heh heh, thanks for posting this Les. Since I live in Charleston, it’s appropriate for me to make my view known. I called Lisa Buzzelli to let her know that I for one believe in evolution and know many others here who do as well. The theater has gotten “about a million calls” on the subject, according to one of the operators, and the bulk are in favor of showing the film. I suspect Lisa is letting her personal beliefs affect what the rest of us get a chance to see.

Anyone else who cares to weigh in can call 843.725.4629.

Believe me, they aren’t as backward here as others elsewhere may think. Just ask Lisa Buzzelli, after she’s had a few more calls.

Believe me, they aren’t as backward here as others elsewhere may think.

Of course not, Brock- after all, you are there, propping up the grade curve…

St. Darwin is smiling down on you.

Hey U,
I’m frome the soth an we dont take kindly to peeple who got fancy idears that I came from a microbe! My daddy was’nt no microbe he drove a truck and went to church every Sunday so don’t be sayin I came from a microbe! Hell microbes ain’t got fangers an toes niether --all six of mine are jist find!! Hell microbes kant make a baby with my sister(our first)--why cause microbes ain’t got know DICK!! Shitt eveybody noes that GOD created the earth an the unyvirse --for peeple who are soposed to be soo smart ya’ll sure ain’t actin viry smart!! Don’t worry peeple lik me will be helpin ya’ll git it strate an once we get this problem fixed then preacher says that all this nonsence about the sun being the center of the soler sistem is next!!

Stupid Evil Bastard,

I love the site!  I wish everyone in America was more like you.  Sharing opinions and ideas is key to positive social evolution.

I have two points to make:

1) I think it’s pathetic that they don’t show the film.  Can’t people disagree anymore?

2) I wish producers would be more accurate in their assertions.  If they just said, “most scientists believe...” instead of asserting theory as fact.  Because in truth evolution is an incomplete and unproven theory.  Those who study the topic openly admit that there are lots of unanswered questions and problems with our current version of Evolution.  We are and always have been constantly updating evolution, you might say it’s been evolving.

I really think both groups here are picking a fight, though I personally side with the movie producers.  This wouldn’t be the first time “Evolutionists” got into a spat with “Creationists”.  IMHO, I see people who buy into either of them 100% as idiots.

IMHO, the Bible is a book that was put together by Constantine (an emperor of Rome) to try and unite the masses (who at the time were killing eachother over their different faiths in the same basic belief).  It was all about money, control and power.  That said, the Bible does have some good things to say in my opinion.  Like, the idea of loving your neighbor as yourself is cool.  ..But I don’t need the Bible to figure that out.

The same sort of thing goes for Evolution.  Darwin wrote for pages in his theory about major problems with Evolution.  A lot of those problems haven’t been resolved, yet.  So, again it’s stupid to buy into our current theory 100% when we know it’s not perfect.

...Bottom line I wish people would think more for themselves and learn to agree to disgree.  I’m always willing to say that these are JUST my OPINIONS at the moment.  The more I learn the more I realize how little we really know.  This couldn’t be more true about Evolution or the Bible.

But back to this movie...those folks down south need to grow some balls.  The movie doesn’t brainwash you, it just presents another opinion (the most popular one in the world) as fact.  ...How is that a bad thing?

If they just said, “most scientists believe...” instead of asserting theory as fact.  Because in truth evolution is an incomplete and unproven theory.

Brien, you need to check your terminology. In science, the word ‘theory’ has a very specific meaning that has nothing to do with the way you’ve applied it here. You’ll be interested to know that in scientific terms, gravity is also a theory.

Evolution isn’t something we’re guessing at—it isn’t an opinion—for all intents and purposes, it IS proven until it is disproven. Is it complete and perfect? No (and neither is the theory of gravity).

But you’d better to bet your sweet bacterial infection, antibiotic, tuberculosis and virulent plague that it’s real.

Shelley, glad you realize gravity is just a theory also.  ...Do you know WHY it is?  Because we really have no idea what it actually is.  That’s one of the biggest unanswered questions in science today.

Shelley made the point I was going to make: In science there isn’t a single theory that has been proven. Ever.

This doesn’t mean that the phenomena said theories describe (e.g. gravity, evolution) aren’t facts of nature as that’s exactly what they are. There is virtually no debate about the factualness of evolution among scientists in the field, though there is plenty of disagreement over the details. The simple truth is the theory works well and allows for meaningful and testable predictions that have held up well when repeated. There isn’t any other competing theory that can make that claim.

Yeah, but, Rufus-Leroy was intellectually much funnier. 

Shelley, glad you realize gravity is just a theory also.  ...Do you know WHY it is?  Because we really have no idea what it actually is.  That’s one of the biggest unanswered questions in science today.

Gee, Brien, really? Aw shucks.

How about you go back and do as I suggested and look up exactly what a theory is in scientific terms before you try to tell me that a theory is a theory because “we really have no idea what it actually is.”

You c’mon back here when you have that definition from science in hand, and then we’ll talk.

Yeah, but, Rufus-Leroy was intellectually much funnier.  LOL

So true, John, so true . .     

Shelley,

I don’t know why I have to lookup definitions when you’re the one who doesn’t know the term.  But, because I’m not sure you own a dictionary, I looked it up for you…

“In physics, gravitation or gravity is the tendency of objects with mass to accelerate toward each other. Gravitation is one of the four fundamental interactions in nature, the other three being the electromagnetic force, the weak nuclear force, and the strong nuclear force.”

I don’t know if you’re little head will get this, but notice how it’s described as one of the FOUR fundamental interactions or forces in nature. 

These “fundamental forces” are not understood AT ALL.  We observe them, but have no idea how they work or why.

Since you’re obviously NOT a student of history, I think I should remind you that science has always used “forces” to describe the unknown.  For example, wind used to be considered a fundamental force.  Over the years our list of forces has got smaller and smaller as we STUDY things.  I hope and trust that someday we will understand gravity, and the others.

And here’s another reason we should all take science with a grain of salt.  Name ONE TIME in history where science had all the answers.  JUST ONE!  There’s isn’t one!

Throughout history science has been off.  How arrogant are you to believe you live in a time where we know everything.  Get a grip on reality.  You’re an idiot.

-Brien

PS: I respect your opinion and our ability to disagree.  Thanks for letting me wipe the screen with your face.

Shelley,

I just wanted to add that you live in a country full of idiots, and you’re our bitches.

-Brien

Shelley,

I think I’m starting to have feelings for you.  Are you single...or unhappy? 

-Brien

Watch out, Shelley--Prince Charming is right on your trail! 

I see Brien has decided to drop all pretenses of not being an idiot and let his/her true colors show.

As Les said, I’m glad to see you’ve dropped the facade, Brien. (It usually takes a little longer than one or two posts though, doesn’t it Les?   )

As for your comments, Brien, if you really want to play, I’ll just send you back to search out the scientific definition of the term theory first. Then we’ll have something to talk about. It hardly seems reasonable for you to dismiss evolution as a theory when you don’t even know what the term means, does it?

Until then, and until you have some grasp on what science is or what science does, there isn’t much point.

(How many times have we had this discussion and placed the definition of theory on this site? I guess we’ll just have to keep directing people back to look up the answers on their own. Otherwise, they just never seem to learn.)

Sexy Sadie: Watch out, Shelley--Prince Charming is right on your trail!  tongue rolleye

Alas, I am happy and most definitely not single. Otherwise I could be easily swept away by such clever prose and abundant wit.

Les,

I bought you a book on Amazon off your wish list.  It’ll be there in two days.  Enjoy!

-Brien

Just because I can.

Newton’s laws don’t explain quantum mechanics. But aren’t they both physics? Evolution is flawed! And I’m out of toilet paper!

Really though, the fact that we can’t answer all the deep philosophical questions now? That’s as good as saying cars don’t work because I’m not already where I want to be. Science is, though, an effective method of gathering good information and filtering bad. We owe standing bridges, flying planes and my life (not that you care) to the fruits of its conduct.

Shelley,

Thanks for not addressing my comments.

Ad hominem arguments are for the weak minded.  I may have insulted you, but at least I made a point in the process.

You couldn’t point to ANY TIME IN HISTORY when science wasn’t full of flaws because there never was, and probably never will be, such a time.

You’re obviously a sheep for not getting that.

I’m going to resume my regularly scheduled life now.  See you in hell

-Brien

Shelley,

Before I left I noticed your response about not being single.

I’m sorry we didn’t workout, I thought we had something special.

-Brien

Brianne: I’m going to resume my regularly scheduled life now.

Damn - she came, she conquered, she left. 

Brien, you really do have a problem with definitions. I’ve questioned your understanding of a term that is central to your argument—and not argued my point on the basis of your personal characteristics.

So to clarify: I have not said that your argument that “evolution is an incomplete and unproven theory” is wrong on the basis that you’re an idiot. I’ve simply said it is wrong because you do not understand what the word theory means in scientific terms. See the difference?

But thanks for dropping by. It’s been a slice.

Shelley,

I was bored at work again today, and I found myself thinking about you....

With regards to your last post, evolution is an incomplete and unproven theory, just like quantum theory.  People are working on it, and someday we’ll know exactly how they work.  Right now we can’t.

One reason Evolution (at least Macro part of the theory) can’t be called complete is because we haven’t Observed it in the scientific sense.  The scientific method is very clear that it calls for repeatable observations.  I’m not going to waste my time looking up these things for you anymore, but since I’ve been right about everything else you *should* just take my word for it.

I feel like I’m being treated like a dogmatic Christian or something who doesn’t appriciate science, or facts.  I’m not a Christian (I hate organized religion, and yes “hate” is a strong word).  I believe things evolved from something, to the state they’re in now.  I love facts and science, but I’m errogant enough to think we know EVERYTHING about how Evolution works.  So again, I’ll repeat that it’s incomplete.

Shelly,

Since you turned me down so quickly I decided to upload a profile pic in the hopes that it might change your mind.

-Brien