Russian astrologer nutcase sues NASA over Deep Impact.

Posted by Les on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 at 12:19 AM. Read 2464 times. Tags: , ,
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Every now and then after I post an entry about some delusional twit who’s carrying on about some form of pseudoscience or another I’ll get a couple of angry emails from people who demand to know just who the hell I think I am to ridicule someone just because they’re a flaming idiot? “So what if they believe in [insert nutball belief here]?!” they demand in angry tones, “As long as they’re not hurting anybody then what’s the harm?”

It’s a hard case to argue against and when push comes to shove I’ll be the first to admit that if you’re going to insist on being a dumbass then you have every right in the world to do so, but I’ll still call you a dumbass for it. Every now and then, however, I come across a news item like this one which demonstrates clearly why the dumbasses need to be bitch-slapped a couple of times until they get some common sense knocked into them.

It seems a Russian astrologist by the name of Marina Bai is suing NASA in Russian court to try to put a stop to their plans to crash a probe in the Tempel-1 comet on July 4:

In a lawsuit she filed last month with the Presnensky district court in Moscow, Bai is demanding that NASA call off its $311 million operation, with the spacecraft already in its cruise phase. She also wants 8.7 billion rubles (the ruble equivalent of the entire cost of the mission) in compensation for moral damages.

“The actions of NASA infringe upon my system of spiritual and life values, in particular on the values of every element of creation, upon the unacceptability of barbarically interfering with the natural life of the universe, and the violation of the natural balance of the Universe,” Bai said in her claim.

You thought Tree Huggers were bad, meet the world’s first Comet Hugger. The really depressingly sad part about this story? She’s not alone in her concerns:

“Imagine leaving Moscow, then returning to find everything’s changed,” says Vladimir Portnov, a physicist and a professional astrologist. “Of course, everyday people will feel the implications of destroying a comet.”

According to Portnov, even something as “minor” as comets play a role in creating humanity’s psychic environment. By wantonly destroying a comet, NASA will inevitably disrupt that environment — with the most likely result being mass anxiety.

Give me a friggin’ break. Talk about your oxymorons! I love how this clown is described as a professional astrologist, but not a professional physicist. There’s probably a good reason for that.

Whether or not there’s any chance that these clowns have any chance of actually affecting the Deep Impact mission doesn’t change the fact that a lot of people still have to review the case in Russia and even possible the United States over a ridiculous claim that has no basis in reality simply because some idiot believes in astrology. This sort of lunacy isn’t confined to Russia either, we’ve had a fair number of similar astoundingly stupid lawsuits here in the states as well. What the fuck is wrong with you people?

Update: PZ Myers tackles this one as well. 

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warbi United States Posted on 07/05/2005 at 10:59 AM

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Mediator, why didn’t you address this point of kayte’s post:

i’d also like to argue the fact that by changing the comet’s path we could have sent it towards an M type planet where life may not have evolved and thus helped to create a new species.

This is as much a possibility as your claim that we might have doomed a planetary ecology.  This could be a moot point as well depending on whether life started through abiogenesis, exogenesis (your position), or panspermia.
Your point about messing in our own backyard is valid, but most things (if not every action) involve risks to some degree or another.  The risks and possible benefits need to be examined.  The risks of an experiment 83 million miles away will tend to be less than the same type of experiment done on earth or celestially closer.  For example, when the scientists were working on the Manhatten Project, there was some speculation as to whether or not the reaction would break containment and ignite the atmosphere.  We probably don’t know all of the effects of terrestrial test of nuclear weapons.  GMC is another area of potential risks, nothing like Attack of the Killer Tomatoes type risk that some would believe.  The two main risks with GMC are possible hitherto unknown allergies and possibly the plants spreading out of control and disrupting ecosystems.  The point comes when the theories, speculation and computer models have to be set aside for actual experimentation.  Without experimentation producing verifiable results science devolves back into philosophy.
Finally, Lynda made an accurate observation that celestial bodies are always subject to impacts.
Christine United States Posted on 07/05/2005 at 04:57 PM

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Wow...what a crock of shite. I think this woman is either a) a golddigger b) clinically insane or c) in need of a swift kick in the ass. Maybe shes all of them. But seriously...suing NASA for 300 mil? What a loser. How else are we going to learn ANYTHING about the universe (which we are part of) if we dont do things like this? Wow. I think she needs to just shut her trap and get on with her damn life

Beena Jain Canada Posted on 07/06/2005 at 12:11 AM

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If the astrologer was suing because the comet and probe impact will harm their spiritual and life values then they’ll lose the case right away because if we didn’t experiment then we’d probably have died because of some childhood disease, so experimentation is a must. The experiment was to find out what a comet is made up of essentially and perhaps to get to the mysteries regarding the universe and life. But if the astrologer sued because the experiment was unnecessary and it cost too much money that was needlessly taken out of the people’s pockets, then they stand a chance to win the case, which in my eyes is a very remote possibility because every single person on earth would like to get to those mysteries.

Mediator Norway Posted on 07/06/2005 at 06:43 AM

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lynda: Comets, like every other thing in space IS impacted with particles in a range of sizes daily

Well ofcourse. It’s part of its job. Could that be the reason why I referred to it as an intergalactic garbage collector, do you think? Duh. That doesn’t change me being sceptic to mankind interfering with the natural balance of Universe, without the proper skills nor knowledge. Our moon has impact craters. Large ones. Does that sanction it as target? Just like the fact that “somebody” is doing “something” doesn’t mean that “something” is the right thing to do. Thinking outside the box is often a good thing. And, just because you know that someone bigger than you was walking down the ice of a lake yesterday, doesn’t bring you any guarantees that you will stay on top of it today. Speaking metaphors, NASA didn’t even know the thickness of this ice, nor the location where their foot would step down.

warbi: Mediator, why didn’t you address this point of kayte’s post:


kayte: i’d also like to argue the fact that by changing the comet’s path we could have sent it towards an M type planet where life may not have evolved and thus helped to create a new species.

Universe is not bingo. There is a plan behind everything, and there is nothing there that should be tampered with. If mankind were threatened by a globe killer someday, I believe that there’s a great chance that this situation was provoked by mankind in the first place. Of Earth, or some other civilization.

warbi: The risks and possible benefits need to be examined.

Yes, they do. Both sides. Pro con. And I believe that the risk of operating on an unknown object in an unknown territory, is greater than any benifit less than crucial.

warbi: Without experimentation producing verifiable results science devolves back into philosophy.

Without the proper knowledge, trigger happy scientists may very well devolve Earth all the way back to its source…

Les United States Posted on 07/06/2005 at 07:09 AM

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Universe is not bingo. There is a plan behind everything, and there is nothing there that should be tampered with. If mankind were threatened by a globe killer someday, I believe that there’s a great chance that this situation was provoked by mankind in the first place. Of Earth, or some other civilization.

And with that statement you’ve just joined my list of “nutball commenters.” Welcome aboard. You’ve got plenty of company.

Though I must say you make me chuckle more than the average nutball…

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Mediator Norway Posted on 07/06/2005 at 10:32 AM

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Les: And with that statement you’ve just joined my list of “nutball commenters.�

Really? Gee, thanks, I’m honoured. I was curious when some guy of your convictions would dawdle to such a conclusion; how come it took you so long? Boredom was about to get to me, but finally appeared a trace clear enough for your kind to interpret. How about upgrading your recognition system with the latest nuance detection module? Your current one seems somewhat primitive. A site like yours is like flypaper to us zom-bees you know. A sweet little playground for us to settle down and breed… until boredom strikes us.

Let me ask you one question, and feel free to find a calculator and multiply the factors as we go if you feel that accuracy is important here: Amongst dozens of planets under billions of stars of hundreds of billions + + + of galaxies, do you really think that the civilization of Earth represents the most advanced one?

And attempt to disprove (any of) what I am saying. Do you think Universe is bingo? Do you think that the solar system is randomly organized? Do you think that no moon, sun nor planet has any effect on any life form or terrestrial cycle what so ever? Do you claim that no action of mankind is able to manipulate the processes of our own solar system?

If you still look upon me as a nutball, drilling a bit deeper into yourself might be a good thing to do. I truely believe you are capable. And I spare myself the chuckles - you are just an average ordinary typical “normal” person to me…

Les United States Posted on 07/06/2005 at 11:22 AM

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Really? Gee, thanks, I’m honoured. I was curious when some guy of your convictions would dawdle to such a conclusion; how come it took you so long?

I’ve been busy. And I was curious to see if you were going to take your argument in the direction it appeared to be headed toward, but mostly just busy. You know, trying to become un-unemployed.

Boredom was about to get to me, but finally appeared a trace clear enough for your kind to interpret. How about upgrading your recognition system with the latest nuance detection module? Your current one seems somewhat primitive. A site like yours is like flypaper to us zom-bees you know. A sweet little playground for us to settle down and breed… until boredom strikes us.

Don’t flatter yourself too much. Just because I was generous with how long I waited before deciding you were a nutball doesn’t mean it only just now dawned on me. Sometimes you get false positives so it’s always better to be sure.

Let me ask you one question, and feel free to find a calculator and multiply the factors as we go if you feel that accuracy is important here: Amongst dozens of planets under billions of stars of hundreds of billions + + + of galaxies, do you really think that the civilization of Earth represents the most advanced one?

No need for a calculator as I’ve thought this one out a long time ago. I’m willing to bet the odds are pretty good that there are other lifeforms out there in a universe as big as this one and I’m also willing to bet that we’re not the most advanced species in existence. There’s just too many places out there were life could have taken hold long before we came along and had a healthy head start on the whole evolving thing.

And attempt to disprove (any of) what I am saying. Do you think Universe is bingo?

I’m not entirely sure I understand what you mean with that question. The Universe is Bingo?

Do you think that the solar system is randomly organized?

No, I think it’s organized based on standard principles of physics.

Do you think that no moon, sun nor planet has any effect on any life form or terrestrial cycle what so ever?

Of course they have an effect. Life wouldn’t exist at all without the energy provided by the sun and the gravitational pull of the moon causes the tides which have a direct influence on many life forms on this planet. That’s a very broad question, though, and answering yes to one aspect of it doesn’t necessarily mean that all claims of effect are thusly true.

Do you claim that no action of mankind is able to manipulate the processes of our own solar system?

I’m pretty sure we could have a dramatic impact on our solar system if we really put some effort into it just as we’ve damaged the Earth already. However the solar system and the objects floating around within it aren’t in anything near as fragile a balance as you seem to be suggesting.

If you still look upon me as a nutball, drilling a bit deeper into yourself might be a good thing to do. I truely believe you are capable. And I spare myself the chuckles - you are just an average ordinary typical “normal� person to me…

Well thanks. You’re one of the few folks who consider me to be normal so that makes for a refreshing change of pace. Yes, I still think you’re a nutball of the Chicken Little variety.

You make it sound like the folks at NASA are just sitting around saying things like, “Hey! Wouldn’t it be cool if we SMASHED a probe into a comet for no apparent reason? I bet that would make for a cool explosion! Sure we have no scientific basis for wanting to do this and we could possibly bring about the destruction of the known solar system in the process, but what the hell! It’ll be fun!”

It’s crap like this statement from you…

There is a plan behind everything, and there is nothing there that should be tampered with.

That lead me to think you’re a nutball. If we had adopted such thinking long ago you wouldn’t be reading this on your computer right now. No progress would be possible if we sat frozen in fear that any experimentation could result in our upsetting the “master plan” of whatever “designer” put things in place and bring about our eventual destruction at some unspecified future point in time.

But, hey, if it turns out this comet smashes into our planet tomorrow you can feel perfectly justified in saying, “I told you so.”

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elwedriddsche United States Posted on 07/06/2005 at 12:31 PM

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I’m pretty sure we could have a dramatic impact on our solar system if we really put some effort into it

No need. I recall reading about calculations to the effect that the solar system will lose a planet a couple billion years from now. Was it to be Mars?

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Badelaire United States Posted on 07/06/2005 at 02:26 PM

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After reading all the above, I must say the most disturbing part isn’t the crackpot ravings about ruining the balance within the Master Plan of the Universe.

It’s the complete ignorance of basic, bare-bones, high school level astronomy and physics.  Anyone who thinks that A) comets “make” stars, or B) comets are interstellar (or intergalactic) bodies, has no business even discussing the subject.

KPatrickGlover United States Posted on 07/06/2005 at 03:22 PM

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Okay, just finally got around to reading the thread and one comment by Mediator really stuck out....

Digression… science has already established the weight of a human soul to be 21 grams, but what I am looking forward to, is the day when science attempts to explain how, when and from where our souls are incarnated. The achievement of THAT would be seansational, and a task worthy of glory.

Not to put too fine a point on it and excuse me if I missed some major discovery but what the fuck are you babbling about, Mediator?

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Sam Park United States Posted on 07/06/2005 at 03:32 PM

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Chaos theory and the butterfly effect could show how small impacts could have large consequences.  However, here is a crackhead nut who thinks she deserves financial pay load for something she clearly does not have any remote claims.  Events and claims like these truly saddens and angers me, however, I can’t help but laugh that such scamming idiots exist.  It’s like me trying to sue the Russians for not building proper bathroom facilities, where the methane gases enter the atmosphere and thus impacting the clean air in California… hmmm my head hurts from those nasty farts and bull sh!t.

warbi United States Posted on 07/06/2005 at 04:26 PM

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What I like about fatalists is that there is some “Master Plan”, but any action taken by man that does not fall into their preconceived ideas of said plan, are against the plan.

Universe is not bingo. There is a plan behind everything

This would seem to imply that the scientists’ actions of sending a probe into the comet must have been part of the plan.  If there is a plan “for everything” then any and all of mankind’s actions fall within that plan, otherwise the plan is not “for everything”.  And if there isn’t a plan for everything, well… cheese
Brock United States Posted on 07/06/2005 at 06:35 PM

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See, this is the kind of discussion I wanted to have about time travel. I just don’t get it.
You guys SAY I’m pretty but when I ask you for a date, you suddenly have prior commitments.

I probed YOU. Where are MY fireworks?

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warbi United States Posted on 07/06/2005 at 07:25 PM

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Hehe, Brock, remember, it’s not the probe you use, but where you probe. tongue wink

decrepitoldfool United States Posted on 07/06/2005 at 10:24 PM

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I just read this thread and may have missed it, but suppose that comet was going to wobble around the solar system for the next 20 orbits and then smack into Earth.  Maybe hitting it with the copper washing machine nudged it just enough so now it won’t.

What a silly thing to worry about.  Comets run into stuff all the time, and stuff runs into them.  This time, we got it on camera so we can study it.  The information-yield may prove extremely valuable someday when we have to figure out how to steer some wayward comet away from home sweet home.

Besides, it was really cool… huh-huh.

David United States Posted on 07/07/2005 at 12:49 AM

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I don’t agree with the reasons she is suing, I do agree however that it was a very stupid or bad idea to slam a probe into a comet in space which has been floating around a specific orbit for years and years… Imagine if NASA didn’t know that the moon was important for our tides/system and they just blew half the moon up as a test saying “It’s just a stupid space rock! give me a break!” it would have an effect.. most likely a negative effect on our natural system. This “rock in space” may not look like much to the ignorant/un-educated mind but in time we may find out that every comet/asteroid has a gravitational effect which also effects our weather system and tides. Again, it was a very bad idea in my opinion to slam into something which has an orbit. Our solar system is much like an atom, it has a core/nucleus (our sun) and it has the surrounding planets, each planet has an effect on each other.. I imagine that one comet has a certain effect on all the rest of the system as well. People are dangerous, just look at how they tested the atomic bomb… they didn’t know for sure that it would stop, they thought it could go on and on and destroy all life on earth and yet they tested it anyways. -Davethewave

warbi United States Posted on 07/07/2005 at 02:22 AM

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Yes, of course the comet has interactions with the rest of the solar system including gravitational.  Gravitational force is relative to the mass of the object.  NASA’s estimation of the mass of Tempel 1 is 0.1 - 2.5 x 10(14) kg, the mass of the earth is about 6.0 x 10(24) kg, the mass of the moon is about 7.36 × 10(22) kg.  The gravitational field of the comet is many magnitudes smaller than the fields of either the moon or earth.
As for those who are worried about the orbit being changed, according to the NASA site the change is similar to a small pebble hitting an eighteen wheeler.  It furhther states that even this infinitesimal change in the orbit will be negated when Tempel 1’s normal orbit takes it through Jupiter’s gravitational field [mass=1.900 X 10(27) KG].

David United States Posted on 07/07/2005 at 02:48 AM

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Every little change is still a change, in regards to the atom idea.. according to “Nova” if the atom was slightly different in it’s calculated design nothing as you know it would exist.

warbi United States Posted on 07/07/2005 at 03:10 AM

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Yes, but what little change there is will be negated by the gravitational field of Jupiter.  In other words the effect of the probe will have no impact on the orbit of the comet once it passes Jupiter- none, nada, zilch.

The collision with comet 9P/Tempel 1 takes place near the comet’s perihelion point and at a relative velocity of 10.2 km/s. The 370 kg impactor will impart a very modest 0.0001 mm/s velocity change in the comet’s orbital motion and by so doing decrease the comet’s perihelion distance by 10 meters and decrease its orbital period by far less than a second of time. This is to be compared to a change of some 378 billion meters in the comet’s perihelion distance due to the passage by Jupiter in 2024. Because the comet is so much larger and more massive than the impactor, there will be practically no change in the comet’s orbital motion as a result of the Deep Impact collision. As is evident from the above Table, the changes imparted in the motion of comet Tempel 1 by Deep Impact are completely negligible when compared to the orbital changes on the comet due to periodic passages near the giant planet Jupiter.

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warbi United States Posted on 07/07/2005 at 03:13 AM

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The “abbove-table nac be found

… damned dyslexic typing!  lol The above table can… It also appears that I somehow added quote tags to that… bizarre.

Mediator Norway Posted on 07/07/2005 at 06:43 AM

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Les: I’m willing to bet the odds are pretty good that there are other lifeforms out there in a universe as big as this one and I’m also willing to bet that we’re not the most advanced species in existence.

Good. That makes me glad on your behalf. You are not a complete deniaball, and the two of us may still be talking. I just had to check. Meaning you believe that those technologically superior civilizations have “a bit” more than 40 years of space experience. Probably been able to move across galaxies for a long time. Probably knew about us ages ago. Probably monitoring us closely, as we develop and detonate our nuclear weapons. Under these dramatic circumstances, ever wonder why they do not pay us an “official” visit? Helping us, or taking over the business (like mankind traditionally has been doing when discovering “new land” controlled by technologically inferior inhabitants)?

Les: The Universe is Bingo?

“Do you think that the solar system is randomly organized?”

Les: No, I think it’s organized based on standard principles of physics.

Life wouldn’t exist at all without the energy provided by the sun and the gravitational pull of the moon causes the tides which have a direct influence on many life forms on this planet.

Good. So, like in molecular physics, removing one of the objects, may have dramatic consequences to us. Even a meteor. That is “we don’t know but why the hell risk it, as long as the benifit is not crucial to human race”.

Les: However the solar system and the objects floating around within it aren’t in anything near as fragile a balance as you seem to be suggesting.

YOU claim to KNOW this, when not even NASA knew the consequences of hitting this meteor. Why weren’t YOU in charge of this operation?

Les: You make it sound like the folks at NASA are just sitting around saying things like, “Hey! Wouldn’t it be cool if we SMASHED a probe into a comet for no apparent reason? I bet that would make for a cool explosion! Sure we have no scientific basis for wanting to do this and we could possibly bring about the destruction of the known solar system in the process, but what the hell! It’ll be fun!�

You start to sound like me. Nice going - keep it up! Except for “for no apparent reason”, this isn’t so far from the truth. They did not know the consistence of the comet, they did not know where the probe would strike down, hey for all they didnt know the comet could be mainly ice, or consist of several elements unknown to mankind reacting (expanding / shrinking / heating up / exploding) with the material of the probe. Don’t take me literally, I’m just trying to illustrate the fact that they had no idea what they were dealing with up there! Unknown factors in this very case might well be crucial to the project! And if that’s not a good reason to worry, then I don’t know what is.

Mediator: There is a plan behind everything, and there is nothing there that should be tampered with.


Les: That lead me to think you’re a nutball.

The fact that the solar system is not randomly organized, and that one therefore should not reorganize its elements, lead you to think that I am a nutball? Sounds like you are one too. I thought that you just said it was based on a standard principles of physics up there? I think I know where you are going, though… and the way you’re thinking, if Leonardo da Vinci were here, you’d probably shoot a hole in your other foot calling him a nutball aswell. Still standing?

Les: No progress would be possible if we sat frozen in fear that any experimentation could result in our upsetting the “master plan� of whatever “designer�

Science is a good thing, don’t get me wrong - but let’s concentrate on this specific matter. I believe there’s a difference between jerking off and tearing the whole head off. Have my word “crucial” not been sufficiently repeated? Should one approach crucial situations more carefully, maybe?

Les: But, hey, if it turns out this comet smashes into our planet tomorrow you can feel perfectly justified in saying, “I told you so.�

Chuckles… finally :o)

KPatrickGlover: Not to put too fine a point on it and excuse me if I missed some major discovery but what the fuck are you babbling about, Mediator?

This is the fuck I am talking about: The outcome of a project weighing dying patients in their bed pre and immediately post the point of death, in every case concluding with a weight loss of 21 grams (no matter patient size). Search the internet for more info. Btw what the fuck is your problem? Are you one of those fucked up fucks who don’t believe in souls?

warbi: This would seem to imply that the scientists’ actions of sending a probe into the comet must have been part of the plan.  If there is a plan “for everythingâ€? then any and all of mankind’s actions fall within that plan, otherwise the plan is not “for everythingâ€?.

True. From a spiritual perspective, what you’re saying could very well be the case. Just like I am here right now, giving you guys my opinions on the matter. But any plan, disregarding its size and spiritual content, may be terminated by free will. Let’s discuss this matter the day the theory of destiny strikes you. Until that, believe me, it’s a total waste of precious time.

NASA’s estimation of the mass of Tempel 1 is 0.1 - 2.5 x 10(14) kg

In my everyday work as a programmer’s I am well familiar with estimates, and what they’re worth considering accuracy. NASA did not know its consistence, hey not even the SURFACE density they had any idea how would be, how can one estimate mass out of that?

As for those who are worried about the orbit being changed, according to the NASA site the change is similar to a small pebble hitting an eighteen wheeler.

Lucky us. If that is the case.

It furhther states that even this infinitesimal change in the orbit will be negated when Tempel 1’s normal orbit takes it through Jupiter’s gravitational field [mass=1.900 X 10(27) KG].

Let’s hope they’re right. But your comment is - as an argument - just as solid as this one: “hey, turns out no WMD were found in Iraq - we should not have interferred in the first place”. It is the threat level, not the occational outcome, which is important.

Let’s also hope that they won’t attempt to nuke the moon next time.

decrepitoldfool United States Posted on 07/07/2005 at 06:44 AM

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David said: I do agree however that it was a very stupid or bad idea to slam a probe into a comet in space which has been floating around a specific orbit for years and years…

If you take two objects orbiting each other waaaaay out in intergalactic space, you might say they have a “specific orbit” that could be precisely calculated and can remain the same for millions of years.  This would be a two-body problem.

Raise the ante to three bodies, and things suddenly become too complex to figure.  This is called the “three-body problem.” The comet interacts gravitationally with several planets plus the sun, and those planets are interacting with each other to some extent.  I’m sure some of the more mathematically-inclined regulars could give us an idea how complex that is but the upshot is that the comet’s orbit is not fixed anyway, and will change just about every time.

I heard “mosquito hitting a jetliner” but “pebble hitting an 18-wheeler” sounds more ‘Merican, yep! Pour me some more black coffee and hand me my CAT hat!  ‘Got me a load of dishwashers to deliver by mornin’.  cool smirk

zilch Austria Posted on 07/07/2005 at 07:28 AM

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In other words the effect of the probe will have no impact on the orbit of the comet once it passes Jupiter- none, nada, zilch.

I beg your pardon, warbi.  I affect the orbits of comets all the time.  Why, just this morning I walked to the store, and with my mass of approximately one gazillionth (1/100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000) that of the Earth, deflected the orbit of Tempel I six gazillionths of a millimeter to the right, thus averting the collision that would have occurred one and a half gazillion years from now.  So be careful where you shop.

You will object that that’s way past the Universe’s bedtime anyway, but it’s the principle that counts, not grungy little “facts”.  Keeping the balance is the important thing, and if something sounds like a bad idea, it is a bad idea.

Oh, and Mediator:

Meaning you believe that those technologically superior civilizations have “a bit� more than 40 years of space experience. Probably been able to move across galaxies for a long time. Probably knew about us ages ago. Probably monitoring us closely, as we develop and detonate our nuclear weapons.

Uh, if there are civilizations capable of “moving across galaxies”, then I don’t imagine our nuclear weapons are any more interesting to them than a rubber ducky fart in a bathtub.

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Mediator Norway Posted on 07/07/2005 at 08:08 AM

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zilch: Uh, if there are civilizations capable of “moving across galaxies�, then I don’t imagine our nuclear weapons are any more interesting to them than a rubber ducky fart in a bathtub.

I’d say your comparison is quite fair. Nuking a planet to pieces versus asstermination of the zilch’ neighbourhood. They’re probably ass-essing you carefully ass we speak, so you better keep your ass shut for a while, till your threat level is downgraded to “harmlass”.

zilch Austria Posted on 07/07/2005 at 08:37 AM

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Actually, Mediator, they’re probably monitoring this conversation, so watch your own ass.  In fact, Les is one of them, or rather, he’s the “human” projection of this Blog, which is part of Zog.

But I’m not worried, because my thoughts, and yours too, are just eddies dancing from wave to wavetop in the Zogtrix, so it’s all just an illusion anyway.  Ta ta!  Toto too!

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