbs with the LED bulbs if they weren’t still around $12+ each.

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