Researchers prove Astrology is complete rubbish, piss off Astrologers world-wide.

Posted by Les on Friday, August 22, 2003 at 08:30 AM. Read 2784 times. Tags:
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You’d think something like the following would be the proverbial stake-in-the-heart that kills something as silly as belief in Astrology, but like most silly beliefs it’ll continue on regardless.

Telegraph | News | Astrologers fail to predict proof they are wrong

For several decades, researchers tracked more than 2,000 people - most of them born within minutes of each other. According to astrology, the subject should have had very similar traits.

The babies were originally recruited as part of a medical study begun in London in 1958 into how the circumstances of birth can affect future health. More than 2,000 babies born in early March that year were registered and their development monitored at regular intervals.

Researchers looked at more than 100 different characteristics, including occupation, anxiety levels, marital status, aggressiveness, sociability, IQ levels and ability in art, sport, mathematics and reading - all of which astrologers claim can be gauged from birth charts.

The scientists failed to find any evidence of similarities between the “time twins”, however. They reported in the current issue of the Journal of Consciousness Studies: “The test conditions could hardly have been more conducive to success . . . but the results are uniformly negative.”

Analysis of the research was carried out by Geoffrey Dean, a scientist and former astrologer based in Perth, Australia, and Ivan Kelly, a psychologist at the University of Saskatchewan, Canada.

Dr Dean said the results undermined the claims of astrologers, who typically work with birth data far less precise than that used in the study. “They sometimes argue that times of birth just a minute apart can make all the difference by altering what they call the ‘house cusps’,” he said. “But in their work, they are happy to take whatever time they can get from a client.”

The findings caused alarm and anger in astrological circles yesterday. Roy Gillett, the president of the Astrological Association of Great Britain, said the study’s findings should be treated “with extreme caution” and accused Dr Dean of seeking to “discredit astrology”.

Dr. Dean doesn’t have to discredit astrology as the facts of the study do that on their own. Not that it should take such a detailed study to convince people that Astrology is phonier than a wooden nickle. Go to two different Astrologers and have them analyze you and you’ll get two different results.

The astrologers, however, have good reason to be alarmed. Astrology as a business rakes in millions of dollars every year and belief in this claptrap has been growing along with belief in other forms of pseudo-science. It probably doesn’t help that Dr. Dean is a former astrologer himself and as such is viewed as something of a traitor to the cause. So people will go on believing this nonsense and the astrologers will continue to rake in the cash by peddling platitudes.

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etherian United States Posted on 08/22/2003 at 04:06 PM

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I don’t believe in astrology.  One look at a chart that one did for my hubby, supposedly a Leo, was enough research for me.  However, there is a local astrologer here who once worked as an Astrological Business Consultant for several large firms in Japan.  To me, she is a cut above what you might find at the fairgrounds.  She not only goes by the minute, but just about to the second on your birth.  If you don’t have that info, she doesn’t do a reading for you.  What I like most about her is that her ADVICE is practical and not at all filled with mumbo-jumbo magic.  She’s also very blunt about the fact that although the stars can influence your future, only YOU can decide where you’re going to step.

Tony Kehoe Japan Posted on 09/28/2003 at 11:58 PM

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I don’t believe in astrology, but us Scorpios are skeptical like that. wink

Danita Herrera United States Posted on 10/04/2003 at 03:53 PM

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Astrology is very accurate.  Anyone who does not beleive it ought to go to http://www.alabe.com and do their chart, you need your time (exact!!!!!) and place of birth.

You can’t knock it till you’ve tried it.  The study referenced here looks highly innaccurate, was any attention paid to the exact time of the births?  It sounds like they grouped them all together.  Everyone who knows ANYTHING about astrology knows that twins are very different, because they are born at different times.  Also, people make their own choices in life, but may be surprised to see that also reflected by certain transits.

If the moon can pull our oceans, why can’t the planets pull our inner strings???

Les United States Posted on 10/04/2003 at 05:40 PM

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Because it’s complete and total nonsense. Give it the fuck up. What is up with all you people who keep showing up and saying “it really does work” without anything to back your statements up?

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Vermin Macnabb United States Posted on 10/04/2003 at 06:44 PM

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If the planets could “pull our inerstrings” then so could the doctor, the nurse the wall, the lights, etc.  All these things have a far greater gravitational influence on a baby being born than the nearest planet, star, comet, etc.  Of course, if you knew that you would probably know something about physics, and you wouldn’t believe in astrology.  The real reason belief in astrology is so stupid is that it’s not based on anything.  The fact that nobody can replicate any of the results means that no one could have figured out how the system works in the first place. Not to mention the fact that if the system ever did work it wold be thousands of years out of date.

c United States Posted on 10/13/2003 at 04:17 PM

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If the moon can pull our oceans, why can’t the planets pull our inner strings???

because...that is pure science, determined by factors such as the rotation of the earth. the moon and the ocean are not related just because we say so...unlike some things that you are referring to.

David Wade United States Posted on 12/30/2003 at 08:24 PM

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In my expeirence, astrology is to the star children what prayer is to a bible thumper.. its something you rely or blame, when either you dont care , or dont feel like physically lifting a finger, or find you self in some way helpess.. can i get an amen?  dw

if some broken matter from an exploded mass rules our destiny we better jump f’n ship....

Moleman2099 United States Posted on 05/11/2004 at 01:44 AM

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I agree that Astrology is complete bullshit.  If there were a test that would ask you different questions about yourself and then guess what sign you are, it would show how obviously incorrect it all is.  I searched vigorously online to find a site that would provide a test and then give your sign according to the answers given, but to no avail.  I wonder why…

You all might find this enjoyable:

http://www.maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=astrology

Spocko United States Posted on 05/11/2004 at 11:59 AM

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I pulled my inner string once.

Nitin Raj Great Britain (UK) Posted on 05/13/2004 at 04:09 AM

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A while ago there was a news “Astrology is Rubbish, not Science”. As a believer of Astrology it was very disturbing. As well as in India, the govt. had included Astrology as a subject of science, however, it was challenged by some professors in the supreme court of India and was not included as a sujbect of science.

However, I read a news on http://internationalreporter.net/scripts/linesDetails.asp?id=156 and was very satisfied that Astrology has been included as a subject of Science and will be taught in Indian Universities.

There was another article that proved Astrology is an offshoot of Astronomy i.e.,
http://internationalreporter.net/scripts/headDetails.asp?id=123

I hope you would let the world knows what Astrology is Science and not Rubbish.

Ciao

Les United States Posted on 05/13/2004 at 05:57 AM

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Sorry to disappoint you, Nitin, but Astrology is complete and total rubbish. There’s nothing at all scientific about it.

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Neeta India Posted on 06/11/2004 at 07:42 AM

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My experience has been that astrologers can easily predict the general trends in your life. However, in the west there is an undue obsession with your Sun sign. If the Sun is in Aries, then you have only Arian habits - that is totally incorrect. It matters equally what sign yiur Moon is in, your Jupiter is in, your Mars is in and so on. If your sun is inAries and three other planets are in taurus, you are bound to have Taurean traits. The Vedic Dasha system is a very, very powerful predictive tool. Why it works, nobody knows. But work it does.

elwedriddsche United States Posted on 06/11/2004 at 10:00 AM

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My experience has been that astrologers can easily predict the general trends in your life.

It’s no big deal to easily predict the general trends in anybody’s life. The trick is to make specific and accurate predictions about individuals beyond what a shrewd cold reader can do.

Cold (and warm) readings are very, very powerful predictive tools. Why they work is well known, however grin

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Les United States Posted on 06/11/2004 at 02:33 PM

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Thanks for the belly laugh, Neeta. I can almost imagine you saying that with a straight face.  LOL

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Last_Hussar Great Britain (UK) Posted on 03/08/2008 at 08:55 PM

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Astrology- long time no see.

but just about to the second on your birth.  If you don’t have that info, she doesn’t do a reading for you.

She doesn’t do any then, as no one knows the precise second.  I assume this is a joke.

How come astrologers never ask which way your mother was pointing at the time of birth? Surely the gravity would be coming from the other end if she had her head up the other end.  And why is it the point that the cord is cut and official independent life begins- the brain is formed by then.  It would be interesting to find out at what point the cells are ‘set’.

Given that tall buildings can be demonstrated to attract mass- they are big enough to generate their own measurable field does it not make a difference whether you were born in a isolated cottage, or a sky scraper.  How was all this discovered anyway, aside from ‘the ancients were very wise’?

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leguru United States Posted on 03/08/2008 at 10:37 PM

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Elwed: Actually, I prefer warm readings. Uhh - what were we talking about?  LOL

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Debasish India Posted on 04/25/2008 at 09:43 AM

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As far as the experiment of twin birth goes one should study the theory of Krishnamurty Padhatti and will be able to know how the twin will behave diffewrently in their life.

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