Russian astrologer nutcase sues NASA over Deep Impact.

Posted by Les on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 at 12:19 AM. Read 2870 times. Tags: , ,
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Every now and then after I post an entry about some delusional twit who’s carrying on about some form of pseudoscience or another I’ll get a couple of angry emails from people who demand to know just who the hell I think I am to ridicule someone just because they’re a flaming idiot? “So what if they believe in [insert nutball belief here]?!” they demand in angry tones, “As long as they’re not hurting anybody then what’s the harm?”

It’s a hard case to argue against and when push comes to shove I’ll be the first to admit that if you’re going to insist on being a dumbass then you have every right in the world to do so, but I’ll still call you a dumbass for it. Every now and then, however, I come across a news item like this one which demonstrates clearly why the dumbasses need to be bitch-slapped a couple of times until they get some common sense knocked into them.

It seems a Russian astrologist by the name of Marina Bai is suing NASA in Russian court to try to put a stop to their plans to crash a probe in the Tempel-1 comet on July 4:

In a lawsuit she filed last month with the Presnensky district court in Moscow, Bai is demanding that NASA call off its $311 million operation, with the spacecraft already in its cruise phase. She also wants 8.7 billion rubles (the ruble equivalent of the entire cost of the mission) in compensation for moral damages.

“The actions of NASA infringe upon my system of spiritual and life values, in particular on the values of every element of creation, upon the unacceptability of barbarically interfering with the natural life of the universe, and the violation of the natural balance of the Universe,” Bai said in her claim.

You thought Tree Huggers were bad, meet the world’s first Comet Hugger. The really depressingly sad part about this story? She’s not alone in her concerns:

“Imagine leaving Moscow, then returning to find everything’s changed,” says Vladimir Portnov, a physicist and a professional astrologist. “Of course, everyday people will feel the implications of destroying a comet.”

According to Portnov, even something as “minor” as comets play a role in creating humanity’s psychic environment. By wantonly destroying a comet, NASA will inevitably disrupt that environment — with the most likely result being mass anxiety.

Give me a friggin’ break. Talk about your oxymorons! I love how this clown is described as a professional astrologist, but not a professional physicist. There’s probably a good reason for that.

Whether or not there’s any chance that these clowns have any chance of actually affecting the Deep Impact mission doesn’t change the fact that a lot of people still have to review the case in Russia and even possible the United States over a ridiculous claim that has no basis in reality simply because some idiot believes in astrology. This sort of lunacy isn’t confined to Russia either, we’ve had a fair number of similar astoundingly stupid lawsuits here in the states as well. What the fuck is wrong with you people?

Update: PZ Myers tackles this one as well. 

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warbi United States Posted on 07/15/2005 at 06:05 PM

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Wow!  Glad I made it back from camping in time for more of Mediator’s Monologues! wink

Denying ones spiritual self just because it has not “appearedâ€?,…

Spirituality and religious belief are not of necessity synonomous.  For example, I am an atheist, yet I still feel that there is a part of my mind that is “spirit” as opposed to the thinking rational part.  Spirituality can involve immersion in the arts, a few days of solitude in the wilderness, climbing a mountain, or whatever that gives the person a sense of wonder and amazement.  Hiking into the Pasayten Wilderness certainly conveyed that sense to me.  I was miles from any city or road and, more than likely, even any people.  Other than the trail, there wasn’t even any sign of humans.  The views from the passes were miles of mountains, hills, and virgin forests intersperced with streams and rivers.

Being open minded is the most fundamental condition for successful personal development.

For someone who considers himself so “open-minded”, you sure were quick to pass judgement on others based on a very limited few comments on one thread.  I would think that a very open-minded person would hold off on making hasty judgements that might not have any basis in fact.  One glaring judgement that stands out was your assertion that we are all extremely jingoistic (read: patriotic) Americans.  There are people from other countries here as well as some Americans living in other countries and even those of us living here in the USA have quite different ideological views.  If you are basing that view on the fact that most of us here were debating from the empiricist viewpoint, then you have faulty logic.  According to a CNN report, there is a higher percentage of Europeans who consider themselves empiricists than there are Americans who consider themselves empiricists.

decrepitoldfool United States Posted on 07/15/2005 at 07:21 PM

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Mediator, I can’t speak for anyone else here, but if you want to diss me for being “pro-American,” feel free because I am, with no apology.  That is not the same thing as being “pro-Iraq-war”, or “pro-Bush”, etc.  Nor is it the same as being “anti-” the rest of the world.  I hope those distinctions do not cause you any difficulty.

One can be open to unsupported claims (all too common) or be open to claims supported by evidence.  Then the question is: what is evidence?  To me, that would be something that can be perceived by anyone (not just believers), measured/recorded by instruments, and in many cases predictable by scientific theory and/or reproducable by experiment.

If your standard of evidence is things only believers can perceive, or “whatever feels right,” we have little basis for establishing what is proved or indeed, even for discussion.

An ateist is completely incapable of understanding how it feels to be spiritually awake.

You’ve ended three of your comments with some variation of “have a nice life”, which implies you do not intend to return.  There’s no need for you to leave but you should not expect rationalists to uncritically greet your unsupported claims. 

Nor do you know what any other person understands about spirituality.  How do you know you are the one who does not understand?  You don’t.

nowiser United States Posted on 07/15/2005 at 10:36 PM

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I hope those distinctions do not cause you any difficulty

I suspect Mediocre has difficulty using a can opener.

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Mediator Norway Posted on 11/28/2005 at 06:10 AM

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Blah, blah, blah, blah…

Hello “me”. Got an e-mail notification, but where’s your post?

I’ll comment as little as possible, MY efforts of communication is probably a waste anyway.

i must say i am truly APPALLED at the general lack of
commonplace education here (i am only a sophomore in high school)

My stats:
- IQ: 146 (Mensa)
- at your point of education: was rated #7 in my country in mathematics
- #4 in my country in fitness symmetry
Is this the only form of communication you comprehend?

Pride pride pride I did this I know that brag brag blah blah… do you think I give a s**t? I couldn’t care less about my stats; what matters in the world today is people’s ability to show compassion and tolerance. It is no longer the necessity of science that drives us, it is some stupid eager to play God, to “succeed at succeeding”! It is all getting out of hand today, and we all have to wake up, or it is going to bring us down… down for good.

Nations vanity - the hunt for prestige and this silly patriotism - brings only more distance into the world. And distance creates dissatisfaction, envy… and generates different sorts of extremities. The world is getting smaller and more fragile every day. One mad person with one bad tool is all that it takes. And we close our eyes shut our ears spray some perfume on and claim that it is “their fault alone”. I’d say time has come to take some responsibility.

But just carry on feeding your ego, mister - and see where it takes us…

u r a Christian?!?!?!?!?!  with all this shit on the “plan for everything”
you sure dont seem like a christian.  yes, God knows what you will do, or
rather God knows the choices you will face, but that doesnt mean that if you
stray from God he wont recieve you.  that is why His son died for us, so we
could be forgiven, so we could spend eternity with Him.

No, I did not say that I was a Christian… and atleast not of the conservative kind (the ones slaying through Europe some centuries ago, remember?). Guess you’ve figured that out already. I’m simply a human connected to God, just like you and everybody else on this planet (even the ones living in denial, whether they like the idea or not). Fighting for boundless freedom, openess and honesty, justice and tolerance.

What is “a true christian” to you? Do you feel that Jesus gives you a “legit exuse” to shut your eyes, and avoid taking any responsibility? Is he like bayberry to you? Do you feel true inner peace? You sound like a Christian-in-mind, striving to understand, afraid to let go. Quite judgmental and intolerant too, I’d say. Let go of your ego, and what you think you believe, and I’ll guarantee you the benifit of an improved life quality, and the true connection with God. Mystery of life can only be solved by turning our focus… searching inwards… glad I figured that long time ago.

zilch Austria Posted on 11/28/2005 at 07:45 AM

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Hey gang! Got lots of time on your hands? The Bizarro Man is back!

#4 in my country in fitness symmetry

Whoa, Mediator! Wouldn’t want to meet you in some dark, symmetrical alley!

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Les United States Posted on 11/28/2005 at 08:27 AM

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Always amusing to read his latest attempts at forming coherent sentences…

Blah, blah, blah, blah…

Hello “me�. Got an e-mail notification, but where’s your post?

The comment that generated the notification was spam so I deleted it. That’s why it’s not here. Perhaps had you looked at the notification closely you would have spotted that fact.

I’ll comment as little as possible, MY efforts of communication is probably a waste anyway.

Considering the rather pathetic content of the last few offerings from you I’d have to agree with that statement.

My stats:
- IQ: 146 (Mensa)
- at your point of education: was rated #7 in my country in mathematics
- #4 in my country in fitness symmetry
Is this the only form of communication you comprehend?

It’s not like you’re the first intelligent person to settle for wishful thinking over reality. Assuming, of course, that your listed stats are true. Having a high I.Q. is no guarantee against buying into nonsense.

Pride pride pride I did this I know that brag brag blah blah… do you think I give a s**t? I couldn’t care less about my stats; what matters in the world today is people’s ability to show compassion and tolerance. It is no longer the necessity of science that drives us, it is some stupid eager to play God, to “succeed at succeeding�! It is all getting out of hand today, and we all have to wake up, or it is going to bring us down… down for good.

Nations vanity - the hunt for prestige and this silly patriotism - brings only more distance into the world. And distance creates dissatisfaction, envy… and generates different sorts of extremities. The world is getting smaller and more fragile every day. One mad person with one bad tool is all that it takes. And we close our eyes shut our ears spray some perfume on and claim that it is “their fault alone�. I’d say time has come to take some responsibility.

But just carry on feeding your ego, mister - and see where it takes us…

All those brains and yet you still manage to stay just this side of comprehensible.

No, I did not say that I was a Christian… and atleast not of the conservative kind (the ones slaying through Europe some centuries ago, remember?). Guess you’ve figured that out already. I’m simply a human connected to God, just like you and everybody else on this planet (even the ones living in denial, whether they like the idea or not). Fighting for boundless freedom, openess and honesty, justice and tolerance.

Why he’s SUPER MEDIATOR! Armed with his amazing DISCOMBOBULATING RAY there is no amount of happy horse shit he can’t produce in order to overwhelm the enemy in time to return home for some of Mom’s apple pie!

What is “a true christian� to you? Do you feel that Jesus gives you a “legit exuse� to shut your eyes, and avoid taking any responsibility? Is he like bayberry to you? Do you feel true inner peace? You sound like a Christian-in-mind, striving to understand, afraid to let go. Quite judgmental and intolerant too, I’d say. Let go of your ego, and what you think you believe, and I’ll guarantee you the benifit of an improved life quality, and the true connection with God. Mystery of life can only be solved by turning our focus… searching inwards… glad I figured that long time ago.

This is some funny shit. Very New Agey in many respects. I wonder if he sits around communing harmonically with his grass?

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Mediator Norway Posted on 12/12/2005 at 05:27 AM

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Truth, openness and genuineness is an absolute necessity for succeeding in life.

Fear is a product of untruthfulness, which comes from insecurity. If there is fear in you, then you are not true to yourself. I am not completely true to myself. But by accepting that, knowing most of my weaknesses, wishing to reveal all those unknown - I am able to eliminate them one by one as I move on.

We are all patriots - gang members - in some aspect. Because we are too insecure to stand on our own feet. Influenced by our surroundings. Worry how our neighbour or our best friend would react, instead of just doing what we feel is the right thing to do, without hesitation. I am no exception, but I am consciously working on it, every day.

Detachment - the transforming into oneself - achieving sovereignty - is a lifelong process - but I do belive that most of us are moving in that direction - and wow how rewarding it is! Makes one understand that each and every one of us is a unique individual with a tremendous potential - and not just the vague replica we resemble. Understanding that unity does not necessarily make strong… but only if you unite with the forces within you, and not with the external ones, which tend to mislead you and bring you down. Completing the puzzle inside, piece by piece. The day when nobody can put you in any box - no matter how tiny - is the day you graduate. The day you allow anyone to look into any aspect of your life, without resistance. The day you are 100% secure. The day you dare to spill your inner emotions all over your own website, Les.

Who is “buying into nonsense”? Who is the real “fool”? When was the last time you dared to stick your neck out for love, Les? Why are you being so hard on yourself? Who taught you that? Ask yourself those questions, Les. Or, ask your friends, if you’re not man enough to deal with them yourself…

Les United States Posted on 12/12/2005 at 06:08 AM

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The coherency is getting better even if the content is still as nonsensical as always. Keep working on it Mediator and eventually you may actually write something worth reading.

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Mediator Norway Posted on 12/13/2005 at 10:58 AM

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Les,

I wish you and all your loved ones the best of luck with your meaningful lives, hoping that before you die, you will all find peace of mind… and the ultimate happiness.

I truely do.

Mediator

Les United States Posted on 12/13/2005 at 01:17 PM

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Now there’s a comment I can appreciate, Mediator. Though it may surprise you, I also hope you and yours do well and prosper.

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jjj United States Posted on 02/25/2008 at 06:11 PM

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blank stare  i noticed most people sue others over somthing that can be solved by conversation or by just ignoring it…

shut eye THE IDIOTS!!! WOULD YOU SUE ANYONE OVER SOMTHING IN SPACE THAT YOU DON’T OWN!!!!????

...i would if i was drunk...and high...of (insert drug illegal in US here) at the same time… but actually if i wuz, i’d be dead so that solves that problem… ( gulp  mixed with sick )

frm: ME Me me

MisterMook United States Posted on 02/25/2008 at 07:47 PM

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This lawsuit isn’t exactly as bullshit when you place it squarely in financial terms: The prospective loss of profit and value faced by the plaintiff as the defendant willfully impacts public property being legally used by the plaintiff for her livelihood. I’m not saying that it’s not bullshit on a whole different level, but in some respects its a lot like suing the government to stop them from tearing down the public wetlands next to your business because of the prospective loss of profits or increased costs for making up the value of the lost green space.

Most lawsuits aren’t about disagreements you can solve with conversation or that you can ignore though. It costs too much money to engage in legal activities for most people to use them that frivolously. It’s about money, and people don’t easily come to agreements over money so they ask the government to arbitrate for them; and it’s about power, when the government is the only agency strong enough to compel an action from someone (as, in this case, the government itself.)

I can’t believe I got suckered into replying to a three year old thread.

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