SEB Mail Bag: “BEHOLD HULK HOGAN NOW ! LOOK UPON THAT MIGHTY KING OF DEBATE”

Posted by Les on Friday, November 03, 2006 at 06:28 PM. Read 1703 times. Tags: , ,
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I had to read this one all the way through before I could decide which side of the issue this fellow was on or why the subject line had a reference to Hulk Hogan in it when the email itself appears to be about “Dr.” Kent Hovind. Fair warning, it’s very long so I’ll be putting some of it below the fold:

    Subject: BEHOLD HULK HOGAN NOW ! LOOK UPON THAT MIGHTY KING OF DEBATE
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    The Pensacola News: He tried to stress to me that he was like the pope and this was like the Vatican,” Seminole attorney David Charles Gibbs testified at Hovind’s trial before U.S. District Judge Casey Rodgers.

    Catholic church pays not one red cent of taxes but one meager servant of the Lord - a man who gave it everything he had and put everything he owned into spreading the gospel of truth today goes to jail for 288 years

    Look at Hovinds house. Hovind did not live in the lap of luxury. Every last cent , every last breathe , every drop of that mans blood went into the work of the ministry.

    Have you ever read Foxes Book of Martyrs? Heard of John Bunyan ? Pilgrims Progress ? Bunyan was a jail bird too.  Have you ever read Revelation 17 in any classic Bible commentary ? Have you heard of Charles Spurgeon, Matthew Henry, Jonathan Edwards ? Did any learn in school of the Dark ages or the glorious light of the Reformation?


    Why did you think the following was written ? 

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.”

    These words were clear and sensible.

    First Amendment clearly places the church outside the jurisdiction of civil government: Congress shall make NO LAW respecting an establishment of religion, nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof. Is was a hedge of protection against the persecution.



And it just gets weirder from there…

    This country was begun by Pilgrims- for the most part the few descendants of Protestant Huguenots that remained . Saint Bartholomew’s Day Massacre where the Roman Catholic clergy fell upon the unarmed people, and blood flowed like a river throughout the entire country. In one week, almost 100,100 perished. The rivers of France were so filled with corpses that for many months no fish were eaten.

    The massacres continued for centuries. The best and brightest people fled to Germany, Switzerland, England, Ireland and eventually America The Pope commissioned Italian artist Vasari to paint a mural of the Massacre—which still proudly hangs in the Vatican!

    The Mennonite cages still hang proudly in European Cathedrals where birds pecked out their eyes ..Albigensians, Waldensians , Wycliffians, Lollards, Quakers...Drunken with the blood of saints.

    What about more recent times - Jasenovac? There is an excellent movie about the WWII mass conversions by beheading on Google video .

    Bill Clinton carried a Bible but was given catholic communion.

    Those Serbian orthodox may be apostate but still refuse to kiss the gold ring of a pope of Rome today. God bless them.

    History repeats again and again and people are lulled into a false security. But under pain of death some will never call any man Father.

    You may want to watch:

    See http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1961984528319702631&q=jasenovac

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7695778559946532278&q=Vatican+control


    Wondering about illegal immigrants?  What is the common denominator?

    .http://www.pccmonroe.org/Ecumenism/romanizingamerica.htm

    Churches have never been taxable.

    Gospel work was always free in this country until President Johnson.

    To be taxable a church would first need to be under the jurisdiction, and therefore under the taxing authority, of the government.

    501c3 has had a chilling effect upon the free speech rights of the church. LBJ was a shrew and cunning politician who seemed to well-appreciate how easily many of the clergy would sell out.

    Although Johnson proffered this as a “favor” to churches, that favor also came with strings attached (shackles)

    Be not desirous of his dainties: for they are deceitful meat.

    And put a knife to thy throat, if thou be a man given to appetite.

    But the church - she took and she did eat .  One need not look far to see the devastating effects 501c3 acceptance has had to the church.

    501c3 churches prohibited from addressing, in any tangible way, the vital issues of the day.

    For a 501c3 church to openly speak out, or organize in opposition to, anything that the government declares “legal,” even if it is immoral , that church will jeopardize its tax exempt status.

    So our politicians proudly march beside NAMBLA and all US hospitals are setting up to scan the Verichip implanted in the right hand there is not a word from the politically correct 501C-3 harlot pulpit.

    Not one of these ministers dares to talk about Verichip, Patriot act, Habeas corpus .. NAMBLA . His god is his belly and his glory is his shame.

    Hovind would not allow the state to Lord over his tongue but filled with a courage only the Lord can provide men he stood apart from this pack of ravenous wolves and greedy dogs that cannot get enough and warned the flock of danger .

    It is neither safe nor right to go against conscience and the clear light of scripture.

    The writ of habeas corpus is gone… under the same administration that was the first in all of US history to hang a flag at half mast for a Pope .

    A US President attends the red mass for the man that burnt William Tyndale at the stake. The handwriting is on the wall and people are still drunken with pleasure venerating their MSNBC idols and reciting verses learned from corporate owned media images . They know not is about to befall them.

    When persecution is in fashion, envy, enmity, and malice, are strangely diffused into the minds of men by contagion: and truth is looked upon as a horror that needs to be put down.

    Cain had fair warning given him . God himself had told him what would come of it, yet he persisted in his barbarous design.

    That which the scripture tells us was the reason why he slew him ; it was because his own works were evil and his brother’s righteous, so that herein he showed himself to be of that wicked one (1Jo_3:12), a child of the devil, an enemy to all righteousness.

    Yet so it remains today - bad men will continue their restless malice and defend their wicked actions though Providence itself reproves and has so often defeated their mischievous designs.

    The murder of Abel was the more inhuman because there were now so few men in the world to replenish it. The life of a man is precious at any time; but it was in a special manner precious now, and could ill be spared. Perilous times.

    Lord allows wicked to go on doing wickedly till they fill up their full measure of iniquity then suddenly they are cut off in the midst of their prosperity.

    Know that this day ye have shed the blood of an innocent man.

    Behold, thou hast spoken and done evil things as thou couldest.

    Son of man.. remember…

    Remember what thou hast done

    When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.

    But praise God when they were burning the saints of God the gospel burned with mighty fire!  It has been said that the day they burned William Tyndale at the stake that anyone Tyndales smoke even blew upon was saved!

    Men of bad character, little hams will exalt in their victory.

    And they were the more fierce, saying, Hovind stirreth up the lies, teaching throughout all to this place

    And they stood and vehemently accused him

    Hovind is here insulted and surrounded by his enemies, such as were of a higher rank, who for their strength and fury, are compared to bulls, strong bulls of Bashan .

    Fat and fed to the full, haughty and sour; filthy and greedy, and unwearied in running him down. There was an assembly of the wicked plotting against him. Chief police, college scribes and pharisees.

    They have carried their plot far, and seem to have gained their point, for they have beset Hovind round.

    They gaped upon him with their mouths, to show that they would swallow him up; and this with as much strength and fierceness as a roaring ravening lion leaps upon his prey.

    Hovind is deserted by his friends: Trouble and distress are near, and there is none to help, none to uphold.

    They look and stare upon him

    Delivered up Hovind to council .

    Send unto him certain of the legal sort , to catch him in his words.

    The officers saw him, they cried out, to the judge .. This man ..He..why.. he said a verse to me!  It was an assault! Battery ! It was very threatening !


    288 years ..

    They look and stare upon him . Gape with their mouths. 288 years

    Hovind looks over to offer an encouraging wink to his wife.

    Hovind silent. Hovind praying : Lord, how long wilt thou look on? rescue my soul from their destructions, my darling from the lions.

    This time it really is Hovinds wife we see , not just a picture of her. Ever wonder about that routine with the picture? Wonder why ? I always knew.. One just man traveled alone in this land of filthy adulterers . Hovind made certain all women knew that he loved his own wife. 
    Mrs. Hovind , not her picture stands to get just 240 years..

    But we hear the real Mrs. Hovind is such a wretched miser ,so precise stingy and greedy that she docked her own daughter ten dollars for talking too long.  Mrs Hovind deserves a few more years for training up her daughter me thinks . Fall foul upon the woman! Get her!

    Hovind is stripped.

    Hail hulk Hogan!
    Behold the naked creationist .
    See this King of debate.

    Shamed and disgraced.

    Kent Hovind mocked! Hovind scourged.

    Kent Hovind a name they shall spit upon.

    What was that men will say to each other.. Whatdidja do learn that from Hovind?

    And they laughed him to scorn.

    Thou hast brought him to the dust.

    Hovind poured out like water .

    288 years..

    They pierced his hands and his nailed his feet .

    Hovind restricted from travel cannot move about now.

    Yeah, you got him. Nailed that sucker.. 288 years ..

    Hovind crucified.

    With wicked hands, ye took him and slew him .

    They shall part Hovinds garments among them, to every soldier a part, and upon them his vesture.

    Whistle blower collects her pieces of silver.

    Almost time to cast lots, boys. Good bargains at government auction down at Dino Adventure land.

    Go ahead, bang the drum..and sing your hosannas ye fatted kine .

    Awake, ye drunkards, and weep; and howl, all ye drinkers of wine, because of the new wine; for it is cut off from your mouth.

    Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you.

    A new Hovind will arise. ..

    Then one more.. and after that another, and yet still after that so many others.  My Father can , has and always will raise up for himself new witnesses out of stone. The rocks themselves will sing . ........................................................................................... . 

    The Lord look upon it and inquires : How long will you do so? Will you never be convinced of your error? Will your malice never have spent itself?”

    And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire

    Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:

    For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD.

It figures someone as bat shit crazy as Hovind would attract equally bat shit crazy fans. Though I have to admit that I’m looking forward to the singing rocks…

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Webs United States Posted on 11/05/2006 at 07:02 PM

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Very nice catch LJ!!

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MisterMook United States Posted on 11/05/2006 at 07:51 PM

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That’s priceless.

Oh, the irony. Accuse us of operating from a script, then being found out to have lifted your whole argument entire from somewhere else? I wonder if he’ll show up again, now that he’s got the credibility of...oh wait, he’s got no credibility anymore.

MisterMook United States Posted on 11/05/2006 at 08:04 PM

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BTW, I did some follow up Googling myself:
Check out the very same letter to Les first posted

As such, I think I’m going to pull out my crystal ball and make a preemptive response for “Paolo” for him, in the same spirit as the first two:

Is it true there is an agenda against Dr. Hovind?

Count the Wikipedia pages!

John Wayne Gacy won 5 pages
Ted Bundy won 12 pages
Jeffrey Dahmer won 8 pages
Pol Pot won 14 pages
Hitler won 37 pages

But Dr. Kent Hovind has beaten them all and TOPPED OUT AT A WHOPPING 41 PAGES!!

Look at the thousands upon thousands of anti hovind web sites.

Satan will not cast out Satan.

ONLY the truth of my Blessed Lord creates this kind of emnity in the hearts of men

Ye shall be hated of all men for my name sake.

Father cannot tell a lie.

Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

Christian, let us NOT lift our tongues or even once be found in any manner to join in slander against and scourge a servant of the most high.

That’s from the same person who posted the initial message to the Pensacola News Journal. Too bad there’s only two messages there, or I could probably continue Paolo’s “deep thinking” for a few more pages.

Les United States Posted on 11/05/2006 at 08:13 PM

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DOF writes…

So he doesn’t quite know how blogs work?  C’mon, you know some smart people who are technologically challenged.

Of course, this guy doesn’t seem to be one of them.

Indeed he isn’t. He’s still trying to reply to the notification emails even after I told him that his replies won’t end up on the thread nor will they be seen by the person he’s replying to. What’s even more amusing is his response to my email letting him know what an idiot he is:

    From: Jonathan Brandmeier

    Bit of a dim bulb are we?
    The threads I am refering to were viewed directly from the URL prior to signing up.
    [chuckles]

He actually thinks he’s put me in my place. How friggin’ hilarious is that?

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Sadie Jane United States Posted on 11/05/2006 at 08:47 PM

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PaoloJoe, are you sure you’re not projecting all over the place?

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decrepitoldfool United States Posted on 11/05/2006 at 11:14 PM

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He’s still trying to reply to the notification emails even after I told him…

OK it’s one thing for a person to miss reading onscreen instructions, or not to grasp how a system works.  But after you told him…

Golly.  tongue rolleye

MisterMook United States Posted on 11/05/2006 at 11:57 PM

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The guy’s computer knowledge apparently covers cut and paste though.

LuckyJohn19 Australia Posted on 11/06/2006 at 12:59 AM

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MM: The guy’s computer knowledge apparently covers cut and paste though.

I know there must be a joke about mouse abuse in there somewhere ... my synapses must be separating even more; I just can’t think of it. wink

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ingolfson New Zealand (Aotearoa) Posted on 11/06/2006 at 08:20 AM

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I know there must be a joke about mouse abuse in there somewhere ... my synapses must be separating even more; I just can’t think of it.

Just work from the script, LJ. Just work from the goddamned atheism SCRIPT!

Yeezus, you people.

MisterMook United States Posted on 11/06/2006 at 09:13 AM

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Thank you, please drive through.

LuckyJohn19 Australia Posted on 11/06/2006 at 09:53 PM

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Ing: Just work from the goddamned atheism SCRIPT!

I’ve lost it.  wink

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Last_Hussar Great Britain (UK) Posted on 11/06/2006 at 10:57 PM

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mouse abuse

Is this the thing about using them as tampons?

I’ve lost it.

LJ You lost it years ago. Join the club- sit down in the clubhouse and have a beer

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LuckyJohn19 Australia Posted on 11/07/2006 at 12:19 AM

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sit down in the clubhouse and have a beer

Nah. My mate has taken his wife to the Gold Coast for a week or so; I’m going sober for a few days ... maybe.
The Melbourne Cup (the race that stops a nation) is on in a few minutes.
And they’re off!  LOL
I lost $5.

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I’ve discovered that it all boils down to brain wiring: your brain is wired to worship magic or it isn’t, either it’s wired to utilize logic or it isn’t, either it’s analytical of myths or it isn’t.

Les United States Posted on 11/07/2006 at 12:25 AM

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PaoloJoeJingy/Jonathan Brandmeier has developed some sort of obsession with me. He’s been emailing me all day long and some of the emails even manage to be coherent. I’d say there’s been at least 15 or 20 emails exchanged so far and it’s been pretty easy to egg him on to new heights of idiocy with only a few carefully chosen comments. Now he’s apparently sending out emails to some of you regulars to tell you what a horrible liar I am.

It’s almost like having my own personal Fundie Stalker.

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All I know is my steak tastes better when I take my steak tastes better pill
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MisterMook United States Posted on 11/07/2006 at 12:19 PM

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Just remember to save all the emails and print them out so that the police don’t have an excuse to seize your computers when he comes at you as an agent of the lord with an ax to smite the unbeliever, and to call them up the moment he says something directly threatening.

Stalkers are scary. I mean, it’s all cute when they’re just ranting and raving in emails, but eventually the sometimes get your address and home phone number and start wanting to talk about your kids. And yeah, I’m not coming from nowhere here.

zilch Austria Posted on 11/07/2006 at 12:45 PM

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I answered Jonathan’s mail to me quite politely, requesting more particulars, and he graced me with a reply of sorts (I feel so lucky!):

Dear Dummy,
You’re following a liar.
It’s your forum now deal with it.

I think we liars should stick together. LOL

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Les United States Posted on 11/07/2006 at 12:51 PM

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I’m beginning to think he can’t be much older than 13 or so with some of the replies he manages to come up with.

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All I know is the wine lasts longer when you don’t gotta share it with someone
All I know is my steak tastes better when I take my steak tastes better pill
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Patness Canada Posted on 11/07/2006 at 01:07 PM

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I know what you mean MisterMook - I have a close friend who plays on a RP-PVP server in World of Warcraft. She had a guy with what sound like serious emotional problems start falling for her - next thing she knows he’s got her address and phone number and won’t leave her alone. Things are kind of on the level now - she talked the guy down once and severed all contact.

But then, it’s your life. Even when bad goes worse, you should always be prepared to protect yourself.

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Webs United States Posted on 11/07/2006 at 03:50 PM

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So he doesn’t quite know how blogs work?  C’mon, you know some smart people who are technologically challenged.

Sure do and they are called University Professors!

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