Texas Baptists show they don’t understand the word “interfaith.“

Posted by Les on Monday, November 19, 2007 at 07:30 PM. Read 15116 times. Tags: , , , ,
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The folks who run the evangelical megachurch named Hyde Park Baptist Church in Texas may want to invest in a couple of dictionaries as it’s clear that they don’t understand the meaning of the words “interfaith” or “tolerance” and need to look them up. They had originally agreed to host the Austin Area Interreligious Ministries’ annual Thanksgiving celebration only to back out at the last minute when they suddenly realized, despite having been told in advance, that there would be non-Christians, particularly Muslims, participating:

Organizers had booked the gymnasium at the Quarries in July and made the interfaith aspect clear to Quarries staff at that time, said Simone Talma Flowers, Interreligious Ministries’ interim director.

Several Muslim groups were acting as this year’s hosts for the event. Kent Jennings, associate pastor of administration at Hyde Park, released a statement Thursday that said church leaders received a postcard about the service Monday and only then realized that it “was not a Christian oriented event.“

The postcard also “promised space for Muslim Maghrib prayer and revealed that the event was co-hosted by the Central Texas Muslimaat, the Forum of Muslims for Unity, and the Institute of Interfaith Dialog,“ according to Hyde Park’s statement.

“Although individuals from all faiths are welcome to worship with us at Hyde Park Baptist Church, the church cannot provide space for the practice of these non-Christian religions on church property,“ the statement said.

Kent Jennings then added, without the slightest hint he recognized the irony in doing so, the following statement:

“Hyde Park Baptist Church hopes that the AAIM and the community of faith will understand and be tolerant of our church’s beliefs that have resulted in this decision.“

SEB Translation: PLEASE BE TOLERANT OF OUR INTOLERANCE FOR WE ARE DUMBASSES WHO DON’T KNOW WHAT INTERFAITH MEANS!

For awhile there it appeared as though the group wouldn’t be able to locate another host for the gathering, but a Jewish synagogue stepped up to show the Baptists what asses they were being:

With hundreds of people expected to attend and only a few days to find another site, Muslim organizer Shams Siddiqi said they couldn’t find another facility. That’s when leaders at Congregation Beth Israel, Austin’s largest synagogue, offered to host the celebration.

“Symbolically, that’s a very good thing,“ Siddiqi said of the joint Jewish-Muslim endeavor.

Of Hyde Park’s decision, he said it was “unfortunate that people still feel this way in this day and age.“

Well they are evangelicals so it probably shouldn’t be a big surprise. It’s not like they shouldn’t have known ahead of time as this is only the 23rd year that this event has taken place. As one person in the news item asks, is that what Jesus would have done?

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Last_Hussar Great Britain (UK) Posted on 11/19/2007 at 07:59 PM

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‘Inter’ = Between. Which bit do you think they didn’t read?  Perhaps they thought it was just different flavours of Christians. (Let the Baskin-Robbins jokes begin)

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AppalachianLady United States Posted on 11/19/2007 at 10:35 PM

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According to my own personal thesaurus, based upon having been raised in a Baptist church, common synonyms for “Baptist” include “self-righteous”, “intolerant”, “stupid”, “bigoted”, and “dumbass”.

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Webs United States Posted on 11/19/2007 at 11:22 PM

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Evangelicals seem full of these types of examples. But this one is certainly special.

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parkay United States Posted on 11/19/2007 at 11:40 PM

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also from the statesman.com news article
Every year, a different faith group hosts the Thanksgiving event, which typically includes food, prayer, song and dance.

DANCING in a baptist church property!!! they should have claimed that was the reason they had to back out of their agreement.

Guido Switzerland Posted on 11/20/2007 at 03:32 AM

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Bah, there I was, hopping over to the comments in the hope that some religious nutjob defended the baptist definition of “tolerance”, and I’m at a loss - there is nobody like that here.

What happened? What’s wrong? Do I need to re-think my life?

Bog Brother United States Posted on 11/20/2007 at 06:01 AM

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Guido- just wait, I’ll draw the nutjobs in….Golden Compass, Evolution, Intelligent Design, Kent Ham, Kent Hovind….There, that should do it!

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zilch Sweden Posted on 11/20/2007 at 06:32 AM

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Bog Brother- you forgot the Grilled Cheese Virgin Mary…

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Michelle United States Posted on 11/20/2007 at 10:36 AM

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This is happened a lot…Christians tend to think that Interfaith means just a bunch of other Christians.

I’ve been invited to panels for interfaith discussion.  One was for a class on religion…it was enlightening with Mormon, Muslim Christian and Pagan members all there.

Another all the various groups turned down.  The local John 3:16 church wanted to have Pagans and Muslims on a panel so they could:  “learn what makes pagans and muslims tick and apply this to the conversion process in Europe and Africa.“

We said Hel No.

Bastich United States Posted on 11/20/2007 at 11:29 AM

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You guys all missed the point. They actually heard the kid who works their favorite liquor store was showing up and they couldn’t have him spilling the beans about the head deacon showing up last month totally plastered.

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Bog Brother United States Posted on 11/20/2007 at 12:48 PM

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An interesting thought: would the organizers allow the Atheist Community of Austin to participate, or would it be a “believers only” event?  I’m not saying the ACA would want to participate, or that atheism is a religion (though many theists do make that claim), but if they wanted to, would the organizers refuse their participation?  If yes, would they be forced to admit that Atheism is not a religion? Perhaps I’m stirring up a pot of shit here where none need be stirred, but I thought it was an interesting thought.

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decrepitoldfool United States Posted on 11/20/2007 at 03:15 PM

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I wonder what the local community reaction has been?  I mean outside of the local

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Baptist community.

Webs United States Posted on 11/20/2007 at 05:01 PM

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I would imagine many in the area are glad that terrorists are being kept out of THEIR church.

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DaBroad United States Posted on 11/20/2007 at 09:23 PM

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Just another reason to not move to Texas.

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Justice United States Posted on 11/20/2007 at 11:33 PM

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Brother Spikey Mace of Patience, Bog Brother is waving them in, and you alone are going to make things pop in their poor l’il heads. It could be bad.  shut eye

Ragman United States Posted on 11/21/2007 at 07:51 AM

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Guess they must have confused interfaith with intra-faith.

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Bog Brother United States Posted on 11/21/2007 at 08:00 AM

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Brother Spikey Mace of Patience, Bog Brother is waving them in, and you alone are going to make things pop in their poor l’il heads. It could be bad.

Oh Brothers and Sisters, have mercy on these poor confused people, for they seem unable to undahstand that there is a veritable plethora of religious inclinations all across this heere fine nation, especially in the region of the GREAT state of Texas, where in there is alone at the very least at least FOUR whole different indahviduals of the one true faith; of course I am speaking of the faith that moves mountains, the faith that makes the blind to walk and the lame to see, the faith that alone has defeated the evil one and delivered us into the eternal salvation that is so rightfully ours for believing in his noodly appendages.  Yes Brothers and Sisters, have faith and ye shall be touched, and pray that he does caress these HEATHENS with his noodly goodness soon so that we can all come together and be of one mind and one spirit. In his Noodly Name we pray.  Ramen.

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Webs United States Posted on 11/21/2007 at 08:53 AM

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So I started reading Bog Brother’s passage in a Southern Baptist voice, and could barely hold back my laughter as I got toward the end. LOL  LOL

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Bog Brother United States Posted on 11/21/2007 at 12:09 PM

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So I started reading Bog Brother’s passage in a Southern Baptist voice, and could barely hold back my laughter as I got toward the end.

If you do read it aloud, ya gotta remember that the first sentence needs to be said without taking a breath in order to make it sound extra authentic.

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Wandering Monk United States Posted on 11/24/2007 at 12:27 PM

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By definition a megachurch is independent. Hyde Park Baptist church is not, they participate in the Southern Baptist Convention.

Speaking of knowing definitions to words…

Bog Brother United States Posted on 11/24/2007 at 03:25 PM

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By definition a megachurch is independent. Hyde Park Baptist church is not, they participate in the Southern Baptist Convention.

Um, semantics aside, how exactly does that change the point of this thread?

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erry South Africa Posted on 11/24/2007 at 03:31 PM

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Each and every baptist preacher is a deviate. I know a lot that got converted in jail and other deviant places. GO Boys GO - Your Bullshit always catches up on you!!
Science never backed down from religion, but religion always “kow-tows” to science!
Religion is on it’s way out - thank f=ck.
Long live AMERICA - f$cf all christians, muslims, jews and other misguided people.
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Bog Brother United States Posted on 11/24/2007 at 04:34 PM

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Wow.  Gerry, if you aren’t being a total sarcastic ass (and I know a lot about being a total sarcastic ass), can you just keep that to yourself?  We at the World-Wide Atheist Conspiracy don’t really need your kind of help.  You see, with your absolute statements and generalizations about one or more religious groups, you just come off as what they like to call an “Angry Atheist”. It doesn’t really help our cause, you just look like you’re pissed at their god.  If you want to be angry, try producing some hard evidence to support your claims, be frustrated at their absolute claims and groundless assertions rather than producing your own.  It helps us keep the Rational Thinkers Cup in our trophy case from year to year.

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told ya so United States Posted on 11/25/2007 at 05:22 AM

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Why is everyone so surprised this happenened. Interfaith to them could only mean other christian churchs and If you think the nation of Islam followers would do anything different wake the fuck up and smell the c4.

Bog Brother United States Posted on 11/25/2007 at 08:39 AM

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told ya so -
Ah yes, the old “at least we are not as bad as the Muslims” defense.  Who said anything about being surprised? Do you think that anyone here is surprised that a denomination not exactly known for it’s tolerance of other religions does not understand “interfaith”?  No, I’m pretty sure this was posted to point out the irony.  Kinda like the fact that you interpreted the irony as surprise.  You know, that’s kinda ironic all by itself. Good jorb!

By the way, the Nation of Islam is the group lead by Louis Farrakhan, not the terrorists from Saudi Arabia who took down the WTC.  Though they share the same religion, and The Nation of Islam does have questionable methods and practices, I doubt that you should really equate 9/11 to the Million Man March.  They do happen to share the same religion, but if you are going to paint all Muslims with the same brush, then there really shouldn’t be any difference between Catholics and Baptists right?  After all, they are all Christians, right?

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Guido Switzerland Posted on 11/25/2007 at 08:49 AM

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Hooray, the nutjobs are starting to pour in! Bring it on smile

Too bad there aren’t just religious ones but actually atheist ones too, this comes as a surprise to me (unlike the things about baptists, or “told ya so”‘s completely predictable banter).

The funniest thing is that that last reply obviously stems from a person who hasn’t had much contact with muslim culture as of yet - traditional stereotypes, both muslim and christian ones, are the thing my (muslim) parents-in-law and myself (being agnostic, but on paper christian) laugh most often about.

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