I don’t know Lunar, Hell will probably be 24/7 Chet Is Back! happy hour.

Sheep go to heaven; goats go to hell. ‘Nuff said.

Happy birthday, Sadie!  Maybe you could celebrate by being a guest speaker at a public school ralley and talking about diversity.  (Sound of S. Baptists’ heads exploding)

Megadope said: As of right now you will all be going to hell but hey at least youll know your algebra.

Sure, and you’ll be in Heaven, but you probably still won’t know your contractions.

Seriously, it’s hateful Christians like you that make Hell seem so much more attractive if Heaven’s where you’re going to be.

And the four sisters-in-law story; did they marry your quadruplet brothers or something? Shouldn’t at least one of them be out of college by now?

You don’t realize that all those “facts� that you learb in school arent worth crap if you dont believe in God.

In other words: Who needs facts if you believe in God? Oh the humanity ...of dumbed down followers.

You know, the more I think about it, it’s almost like someone is playing a joke on us with Mega-dodo.

Am I just paranoid?

Webs don’t say such things.  Even in jest.  My Funny Valentine.  Ig Gak.  We have the same problem in the UK: poor (but improving) state schools with a parallel religious sector whose schools achieve consistently higher average standards and grades.  Parents pretent to be Xians to get their kids into church schools.  As with many public sector jobs, teachers are underpaid and appreciated.  My grip is that in non-denominational state schools religion is still taugt but secular philosophy is not.  It should be.  University College London was founded as a place for the non-Anglican intelligent to get a University education.  The religious right are well-organized and it won’t do to let the atheist state sector drift.  We need philosophies to teach, teachers to teach them and leaders and lead the movement.  Right.  I must resume my through and forensic shoeing of the European Union Recreational Craft Directive back home on Lunartalks.  Do pop over in about half an hour to see the full ‘orreur, mes amis sans Dieu.

Happy Birthday Sadie.

Brock: ... did they marry your quadruplet brothers or something?

It was more than likely ‘or something’.

Thanks for the birthday wishes, DOF and John!

I must say, I am shocked at the many instances of intolerance exhibited in these comments. These folks are simply embracing an “alternative lifestyle,” and you are being insensitive and hateful. I thought this was a free country; maybe I was mistaken. I also thought that our founding fathers were activists; I guess I was wrong about that too. So, only CERTAIN people are allowed to unite in purpose and take a stand for something they belive in? Only CERTAIN people are allowed to take action to change circumstances they feel are injust and/or immoral? I’ve been considering the idea that a series of “trade-offs” (so to speak) would not only be amusing, but possibly beneficial to us all in some kind of twisted way. For example, maybe the Christians will give up “In God We Trust” on coinage if atheists will admit that they are, in fact, religious people. (Go ahead, get mad about that statement and then ask yourself if you think that Christians wouldn’t be equally offended.) Or how about if Christians agree to exile Benny Hinn in return for an admission that evolution is no less a fantastic story than the creationist’s version? I would like to personally be in charge of such an arrangement. Go ahead, hate me; I’m the new revolutionary in your secular humanist, dogmatic religious movement. I will use your tactics on the young to convince them to question the authorities, who happen to wear white lab coats and have followers who call their theories “fact.” I will use your rebellious spirit against you to make things right again. And please persecute us; it’s the best evangelism tool a Christian could possess. Semper Fi.

Ed: I must say, I am shocked at the many instances of intolerance exhibited in these comments.

Deal with it.

Ouch Sadie. I feel persecuted and disempowered. My feelings are hurt by your insensitivity. I don’t understand why you are so intolerant of my freedom to choose my own religious beliefs, AND have everyone approve of them, too. You must be a Christophobe. I must go cry now.

Dear Sadie:

Shouldn’t you be pregnant and barefoot somewhere? Who let a WOMAN on here? Blogs are no place for a woman. Better watch out; I’ll start rallying the white, able-bodied heterosexual male ruling class to take away your right to vote again. Our biggest sin is our failure to oppress effectively. I wonder what genius said that before me?

And moist?

If worshipped properly, elwed.
Sadie- Happy Birthday, and Many More- in Hell!

You know, the more I think about it, it’s almost like someone is playing a joke on us with Mega-dodo.

Brock, I wonder too, and also about this ed guy.  Are they just more godless pranksters pulling our collective leg, or has invidious fundamentalism turned them so far around that they are parodies of themselves?  This would merely be an academic question, but I’m afraid they can vote.

Ed, do you know anything about science at all?

I mean, you do know that a theory to scientists is different than a theory to the laity? I would assume you would, as I’m certain you wouldn’t talk about evolution without much in depth research.

Oh, wait…

Ed, mate, I’m not as smart as most others who play here so I’ll just score cheap KISS shots.

Ed: … if atheists will admit that they are, in fact, religious people.

When I hear religion I usually associate it with an Omnimax being.
Seeing as I’m 100% sure that no such being exists I can’t see how the leap is made that I’m religious.

Ed: ... evolution is no less a fantastic story than the creationist’s version?

As just said I don’t believe in any Omnimax so I find any theory other than Godidit much more convincing, on principle.
Actually, I think Raël’s theory is much more credible than the invisible being theory.
Next you’ll be telling us that you believe in virgin births.
It’s much more credible that our ancestors were from another star system than our being the only beings in the universe.
The babble suggests that god made us in his image – I think it’s the other way round and, you made him in your image.

Ed: Go ahead, hate me;

You’re not important enough to hate – I don’t waste emotion on nothing … I’m far too apathetic.

Ed: I will use your rebellious spirit against you to make things right again.

Ha ha. Having a bit of an ego-power trip are you? A typically elitist xian attitude.

Ed: And please persecute us

I don’t do persecution. It’s a xian thing. You are after all the masters of persecution game with 100s of years of practice.
I’m into tolerance for all, no matter how silly, as long as they follow the edict of: Harm none.

Ed: I don’t understand why you are so intolerant of my freedom to choose my own religious beliefs,

As someone much smarter than I once said, and I will paraphrase: I don’t give a fuck that you believe in shit; just don’t throw it at me.

I’m sorry people. I had a few beers and the baby was crying, so I fed it.

poor state schools

Depends on the school.

My grip is that in non-denominational state schools religion is still taugt but secular philosophy is not.

Religeous assembly is a legal requirement in the UK (the whole state religeon thing).  Before lots of yanks get up in arms think- How many Fundies does the state sector produce. 0. In fact its a great recruiting ground for indifference to religeon- bored by it at school, don’t bother with it later.

Sadie: Deal with it.

Sadie, your usually such a sweetie.  It comments like this that breed anti-US feeling.  Obviously SEB is hardly going to cause terrorism (unless Pat Robinson find Les’ home address), but the whole ‘Tough, we’ve done it, get over it.’ seems to pervade US Foriegn Policy.

Before any of you respond in a similar manner to this post just think how you would feel if the other 96% of us said to 9/11 “It’s happened, get over it”.  How about if ID is taught in your kids schools (ok, not you sadie ), the fundies say “Well we’re doing it, deal with it and shut up”?  Bush undermines US democracy- “shut up and deal with it”. 

However, back on thread…

Dear Fundies,
If you don’t like the teaching of facts, this is one situation where (despite what I’ve just said) you will have to accept it.  To misquote Scotty- “I cannae change the laws of science”

PS. I usually hate posts that are just insults to points people make. however

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Sorry about that- I feel better now

zilch: If worshipped properly,

Now there’s a personal deity.

I wonder too, and also about this ed guy.

Possible. The timing of their appearance and L4T’s post on RuptureReady is just a bit too suggestive, though. If anybody really cares, search RR and/or google for the screen names and email addresses and see what pops up. If Les or I really cared, we might be moved to search the sundry server logs for their IPs.

Come to think of it, correlating servers logs between the regulars here might be amusing. I have plently of unused Google Analytics profiles and it might be interesting to set up a composite profile. But whatever.

Unless (T)ed is a regular pulling a prank, I doubt he’s up to anything other than the Megwhatever dude - to irritate liberals. While these smegmatic pollutions aren’t worth getting bothered about, there are a few spots that could use some soap.

(T)ed: I must say, I am shocked at the many instances of intolerance exhibited in these comments. These folks are simply embracing an “alternative lifestyle,�

What an interesting way to put it. Technically, nutjob fundamentalism could be termed a lifestyle choice. Technically, imposing that lifestyle on kids could be termed child abuse. I pity the adults whose belief systems are threatened by even a modicum of rational thought and I pity their children even more. It must suck the beliefs they are to be indoctrinated with are so fragile that they must be contained in a fundamentalist bubble, isolated and never to be exposed to different thought.

So, only CERTAIN people are allowed to unite in purpose and take a stand for something they belive in? Only CERTAIN people are allowed to take action to change circumstances they feel are injust and/or immoral?

Consi, here’s one for you. Let’s pretend that current administration isn’t comprised of people whose judgement is clouded by greed and an overdose of religion, a government that pulls a goatse to the Religious Right and tries hard to broaden the conflict between the secular and the religion into a free-for-all theocratic shoot-out. It’s easy enough to forget that the wall between Church and State isn’t designed to protect the secular from the religious, but the religious from themselves.

Okay, so let’s assume that there’d be a government in power that is actually interested in upholding the letter and spirit of the Constitution. Can you conceive of scenarios under which a movement to homeschool might be deemed as a threat to the Constitution, enough to warrant observation by domestic intelligence?

maybe the Christians will give up “In God We Trust� on coinage

What a telling admission. Apparently the U.S. Mint ran out of space to stamp the currency with “In the Christian God We Trust"…

Now that we know the slogan favors one religion over all the others, it’s just a formality to get it removed.

zilch wrote:

(when Islam was still supportive of science)

You mean unlike in the 20th century when the Egyptian Arab Muslim Geologist, Dr. Farouk el-Baz was instrumental in turning the NASA moon missions into real scientific endovors instead of a bunch of cowboys riding giant fireworks hell bent on beating the commies and nothing more!? To name just one example of modern science carried out by believing Muslims!? Islam still supports science way more than than America’s Protestants but, since it fits with the Islam is the (only) enemy of ‘freedom’ and ‘civilisation’ we just have to keep up with the stereotypes, don’t we?

You mean unlike in the 20th century when the Egyptian Arab Muslim Geologist

One Muslim scientist does not modern-day Islam a science-friendly religion make.

since it fits with the Islam is the (only) enemy of ‘freedom’ and ‘civilisation’ we just have to keep up with the stereotypes, don’t we?

Oh, stuff it. Islam is what Islam does and if you want to make a case that the pursuit of science in Islamic nations is free from religious interference, go right ahead.

I don’t doubt that both Christianity and Islam can be interpreted in a way that views the gathering of scientific knowledge as an illumination of their respective deity’s glorious designs and something to be encouraged instead of stifled. In either religion, such an attitude is incompatible with a literalist interpretation of scripture. There’s also no doubt that during what we call the Dark Middle Ages, science in Islamic nations was head and shoulders above what Christian nations were reduced to by Christianity.

It’s too bad that fundamentalists on either side want to reestablish the gaps for their deities to hide in.

Ed/Ted writes…

Go ahead, hate me;

Hate you? I love you! You’re hilarious! I haven’t laughed so hard at a comment in a long time. Keep up the good work!

Incidentally, Ed/Ted is one and the same. It appears he just typoed once as he used the same email address on both comments. I don’t think it was an intentional bit of puppet commenting. If it was, it was pretty sad.

Megadoodoo is a different IP address altogether. He’s not as funny as Ted/Ed is either.

LH: It comments like this that breed anti-US feeling.  Obviously SEB is hardly going to cause terrorism (unless Pat Robinson find Les’ home address), but the whole ‘Tough, we’ve done it, get over it.’ seems to pervade US Foriegn Policy.

True, and I’m no fan whatsoever of current U.S. foreign policy. It’s just that, with recent experience with trolls such as Megadope, I’ve developed the suspicion that logic and diplomacy have little or no positive effect on these people.

Ed/Ted: I wonder what genius said that before me?

Pat Robertson? Phyllis Schlafy? “Reverend” Moon?

For adherents of religions that purportedly are religions of love, Islamists and Christianists alike seem to thrive on provoking hate - instead of gaining ground on merit.

What does it tell you that (T)ed is so eager to martyr himself?

I popped over to AiG to browse and found this
Arguements Creationists should not use
It appears to be a major retraction of most of the arguements the Trolls here use. Shall we not bother arguing, not even tell them to link to TalkOrigins- just to THEIR AIG site (oh the sweet sweet irony)

Best of all the page links to thisHow Can we see distant stars in a young universe? The closest to a Creationist ‘We’ve fucked up’ you will ever see.  It says that Light wasn’t faster back then, as many creatists claim. It argues that as Einstein showed Time/Gravity/Light are related, then the ‘Six Days’ were longer, Not because the six days were longer, but that time moved slower because of Gravity.  At first I though- Hmm don’t know enough to refute, but its has just struck me given they quote

Time = Distance / Speed

and if D and S havent changed T must have doesnt that mean S HAS decayed- the light moves father because T is longer.  If T=1/2, then C=600,000 kps.  It is because it is (ahem) relative....