Rev. Jerry Falwell has died.

Posted by Les on Tuesday, May 15, 2007 at 06:28 PM. Read 4291 times. Tags: , , ,
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From the CNN news story:

(CNN)—The Rev. Jerry Falwell, the television minister whose 1979 founding of the Moral Majority galvanized American religious conservatives into a political force, died Tuesday at age 73.

Falwell was found unconscious and without a pulse in his office at Liberty University, the college he founded in Lynchburg, Virginia, said Ron Godwin, the school’s executive vice president.

Though paramedics tried to revive him at his office and en route to Lynchburg General Hospital, “Those very timely and very efficient and effective efforts were unsuccessful,” Godwin said.

Godwin said he had breakfast with Falwell Tuesday morning and said they talked about the future.

“He seemed to be in good spirits,” Godwin said.

Godwin said they finished breakfast about 9:50 a.m. ET and Falwell went into his office. He was found there about 11:30 a.m. ET.

The minister, who had a history of heart trouble, was pronounced dead of heart failure at 12:40 p.m. Tuesday, his doctor, Carl Moore, told reporters. He had been hospitalized twice in early 2005 with acute onset pulmonary edema, or congestive heart failure, and at one point was placed on a ventilator.

Moore said it was “a little early to speculate” on what caused Falwell’s death, but said he did have a heart condition.

I’ll admit that my first impulse is to break out in a rendition of “Ding Dong the Witch is Dead”, but I must be getting old because I honestly feel that wouldn’t be appropriate so long as Pat Robertson is still alive. I wouldn’t go far as to say that I hated the man, but he annoyed the shit out of me to no end and as such I’m not particularly upset that he’s shuffled off his mortal coil. While I can still sympathize with the people who did care about him over the sense of loss they must be feeling at the moment, it’s safe to say I’m not feeling that loss myself.

In the interest of trying to say at least one thing positive about this turn of events I’ll note that there’s one less person that’ll cause my blood pressure to rocket out of control in the future.

Update: The folks at Boing Boing linked to this entry at Voices of American Sexuality that collects some of Falwell’s stupidest comments which I thought I’d share here as a reminder of why the man annoyed the shit out of me:

  • “AIDS is not just God’s punishment for homosexuals; it is God’s punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals”
  • “It appears that America’s anti-Biblical feminist movement is at last dying, thank God, and is possibly being replaced by a Christ-centered men’s movement which may become the foundation for a desperately needed national spiritual awakening.”
  • “If you’re not a born-again Christian, you’re a failure as a human being.”
  • After the September 11 attacks Falwell said, “I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say ‘you helped this happen.”
  • “Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions”
  • “[Homosexuals are] brute beasts...part of a vile and satanic system [that] will be utterly annihilated, and there will be a celebration in heaven.”

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Sadie Jane United States Posted on 05/15/2007 at 06:50 PM

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And good riddance!

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Bahamat Great Britain (UK) Posted on 05/15/2007 at 07:02 PM

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He sounded like a true asshole who made hell for vulnerable xians, i’d expect those close enough might be feeling some relief behind their mourning mask and feel wrong for it, but feelings of guilt might make them think at least (might kick them off the bandwagon)

I also thought he was a little loopy to be meeting with ET

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elwedriddsche United States Posted on 05/15/2007 at 07:06 PM

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It shouldn’t have happened to a nicer guy, but there are plenty of even worse people in the queue.

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elwedriddsche United States Posted on 05/15/2007 at 07:12 PM

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Oh, and not to forget about this:

McCain ‘first out of the gate with Falwell condolences.’

“Dr. Falwell was a man of distinguished accomplishment who devoted his life to serving his faith and country.”

*retch*

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decrepitoldfool United States Posted on 05/15/2007 at 07:14 PM

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You’d think McCain would stop sucking up to Falwell now.

LuckyJohn19 Australia Posted on 05/15/2007 at 07:35 PM

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Falwell was found unconscious and without a pulse

Not often a good sign but here’re an exception.

Get ready for all the fake outpourings of grief and accolades describing him as the 2nd coming.
The unfortunate Larry Flynt is now down one target.
“Labor unions should study and read the Bible instead of asking for more money. When people get right with God, they are better workers.”
“I hope to see the day when, as in the early days of our country, we don’t have public schools. The churches will have taken them over again and Christians will be running them.”
That was fun – I wonder when Billy Graham will get the call.  LOL

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LuckyJohn19 Australia Posted on 05/15/2007 at 07:36 PM

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but here’re an exception

HERE’S an exception.

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Bahamat Great Britain (UK) Posted on 05/15/2007 at 07:54 PM

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As soon as any event happens oppertunistic power hungry people like those LJ pointed out (like dead rev) make a grab, i think the top of the xian tree is where true evil lies, clueless xians are used like cannon fodder in an asshat’s battle, their lives controled simply to make them a pawn in a political game

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elwedriddsche United States Posted on 05/15/2007 at 07:56 PM

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Anybody remember this gem?

Falwelling Tracey…
Author Unknown

NOTE: This story contains NONE of the Seven Dirty Words You
Can’t Say On The Net.

Tracey came home from work in a lousy mood. She knocked her hat off the the rack when she hung up her coat. This wouldn’t normally have upset her, but today she yelled “Oh, gingrich!”, picked up the hat, and threw it into a corner.

“Bad day, darlin’?” I asked.

“Oh, I’m just all robertsoned-off about this falwelling Communications Decency Act,” she said.

“Refresh my memory,” I asked. She’d mentioned it before, but I hadn’t paid much attention. She’s the net.junkie in the family.

“It makes it a Federal crime to say anything ‘indecent’ where a minor might see it, which of course includes the whole Net! And oh-by-the-way one thing that’s indecent is any information about abortion.”

“Bullgingrich!” I exclaimed, “They can’t do that!”

“Well, they did,” she scowled, “Really slimy, too; they snuck it in as an obscure rider on a huge bill. Most of them didn’t even know what they were voting for. And the President, that spineless clinton, signed it in a big falwelling ceremony. Grrrr!” She was shaking with indignation.

“They’d never enforce anything like that,” I assured her.

“Yeah, unless they want to get you for some other reason, or the local D.A. doesn’t like you, or you’re some uppity black or leftist who’s robertsoned-off the government, or...”

I drew her into my lap where I was sitting on the chair by the bed. “Relax, honey; something like that, you KNOW they’ll find it unconstitutional.”

“God, I hope so,” she breathed. But she did relax a bit. I ran my hands softly over her body. She has a luscious figure; I gently stroked her firm senators through her thin bra.

Suddenly she put her arms around my neck, and kissed me long and hot and deeply. Then she put her lips by my ear, and whispered “Let’s falwell.” I smiled, “Right now?” “Yes, right now, right here,” she moaned, running her hands over my body, and unbottoning my shirt. “I need to be reminded that sex is good, and not all men are impotent old gingrich-heads.” I could feel my exon swelling in my pants. Tracey and I kissed again, long and hard. She stroked my chest, and I squeezed her senators. She stood for a moment and slipped off her panties, then slipped into my lap again and kissed me hotly, probing my mouth with her tongue. I ran my hands up the smooth skin of her thighs, towards her open clinton. She moaned and spread her legs wider, and I gently stroked and pressed her. She toyed with my nipples with one hand, and moved the other one over my crotch, tracing the outline of my aching exon. She unzipped my pants, and took the hot skin in her hands, stroking me as I rubbed her clinton.

“Oh, I want you!” she gasped. She slid down between my knees and took my exon quickly into her mouth. In a moment, I was gasping and writhing, my exon rock-hard, her lips caressing every ridge of skin. I drew her up and quickly tore off her blouse and bra; her lovely firm senators bobbed before me, and I took them in my hands, kissing and licking the beautiful sensitive tips. She threw back her head and moaned. I slid her skirt up around her hips and she pushed herself forward into my lap; my exon slid easily into her wet open clinton. “Oh, God!” she yelled, “falwell me, fallwell me hard!”

She rocked in my lap, her clinton moving sweetly up and down over my throbbing exon. With every stroke, new waves of unbearable pleasure ran through us. We were on another and purer plain, far from the slimy machinations of the doles and gingrich-heads in Washington. “I’m close!” I breathed, between gasps. She smiled and bounced, and with a few strong and well-timed thrusts she brought us both off, my exon exploding sweetly in her clinton. We hugged and sighed, and collasped off the chair and onto the bed. After awhile, I got up to take a robertson. When I came back from the bathroom, she was stretched out full-length on the bed, her senators pointed gorgeously at the ceiling, the hairs of her clinton gleaming with our juices. My exon was hardening again, just looking at her. I got back onto the bed. “Feeling better, hon?” I asked. She smilled and nodded. Then she giggled.

“What’s funny?”

“Oh, in one of the newsgroups someone suggested that we should start to use some of the politicians’ names instead of the usual naughty words.”

“You mean like say ‘gingrich’ instead of ‘gingrich’?” I asked.

“Yeah,” she said, still laughing, “and ‘falwell’ instead of ‘falwell’.” Then she reached up to me. “And speaking of falwelling...” She drew me down to her, and soon my exon was again buried between her legs, deep in her eager clinton.

As we falwelled, slowly and lovingly this time, we talked. “Wouldn’t that—Ahhhh—wouldn’t that sound kind of—Ohhh—silly?” I suggested.

“You mean using—ahh! ahh! slowly slowly love—using their names instead of dirty words?” My exon swelled larger and larger inside her, and our breathing became heavier and more desperate. I rolled the tips of her left senator between two fingers, and she arched her back. “I don’ know,” she whispered, “I think it’d—ahhhhhhhh!—it’d be pretty funny. Oh GOD, oh sweet, oh falwell me, falwell me now!”

And I did.

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Bog Brother United States Posted on 05/15/2007 at 07:57 PM

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Totally changing the subject here, but I think everyone needs to watch this video

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Drake United States Posted on 05/15/2007 at 08:52 PM

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On the humanity aspect of this issue, it is always sad when someone dies. IN some cases it is less sad for some, but sadder for others.

The only thing that kept going through my mind was how Jerry and his followers claim to be so righteous and good, yet spew forth such a hateful message. Their position on AIDS to guiding America into future is so full of hate, bigotry, and anger that I doubt that Jesus would even consider these people followers of his teachings.

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Bahamat Great Britain (UK) Posted on 05/15/2007 at 09:25 PM

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Drake - agreed, I see them as antagonists, and they can cause misguidance, but those who will be misguided, will inevitably be elsewhere if not that way, it all depends on what causes the least harm i guess

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Consigliere United States Posted on 05/15/2007 at 10:25 PM

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Was not a fan of Falweel.  Good that he died? I wish upon nobody’s family that they lose a loved one. I would think that would be the human reaction, but I guess not.

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Fall Downed United States Posted on 05/15/2007 at 10:32 PM

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God 1, Jerry 0

Bog Brother United States Posted on 05/15/2007 at 10:51 PM

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I wish upon nobody’s family that they lose a loved one. I would think that would be the human reaction, but I guess not.

Consi, are you absolutely sure that anyone here has wished suffering on Falwell’s family?  I think it’s also quite human to be able to separate the public figure of Falwell that we are all familiar with and many of us found so repulsive from his personal (and private) life.  The fact is, he was extremely confrontational, divisive, and as many quotes above show, not exactly a very “human” figure. 

That of course was Falwell in public.  Who knows?  Maybe he wasn’t such a prick in private.  Even so, he definitely wanted the world to see him that way, why else have such a public facing?

Personally I don’t give two squats about Falwell the man, aside from the image he presented, and the damage he did with that image. I think it’s perfectly rational to feel certain ways about a public figure’s image and feel total indifference toward the “real” person, his family or otherwise.

I’m relieved that his image is no longer going to be able to create further damage on credulous and emotionally vulnerable people. No doubt someone else will step up to fill in the gap, but at least Falwell the entertainer won’t be able to do any of that anymore (sadly though, videotapes last a long time).

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Neil United States Posted on 05/15/2007 at 10:59 PM

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Sorry to jump the gun in a previous thread.

Yeah, the Human Reaction.  Bullshit!  The man was a menace to millions. I have about as much sympathy for his adult family members as I have for the Gotti widow and her spawn.  They are leeches that bleed people through ignorance and bigotry and live quite well on the slurry.

Falwell made it clear,in public, regularly, that people like myself were not to be trusted, not fit for office, that we are evil and best ignored or eliminated.  And he made millions doing it, as well as influencing our supposedly secular government.  Fuck ‘em all!  If they want my sympathy they can give back every bit of money made on a religious pretext and renounce the bigoted ramblings of their relative.

Consigliere United States Posted on 05/16/2007 at 12:15 AM

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Yeah, the Human Reaction.  Bullshit!....Fuck ‘em all!

The lack of the ability to feel a sense of empathy for others, no matter how far apart ideologically, well, you’ve lost a bit of best of what we can be as people in my opinion. I’m sorry to see it.
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decrepitoldfool United States Posted on 05/16/2007 at 12:46 AM

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Ah, yes; sympathy for the devil.  It’s a bit more than an “ideological difference.” Seriously, the man was evil. 

Yes, evil.

Les United States Posted on 05/16/2007 at 01:05 AM

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Considering some of the things Consi has said in the past here on SEB, I find it somewhat ironic he would bemoan an apparent lack of empathy on the part of anyone else. Granted it’s difficult to truly get to know someone in a limited forum such as this, but empathic isn’t one of the words I’d use to describe Consi based on his comments here.

As I said previously, I can sympathize with Falwell’s surviving relatives in as much as they have lost someone they care about, but I’m not upset at the passing of the man himself. I think his influence in politics and religion did more harm than good.

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elwedriddsche United States Posted on 05/16/2007 at 01:54 AM

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What TAFKA, DOF, and Les said.

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whitebloodoftheheavens United States Posted on 05/16/2007 at 02:11 AM

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Wow, i never knew of the sonnofabitch, but after reading his stuff, i hope hes warming a spot for me in hell, where him and his kindred and kind deserve to be. 

The day Pat Robertson dies is the day I will start smiling needlessly, and reminding everyone that the world is now a better place for people with a brain.

And yes, I imagine theres a tragic side to this coin, about how his family feels for his loss, but in recent days, im beginning to shed cares about those who, in my eyes, dont deserve it.  If they gave a damn about him and the world we live in, they would have stopped his misanthropic ignorance-inspiring bullshit from spewing from his mouth, pulled him down from his ivory tower, and had him reflect on the hate he perpetuates, and see the conflict he stirs, and turned him on a more peaceful and serene road. 

Let the body burn, let the family mourn, let the sheep look for another shepard.  Ultimately, the world becomes a slightly better place in the wake of this deluded charlatain’s death.

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zilch Austria Posted on 05/16/2007 at 05:06 AM

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I’ve already posted this over at dof, and I’m going to be lazy and just repeat it here.

This is indeed a moral pickle. What is more precious than a life?  If I rejoice at someone’s death, isn’t that thumbing my nose at those who are grieving?  Doesn’t everyone deserve respect at the end, even if we disagree with them?

On the other hand, this man was scum, and the world is a better place without him:  there’s more life and hope and love without him.  So shouldn’t I rejoice?

I suppose I could say, as many others have around the net, that I feel sorry for Falwell as a private person, and sympathize with those who loved him, but rejoice that the public person who spread hatred is dead.  But is there any way to really separate the two Falwells that is not just semantic hairsplitting?

What the fuck.  Falwell can’t see me now, so his feelings won’t be hurt.  Nothing personal against those who feel loss at his passing- they have my sympathy- but a great shadow has departed, and I’m going to do a little dance.

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Bahamat Great Britain (UK) Posted on 05/16/2007 at 06:55 AM

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whitebloodoftheheavens: If they gave a damn about him and the world we live in, they would have stopped his misanthropic ignorance-inspiring bullshit from spewing from his mouth, pulled him down from his ivory tower, and had him reflect on the hate he perpetuates, and see the conflict he stirs, and turned him on a more peaceful and serene road

Assuming they weren’t beaten into submission, I wouldn’t like to be that close to someone like that, it’s possible they tried to get away from him even. Also 100% closed minds cannot be opened because they reject any attempt to do so, you can only open the mind of someone if you find a weak spot that will force them to think, even then it takes some diplomatic skill to evade their use of negativity to try to keep their mind closed

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LuckyJohn19 Australia Posted on 05/16/2007 at 08:05 AM

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Falwell can’t see me now, so his feelings won’t be hurt.

Just for a change I’m not going to mince my words: I wish he was alive so his feelings were hurt at least half as much as he hurt the people HE hurt. The ‘man’ was cunt of the first order. Consi’s a SNAG in comparison.

Ding dong the bitch is dead. *tears of laughter*
You know how these deaths often happen in threes?
I wonder if we can get a trifecta going? Billy must be getting close to just Dropping off his pedestal and when are one of Pat’s fuckin femurs gonna break and stab him in that thing medicos would refer to as a heart? Then again, Benny’s toupee might blow under a bus.
Ah … we can dream.

I wonder if the Phelps family will picket Jerry’s funeral; the funeral and the picket lines are gonna be definite crowd pullers seen all round the world on FOX for daze’ndaze’ndaze. There’ll be T-shirts on sale: I saw Jerry on his way to hell; I saw Jerry on the way to heaven – no I didn’t – I was joking; I saw Jerry become grounded; C’mon down … Benny, Pat and Billy; Who turned the lights out? Does that smell like burning flesh to you? Where have all the harp sounds gone? Father, why hast thou forsaken me?
I gotta stop - life isn’t supposed to be this much fun.  LOL

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elwedriddsche United States Posted on 05/16/2007 at 09:00 AM

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Gay opponents of Jerry Falwell send condolences

Soulforce, a taskforce of lesbian and gay people, has demonstrated its commitment to non-violence and love of enemies by sending condolences to the family, colleague and friends of Jerry Falwell, who died yesterday.

I don’t know if Falwell even has a family, I don’t know if they’re as rabidly homophobic as he was, but I do know that loving your enemy is more than a tad weird in my book.

(zilch) But is there any way to really separate the two Falwells that is not just semantic hairsplitting?

Not at all. I’m not separating the two Falwells, I’m separating a bigoted and evil person from his family (if he has any).

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