It’s always sad to see a once reasonable politician sell out so completely.

As far as I’m concerned, only three politicians in all of Congress are not bought out, one is a Republican, two are Democrats.  Les, tell me, if our Democratic Congress doesn’t impeach Bush, doesn’t demand a withdrawl from Iraq, how are they any better than the Republicans?  Almost all politicians are liars!  Regardless of party (although Republicans lie more than Democrats, and destroy the country faster; but really, why vote for the lesser of two evils?) Politics = many tics!

And notice how Bush (a puppet; in all reality, his father has been president of the U.S. for at least five terms, with Dick Cheney second in command currently) wants to bring 20,000 to 30,000 more troops into Iraq?!(and this is also funny; you get pissed off at the thought of 20,000 more troops going into Iraq, when in reality this is simply distracting you from being mad at being in Iraq period.) Another thing, correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t both Democrats and Republicans support a draft?  Why would we vote for either party if they support such bull?

Mr. Wordsworth wants to know:

Why would we vote for either party if they support such bull?

Are you familiar with the concept of “lesser of the two evils?”

What annoys me more than the prospect of a draft is that we couldn’t even stomach taxes to support the war.  No polititian could get anywhere unless he/she vowed to support “making Bush’s tax cuts permanent”.  During wartime?  What happened to “no sacrifice is too great”?

How can we send our children to die in a vague cause and then foist the payments on the borrowed money on the survivors and their children?  This is a war against our children as much as it is against the Iraqi people.

When they say they are going to do something, they are not going to do it.  When they say they are not going to do something, they are going to do it.

For example:

I could have sworn Bush said he was not going to invade Iraq at one time.

Now he says we are not going to invade Iran (translation: we are going to invade Iran).

He says we are not going to have a draft (we are going to have a draft).

Bush and the Democrats say they are going to withdraw from Iraq and train Iraqis to defend themselves while in reality we haven’t withdrawn and there is no training for Iraqies to defend themselves.

Democrats say before election they will impeach Bush if they are elected.  Nothing happens.

Bush says Iraq has WMDs.  No WMDs.

Bush vomits about us bringing freedom and democracy to the middle east.  We have destabalized the middle east and have created more terrorists.  Iraqis would rather have Saddam back.

Israel threatens Iran, saying ‘we’re going to nuke Iran!’.  Iran says ‘well, if Israel is going to attack us, we’re going to defend ourselves!’ We freak out, IRAN IS DEVELOPING NUCLEAR WEAPONS!  IRAN IS DEVELOPING NUCLEAR WEAPONS! Like a mantra, while over in a corner in Asia, North Korea conducts nuclear tests, threatening the United States with a nuclear attack.  The United States says, ‘ok, ok, North Korea, we’ll do whatever you want!’

Bush says we are not going into a ‘North American Union’ with a new currency called the ‘Amero’ to replace the dollar; he signed us into the North American Union with the Vincent Fox and the prime minister of Canada a few years ago.

He says the economy has never been better, while he prepares to create the largest depression ever, which will make the great depression look like an era of prosperity.

LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES....

He doesn’t lie and then tell the truth every so often, he ONLY lies!  Bush NEVER TELLS THE TRUTH!  He can only lie!

Bush says hes a Christian (even though he masturbated in a coffin at Yale while divulging his sexual desires...), he calls alternative 911 stories ‘ridiculous conspiracy theories’ (getting to close to the truth?) and he says the STUPIDEST things.  Of course, what can you expect from a man who was a drunk all of his life and is burnt out from cocaine?

And people buy this crap!

Why vote for either party?  There are third parties.  You got the Libertarian party, the Constitution party…
Better to not waste time voting at all than to vote for a Republocrat.

George W. Bush and John Kerry are both members of the secret society Skull and Bones (where Bush masterbated in a coffin).  And they are cousins with Hugh Heffner.  You can’t make this stuff up.

Are you familiar with the concept of “lesser of the two evils?”

That is like saying “well, there is an election between Hitler and Stalin, and since Hitler killed 60 million people while Stalin killed 59 million people, I’ll vote for Stalin”.

Sorry for double post.

Mr. Wordsworth opines:

That is like saying “well, there is an election between Hitler and Stalin, and since Hitler killed 60 million people while Stalin killed 59 million people, I’ll vote for Stalin”.

This comparison strikes me as a tad hyperbolic, though your sentiments regarding the undesirability of what is essentially a two-party system do not fall on entirely deaf ears where I am concerned. But since third parties are pretty much doomed to failure here, I almost always vote Democratic.

Mr. Wordsworth:

Another thing, correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t both Democrats and Republicans support a draft?

Okay, you are corrected, because the answer is no. 

You can’t make this stuff up.

I believe you can.  I know I could.  And obviously whoever you are relying on for half the drivel you are spouting already did.

Mr. Wordsworth: There are third parties.  You got the Libertarian party, the Constitution party…
Better to not waste time voting at all than to vote for a Republocrat.

Like I stated previously, third parties in this country never had a snowball’s chance in the past, so why should this change now?

I’m curious about your mention of the Constitutionalists. Are you suggesting that this party (which has been affiliated with people such as Pat Buchanan, Alan Keyes, Jim Gilchrist, or the genuine theocrat Roy Moore) is somehow more desirable than either the Republican or Democratic parties?

Unfortunately, I didn’t make this up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXqJ4sC6EGs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPDYnX1VFZ8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlQsHC9WzO8

“It’s so secret we can’t talk about it.”

Here is our wonderful president drunk:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au1ZOA9iH3I

I could care less about the ooooh Skull and Crossbones babble you go on with.  It was not what I was referring to.  To get specific, you or some nut job that you read someplace did make this up:

we are going to have a draft

in reality...here is no training for Iraqies to defend themselves.

Israel...‘we’re going to nuke Iran!

...he prepares to create the largest depression ever, which will make the great depression look like an era of prosperity.

By innuendo you suggest that the 911 conspiracy are more than a line of bullshit, something that others have hashed through here before:

he calls alternative 911 stories ‘ridiculous conspiracy theories’ (getting to close to the truth?)

Oh, for the record, I’m a member of a secret society.  It’s going public for this thread only.  It’s motto is Scarlett and Cream; colors being Scarlet and Creme.  The Society is called:  Mr. Wordsmith is a Twit.

I am not going to waste time arguing with someone who brands me as a ‘conspiracy theorist’.

By the way, who is Mr. Wordsmith, anyway?

MWW: “I am not going to waste time arguing with someone who brands me as a ‘conspiracy theorist’. ”

Well in all seriousness, you kinda are.  You certainly said a number of things that are true, but with a rather poor signal-to-noise ratio.  I think you hit most of the common conspiracy theories.

It’s disheartening because he was one of the few Republicans I actually felt good about and could support. I didn’t agree with everything he stood for, but I agreed with enough that I wasn’t upset he was in power and I admired the fact that he wasn’t willing to compromise his principles just to win an election.

Agreed…

At one time I too would have voted for McCain.  In fact he seemed to be one of the only Repub politicians that would speek out against Bush and some of his policies. 

Then I am sure he got a call from Rove and decided to step in line for a chance to run in 08.  Whatever McCain’s reason for being a pussy, he most certainly is one.  My vote goes to someone who can stand up for what they believe in and have policies that fall in line with what I feel is important for our country.

Party affiliation is of little importance.

Webs: “My vote goes to someone who can stand up for what they believe in and have policies that fall in line with what I feel is important for our country.”

As it should.  I modify that slightly as; “My vote goes to someone who can stand up for what I believe in and has a chance in hell of winning, with some differential weighting of one or the other depending how I feel that day.”

with some differential weighting of one or the other depending how I feel that day.

I will always seek someone who shares my sympathies. What I’m afraid of is that the people will cater to the politics and not the other way around, as McCain is showing. It’s a natural thing, though, so I worry more about changing politics than politicians.

You know what, screw McCain, screw politics:

http://infowars.net/articles/january2007/080107Union.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdxI0zClV_Y&eurl=

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=786048453686176230&q=

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2007/080107americangulag.htm

You know what, screw McCain, screw politics:

WTF!!!  Last time I checked the title of this post was:

Sen. John McCain the great American Flip-Flopper.

Not only are we supposed to be discussing our thought and opinions on McCain, but politics as well since McCain is a P.O.L.I.T.I.C.I.A.N.

Oh and about the links.  One word will do BULLSHIT!

Not only are we supposed to be discussing our thought and opinions on McCain, but politics as well since McCain is a P.O.L.I.T.I.C.I.A.N.

Well, I did discuss my views on McCain and politics e.g. it is a waste of time and a controlled debate.

Oh and about the links.  One word will do BULLSHIT!

You just keep telling yourself that it isn’t true, and that your precious Demopublican party is going to pull the troops out of Iraq and won’t invade Iran (laughs)…

I first heard of McCain when he was a Commie. I think he’s done a remarkable morph into a true Reptilian. I wonder if he realised some people might notice the changed man.
Mum always said: Politics is not a profession for an honourable man. 

I thought McCain was okay (as in, if it had to be a republican, then he would have been the best of a bad situation and I at least respected him) for a very brief period of time in 2000.  Then I read an interview he did (I don’t remember where) where he was asked about abortion rights.  He stated that he was very strongly pro-life and supported limiting as much as possible access to abortion.  He was then asked if he would feel the same way if it were his daughter who needed an abortion for some reason.  He replied that it would be her business and her choice. 

So basically, he outright stated that his daughter was deserving of the basic respect for privacy and autonomy that he would deny to the rest of us.  That’s when I lost all respect for the man and I would work actively against his election for dogcatcher, much less president.