Your example of fear of hot stoves or flames would be at best somatic memory of the entire nervous system (especially the brain), and thus is not inheritable.  If it were inheritable, then children wouldn’t avoid touching the stove after touching it once, they would just never touch it in the first place.

I said it the human infants didn’t touch the flames from the first place, it is a part of there instincts.

The weather is a system also, does that have a goal too?

the weather’s goal is producing change in temperature, air movement and water cycling using the factors of the exposure period to the sun, the distance between the area and the sun, the air pressure, humidity, the surface material at this area, the area height and the cloud movement, observing most of these factors shows that they are very random still any system has goal intelligent or not.

I believe M. Wael that you are having some confusion over these two forms of cellular/genetic memory, as well as the thing we more commonly refer to as memory (as in, I remember what I ate for dinner last night - at best this is nervous system somatic memory).  You earlier attributed religion to genetic memory, when in fact it cannot have anything to do with it (it would have to be an inheritable trait, hard coded into the genetics of those who have it for it to be genetic memory). If religion were a genetic memory trait, then babies born to Catholic parents would be born Catholics, and no-one born Catholic would ever become anything but a Catholic.  Not even Catholics believe this to be true (in fact, if they did, it would put a huge dent in the collection of tithes I would think).

I am not confusing genetic memory with the somatic, my field of studies is applying biological based systems into mechanical based systems such mechanisms are evolution and genetic memory (imagine a windows operating system that instead of giving you the send/don’t send error window, it calls an A.I procedure that debug the error in the source code the it compiles it and delete the corrupted program to replace it with the new one so your operating system learns)
here is an exact translation from a chapter in our hand outs in the genetic memory class (put some effort to understand it because it took me 3 hours to translate it)
and talking about the immunity system you should know that all scientists agree that there is 2 different types of immune adopting systems, 1- is genetically oriented immune system which is a system that through genetic memory became able to identify the pattern of many harmful organisms , such as the immunity we have against various kinds of bacteria that might be extremely harmful to other organisms but our body is able to identify it and kill it with no anti-bodies from earlier infection, vaccine , breast feeding ,or transformation from mothers blood during pregnancy.
2- the adaptive amount system that requires one of the factors I mentioned before based on somatic memory.
and I am wondering why you left out several chapters on the same Wikipedia page that you quoted. 
‘’through experiments held by professor Mao S. Wong. in 2006 he discovered that human brain emit highly coherent photons. Our DNA uses wave frequencies of this light
to direct all of the physiological processes of the human body. recent evidence presented by Dr. George aunbar shows that brains conversation with the body isn’t only by chemical or electrical impulses but also by waves
and frequencies. Our brains are the info-readin, info-retrieval and info-readout mechanism that creates a force field surrounding us which influence every cell of our body by a minor change in their genetic code in the average rate of 0.00000005733333 chromosomes yearly’’
in a simpler term, if you and your decedent after you keep eating the exact dinner at the exact time using the exact tools for approximately 17441861.479177992975464 years, it will become in the human nature (an instinct) to eat dinner the same way you do.

Now, it might be that 70% of the mutated fruit flies in some lab survive to pass on their mutations, but that is only because the experimentors are a lot weirder than Mother Nature, and they are likely to preserve freaks, to get that grant money for their project.  How many mutations are beneficial in the wild is very difficult to ascertain, but I’d be curious where you got the figure of 70%- most biologists will tell you that it’s closer to 1% or even less.  But you don’t need more than that for evolution to happen, given enough time and enough organisms.

the 70% isn’t the rate of mutations that happens but the rate of the beneficial approach of the mutation to help the new organisms to adopt to nature for example we place 100 humans in a cold environment that they can hardly survive then after a certain period of accommodation in these harsh condition if we artificially motivate a mutation in the genes that controls hormones and hair distribution and growth , the average of 70 of these people will survive with a beneficial mutation that helps them live in this environment.
and man I wouldn’t use the term ‘freaky experiment’
since it is a very religious based thought , these people are usinf these animals so they can save your grand sons and dauters from cancer, stuipedity and other deseas.
they are the only hope for people with a disconnection in their spine.

the 70% isn’t the rate of mutations that happens but the rate of the beneficial approach of the mutation to help the new organisms to adopt to nature for example we place 100 humans in a cold environment that they can hardly survive then after a certain period of accommodation in these harsh condition if we artificially motivate a mutation in the genes that controls hormones and hair distribution and growth , the average of 70 of these people will survive with a beneficial mutation that helps them live in this environment.

Sorry, I just don’t believe this, unless you’re talking about directed genetic engineering that knows what mutation to cause, and I seriously doubt we can do that in something like this case yet.  Sources, please.

unfortunately the only source where i had this 70% information based on is professor Clause Rautchenraoukh’s experiment on flies in lower temperature with radiation exposure but as I told you he is my 80 years old college professor who thinks that he found (the crime gene and the breast cancer gene) so he isn’t that reliable for me since it isn’t in my field of expertise but when it comes to genetic memory all the evidence that i missioned in the post before can be found in the following books with even more scientific evidences that support this theory.
Chromatin and Gene Regulation: Molecular Mechanisms in Epigenetics by Bryan Turner
al zakira alginia (Ancestral memory) by Malek Aied.
Genome-wide non-mendelian inheritance of extra-genomic information in Arabidopsis (press release) by Lolle SJ, Victor JL, Young JM, Pruitt RE.
and there is some really good arguments on http://geneticmemory.org

by the way does any of you have an good background in physics and astronomy

I am wondering why you left out several chapters on the same Wikipedia page that you quoted.

OK, now you’re implying that I am attempting to mislead through omission. So very sorry I didn’t quote the entire freaking article or provide a direct link (I guess I figured doing a search for “Genetic Memory” on Wikipedia was simple enough.) Also, I guess I should have found some JAMA or other peer reviewed journal instead of Wikipedia for my information.  I did not mean to mislead anyone.

Anyway, I think I am beginning to understand your ideas, but…

recent evidence presented by Dr. George aunbar shows that brains conversation with the body isn’t only by chemical or electrical impulses but also by waves
and frequencies. Our brains are the info-readin, info-retrieval and info-readout mechanism that creates a force field surrounding us which influence every cell of our body by a minor change in their genetic code in the average rate of 0.00000005733333 chromosomes yearly

Do you have a source for this claim?  Perhaps a peer reviewed article that Dr. Aunbar published supporting this claim? A force field?  Waves and frequencies? Given such a wild claim I have to ask the following questions:

1)What evidence is there to support any of this?
2) What is a force field?
3) What frequencies does the human body use and can they be measured?

I have to seriously doubt the veracity of this claim unless you can provide some solid evidence that any of it is more than some guy’s imagination. Just because the guy who said it has a “Dr.” in front of his name does not make it so. If you doubt this, just ask “Dr.” Kent Hovind about the science of creation (oh dear, I hope that doesn’t draw any crazies here!)

unfortunately the only source where i had this 70% information based on is professor Clause Rautchenraoukh’s experiment on flies in lower temperature with radiation exposure but as I told you he is my 80 years old college professor who thinks that he found (the crime gene and the breast cancer gene) so he isn’t that reliable for me

And yet, you appear to be quoting his work as if it were reliable for you.  You seem to chalk your professor up as a crackpot, has he had any of his experiments published in peer reviewed journals (where his experiments would be replicated successfully multiple times before being published)?  For real science, replication of an experiment is the key, not just developing wild ideas. 

While it’s true that some wild ideas do turn out to be truth, we never can be sure about these things unless they can be observed by multiple independent experiments.

by the way does any of you have an good background in physics and astronomy

I do not have a “professional” background in these fields, but I fail to see how it’s relevant to our discussion of a biological phenomena. I think it’s far more important to be rational and have a good grounding in the scientific method and skepticism than to be as familiar with specific facts (unless you are a physicist or astronomer of course).

That is to say, it’s more important to know how to think than to just know an encyclopedia of facts. I’m not accusing you of “not knowing how to think”, but I would like to encourage you to be a bit more critical of what you are saying and believing.

Our brains are the info-readin, info-retrieval and info-readout mechanism that creates a force field surrounding us which influence every cell of our body by a minor change in their genetic code in the average rate of 0.00000005733333 chromosomes yearly’’

Excuse me, “force field”? Are you serious? What is a “force field” anyway?

0.00000005733333 chromosomes yearly that come to 0.000005733333 chromosomes in a 100 year old human. That come to 0.003115941 genes changed in a 100 year old man. Since gene changes are whole numbers, it would take about 30,000 years for a human to experience a change in a single gene by your numbers.

dude brain frequencies (minor electro magnetic field) can be measured and their existance isn’t a subject of a debate , they are testable , observable but what they do is still uncertain and a subject for the debate since there is no testable or measurable explaination for their job , and this is why genetic memory is a theory and not a fact , in other words these frequancies might be resposible for directed non-random change in the dna or might be doing something else(or not doing anything at all.
the fact that your genom changes a minor change by time is testble and measurable using a sequancing machine with a decent aqquiricy (You can do it on your self if such an analsys machine is avilabe), the rate of change on the other hand changes depending on the aquiricy of the machine and the number that was puplished dependend on the most advance available machine in 2005 so i think you may find a better avregr rate of change now but it would propably be 0.000000057xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx , i wasnt quating the doctor but am qouating his testable experiments and his logical pridiction (theory) , if you have a better theory that explains the change in behavior and instinct in terms of traits that doesn’t conflict with the organizms survival so natural selecation cant take them out. (the examples i gave before) please lets hear it and it would be scientificly acceptable if its build on more scientifical evedince than the genetic memory.
untill then genetic memory is the only explainantion.
your argument is very similar to the greationist argument that if science is still uncertain about the orgin of life then all the scientific abiogenesis theorys are pridictions!
but a pridiction based on scientific facts is a theory so if they have a better logical explination supported by evedince bring it on ,else, all the abiogenesis theorys survive.
as some one said once ‘’ science givs proof but no certainy while religion gives certainy and no proof.’’
and man i got tiered of researching on this subject , it isn’t my field so ask some one in the genetic engineering society except if you want to argue about some thing in c++ ,java ,lisb and artificial intelligence.

sorry if the world flied wasnt much accuirt but it is a tarnslation that i did without a dictionary but any way these electromagnetic fields are a major by them self check this out:
http://www.uzh.ch/keyinst/NewLORETA/LORETA01.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroencephalography

dude brain frequencies (minor electro magnetic field) can be measured and their existance isn’t a subject of a debate , they are testable , observable but what they do is still uncertain and a subject for the debate since there is no testable or measurable explaination for their job , and this is why genetic memory is a theory and not a fact , in other words these frequancies might be resposible for directed non-random change in the dna or might be doing something else(or not doing anything at all.

Or not doing anything at all- you got it.  Yes, there are electromagnetic fields generated by the brain.  That is no surprise: any electrical activity generates a field.  They are simply a necessary by-product of what the brain does.

But there’s a bit of difference between a field which can be likened to the 60Hz hum around power cords, and a field that is:
-powerful enough to cause mutations in the germ cells two feet away
-directed by an intelligence that understands the genetic code well enough to know exactly where to cause what kind of mutation in the genome, and
-precise enough to focus in on all (or even just some) of those egg and/or sperm cells.

You might as well believe in God and have done with it.

-precise enough to focus in on all (or even just some) of those egg and/or sperm cells.

mutations can be passed through cell division.

You might as well believe in God and have done with it.

god (as in christianity , jewdism and islam) was a valid theory until the 11 century when there was new scientific facts that proved these teachings to be wrong.
the theory of living on a giant turtle’s back got replaced with living on a flat earth then got replaced with living on a round earth and might one day get replaced with living in the matrix one day , its the matter of who presents more data.
god (as a high spirtual entity) was still a valid theory until the 18th century when mathmatics biology and physics took his place as a logical explaination.
so this is what science is all about, using facts to come up with the most logical explianation for any phenomena (theory) and if a better logical explianation come afterward then the theory get replaced and once a theory gets proven then it is a fact.
so as i told you , present a logical explanation for the disappearance of some traits that doesn’t conflict with natural selection ,why there is instincts that some have and some others don’t ,why when an organism stop using an organ for generations it fades away although he can live with it in his environment freely, why is the continues change in our genome and why we are different from our late ancestor in many ways , why do identical twins have 98% match while they were 100% match when the zygote divides into 2 embryos, why there is activated and deactivated genes that we don’t know how and when they might activate or deactivate (the human tail).
once you have a theory with as little evedince as genetic memory presents then genetic memory is as dead as god but until then it is a valid theory (and it wasnt me who made it up), and if you are intrested in it you might want to buy the books I reffered to since they have the bigest amount of data about this theory in an organised way then disprove it and come up with a better theory to explain these things and ill be your first follower.

m.wael alkel- I like your style and your intentions, but I still say that genetic memory, in the sense of learned experiences being encoded in the germ line, is no more likely than our being in the Matrix: there’s no evidence for it, and considerable evidence against it, going back to Weissman in the 1890’s.  All of the examples you mention are either straightforward cases of natural selection, or things that are not fully understood yet.

For instance: if an organ is no longer necessary to an animal, then natural selection will eventually cause it to disappear.  Even if an animal can live fine with the unused organ, it still costs something to make and maintain, and it will thus be selectively advantageous (even if only slightly) to not have the organ.

zilch i understood your last example therefor i agree i lost the argument but hey don’t why both agree that intelligence currently isn’t being fully used by many people nowadays and through natural selection they might evolve into humans with less intelligence, and i think we both agree that between 1850 until 1980 was such a delightful experience in the human history where science started to accelerate like no time before will the believes in myths and legends started to fade away, isn’t it a lame that in the year 2007 there is millions of people with a disconnected spine who might have a hope with human cloning in walking , moving their hands or even shaking their heads (in some cases) because god said so, isn’t it a lame to watch our best minds die if we can clone them and try to simulate their life events all over again but we cant because god said so, isn’t it a lame to let go of project direct mars with the coast of 2 billions to put humans on mars while spend billions of billions on wars to control a source of power that might finish soon because god said so , it isn’t a lame for 5 college students to blow them selfs up in thousands of inecent people on 9/11 because god said so, and it isn’t a lame for holding back robotics,genetics and medicen because god said so, or people forgot burning chemists and engineers in the name of Christianity or they forgot beating women and enslaving people in the name of Islam.
back in the 60s students were had evolution in their biology classes and celebrated taking bullshitology (theology) out of their schools.

While it’s true that selective pressures are different nowadays, and many people are surviving who wouldn’t have ten thousand, or a thousand, or even a hundred years ago, including people who are not very intelligent, the fact is that genetic evolution is so glacially slow in comparison to cultural evolution that it doesn’t really make that much difference to our fate.

Much more to the point are the various lamenesses you mention, with which I mostly agree.  Let me know if you’re ever in Vienna, and the drinks are on me.

man you are one of Freud’s people, your scientists such as Siegfried Marcus developed the automobiles technologies in 40 years between(1850-1890) that we would need 200 years to develop.
and we have also to give the credit to mandel’s pean plants, but i always wonder since he is a monk , if he knew that genetics will hold serious arguments against religion would he have done his research.

Not that I know for sure, but I suspect that Mendel was a monk for the same reason that Darwin studied for the ministry: back then, it was the way to go for people interested in naturalism: there was no profession of “botanist” or “biologist” in the mid-nineteenth century.  Lots of paleontology, biology, and botany was done by men of the cloth, since they had lots of free time.

And I’m not really an Austrian, though I’ve lived here for quite a while: I’m still an American citizen.  But I’m not really an “American” either: I’m an Earthling.  What are you?

well with a Chinese mother and a Syrian father raised in Greek Cyprus and studied in an American school you can say earthling although i suspect that i got adopted from planet Zolo6 in the ‘i hate 90% of the human society today’ galaxy

Whoa, that’s seriously “multi-kulti” as they say.  Sounds a bit like a friend of mine whose mother is Korean, father Moroccan, grew up in Vienna, and is studying in England.  But she hates only 85% of human society.

hey man i read that you are a music instrumental how much would it cost to make a specially designed clarinette from white gold in vienna

Why white gold?  Just curious.

The only clarinets I’ve made so far are “chalmeaux”, that is, medieval clarinets, and they are of wood.  I don’t work much with gold.

1-its just a show off clarinet for shows and stuff , i have 1 silver for training
2- gold doesn’t react to weather and environment like wood, and i want a thing that stays for hundreds of years with the same shape.
3- i saw a white gold hand made clarinet that used to belong to the cessar in a museum in Moscow and i loved it.

the wood gives some passion to music but its a matter of time before it gets old especially if you are living on an island with high humidity.

Zilch:

My sense of humour has been described as everything from “assholish” to “really strange” but I have never heard it referred to as “delicious” before. Thank you; you made egotistically searching the internet for messages about myself worthwhile.

Hey, MFD.  Credit where credit is due, mon.  If you’re ever in Vienna, drop me a line.