SEB Mailbag: Creation in the 21st century?

Posted by Les on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 at 07:50 PM. Read 1917 times. Tags: , ,
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I received the following terse email just mere moments ago:

From: Don McClure <don.mcclure@insightbb.com>
To: Les Jenkins
Subject: Creation in the 21st century?

It’s proven that carbon 14 dating is a farse and if you want to believe you came from primates, be my guest. but i on the other hand believe that I was created by a HIGHER BEING or INTITY.( GOD ) THEY SHALL KNOW THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET THEM FREE! IF YOU KEEP READING AND STUDYING YOU WILL EVENTUALLY COME TO THE TRUTH.

Well that certainly wasn’t very convincing, but at least it wasn’t very time consuming either. Just enough to give me a quick chuckle as I dashed off a reply that asked for the proof of his claims.

Update: Don actually replied:

THAT’S WHAT THOMAS SAID TO MARY “SHOW ME THE PROOF”. THEN WHEN JESUS WAS THERE BEFORE HIM (THOMAS) & HIS EYES BEHELD THE SAVIOUR AND THOMAS PUT HIS HAND IN THE SPEAR WOUND ON JESUS’S SIDE, THEN “DOUBTING THOMAS” TOO BELIEVED. JESUS TOLD THE DESCIPLES “Y’ALL ARE BLESSED ‘CAUSE YOU BELIEVED BY “FAITH” BUT GOOD OLE THOMAS HERE HAD TO SEE ME FIRST WITH HIS OWN EYES!(paraphrased into Kentuckian lingo) Either your eyes will be opened to the fact that there is a God or maybe you are one of them the Bible refers to as the group of people that are predestined to be “blinded”. I pray you are not. Can you honestly SPIRITUALLY afford to NOT believe that there is a GOD? What exactly DO you believe?

When I asked for proof I was actually referring to his claim that carbon 14 dating had been proven, as he put it, to be a “farse.” I replied back explaining this, but told him that it would be pretty cool if he could arrange to have Jesus show up and let me put my hand in his spear wound.

Update 2: He’s back for more....

I personally cannot arrange for JESUS to drop in on you. Only YOU can arrange that, if you really want HIM. YOU CAN “CHAT” WITH HIM ANY TIME YOU WANT TO. YES GOD IS SMART ENOUGH TO TELL THE DIFFERENCES IN FAITH. FAITH COMES FROM THE HEART & GOD KNOWS OUR HEARTS. I NOTICED EVERYTIME YOU REFERRED TO GOD YOU TYPED A CAPITAL “G” WHICH MEANS “REVERENCE”. OR ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT YOU ARE AN ATHIEST. IF YOU CLAIM TO BE AN ATHIEST, LET ME TELL YOU THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN ATHIEST BECAUSE TO STATE THAT ONE DOES NOT BELIEVE IN “GOD” IN ITSELF ADMITS THERE IS A “GOD “ NOT TO BELIEVE IN.

It’s getting a bit pathetic now. Too much like shooting fish in a barrel. He’s reciting from the kid’s edition of the Big Book of Converting the Heathens at this point.

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Sadie Jane United States Posted on 03/21/2007 at 08:06 PM

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...if you want to believe you came from primates, be my guest.

Don, they say you learn something new every day, and so here’s your tidbit for 3/21/07: humans are primates.

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Patness Canada Posted on 03/21/2007 at 08:19 PM

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For that matter, carbon dating is only useful in a specific sample range. There are several types of radio(isometric) dating, each with a different age specialty - C14 is only one of them.

Sorry, you can’t just wish away half-life.

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Les United States Posted on 03/21/2007 at 08:29 PM

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Had to put in an update, he actually replied.

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Sadie Jane United States Posted on 03/21/2007 at 08:32 PM

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Patness: There are several types of radio(isometric) dating, each with a different age specialty - C14 is only one of them.

And what’s more, Carbon-14 has a fairly short half-life (a little under 6000 years). There are many other isotopes with much, much longer half-lives (i.e. Rubidium-87).

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Psychromorbidus Canada Posted on 03/21/2007 at 08:43 PM

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I wonder if stupidity has a half-life?

Maybe that is wishful thinking.

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Patness Canada Posted on 03/21/2007 at 08:45 PM

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Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe.

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One sure and primary and fundamental fact is the joint existence of a subject and of its world. The one does not exist without the other. I acquire no understanding of myself except as I take account of objects, of the surroundings. I do not think unless I think of things — and there I find myself. - Bruce Lee

Last_Hussar Great Britain (UK) Posted on 03/21/2007 at 09:16 PM

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Stupidity is a half life.

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Sadie Jane United States Posted on 03/21/2007 at 10:08 PM

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IF YOU CLAIM TO BE AN ATHIEST, LET ME TELL YOU THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN ATHIEST BECAUSE TO STATE THAT ONE DOES NOT BELIEVE IN “GOD” IN ITSELF ADMITS THERE IS A “GOD “ NOT TO BELIEVE IN.

I seem to recall from a while back an old SEB regular (don’t ask me who it was) lamenting the fact that American public schools no longer require classes in basic logic. I’d like to second that notion.

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Webs United States Posted on 03/21/2007 at 10:14 PM

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His logic at the end there made me do a whaaaaaaa.

It’s like they don’t even try anymore…

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Les United States Posted on 03/21/2007 at 10:21 PM

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I’m up to five replies from the guy now. He just did the “I’m praying for you so it’s only a matter of time” power of prayer bit in the last one.

What’s particularly amusing is that his PC’s clock is off by a day so everything is showing up with yesterday’s date on it.

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***Dave United States Posted on 03/21/2007 at 10:47 PM

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Alas, being a Believer doesn’t seem to help with spelling ...

And, for the record (directed at the writer, not to you, Les), there are plenty of us who don’t have any problem with believing we’re descended from primates *and* by a Higher Intity ... er, Entity.

Bastich United States Posted on 03/22/2007 at 01:07 AM

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As a Kentuckian I *would* ask that you (Les) refrain from baiting the fundies. I *would*, but it’s just too much fun watching the veins pop out on their necks!  LOL  At least he hasn’t offered to burn you at the stake.

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K. Engels United States Posted on 03/22/2007 at 01:11 AM

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Intity, eh? Is that anything like a floatity or a longity?

LuckyJohn19 Australia Posted on 03/22/2007 at 01:58 AM

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I doubt this funny little intity is going to perform many more tricks but, just in case it does, I’m subscribing.  wink

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I’ve discovered that it all boils down to brain wiring: your brain is wired to worship magic or it isn’t, either it’s wired to utilize logic or it isn’t, either it’s analytical of myths or it isn’t.

Mick Australia Posted on 03/22/2007 at 05:25 AM

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And of course he can’t even spell atheist.

Bahamat Great Britain (UK) Posted on 03/22/2007 at 09:08 AM

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Same Don as in legal Don?
The name is gaining an association for me

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Fall Downed United States Posted on 03/22/2007 at 11:10 AM

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Wow, the more I read the “fundies” here the more embarrassed I am to admit being a believer (small ‘b’ with no trademark).

If something like “Carbon 14 dating” puts a wrinkle in your theology you might want to seriously rethink it.

Les United States Posted on 03/22/2007 at 03:55 PM

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Mick, I’m willing to overlook misspelling the word atheist if only because I screw it up all the time myself, but “INTITY” and “DESCIPLES” should be embarrassing for someone who supposedly knows his Bible.

FD, the fact that you disassociate yourself from the True Believers™ puts you in a good light with me.

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Fanu United States Posted on 03/22/2007 at 04:13 PM

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Religion and Science can peacefully exist

and from a Christian perspective if you judge someone for there beliefs thats just as bad as committing the act yourself

Matthew 7
1"Do not judge, or you too will be judged.

i dont understand why “Christians” send out harrassive emails and/or bomb clinics and/or hold up God hates Fags signs
yeah im damn sure Jesus would have held up a God hates ***** sign of any sort

LuckyJohn19 Australia Posted on 03/22/2007 at 08:56 PM

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Fanu, you sound like a xian I could like.
Those other xians to whom you refer are the type of xian who condemns atheists to rot in hell for eternity if they fail to convert immediately.
Yes, I know it sounds silly but, as they say in the classics: “that’s motor racing” or in this case, “that’s xianity”.

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scenter United States Posted on 03/23/2007 at 11:52 AM

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THEY SHALL KNOW THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET THEM FREE!

‘Tis true - I discovered the truth and the truth was that there is no god, and it set me free from tithes, guilt, and other xtian control issues.

IF YOU CLAIM TO BE AN ATHIEST, LET ME TELL YOU THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN ATHIEST BECAUSE TO STATE THAT ONE DOES NOT BELIEVE IN “GOD” IN ITSELF ADMITS THERE IS A “GOD “ NOT TO BELIEVE IN.

No, just because I can propose an idea that I can conceptualize, doesn’t mean that it in fact exists. Borrowing from mathematics, I can conceptualize that the square root of 2 is a rational number (it seems reasonable at first glance), but then when I test my hypothesis, I find it is false and must be discarded - square root of 2 is not rational but irrational (like many xtians).

Similarly, we can conceptualize of an omniscient, omnipotent, totally just, all-merciful, all-benevolent being (seems all warm and fuzzy - a human comfort zone), yet when we test our theory, it falls apart: an omniscient being is not omnipotent (knowing exactly what is going to happen prevents him/her/it from changing anything), justice and mercy are incompatable (mercy is an exception to justice and vice versa), and benevolence falls on its face because of the problem of evil.

swordsbane United States Posted on 03/23/2007 at 07:51 PM

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I used to enjoy baiting Christians (at least the in-your-face-ones) but I’m starting to feel like I’m beating a puppy with a stick.  They are (for the most part) well meaning.  They’re not smart enough to use arguments that at I have to think about before replying, so they have no chance of either affecting my beliefs or changing my mind, and it’s just so darn easy to take apart what they say, but I, in turn have no chance of changing their minds either.  So I just keep hitting them with the stick and they can’t even dodge, but they come back just the same.  It’s almost like I feel embarrassed for them, because they don’t have the sense to be embarrassed themselves.  If that’s what faith is, no thank you.  No really… no thank you.

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luke United States Posted on 03/12/2008 at 08:50 AM

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ok the fact that you criticize someone one there beliefs proves that A. you have no life. B. the creator of the site looks like he has been homeless for the past 20 year of that gay bread. C. everyone that has posted on this board is probably in their 30’s and still plays video games. D. ok i know this one is true YOU ARE ALL SINGLE, cause i don’t know any woman that would want to date any of you.

Les United States Posted on 03/12/2008 at 12:20 PM

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Luke shows up and proves that the criticisms I have of many so-called Christians are right on target:

ok the fact that you criticize someone one there beliefs proves that A. you have no life

That depends on how you define the words “have a life.” If you mean that I go out and do things such as sky dive or climb mountains then it’s true that I don’t have a life. If you mean I only sit around blogging about idiots like yourself then I do have a life as I do much more than just blog about morons who make a lot of assumptions on very little evidence.

B. the creator of the site looks like he has been homeless for the past 20 year of that gay bread.

You claim I don’t have a life because I criticize someone else’s beliefs and yet you take the time to criticize my beard? Could you be a bigger hypocrite if you tried?

C. everyone that has posted on this board is probably in their 30’s and still plays video games.

I’m assuming that’s supposed to be an insult of some sort, but I’m not sure how being in your 30’s and/or playing video games in some way makes my criticism any less valid. For the record, I’m 40 and I play video games. So what does that prove other than you’re an idiot who makes a lot of half-correct assumptions?

D. ok i know this one is true YOU ARE ALL SINGLE, cause i don’t know any woman that would want to date any of you.

OK, make that mostly incorrect assumptions. I’ve been married for coming up on 7 years (as of April 21st). Wanna try any more guesses, Mr. Wizard, or are you done making an ass out of yourself?

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MisterMook United States Posted on 03/12/2008 at 02:52 PM

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I thought Luke was just hoping that you had a gay beard, Les - you know, because it’s so cold outside and he wants a completely heterosexual platonic naked Christian man-on-man cuddle or something.

Basic self-hate, balanced on the fact that he’s probably 17-23 and a virgin.

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