Rev. Jerry Falwell has died.

Posted by Les on Tuesday, May 15, 2007 at 06:28 PM. Read 3957 times. Tags: , , ,
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From the CNN news story:

(CNN)—The Rev. Jerry Falwell, the television minister whose 1979 founding of the Moral Majority galvanized American religious conservatives into a political force, died Tuesday at age 73.

Falwell was found unconscious and without a pulse in his office at Liberty University, the college he founded in Lynchburg, Virginia, said Ron Godwin, the school’s executive vice president.

Though paramedics tried to revive him at his office and en route to Lynchburg General Hospital, “Those very timely and very efficient and effective efforts were unsuccessful,” Godwin said.

Godwin said he had breakfast with Falwell Tuesday morning and said they talked about the future.

“He seemed to be in good spirits,” Godwin said.

Godwin said they finished breakfast about 9:50 a.m. ET and Falwell went into his office. He was found there about 11:30 a.m. ET.

The minister, who had a history of heart trouble, was pronounced dead of heart failure at 12:40 p.m. Tuesday, his doctor, Carl Moore, told reporters. He had been hospitalized twice in early 2005 with acute onset pulmonary edema, or congestive heart failure, and at one point was placed on a ventilator.

Moore said it was “a little early to speculate” on what caused Falwell’s death, but said he did have a heart condition.

I’ll admit that my first impulse is to break out in a rendition of “Ding Dong the Witch is Dead”, but I must be getting old because I honestly feel that wouldn’t be appropriate so long as Pat Robertson is still alive. I wouldn’t go far as to say that I hated the man, but he annoyed the shit out of me to no end and as such I’m not particularly upset that he’s shuffled off his mortal coil. While I can still sympathize with the people who did care about him over the sense of loss they must be feeling at the moment, it’s safe to say I’m not feeling that loss myself.

In the interest of trying to say at least one thing positive about this turn of events I’ll note that there’s one less person that’ll cause my blood pressure to rocket out of control in the future.

Update: The folks at Boing Boing linked to this entry at Voices of American Sexuality that collects some of Falwell’s stupidest comments which I thought I’d share here as a reminder of why the man annoyed the shit out of me:

  • “AIDS is not just God’s punishment for homosexuals; it is God’s punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals”
  • “It appears that America’s anti-Biblical feminist movement is at last dying, thank God, and is possibly being replaced by a Christ-centered men’s movement which may become the foundation for a desperately needed national spiritual awakening.”
  • “If you’re not a born-again Christian, you’re a failure as a human being.”
  • After the September 11 attacks Falwell said, “I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say ‘you helped this happen.”
  • “Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions”
  • “[Homosexuals are] brute beasts...part of a vile and satanic system [that] will be utterly annihilated, and there will be a celebration in heaven.”

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decrepitoldfool United States Posted on 05/16/2007 at 10:16 AM

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I don’t think nonviolence is weird; sometimes it’s the only “weapon” strong enough to break through prejudice. 

But Falwell’s death brings up the whole question of hatred.  In CS Lewis’ novel Perelandra the main character Ransom can only defeat evil when he allows himself to respond to his previously unacknowledged “purely lawful hatred” for the evil one.

Hate is a strong revulsion, and a determination to oppose.  It can, if not tempered by other values, explode into violence.  Is there an inconsistency in hating a hatemonger?  Falwell exploited popular prejudices to spread hate for millions of people.  Is it improper to hate him?

Hate and evil are distinct things, though they are often found together.  Is it wrong to hate evil?  Falwell certainly felt justified in doing so but the difference lay in how he defined “evil”. 

We all hate something or someone.  Jesus went after the money changers in the temple (and Falwell seemed oblivious to that irony).

itdontmatter United States Posted on 05/16/2007 at 10:17 AM

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Except possibly for his daughter, I don’t really care about Falwell’s family.  His wife tolerated his hatred and his two sons are running his homophobic college and fundy church.  His daughter is a surgeon.

Bahamat Great Britain (UK) Posted on 05/16/2007 at 10:49 AM

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DoF- I think hating hate is ok as its self terminating when it needs to be and aimed with good intentions, i think of it just as a motivator that highlights the need to address unfair hate and reminds me of my stance on that. Negativity can be a way of subconciously identifying the persons problem so you can perscribe what you percieve to be suitable psychological ‘medication’ for it

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Les United States Posted on 05/16/2007 at 10:59 AM

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I must say that…

I wonder if the Phelps family will picket Jerry’s funeral;

...the idea of Phelps picketing Falwell’s funeral has a delicious irony to it.

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elwedriddsche United States Posted on 05/16/2007 at 11:10 AM

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I don’t think nonviolence is weird

There’s a difference between nonviolence and “loving your enemy”.

Is it wrong to hate evil?

It’s foolish. It clouds your judgment and could get in the way of a clean kill (figuratively speaking).

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Webs United States Posted on 05/16/2007 at 11:22 AM

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The lack of the ability to feel a sense of empathy for others, no matter how far apart ideologically, well, you’ve lost a bit of best of what we can be as people in my opinion. I’m sorry to see it.

Well in that case Consi I guess you will be sending flowers to the family of the suicide bomber that killed a bunch of US troops yesterday right?  Or did I get what you wrong?  I guess your statement only applies to touted Christian assholes that die.

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Webs United States Posted on 05/16/2007 at 11:29 AM

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Read my above statement as:
“Or did I misinterpret what you wrote?”

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itdontmatter United States Posted on 05/16/2007 at 12:10 PM

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According to the godhatesfags website, Phelps and company ARE going to picket Falwell’s funeral.  HOT DAMN!

Sadie Jane United States Posted on 05/16/2007 at 12:23 PM

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DOF: Ah, yes; sympathy for the devil.  It’s a bit more than an “ideological difference.” Seriously, the man was evil.

Yes, evil.

100% agreed. I have absolutely no sympathy or empathy for this monster. This was the man who could do no better in his rabid zeal to malign homosexuality than to attack a stupid children’s show; he was the one who blamed the 9/11 attacks on just about anyone who didn’t think and act exactly as he did. The hate practically oozed from his pores. If only everyone of his ilk could disappear off the face of the planet.

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Webs United States Posted on 05/16/2007 at 03:58 PM

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Ok this is the funniest fucking thing, check out the Onion Link on Jerry Fallwell

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Neil United States Posted on 05/16/2007 at 04:44 PM

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I understand Consigliere’s point.  I ask myself, “Do I feel good about feeling good about this shitsack’s demise?”

The answer is no.  I wish it wasn’t this way.  But the man declared WAR on me.  Encouraged divisiveness and hatred every day of his adult life.  Scammed millions of gullible, scared mini-bigots for millions of dollars(dollars that were actually earned by someone)to further his cause of profitable hatred.  Jerry Falwell damned me to hell, and millions of people like me.  He encouraged people not to disagree with me, but to hate and shun me.  He has been an apologist not only for his hateful dogshit version of christianity, but for the murderous policies of the most greedy, amoral politicians since King Tut.  All under the umbrella of a book that he probably believed no more than I do.

Where does sympathy stop?  Am I inhuman if I refuse to feel sorry for this man and his family?  Fred Phelps?  Al Capone?  How much sympathy do you have for Arafat’s family, Consi?  Did you mourn the Ayatollah?  I bet you’re REAL worried about the fellings of his relatives, right?  Yeah, right.  Differences in degree, not kind, and only because he couldn’t get away with it.

Bottom line-the man declared war on me, my friends, and the secular nature of our government that has, so far, prevented shitbags like him from actually enforcing their bigotry through law. As far as his family goes, I feel for any children that may have lost a kindly grandpa.  That’s it.  Any adults can be adult enough to accept the fact that they are also profiting from another’s pain.  I have assholes in my family too, and I expect no flowers or tears from those that they have shit on. 

Of course, even if I believed in Hell, I wouldn’t wish him there-which is INFINITELY more respect and sympathy than he or his relatives ever gave.

Science Goddess United States Posted on 05/16/2007 at 06:57 PM

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Go on over to Pharyngula for a movie of Christopher Hitchens completely SHREDDING Jerry Falwell.

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elwedriddsche United States Posted on 05/16/2007 at 07:01 PM

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Of course, even if I believed in Hell, I wouldn’t wish him there

You’ll be relieved to know that according to Phelps, that’s exactly where Falwell is heading—among other reasons for being too conciliatory towards gays.

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Neil United States Posted on 05/16/2007 at 07:06 PM

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I apologize for the multiple and verbose comments, as I have already made my position clear-but this memory came into my mind and seems appropriate.

The whole issue of “sympathy for the devil” that
I’ve engaged in here reminds me of a dinner I had with a good friend’s family a few years back- in the late 90’s, if I recall correctly. 

My friend’s family are all christians of a fairly conservative bent for California, but generally good, live and let live kind of people.  Once in a while the old Texas style “love it or leave it” attitude would come out but really not too much.  Fairly tolerant for bible-believers, I always thought. But then again I never mentioned, except to my friend in confidence, that I wasn’t on quite the same page.  It just never seemed to matter at the time, and I was still a sort-of liberal christian anyway.
We were bbq-ing some steaks and my friend’s mom was reading the paper.  As we started to eat, she continued reading, until she got to a sidebar in the national news section.  She let out a half-laugh and told us the news. 
The article was about the O’Hair family.  I barely knew the name at the time, but they were more familiar, being both fans of school prayer and ex-Texans.  The gist of the article was that while no bodies had been found, police were certain that the O’Hairs were the victims of foul play, robbed and killed.

The three of them had a nice chuckle over that.
A whole family robbed and murdered.  They laughed and ate some more steak, put a little sour cream on their potatoes.  The general sentiment, from Mother, Father, and Son, was “Well that’s what you get, telling people there is no God!”

To their credit, the bondage and dismemberment hadn’t been discovered yet-but I know for a fact they believed both that there is a hell, and that people like the O’Hair’s go there.

I have never since felt a chill up my spine as cold as I felt at that moment.

So I guess you’re right after all, Consigliere.  I shouldn’t be so gleeful at the natural passing of an overpriveleged hatemonger.  It’s a slippery slope, and I could end up being a christian again.

Bahamat Great Britain (UK) Posted on 05/16/2007 at 07:30 PM

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Generaly I base sympathy on the state of mind something leaves people in, that way regardles of past they can be forgiven if they have genuinely changed, which you can tell sometimes. I respect people for when they show strength(bravery) in the face of a situation if sympathy isnt needed and they want to get back on feet

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Consigliere United States Posted on 05/16/2007 at 09:34 PM

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“Or did I misinterpret what you wrote?”

You did.

The hate practically oozed from his pores.

Two negatives only make a positive in some class that I barely understood.

I have absolutely no sympathy or empathy for this monster

I actually wasn’t encouraging sympathy or empathy for him.  I was encouraging empathy for his family and behavior that would accord with that.

But the man declared WAR on me.  Encouraged divisiveness and hatred every day of his adult life.  Scammed millions of gullible, scared mini-bigots for millions of dollars(dollars that were actually earned by someone)to further his cause of profitable hatred.  Jerry Falwell damned me to hell, and millions of people like me.  He encouraged people not to disagree with me, but to hate and shun me.

In this diatribe, I fail to see how he declared WAR on you or how he could be someone’s enemy.  I have not read about any bullets fired or stab wounds from a bayonet.  Nothing of the sort do I read.  What I do read is that there was a disagreement about your personal lifestyle choices from which you took umbrage.  I thought we were all in favor of the freedom to make up our own minds about what we liked and what we didn’t, even if we engage in dumbassery in the process?  And the freedom to speak about it as well?

I’ve only to ask you why you cared so much about what someone you viewed as a dumbass said?  Simply put, I have no idea why you needed his approval.

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LuckyJohn19 Australia Posted on 05/16/2007 at 09:41 PM

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According to the godhatesfags website, Phelps and company ARE going to picket Falwell’s funeral.

Cool; how could one pick the lesser of two evils between those two packs of hyenas (no offence to those soft and cuddly hyenas)?
I suppose we (?) could start a third crowd and yell Hooray and Boo alternatively ... our heads moving left and right like we were at a tennis match.

Neil: I could end up being a christian again

The only way I’d ever become any sorta theist is if ‘they’ passed a law that all atheists would hang at dawn. I don’t like being tied up and I’m not that proud or committed to my atheism nor am I that apathetic about my life.
I’d start blubbering in tongues quick smart. Hallelujah! Praise Jaysus!

I do know that loving your enemy is more than a tad weird in my book.

I’ve come up with a theory about that one - it could be a stretch but stay with me a moment.
Let’s pretend for a moment Jesus existed and said: Love your enemy.
This is the tricky part - I reckon (if he existed) when he was cruising round The East he read The Art of War by Sun Tzu and there’s a bit in there where Sun or is it Tzu (?) says: Know your enemy.
Remember in the bible where ‘To Know’ equates to ‘To Fuck’?
I’m sure you’ll all manage to work out that Jesus really meant: Fuck your enemies.
Ahh, there’s some logic in there somewhere and if there isn’t I enjoyed saying that fucking fuck word again anyway.  smile

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Neil United States Posted on 05/16/2007 at 10:07 PM

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Consi, you have a point.  There is, in fact, a difference between believing that someone should be killed (which is quite clear from his words)and killing them yourself.  The difference is that it makes him either a dangerous liar, a shameless hypocrite, or a coward.  Your choice.
Hell, have all three!

The argument can be made however, that he did more than state a position.  He used the bigotries of gullible, small minded people to gather money and influence, with which he waged a propaganda campaign that included ever growing violent rhetoric of God’s justice and what “should” and “will” happen to these sinners “when that time comes.” Knowing all the while that stoking these fires gets people hurt and killed even here in the good old land of the free.  So you are still right-he didn’t have the balls to be a warlord and get his own hands dirty.

He was a lot more like a terrorist.

The next time the president of Iran says that America or Isreal is evil and Allah will destroy us, remember; he’s just disagreeing with our lifestyle.  Don’t take umbrage.

Oh and for the record I’m not gay.  Just another godless liberal that knows the difference between disagreeing and disenfranchising.  Sorry I caused 9/11.

decrepitoldfool United States Posted on 05/16/2007 at 10:23 PM

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Wars are waged in many ways.  Long before violence breaks out, someone has to demonize the unpopular group, suggest they are responsible for the country’s troubles, state that God Himself is against them, and infer that simply refraining from violence against them is itself an act of extraordinary restraint and kindness.

I couldn’t find where Neal suggested Falwell be censored, only that Falwell was very, very wrong and that people were foolish and wrong for following him.

decrepitoldfool United States Posted on 05/16/2007 at 10:36 PM

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Ed over at Dispatches has a discussion going on about the MRC on anti-Falwell statements.  It seems that some people are just shocked - shocked! - that anyone would say such things about such a godly man.

But hey, Falwell wasn’t all bad; at least he was always a strong supporter of Dr. King.  Wait, no he wasn’t.

Consigliere United States Posted on 05/16/2007 at 11:43 PM

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Long before violence breaks out, someone has to demonize the...group, suggest they are responsible for the country’s troubles,...and infer that simply refraining from violence against them is itself an act of extraordinary restraint and kindness.

Couldn’t agree more here DOF.  Couldn’t agree more.
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KPatrickGlover United States Posted on 05/17/2007 at 12:00 AM

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Somebody let me know where they end up burying this prick so I can stop by some day and take a piss on his grave, you know, to pay my respects.....

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Patness Canada Posted on 05/17/2007 at 01:18 AM

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You’ll find no sadness from me. His family and other supporters lost someone, one way or the other; but I had no connect with his family in any meaningful sense. My concern with him would be only for his politics, and the only feelings I muster are driven by that. Censure, as a tax of eminence.

May his memory fade swiftly.

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timmeh United States Posted on 05/17/2007 at 06:11 AM

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I would be sympathetic to his family if it we’re not for the great hatred he preached. However, at a certain point the good of someone dieing far out ways the bad. One question for everyone, how many of you feel bad for Hitlers family? I know I don’t. So good riddance and I hope the rest of the hate mongering bastards like him are soon to follow.

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Weapon of Mass Disturbance United States Posted on 05/17/2007 at 11:23 AM

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Stupid Evil Bastard would be a good label for old Jerry.

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