Henry: The truth is science proves evolution is a joke!!! - Henry

Knock knock.
Who’s there?
Evolution.
Evolution who?
BURN IN HELL SINNER!!!

Thanks Henry, I needed a good laugh today.

Henry, you are a blind fucking moron. Evolution has explained so many things: how the dinosaurs came, how birds came about, how mamals came about, the genetic closeness of humans and monkeys and much more. I will admit that evolution is not a complete theory but that is because we do not yet know enough to explain every thing yet, not because it is wrong.  Not to mention the theory of evolution came about and was then more fully fleshed out from careful observations from the last hundred or so years. Where as your bible theory came about by a few ignorant men 1700 years ago who thought that some invisible being just spoke a few words and then the world burst into existance. YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE FOR YOUR BELIEFS. I do not think evolution is perfectly right, as I say again, we simply do not know everything and we do not have enough observations to fully describe our enviroment. But we do have TONS of evidence from observing our world and exploring DNA structures and gene replication and etc that suggests that evolution is close to the truth. Evolution is more apt to be close to the truth than some stupid fucking book. And DONT EVEN THINK OF SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT SATAN PUTTING THAT EVIDENCE IN PLACE. Dont say that because, assuming that satan is smart enough to fake that type of evidence, he would have DEFINITELY been smart enough not to piss of your omnipotent friend. And because he pissed of god we can say that he is not smart enough to forge the evidence required to trick years of research into a wrong theory. Thus we can only assume that the evidence got there some other way(maybe the way evolution predicts it). And just let me say this again for added streess: YOU ARE A BLIND AS A PEICE OF SHIT!

Cheers BunBun

Eric Paulsen quips:
Knock knock.
Who’s there?
Evolution.
Evolution who?
BURN IN HELL SINNER!!!

I like that evolution joke - I give it two opposable thumbs up!

Henry: I live in a part of the world the has rejected the Bible and the Truth.  And I wish you could see what happends to people.

They get screamed at by Fundies?  Bibles thrown through the window? 

Drive-by witnessing?  I can just see somebody hanging halfway out the car window shaking and twitching ‘cause they got the holy ghost while cruising slowly down the street.

ha ha ha! you guys are amazing!  I did really say anything and you all went crazy!  I am only 21 yr. old and I have a lot to learn.  But there are a few things that I know a lot about. I have travelled to 12 countries studying the effects of different beliefs.  I live in Thailand.  Evolution teaches the strong shall live and have every right to cut off the weak.  I see people that believe this acting it out on a regular basis.  All beliefs have a result.  A young girl just got her head cut off because she didn’t serve obey her master.  Everyday men go in trucks gathering up helpless woman to forse them into sex slavery.  They also take the little children, cut of there arms and legs and forse them to beg on the streets.  If you think this is all just funny you should wake up and look at the real world.  Hitler believed in evolution and that is how he justified his actions.  He thought he was cleaning up the worlds trash.  Maybe you agree with him, I don’t know.  One of my close friends was sold to a gang about a year ago and I have not heard from her since.  I only teach about that which I know to be true.  My own thoughts I keep to myself.  It is just the simple truth that every country the regects the Bible has horible results.  Now I didn’t say that somehow makes the Bible true, but it does give us a reason to at least check it out.  Evolution is proven false in so many areas that it is funny to even discuss.  Here is one area: Thermodynaics.  Study the first two laws on you own and you’ll see.  Another area: Time.  But if you really want to see proof that evolution is false I’d have to get your personal email add. so I could send some solid scientific evidence.

No need to make fun of my spelling I already know. But feel free if it makes you feel better.

Henry. My email is

Im not joking my email really is what i said above. Send me this evidence of yours. Not to mention evolution does not say that the stronger part of a species should kill the weaker. It sais that through natural selection(the process of nature killing of the weak) do the stronger continue. And I REALLY want to see how time proves evolution wrong. And the crazy shit that happens in the places that do not believe in the bible is not because they dont believe in the bible but rather because they have shitty morals. And dont say that the bible has morals because morals can be obtained from other places than the bible. Basically just doing a little thinking can get you a set of pretty good morals. And a country that is not a christian fundy nations that are perfectly acceptable places to live: england, france, germany, japan, and australia. They have soe christianity but they also have other religions and are getting more and more away from religion. Not to mention how about a bible believing nation thats fucked up: america.

And I say this again: show me your “scientific” evidence.

Cheers BunBun

Ok…

Fisrt law of thermodynamics basically sais heat(energy) input = work output. And then the second sais basically that some of the heat(energy) put in is going to be lost to the surrounding enviroment and as energy is put into the system then entropy goes up. That does not disprove evolution. If you are thinking along the lines that as we evolve we move to state of lower entropy then you are wrong. As we expend enery in reproducing and evolving we order our selves more, however we end up raising the overall entropy of the surroundings. Such as when we fart: the highly ordered food material coming into out digestive system is converted to gases with a very high entropy. When we die we decompose and a good deal of us ends up again as gases passed out other animals further increasing the entropy of the system we live in. The thing that really matters in our universe is averages. As a side to show this: at a scale more than a few hundred micrometers the universe is easily predictable with einstienian physics. However as you get to smaller and smaller regions of space weird shit starts happening. Basically the univers on the quantam level exists in a state of probabalist haze. We cannot know where a proton is and how fast it is moving at the same time. We cannot know exactly where an electon is orbiting an atom, we can only guess at where it might be. And as we get even smaller, approaching the plank length, something like 10^-30 of a meter even wierder shit happens. Stuff like a positron and electron will burst into existance and then usually promply anniliate each other right after. The important thing is the average again. conservation of energy is held--for every electron an opposite also comes into existance and they on average annililate each other. So when you add their energy nothing ends up changing because they end up adding to zero. So energy is conserved. And as you get even smaller these effects become more and more pronounced. So you might ask the question: why are we not ripped apart by the fluctuations of quantom quantom space? Well that is because every thing averages out to zero in the end. All posative energy comes into existance with negative energy. And as we get larger the energy is more apt to get anniliated evenly(posative and negative, that is). This is due to the law of averages; something like flipping a coin: if you flip a coin twice your experamental probability of flipping a heads may be 1 however as flip more and more times you end up getting close to the theoretical probabilty: .5 to heads and .5 to tails. Whew, its too late at night for this.

Back to the topic…

If you are trying to suggest that because using entropy to measure time and that the average entropy of our universe is slowly going up(time going forward) we can never evolve into a more ordered being you are wrong. The key thing about entropy as a measurement for time is the word average. The average entropy of the universe is going up. And the universe is one FUCKING big place. So if our little earth is highly ordered it makes no difference when looked at on a galactic/universe scale. Not to mention when our sun dies the entropy of our planetary system will become very rapidly high. The disorder will become huge when that happens.

Cheers BunBun

As a clarification for the first law:

It sais energy can only be converted to other forms rathe rthan destroyed. Which is saying something like potention energy(the heat input) = kinetic energy(work output). For the second law: that is assuming that the system is closed.

Cheers BunBun

Henry, just shut up. You’re just making a fool of yourself.

You are all making it too complicated. Everyone starts out with a certain set of beliefs that they accept ONLY on the basis of blind faith. Whether that belief is “only what I can see is true” or “only the Bible is true” or “whatever feels good is true” or “nothing is true�?.

However all belief systems have consequences. Like it or not, if the Creator Triune God of the Bible exists, He exists regardless of your belief or unbelief. So why not test it out? The Bible says that although God hides Himself He is not far away from any one of us. It also says that the person who calls on the Lord Jesus will be born again. What does “born again�? mean? It means that you will receive an inner witness that is beyond the truth and reality of your mind. It is a truth that resides in your spirit. It is a blind faith that you can know.

So I dare you. Drop your tough guy shell and realize that as a human you don’t and will never have all the answers. Call out loud for help from your creator, Jesus. Ask Him to give you truth. Take one simple minute to truly open up your heart and call to Jesus out loud. Give it a chance. What do you fear finding out?

So I dare you. Drop your tough guy shell and realize that as a human you don’t and will never have all the answers. Call out loud for help from your creator, Jesus. Ask Him to give you truth. Take one simple minute to truly open up your heart and call to Jesus out loud. Give it a chance. What do you fear finding out?

Your assumption is fallacious.  Some (if not all) of us have tried that, I know I have.  Many of us were raised in Christian households.  I believe that one of the regulars on here was an ordained minister before becoming an atheist.

Warbi beat me to it. I was once devout Baptist who believed he had experienced Jesus in his life, but it turns out I was just fooling myself. Much like you it would seem.

Kurt challenged: So I dare you. Drop your tough guy shell and realize that as a human you don’t and will never have all the answers. Call out loud for help from your creator, Jesus. Ask Him to give you truth. Take one simple minute to truly open up your heart and call to Jesus out loud. Give it a chance. What do you fear finding out?

Wow, kurt - I’m sold!  In fact, I was just checking out (KJV) John 14:13-14, where it states “And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.”

Here goes, kurt - tough guy facade is now dropped:

Dear God . . . could you please - in Jesus’ name - bring about world peace - *tonight*?  Could you please - in Jesus’ name - end suffering and hunger and disease and all human misery *tonight*? Show me, oh great and omnipotent creator of the heavens, that when I ask these things in Jesus’ name, you will do it - cuz kurt said so and stuff. Thanks awfully - your humble servant, Beau.

Lemme know how it goes, bub. [munches popcorn]

You smell like hot dog water.

I’ve edited this comment because it’s a forgery. It’s from the same idiot who posts the reply following this one.

Les, I met you before right?  Don’t you work at the local Toyota as a parts manager.

Is there some reason you’re posting under two different names and making no sense at all?

ok, so the evoltionist states that all the dirt before the big bang was colected and compressed into a small tiny little dot probobly just as small, or smaller as this one “.” right? right! ok, i have a question....where did all that dust come from? who made it? how did it get into that dot and blow up, creating the big bang? lemme guess........YOU DONT KNOW!!! well, the creationist will say that God created everything! and the evolutionist will ask, well ypu dumb creationist! where did God come from?? WELL WE DONT KNOW!!! so you say that you are starting your belief in dirt, dirt that you dont know how it got there…
and im saying i start mine in God, God in which i dont know how it got there....
wierd eh…

Wow, this is a first- a jesusfreak admits the Beginning is “wierd”, whether it involves God or not.  Hallelujah!  Baby steps…

*Sigh* Here we go again…

ok, so the evoltionist states that all the dirt before the big bang was colected and compressed into a small tiny little dot probobly just as small, or smaller as this one “.�? right? right!

First off, the Theory of Evolution has nothing to do with the Big Bang Theory and there’s nothing that says if you accept one you have to accept the other. In other words, just because someone accepts the Theory of Evolution as true that doesn’t mean that they accept the Big Bang Theory as being true. More often than not they may accept both theories, but they don’t have to.

ok, i have a question....

I’d imagine you probably have a lot of question…

where did all that dust come from? who made it? how did it get into that dot and blow up, creating the big bang? lemme guess........YOU DONT KNOW!!!

First, it wasn’t “dust” it was energy. Second, according to Einstein, energy cannot be destroyed it can only change form. If it cannot be destroyed then it has always been there in one form or another. Thus there is no need for something to “create” the energy because it has always existed, just not always in the present form. What caused it to explode? That part is a bit fuzzy, but we’re working on it. There’s a number of competing theories about it, but it’s tricky because normal math breaks down when you start dealing with singularities.

well, the creationist will say that God created everything! and the evolutionist will ask, well ypu dumb creationist! where did God come from?? WELL WE DONT KNOW!!! so you say that you are starting your belief in dirt, dirt that you dont know how it got there…
and im saying i start mine in God, God in which i dont know how it got there....

I don’t believe it started with dirt. Dirt didn’t exist at the time of the Big Bang. Again another believer attempts to put words in my mouth. I really wish you folks would stop doing that.

hey now, im not putting words in your mouth dude.
i am quoting everything i have heard from alot of different evolutionists i have talked to and debated with....so dont say im trying to put words in your mouth, i am using the information on what has been told to me from another believer in the religion of evolution. yet another evolutionist who says i am doing one thing when i am doin another…

so thats where this dust and this big bang comes from, EVERY evolutionist(besides you) that i have talked to, starts thier story with dust and a big bang.

oh and by the way, baby steps dont make sense bud… there is a wood pecker in australia, im pretty sure its in aussie land anyways. but anwyays, it has a toungue that goes from the back of its throat up the back of its head, between the brain, through the beak, and into its mouth AND THEN, sticks out 10 whole inches. now thi is for food. they use it to stick down into the wholes in the trees to get insects.

now how it gets insects, is this very VERY sticky glue is shot onto its toungue and all the bugs that come into contact with it are stuck on there for good, never to come off. so, the woodpecker cant eat if all of it is stuck on its toungue the whole time....right? right? so when it brings its toungue back into its mouth there is a special “anti-glue” solution that shoots onto the toungue and dissolves it, so that the bird can have some breaky.

now, you say baby steps? ok, well the bird evolved into the bird right? right! it needs to eat, a billion years later(baby step), it needs a toungue to help it eat. a billion years(baby step), later it cant hold insects so it developes glue. a billion years later(baby step), it is still hungry, it evolves the “anti-glueing solution” and then yay! it can finally eat!! wahooo!...... so tell me, if it went in baby steps, how did it survive, in those years where it relized it need to evolve all those important aspects of life?

Well, jesusfreak, I don’t know where to start.  So how about here: there are no woodpeckers in Australia.  You might say, that’s immaterial to your argument; but for me, it’s typical of the lazy thinking of many believers.  I googled this information in about five seconds, because I wanted to seriously engage you, and I don’t know much about woodpecker evolution.

But I’m afraid there’s no point, until you get off your duff and do an absolute minimum of research.  For instance: where did you get your figure of “a billion years” for your posited “baby steps”?  I don’t remember that from the Bible, and it sure doesn’t jibe with the fossil record.  I almost suspect you are just making stuff up, and there’s no way to debate that.

First, it wasn’t “dust�? it was energy. Second, according to Einstein, energy cannot be destroyed it can only change form. If it cannot be destroyed then it has always been there in one form or another. Thus there is no need for something to “create�? the energy because it has always existed…

In the same way that you believe that energy has always existed in some form or another, God has also always existed.

In the same way that you believe that energy has always existed in some form or another, God has also always existed.

Yes; and the Invisible Pink Unicorn has always existed, and the Diminutive Underwear Trolls, and the Teletubbies…

There are any number of imaginable entities that cannot be disproven to have existed forever.  Personally, I wants me some evidence before I I start in conjuring up unmotivated complications in the story.