Teaching the Psychology “controversy”

Posted by VoijaRisa on Sunday, June 18, 2006 at 01:17 PM. Read 1853 times. Tags: ,
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I make no secret that I think the ID slogan of “teach the controversy” is nothing but a baseless appeal to uninformed citizen’s sense of fairness. If there’s a controversy, both sides deserve to be heard. However, with ID, there is no credible scientific controversy.

But ID isn’t the only false religiously driven controversy out there today. The new pet religion of crazies like Tom Cruise, Scientology, seeks to undermine psychiatry. Their claim is that psychiatric drugs are extremely harmful. They point out things such as the fact that, although we frequently use terms like “chemical imbalance”, scientists have never been able to determine what chemicals these would be.

What they fail to note the overwhelming success of treatments. Instead, they cherry pick examples that support their position. But in reality, even before science developed the germ theory of disease and illness was believed to be the cause of humors or demons, we were still able to recognize that certain plants had excellent restorative powers.

Thus, it does’t necessarily require a complete understanding of the cause to recognize a treatment.

But as with the ID movement, Scientologists damn the facts and support “teaching the controversy”. Unfortunately for them, they don’t have the full support of an entire political party to push their agenda. However, it seems they’re trying.

According to the Chicago Tribune, Kenneth Dunkin (D) endorsed an exhibit that describes psychiatry as a pseudoscience and claims that it pushes pills and is, somehow, related to Nazism (sound familiar?).

The exhibit was created by “Citizens Commission on Human Rights”, an organization created and paid for by the Church of Scientology (ie, their version of the Discovery Institute).

The display has promted visitors to contact the Illinois chapter of National Alliance for Mental Illness with complaints and confusion over the authority of the exhibit. Yet Dunkin stands by his sponsorship, saying, “There is a culture that says if you don’t use this drug you can’t be cured. In fact, no drug can cure you.”

While I certainly agree that this culture is far too dependant on medications as a quick fix and a way to hide from underlying problems, to claim that medications can’t assist in cures and are worthless is a dangerous extreme that is opposed almost universally by scientists.

These pseudoscientific “controversies” play on the ethical fairness many of us feel, but little on logic. Sadly this trend seems to be growing and threatens to undermine science.

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Moloch United States Posted on 06/19/2006 at 01:06 AM

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Bah, screw that shit.

psychiatry...related to Nazism

Right, name calling will get them what they want.

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VoijaRisa United States Posted on 06/19/2006 at 01:55 AM

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Here’s the full text:

An Illinois state representative who sponsored the return of a controversial Scientology-linked exhibit to the Thompson Center this month says he supported the display because it offered “an alternative perspective on psychotropic drugs.”

In endorsing the exhibit, which describes psychiatry as a pseudoscience that pushes pills and is similar to Nazism, Rep. Kenneth Dunkin cited the brutal medical research performed by the Nazis as well as the inhumane Tuskegee Syphilis Study, which conducted testing on poor minority sharecroppers.

“I am not a Scientologist but someone has to give an alternative perspective,” said Dunkin, a North Side Democrat.

The exhibit, “Destroying Lives: Psychiatry Exposed,” was created by the Citizens Commission on Human Rights, founded by the Church of Scientology. It closed last week.

Scientologists view psychiatry as fraudulent. Tom Cruise, a prominent Scientologist, had a public dustup with fellow actor Brooke Shields last year over her use of anti-depressants, adding fuel to the fire.

When the same exhibit went up at the Thompson Center in December 2003, the administration of Gov. Rod Blagojevich sought to have it removed. The display was reinstated in January after attorneys concluded the display did not promote a religious point of view.

The Illinois chapter of National Alliance for Mental Illness reported receiving several complaints last week from people who found the content of the exhibit offensive and were confused by the Citizens Commission’s official-sounding name.

Katherine Rush, who works in the building, said she contacted Dunkin’s office to complain.

“The problem with Scientologists asking a state rep to sponsor the display is that it makes it awkward for another politician to say anything critical,” Rush said. “It makes it personal.”

Meryl Sosa, executive director of the Illinois Psychiatric Society, said she wondered why Dunkin would endorse an exhibit featuring “disturbing” images of institutionalized patients in restraints and undergoing electroshock therapy. It also connects the use of psychiatric drugs to high-profile murders and school shootings.

“We couldn’t figure out what was behind his thought process to publicly sponsor it,” she said. “The affiliation with a state legislator ... has put it in a different realm. It makes it look legit.”

Marla Filidei, the Citizens Commission’s vice president, said she couldn’t recall how the connection with Dunkin was made. But he is not the first politician to lend his name to the exhibit, which has been shown in more than 145 cities in 18 countries, she said.

“The only place we’ve had a problem has been Illinois,” she said, referring to the Blagojevich administration’s earlier efforts to block the display.

Dr. Carl Bell, a prominent Chicago psychiatrist who like Dunkin is African-American, called the exhibit “not an alternative view, but a harmful view.”

The mistrust of psychiatry in minority communities “only widens the gap in health disparities,” he said. “[Dunkin] thinks he’s helping constituents, but he’s actually harming them.”

The legislator said he stands by his sponsorship. “There is a culture that says if you don’t use this drug you can’t be cured,” Dunkin said. “In fact, no drug can cure you.”

zilch Austria Posted on 06/19/2006 at 02:10 AM

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Now, if the Scientologists had attacked Freudian psychology as being a pseudo-science, I would have more or less agreed, given its dismal success record.  Yes, reliance on drugs can be dangerous, and must be considered carefully.  But the success rate of Prozac and similar treatments, even if their precise effects are unknown, speaks for itself.

And it’s not as if Scientology has anything better to offer…

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Bachalon United States Posted on 06/19/2006 at 03:22 AM

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This can go right along with “intelligent falling.”

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elwedriddsche United States Posted on 06/19/2006 at 09:06 AM

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I can’t figure out Scientology’s profit motive. How does ranting and railing against happy pills boost their bottom line?

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tim gueguen Canada Posted on 06/19/2006 at 09:55 AM

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I would guess they assume that if people don’t go to a shrink they might come to Scientology to solve their problems instead.  On the other hand it may simply be that Elron didn’t like the profession, and they’re just carrying on his dislike without much rational thought simply because it was the will of the “Great Leader.”

Les United States Posted on 06/19/2006 at 11:08 AM

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Elwed: I can’t figure out Scientology’s profit motive. How does ranting and railing against happy pills boost their bottom line?

One word: Dianetics:

    Dianetics is a set of ideas and practices regarding the relationship between mind and body that were developed by author L. Ron Hubbard. Hubbard believed most mental and physical problems are caused by traumatic memories (which he called “engrams") that are stored in the unconscious mind—in his terminology, the “reactive mind.” The goal of Dianetics is to become rid (or “cleared") of this portion of one’s mind. Once at this state of “Clear,” according to Hubbard, an individual becomes able to function at his or her full potential.

    Hubbard first introduced Dianetics to the public in April 1950, in an article published in the magazine Astounding Science Fiction. In his subsequent book Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health (also 1950), Hubbard presented Dianetics as a revolutionary and scientifically developed alternative to conventional psychotherapy and psychiatry, claiming that it could increase intelligence, eliminate unwanted emotions and alleviate a wide range of illnesses he regarded as psychosomatic. The central practice of Dianetics is “auditing”, in which a “pre-clear” (usually with the assistance of a counselor called an “auditor") attempts to confront the engrams in his reactive mind, thus treating the wide variety of conditions that they cause. Auditing frequently employs a device called an E-meter, which measures the electrical resistance of the human body and which followers of Hubbard claim “measures the spiritual state or change of state of a person”.

They’re against happy pills because it’s in direct competition with their idiotic belief system.

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moses United States Posted on 06/19/2006 at 11:39 AM

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“There is a culture that says if you don’t use this drug you can’t be cured. In fact, no drug can cure you.�

Tell that to my doctor the next time he takes my blood pressure, which by the way shoots up whenever I think about those assholes!
** I first got interested in religion when I was a young teenaged recruit for Scientology in 1967. I quickly caught on that it was a scam. Then a few weeks later L. Ron Hubbard came to Toronto from his boat in the Caribbean. (Sea-Org)
I overheard him talking to one of the other guys about some new tenants they were going to introduce to the faithful.  The guy said, “Ron, we can’t tell them that! It will never fly, these people aren’t completely stupid you know!” To which Hubbard replied, “Let’s just see how stupid they really are!”
(By the way - Hubbard might be dead - but I’ll bet he’s still laughing his ass off!) Just so you know.  ----Allan

From the book “God-101 (what the church doesn’t want you top know!)”

MooseTrain United States Posted on 06/20/2006 at 12:14 AM

zilch Austria Posted on 06/20/2006 at 01:43 AM

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One thing the Scientologists are good for:  if you ever catch yourself thinking “So many people believe in Jesus- how could they all be deceived?”, just consider at all the people who believe we’re inhabited by Body Thetans…

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LuckyJohn19 Australia Posted on 06/20/2006 at 08:58 AM

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Zilch: ... just consider all the people who believe we’re inhabited by Body Thetans…

It’s a scary world in which we live ... not. LOL

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elwedriddsche United States Posted on 06/20/2006 at 09:10 AM

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It is is a scary world, but you can’t let this drag you down. It’s a bit disheartening, though, that whatever crap one person comes up with, there’s another one who’ll believe it.

Say, I have this invisible bridge to sell…

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LuckyJohn19 Australia Posted on 06/20/2006 at 09:15 AM

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Elwed: Say, I have this invisible bridge to sell…

I have this invisible pair of rose coloured glasses to sell ...
I was gonna say ‘invisible being’ but no one woulda bought it. LOL

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moses United States Posted on 06/20/2006 at 09:25 AM

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From the book God-101.com”Say something enough times, with enough conviction, and people will believe just about anything!”
Allan

elwedriddsche United States Posted on 06/20/2006 at 09:28 AM

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Did I mention that the invisible bridge can only be passed if you have faith in it? If you take a plunge, your faith clearly wasn’t strong enough.

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elwedriddsche United States Posted on 06/20/2006 at 09:35 AM

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moses/Allen: The Big Lie, virtually guaranteed to work. It wouldn’t surprise me if there’s math to figure out how many repetitions are needed for how big a whopper.

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decrepitoldfool United States Posted on 06/20/2006 at 10:16 AM

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Did I mention that the invisible bridge can only be passed if you have faith in it? If you take a plunge, your faith clearly wasn’t strong enough.

I remember that scene: Indiana Jones had to step into apparent empty space to cross the chasm…

moses United States Posted on 06/20/2006 at 10:58 AM

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Say something enough times, with enough conviction, and people will believe just about anything!�

Does this relate to “Bullshit beats brains anyday!!” Yesssssss

Last_Hussar Great Britain (UK) Posted on 06/20/2006 at 11:27 AM

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a prominent Chicago psychiatrist who like Dunkin is African-American

so what? Why do newspapers feel the need to mention things like this? Howdoes it enhance the item?

PS LJ- your avatar appears to be corrupted- it looks like Jason Donovan doing a Rolf Harris impression…

(from ‘The Big Book of how to be slapped by an Aussie)

PPS Bad luck against Brazil- Oz deserved more.

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Diamonddille United States Posted on 06/20/2006 at 06:13 PM

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Yea, those Crazy Scientologists, probably 10 Million in Number agree with all the other major religions of the world probably 500 Million, That we are Spiritual Beings, Isn’t that absurd?

They even claim that with LRH technology and E-Meter( Meter that picks up thought just below your conscious level) They can get back your Spiritual memories of your spiritual past. They claim if you played a piano last life time and you got your memory back of that life time, you would regain the ability back. Isn’t that just crazy?

It makes more sense that we are just bodies, a piece of meat, that thinks, and that Drugs, balances the chemical imbalances in our brain and with those balances corrected, we become normal and are able to recall our memories(THIS life time Only). Now that makes more sense. It is not Science Fiction and is much easier to believe, Right?

It makes more sense we spend 70 years learning and learning and learning to just die and all that knowledge , gone. Now that is real analytical and is the truth, Right?

To claim that God is a Spiritual Being, and if we were to wake up or grow up to who we really are we would be Spiritual Beings too With the same spirtirual abilities and Powers? Come on they are just crazy. That is just Science fiction.
To think we are really Spiritual beings, that have amenesia on who we really are. That the Pain of our past lives and the pain of the births, have caused amnesia. Pain causes amnesia?

I remember some Science fiction show that someone got amnesia and forgot who he was. To think we have amnesia on a whole track scale? WOW

They claim that Drugs , because it screws up your time track is another reason you can’t remember. Crazy. When I drank to much or took too many drugs, my memory was perfect, the next day,I thinK? Well maybe, No.. That can’t be right.

Then they claim that If you take responsibility for all your bad acts, you will feel so good, that you will literally float right out of your body. Rediculous, Doing confessionals make you feel good? Doing confessionals of your whole time track, makes you feel so good you become yourself, a completely different person, Rediculous. When they find out who they really are, I’ll tell you who I really am. I know who I am. I know I am this body, I am my name , I am Solid, I know I am taking my body with me when I die, Right?
They claim you can just KNOW when your out side your body. Come on a spirit just knows, crazy.

Yea those crazy Scientologists, little do they know that we are just a piece of meat. While they are out there outside there body being a total extrovert, able to see the source of there problems and floating around doing things with out a body, exterior to life, Crazy. I know I am an intovert, I know life is very hard and very real, very solid. TO think that life gets less hard or real as you transend the physical and that the real answers to who you really are and the real universe ( THE spiritual?) Yea right, I’ll just have to wait till I die to find out. Having that knowledge know, what good does that do me? To be cause over the mental or spiritual makes you cause over your life, yea right? I never get what I hold in my mind? They are looney, arent they?

VoijaRisa United States Posted on 06/20/2006 at 06:26 PM

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I can’t tell if that rant was serious or not.

LuckyJohn19 Australia Posted on 06/20/2006 at 07:29 PM

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VR: I can’t tell if that rant was serious or not.

Mmmm. I lean towards his being a scientologist, but I could be wrong. wink

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Bachalon United States Posted on 06/20/2006 at 07:32 PM

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You take that back! grin

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Sadie Jane United States Posted on 06/20/2006 at 09:31 PM

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John: I lean towards his being a scientologist, but I could be wrong.

Could it be that SEB has just experienced its first Scientologist proselytizer? Historic if true.

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TheJynXeD United States Posted on 06/21/2006 at 01:38 AM

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Scientologists are evil nuts who defame, libel, and sue anyone who speaks out against them. Biggest scam in the world they are. To attend “Clearing” sessions you have to pay money, and lots of it. Namely the nice low starting price of $2,000 USD. Oh, and let’s not even get started on their “workshops”, which can run you between $10,000 and $25,000 USD PER WORKSHOP.

All Scientology is, is a big money-making scam for the people at the top of the pole. Anyone under those top people (and especially celebs) are either too brainwashed (or braindead) to see what is going on, or are so embarassed at having been scammed out of so much cash that they don’t quit, thus perpetuating the scam risk-free for those at the top.

Scientology is what I call a “Quasi-Religious Pyramid Scheme” (TM).

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